so for the last hour for the first time in my life i watched WOW on twitch. i have never played WOW or watched any pvp before because most of you know im a console player and am new to pc.
but after playing and watching Guild Wars 2 i truly and 100% utterly believe Guild Wars 2 is better in every way. the game mode we have is way better the game last longer. its easier to understand whats going on. (could be easier if i played WOW maybe)
why did i watch WOW you might ask. well earlier i played GW2 with a 3000+ in WOW so i just wanted to see why if he is so good at that game why is he here. well now i understand.
my hope for GW2 going Esport just increased 100x
i think the reason i like guild wars 2 so much is my main game i was pro in was Gears Of War and these 2 have the same fill to it.
anyways i dont know what kind of responses i want from this so lets just talk about why there is only 2 mesmers left in the game and 1 million trap rangers please nerf chewbaca on endor
you can say wut ever u want the FACT is WoW 7 yrs later still has more PAYING subscribers than people who have bought GW2.. If gw2 was a p2p they wouldn’t even have half of the users they have now cause the game is a huge flop…
I wouldn’t be too sure about the subscribers rate because most of them just bots or people from cages farming gold to post websites to give ya free gold for lots of money. That’s the where the subscription rate comes from. I mean why not it’s a great deal and no one will ever know because WoW is only $15 a month and to those bots / farmers who sell gold on websites it’s pocket changes. They can purchase as many copies of WoW as long people like us “not me though” buy gold from them etc etc the cycle continues.
i guess the same can be said of gw since on a regular basis i get whisp/emailed ingame by gold sellers. to suggest that a majority of the player base in WoW are farmers is just ridiculous since gold is so easy to farm like 2 yrs back. it still doesnt negate the point that people are still willing to p2p a game 7 yrs old and with a larger player base than gw2 b2p
Well that’s an easy answer because WoW easy to play than it is here in GW2. You can’t tank 30 mobs as a higher level here than you can do in WoW and go afk as a healer because your hp regen high as well. The list will go on between comparing the two game.
the pvp in this game is broken with some classes having waaaay too much advantage in their game mechanics..GW2 has more skill base? u must be trolling
That’s not trolling because that’s fact. You can dodge a fireball attack in here which relies on endurance while in WoW you have use a skill to dodge which last 20 seconds.
uh there are classes soloing dungeons and fractals in gw2 it’s all the same.
and wow requires more skill simply due to mmr and ranking.
You know what I’m not going to argue with ya since you truly think that. It seems you have a hate towards GW2 anyway so whatever people say about WoW you’ll be there to defend in a heartbeat.
there’s nothing to argue. there is no skill based ranking or matchmaking in this game. lol, wow sc etc all require more .
and yes ignore certain classes soloing end gsme fractals and dungeons lol. I dont remember anyone soloing heroic 5 mans in wow back when I played.
so for the last hour for the first time in my life i watched WOW on twitch. i have never played WOW or watched any pvp before because most of you know im a console player and am new to pc.
but after playing and watching Guild Wars 2 i truly and 100% utterly believe Guild Wars 2 is better in every way. the game mode we have is way better the game last longer. its easier to understand whats going on. (could be easier if i played WOW maybe)
why did i watch WOW you might ask. well earlier i played GW2 with a 3000+ in WOW so i just wanted to see why if he is so good at that game why is he here. well now i understand.
my hope for GW2 going Esport just increased 100x
i think the reason i like guild wars 2 so much is my main game i was pro in was Gears Of War and these 2 have the same fill to it.
anyways i dont know what kind of responses i want from this so lets just talk about why there is only 2 mesmers left in the game and 1 million trap rangers please nerf chewbaca on endor
you can say wut ever u want the FACT is WoW 7 yrs later still has more PAYING subscribers than people who have bought GW2.. If gw2 was a p2p they wouldn’t even have half of the users they have now cause the game is a huge flop…
I wouldn’t be too sure about the subscribers rate because most of them just bots or people from cages farming gold to post websites to give ya free gold for lots of money. That’s the where the subscription rate comes from. I mean why not it’s a great deal and no one will ever know because WoW is only $15 a month and to those bots / farmers who sell gold on websites it’s pocket changes. They can purchase as many copies of WoW as long people like us “not me though” buy gold from them etc etc the cycle continues.
