Guild Wars 2

gw2 is three games in one. pve and wvw are doing fine. spvp is a massive failure. I can get less than 5 minute queues in rift in the 50-54 brackets so not sure what your point was. spvp has the least amount of players who spend no money on the cash shop and in turn the least amount of devs. can spvp get better? sure in two more years at best when nobody plays. there priority is still leaderboards and custom servers. yet we still get 4v5 matches regularly and there is not enough players for a solo queue. gg

cost to “rent”?

oh look another sataar thread turned in to trolling and kittening. Please lock/ban him yet again.

whining about whining, lolz

if Anet really cared about spvp they would invest more people/time/effort to it, it’s blatantly obvious to any non-fanboi that sPvP is the 3rd tier compared to PvE and WvW based on dev support and straight up player population.

But hey, keep dreaming QT. You sound just like every other fanboi trying to keep the peace as their ship goes down in flames. I could copy paste a similar post from pretty much every past failure from Warhammer to AOC to SWTOR. “dont be mean to the devs, give them time, it will get better” lol no.

Can you blame them though? They have hundreds of thousands of people enjoying PvE and WvW vs a few thousand who take spvp seriously. Why should they bother? Spvpers don’t spend money.

I’m on blackgate and the starter zones are rather dead, is there a go to server to guest on for leveling an alt?

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

edited so i dont get a infraction. just know teams are playing hard now to build ratings for a reason.

im no longer replying to ppl if they are negative.

the guy who is constantly banned from the forums calling other people negative, irony.

mbh.8301:

Sprawl.3891:

mbh.8301:

Well, they have twice as many mesmers so they definitely have the leg up there. If you can get one of the warriors to hold aggro I think you can pull it off.

we all just afk’d

Dishonorable!

dont worry custom servers are a priority though!

mbh.8301:

Well, they have twice as many mesmers so they definitely have the leg up there. If you can get one of the warriors to hold aggro I think you can pull it off.

we all just afk’d

Working as intended amiright Anet?

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

Sprawl.3891:

EoNxBoNx.9213:

Sprawl.3891:

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

A date is not mentioned as you can read (obviously a troll here). But they called it to be on top of their priority list. And now pls tell me why a leaderboard is not visible for you?
Today must be troll day in the forums…god

heh, this your first pvp game? Leaderboard = rank. Rank =/ Rating.

All this sounds like to me is you will see who is ranked 1-100 but that’s all.

You won’t know what the actual rating is for anyone. So someone who is rank 100 will have no clue how far they are from rank 1 without visible rating, which is never mentioned in the article.

i.e in WoW they had leaderboard (you are rank 9) and visible rating (2395 personal rating) so you could see ok, rank 1 is 2400 i’m only 5 points away. Having a leaderboard without visible rating is lame and lazy.

We also still have no clue how rating is even calculated if it is not a straight up skill based rating and has a time played variable it will be even lamer. Based on what we have seen so far with “paid” systems and QPs I have absolutely zero faith this will be a legit ranking system.

What do you think the rankings of the leaderboard is going to be based off of? Glory Rank? No. QPs? No. It is going to be based off of rating, while it probably wont be visible, in this march patch, leaderboards also might not come out with the March patch.

There is no established date to release leaderboards so it could come in an April Patch, and then they might make ratings visible. Makes sense to me, they do that all in the same.

that’s my point there is no details and it’s all speculation and sataar saying they promised leaderboards before march patch is just trolling and living in his imaginary world like usual

i never said they promised. its ppl like you who make it so they can never give public information you twist around everything they say and then you get mad if its not exactly when you imagined it would be.

but i do expect it before the march update and thats the reason we are still playing.

bro you are the one who said they are quoted as saying it would be out before march patch. YOU, you completely made up that quote and im just putting you in your place. all you do is troll and make kitten up. You are the reason for this, not me.

or did you already forget the kitten you made up earlier in this thread here let me re-quote yourself.

we were told that the ratings are being calculated now and “would be visable before the march patch and sooner then expected”

got a link to that made up quote? of course you dont, just like you always post made up stuff like “Anet told me they would post in my thread”, and they never do lol, please get banned again.