i guess the same can be said of gw since on a regular basis i get whisp/emailed ingame by gold sellers. to suggest that a majority of the player base in WoW are farmers is just ridiculous since gold is so easy to farm like 2 yrs back. it still doesnt negate the point that people are still willing to p2p a game 7 yrs old and with a larger player base than gw2 b2p
Well that’s an easy answer because WoW easy to play than it is here in GW2. You can’t tank 30 mobs as a higher level here than you can do in WoW and go afk as a healer because your hp regen high as well. The list will go on between comparing the two game.
the pvp in this game is broken with some classes having waaaay too much advantage in their game mechanics..GW2 has more skill base? u must be trolling
That’s not trolling because that’s fact. You can dodge a fireball attack in here which relies on endurance while in WoW you have use a skill to dodge which last 20 seconds.
uh there are classes soloing dungeons and fractals in gw2 it’s all the same.
and wow requires more skill simply due to mmr and ranking.
They shouldn’t be deleted from the game at all, it takes any skilled player a matter of seconds to decipher the player from the clones. Also, in regards to beating them, I find AOE attacks and just being patient to find the right target is crucial to beating them.
Unless I’m running a staff ele..I have stopped trying to beat a good mesmer at mele range(d/d), it’s pointless to try to catch him , easy to recognize the true mesmer but between phase retreat and clones which apply cripple on explosion, you won’t be able to catch him, also always because of phase retreat any kind of CC it’s pointless as they teleport away every 8s( treated).
a dd ele complaining about mesmer mobility? hahahahahaha
What mobility got to do with fightning the mesmer? Can’t you read?
oh I can read and I read you saying a mesmer is impossible to catch as a dd ele. then I laughed.
They shouldn’t be deleted from the game at all, it takes any skilled player a matter of seconds to decipher the player from the clones. Also, in regards to beating them, I find AOE attacks and just being patient to find the right target is crucial to beating them.
Unless I’m running a staff ele..I have stopped trying to beat a good mesmer at mele range(d/d), it’s pointless to try to catch him , easy to recognize the true mesmer but between phase retreat and clones which apply cripple on explosion, you won’t be able to catch him, also always because of phase retreat any kind of CC it’s pointless as they teleport away every 8s( treated).
a dd ele complaining about mesmer mobility? hahahahahaha
Once you fail in the eyes of the mmorpg player he wont come back trust me……first impression is the most important otherwise they will go back to their old mmorpg again. I am quite dissapointed ANET didnt focus on pvp while they were doing everything for pve players. My friendlist went down from 30 online to 3 or 5 players online so my friends left to WOW and so I left also….just to play with them and I have fun I didnt have in GW2 for month…
They’ll be back later to see how the game is when pvp has more features and balance etc. Mainly because this game doesn’t have a subscription fee.
no they wont. there are many games out there that failed in the eyes of players and subsequently went F2P and fixed many issues and made the game better, but people still didn’t bother going back. None of those saw any major population influx despite making major positive changes and being free. GW2 is also not truly F2P. New players still will be required to pay box cost which not many will do strictly for pvp when there are many more popular pvp games out there that are 100% free.
mmo players are unlike any others i have seen in the gaming world. If first impression fails, it’s game over.
Say what you want about WoW but if you played it for the PvP you would know it rewards skill and team work you cannot advance in the ratings unless you win against other high rated teams lose and you drop rating.
I dont know what the game is like now but I played it from launch into being a top rated arena player for years. GW2 is a wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy behind on skill based pvp sadly Anet seems like they want the games pvp to die they are sticking to the farm based system for PvP. I just dont understand what they are thinking, who are they listening too what ‘pvpers’ are telling them the QP system is fine? The people that like the QP system dont like real competition just garbage farmers.
The WvW is not even as good as DAoC, DAoC had points you could earn only by doing RvR to buy pvp skills for classes improving their power.
No long term rewards for WvW zero rewards for Tpvp or even a basic ladder/ranking system = a slow death in what could of been a great pvp MMO.
rewards ruin pvp. rewards that have stats ruin pvp even more so.
why do you need rewards? can’t you just pvp because it’s fun?
oh, and I played dark age. I hated it. wvw is one hundred times more fun.
that’s why they are adding rewards and progression to wvw right?
Say what you want about WoW but if you played it for the PvP you would know it rewards skill and team work you cannot advance in the ratings unless you win against other high rated teams lose and you drop rating.
I dont know what the game is like now but I played it from launch into being a top rated arena player for years. GW2 is a wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy behind on skill based pvp sadly Anet seems like they want the games pvp to die they are sticking to the farm based system for PvP. I just dont understand what they are thinking, who are they listening too what ‘pvpers’ are telling them the QP system is fine? The people that like the QP system dont like real competition just garbage farmers.
The WvW is not even as good as DAoC, DAoC had points you could earn only by doing RvR to buy pvp skills for classes improving their power.
No long term rewards for WvW zero rewards for Tpvp or even a basic ladder/ranking system = a slow death in what could of been a great pvp MMO.
i cant wait for a rating system and a flood of great players and the dissaperence of QP points.
nobody is coming back sorry bro. I know this is your first pc game but mmo players rarely return to a game that fails so hard and takes too long to fix.
I don’t think he means needing a prize, he says “feels alot more rewarding”, some gameplay can feel more rewarding than others, e.g – gameplay with instagibbing, that is simplistic, spammy, etc can feel cheap, one dimensional and unrewarding.
exactly what i meant :-3
playing the same game mode over and over to get a millimeter of a bar of “rank” which will lead to 9 more bars before finally you get a couple more sets of armor,
its not about prizes but it currently feels entirely unrewarding,
to put it in perspective, its like the scene in Labyrinth where she’s running down the corridor and the end of the corridor just keeps getting further and further as she runs.
if they’d give us the ability to buy ALL armor (for increasingly higher glory costs based on appearance) we’d have goals, something to aim for, not the endless corridor or rank farming.
ok got ya. but have you seen the QP ladder bored isnt that the only rewarding thing you need to work for?
yet gw2 has about the amount of active pvpers as wow has on 1 server
Using population numbers to draw some sort of qualitative comparison judgement is not the best route for argumentation though admittedly the easiest within the frame of one sentence.
I loved playing WoW’s PvP on my mage and rogue since vanilla where PvPers had to scrap the bottom of the barrel so harshly their fingers would fill with splinters. It was fun which is kept me playing for so long, but WoW remains a PvE focused game. GW2 will continue a similar legacy if the much touted features don’t amount to much.
lol this game sold multi millions and cant even get 40 people to queue for tournament outside a 3 hour window. its a joke. knock wow pvp all you want it’s fun and has more options and gearing is not that big of a hurdle and I dont even play wow.
WoW pvp actually is terrible. I was watching I think it was a Blizz con, and between SC matches I checked out some WoW arena pvp. It was truly stupid. The match lasted something like 10-15 minutes, team death match, and literally not a single person died during that time. At the end, they had to decide the winner by which team did the most damage. Boring to watch, kitten gameplay.
thats good 10-15 min. from what i watched today it was 2-3 min everyone was ranked like 2700 or something and they were such defeatists. the second they seen the opponets they would say we lost they are kfc or we win they have blah blah blah. i would never play a game were i knew i was going in to lose with no chance.
gw2 would be even worse if they added death matches. 3 ele gg we lose. this whole thread is funny you would pick the game that you play and desperately want to be popular but never will be over a game you have never played and cant follow.
Correct, the lobbies themselves are not merged, they only meet up when you go to play. You can still invite people across lobbies for games as long as they’re on your server though (Na or Eu).
I’m on Stormbluff now, and people are coming in/out of paids.
Don’t you see the problem with that?
Because Heart of the Mists are not merged, it is difficult for players to find and set up teams. If the lobbies were merged between Homeworlds, people can organize together more easily.
Totally see your point, I’m just explaining how it works so that everyone understands.
We have solutions to this coming down the pipe.
what is the solution? or another awesome thing you cant tell us about? just merge all hotms already
pvp community is tiny bro and most casuals can’t finish monthly anymore because they dont bother with tournaments. and like I said many casuals do have tickets but just got bored of getting stomped so they are back to hot join since free tournament doesnt pop outside of primetime since patch.
if they added mmr they would want feedback not secretly patch it lol. use your brain
dont think so theere was no patch and they wouldn’t keep it secret. what is happening is all the bad teams are tired of getting rolled or out of tickets, hence longer queues and better competition.
no need for custom just add ranking and match making. and anyone could see this problem coming. I posted about it a couple times. just a bunch of pugs with tickets saved up queuing
They care more about making this a competitive game than you realize. Also, just because they don’t make everything public does not mean they aren’t doing anything.
releasing pvp in the state it was/is while trolling the e-sport promise and when its ready pre-release tag line dont really jive with caring more than we realize.
people have been requesting basic features since beta 1 that still aren’t here.
QP is nothing but a time played stat and should be removed once they add proper ranks. Just add a minimum weekly game requirement (something low like 10/week like WoW arena) and base the “tournaments” on rank only.
It would not do any justice if a team that is 40-0 against top teams does not make the cut because a bunch of 300-100 teams have more QP.
it was a way to bring people to pvp to do daily and get a laurel who otherwise wouldnt
No thanks. Keep PvE and sPvP separate. That’s the whole point of GW2, btw.
like others said dyes/mini pets/skins are not PvE only. Why reward gems for pvp when 99% of what you can use for gems is PvE only and the other 1% the people winning gems don’t need.
so doesnt seem like this brought many people back, just made those still here a little happier, was queued for free tourney this morning for 45 min and no pop :/
The reason because this is happening, could be the seperated server-regions between NA and EU. In GW1 there were all put together. So you got all the time matches. Now if you wanna play after 2 am or during the morning you probably get no teams, because there is no ppl from Asia or America that fill this time-space.
sorry but if there arent 40 people in the NA region that want to do free tourney at any hour of the day there are bigger problems. I could get 15v15 port scion match in Rift during any hour and that wasnt even region wide.
so doesnt seem like this brought many people back, just made those still here a little happier, was queued for free tourney this morning for 45 min and no pop :/
But why would someone who plays only sPvP need anything with laurels?
Because maybe, just maybe, people enjoy more than one aspect of this diverse video game? WHODUHTHUNKIT!!!!!!
But you didn’t answer my question…This is only a problem if someone only sPvPs. If you play other aspects of the game, you’ll get that daily pretty easily. And if you only sPvP, you have no need for laurels.
dyes and pets are PvE only items?
Also if you participate in multiple aspects of the game you should be rewarded more than someone who only participates in one aspect of the game. If I do there dailies (PvE, PvP, WvW) i should get more than someone only doing 1, no? If you don’t like pvp you just skip that daily, so what is the harm?
Adding laurel to pvp daily has no downside, it gets more people to try pvp and possibly get hooked to something they may not have tried otherwise, just like many people became hooked on WvW from doing map completion and jump puzzles.
they already reward gems for tournament players which is a PvE currency, so why not laurels for daily?
im guessing you are the same people who complain about wvw map completion and dying in jumping puzzles. the more the cross sell other aspects of rhe game the better imo. how does some one earning laurels from pvp hurt anyone?
Alienate? laurels have nothing to do with spvp, so why should the spvp dailies reward them? They aren’t alienating anything. The rewards reflect the content you do. You don’t see pve players getting pvp rewards for stuff they do, do you? no, you don’t. Oh further alienate pve players why don’t you. See how silly that is?
you get gems for winning paids you know which are used for gold and items that only affect pve. see how silly what?
the thing is the pvp population is very small and dying so I thought this was a good idea on their part to get more people to pvp and also reward those who invest time in both aspects of the game rather than making them fall behind.
1v1 paid with ranking/match making
1v1 solo/duo queue with ranking/match making
hot join
tournament at end of week/month/year based on rank only
get rid of tickets and get rid of QP, with a proper ranking / match making system tickets and QP serve no purpose. (we know you want to make money off tickets, but just drop it already)
Just dont play paids for 7 days.
Its ridiculous because its a simple ticket-sink at the moment.
You can obtain a ticket every day with daily PvP…not so hard to obtain tickets -_-
one ticket, you will eventually run out of tickets unless you only lose 1 game every 3 days. At which point teams will be back to farming pugs in frees for tickets. With no match making only top teams will carry a good win rate. Most teams have probably already lost 30+ tickets since patch went live, again, thanks to lack of match making/rankings.
when i solo queue free tournament and actually get a 5 man team, but then the game usually ends up vs some premade that should be doing paids but can’t so then someone quits and it ends up 4 or 3 v 5.
imbalanced down states were brought up in the 1st sotg with the pvp dev and they havent done anything about it. problem with pvp now is they have so many huge issues to address (ranking, match making, etc.) that i think balance changes and class changes are going to take a back seat while they bleed subs.
There just aren’t enough players (right now) to spread around.
Having random vs. random as it’s own bracket would stress an already shrunken population.
I know some people don’t like it when other games are given as an example, but I think it’s fair to look at games which have found that a certain model works. If you are familiar with the process of LoL becoming popular the turning point was the implementation of solo queue and matchmaking. It was after the proper implementation of those things that LoL started to grow fast. Of course Riot invested a lot of money into the tournaments later on, but the initial surge of players came before that. Even today solo/duo queue is the most popular mode, despite there being several other modes, too. Everyone who is streaming LoL is streaming solo queue.
I actually think that solo queue is going to help this game a lot rather than making it worse. Players who only want to practice as teams will get some actual practice against other teams instead of just rolling pugs and barely learning anything from it then going to paids get rolled there and come back to beating pugs in frees. It’s a vicious cycle, which isn’t fun for anyone.
It’s extremely frustrating for pugs to be playing against a team that has voice communication and synchronized builds. It puts off a lot of people from ever trying out tournaments again. And they are left with the horrendous hotjoins which will eventually bore you to death and force you to stop playing altogether. People who wish to play solo or with a friend are the majority. There are people who just don’t want the hassle of being part of a team and organize to play together at certain times. People who just want to play without feeling committed to a team. The casuals must be taken care of or this game will keep going downhill.
I understand that separating pre mades and pugs will initially make the waiting time for team queues longer, but quite frankly it needs to be done in order to give this game a chance to grow. Otherwise people will keep leaving until free tournaments become as dead as paid.
This, at least is an argument, with some fair points. However.
What about teams of 2-4 ppl. My guild often Ques with 3 or 4 of us. Thats a partial premade, where do we end up.
i dont think this patch is gonna have any balance/pvp except for the single match thing. the rest of the patch is just going to be the pve fire/frost stuff
Right, and all I’m saying is, if solo que gets implemented I won’t be able to pug free tournaments with a friend or two, we’d always have to have a full team because no one would solo que team Free Tournaments, everyone would soloque Solo ques :/
team v team would basically be like paid.. for elite teams only, and paid would never pop ever.
I’m not saying your ideas are bad, they’re just really inconvenient to me personally and although I can’t speak for a majority I think some people like to duo/tri que and others like to que with meshwork teams.
why wont you? every other pvp game worth a crap has solo/duo queue system. what people are asking for is a solo/duo queue system for tournament (or ideally scrap the stupid tournament mode and go single match with match making / ranking) If its you and a friend you join the solo/duo tournament mode. if it’s you + 2 friends you join the premade tournament mode. That’s how other games do it. The problem with GW2 is the casual population is horribly low that unless they just drop the tournament system and switch to single match they are going to have problems.
since you seem to be new to pvp games ill break it down for you. this is how they should have done it from the start.
hot join (leave as is
solo/duo queue – single match, 5v5, matches teams based on rank
premade queue – single match, 5v5, matches team based on rank
tournament – at end of week/month/year/etc teams ranked top X get placed into tournament. winner gets reward. they can then expand upon that and create multiple tournaments with lesser rewards for the lower tier players. like gold tournament, silver tournament, bronze tournament, etc.
if paids arent popping teams that normally do paid are doing frees and facing pugs many matches, that should never happen, ever in any pvp game.
This thread pops up quite frequently…. so my response may seem a little harsh but you don’t actually want a response you want people to agree with you, you should have put it into suggestions.
This is a team game, if you don’t want to play a team game you might want to start playing wuvwuv instead.
Yes a team is required if you want to win free-tournys consistently,
because the meta is tryhards..
It’s very easy to get into a team, you send people tells they send you tells back, or you spam your 5-6 guilds “LF1M for tourny” .
QQing isn’t going to fix anything, go out and interact with people…
bro are you serious? does anet pay you? you keep posting the same garbage over and over . my friends list went from 30 to 0 of pvp only players. why? because this game offers kitten for mid level players. the sooner you realize this the sooner you will stop posting this game is great nonsense.
tldr for the dense and blind. people dont want to have to spam tells to ranom people to be able to enjoy matchea with equally skilled players if they did the pvp population wouldnt be on the verge of death.
Make a list of your five favorite things in Guild Wars 1. Remember that the original game launched in, what, April 2005? Now go look up when your favorite thing came out.
Bet you at least 3 of them were a year or two after launch.
Some of the great features take time to get in. Remember that.
if they were people’s favorite things not putting them in at launch of a new game where you already have that knowledge is just dumb amd there’s no excuse for it. if it took one car developer 2 years to add air bags is it ok for the other cars to take an additional two years? no. you release eith what the competition has or fail (like pvp in gw2 is)
cant wait tell the 28th im really excited about 1 team v 1 team. paids pooping all day is gonna be great lets just hope every class can make multiple builds and be viable in it.
they wont be popping all day. without matchmaking lower tier teams will inevitably face elite teams with the randomness and be forced to farm tickets or just give up.
where did they say the balance patch was 28th? All i have seen is they are looking at bunker/aoe with no ETA mentioned. They said they were looking at bunkers during the first pvp SOTG stream as well and havent touched them.
I am looking forward to any intelligent opinions and commentary that come out of this.
Thank goodness the PvP community is represented by the top teams in these dialogues and not the forum criers that patrol threads like this and share their frustrations about how they shouldn’t have to L2P.
yea because the devs and pros have really created a casual friendly game that is growing in population every day with all the great changes they have developed through their discussions. /facepalm
if devs and elite fanbois knew what was best there would be no such thing as a failed MMO.
1. When will they fix tournaments starting without 5 people?
2. When will they add solo queue option for single match games?
3. When will they add punishment for people who quit tournament matches?
4. What is ETA on new game modes? This year?
there is a place for hot join, maybe like 10 servers to literally jump in test a build, jump out, but the overwhelming majority of casual pvp should be like every other game
-queue for SINGLE GAME map of choice (NO ROTATION)
-queue pops when both sides have 3 people (or whatever # is appropriate)
-game starts and continues to fill until both teams hit 5 or 8.
- game plays until end, if someone quits they get 30 min debuff and it puts priority to fill that spot over a game that hasn’t started.
- increase bonus for winning 10 fold
man even rift added two new maps (with different play styles) in addition to adding two variable game modes to two existing maps (on top of the 4 maps/game modes they had at release), all prior to their first expansion.