EoNxBoNx.9213:

Sprawl.3891:

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

A date is not mentioned as you can read (obviously a troll here). But they called it to be on top of their priority list. And now pls tell me why a leaderboard is not visible for you?
Today must be troll day in the forums…god

heh, this your first pvp game? Leaderboard = rank. Rank =/ Rating.

All this sounds like to me is you will see who is ranked 1-100 but that’s all.

You won’t know what the actual rating is for anyone. So someone who is rank 100 will have no clue how far they are from rank 1 without visible rating, which is never mentioned in the article.

i.e in WoW they had leaderboard (you are rank 9) and visible rating (2395 personal rating) so you could see ok, rank 1 is 2400 i’m only 5 points away. Having a leaderboard without visible rating is lame and lazy.

We also still have no clue how rating is even calculated if it is not a straight up skill based rating and has a time played variable it will be even lamer. Based on what we have seen so far with “paid” systems and QPs I have absolutely zero faith this will be a legit ranking system.

What do you think the rankings of the leaderboard is going to be based off of? Glory Rank? No. QPs? No. It is going to be based off of rating, while it probably wont be visible, in this march patch, leaderboards also might not come out with the March patch.

There is no established date to release leaderboards so it could come in an April Patch, and then they might make ratings visible. Makes sense to me, they do that all in the same.

that’s my point there is no details and it’s all speculation and sataar saying they promised leaderboards before march patch is just trolling and living in his imaginary world like usual

Valkyriez.6578:

Balance is subjective, and is t that high of a priority IMO because you can never please everyone nor count for skill gaps.

Ladder is coming: http://www.gamebreaker.tv/mmorpg/guild-wars-2-getting-in-game-leaderboards/

I would expect the initial roll out pretty soon.

like i said in the other thread this does not mention visible personal ratings, just a rank 1-100 leaderboard.

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

A date is not mentioned as you can read (obviously a troll here). But they called it to be on top of their priority list. And now pls tell me why a leaderboard is not visible for you?
Today must be troll day in the forums…god

heh, this your first pvp game? Leaderboard = rank. Rank =/ Rating.

All this sounds like to me is you will see who is ranked 1-100 but that’s all.

You won’t know what the actual rating is for anyone. So someone who is rank 100 will have no clue how far they are from rank 1 without visible rating, which is never mentioned in the article.

i.e in WoW they had leaderboard (you are rank 9) and visible rating (2395 personal rating) so you could see ok, rank 1 is 2400 i’m only 5 points away. Having a leaderboard without visible rating is lame and lazy.

We also still have no clue how rating is even calculated if it is not a straight up skill based rating and has a time played variable it will be even lamer. Based on what we have seen so far with “paid” systems and QPs I have absolutely zero faith this will be a legit ranking system.

when will 4v5 be fixed, i and many other solo queueres quit until its fixed

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

http://www.gamebreaker.tv/mmorpg/guild-wars-2-getting-in-game-leaderboards/

Dunno why they don’t post this here in the forums, where ppl can see it.

nothing in that says it will be ready before the march patch. sataar just trolling as usual. all it says is rolled out in stages as part of its own update and “soon”.

It also says nothing about VISIBLE ratings and just that it will be a top 100 leaderboard.

Khalifahaze.6045:

Defyx.3956:

Khalifa i’m interested in you 30 points in soul reaping for you terror build, could you explain what trait you picked and why ? Maybe for the 3s stab ?

This is one area where I feel a lot of necros go wrong. You will almost never see a condi necro not take the 30 pt trait in curses for 33% increased condi duration. Most people believe this to be a vital part of a condi build and any build that doesn’t use it is garbage. In my opinion this could not be more untrue. While that trait is nice for your bleeds to last longer making it easier to stack it is very far from necessary. I almost never take it in my condi builds. I feel as a whole 30 pts in SR for 3 sec stab is much more important.

Necro is almost always the first target to be focused in tpvp. This is why you need to focus on being able to survive rather that doing a little bit more damage with increased condi duration. Being able to shroud stomp/rez is incredibly important in tpvp and without stability it is very hard to do. Also the fact that you will be able to anticipate CC and pop in and out of DS so that the enemy does not cc chain you into burst dmg.

This is why I feel my build is much more successful with 30 pts into SR. I know many people will disagree with it, but being able to nullify CC will allow you to put out more damage in the larger picture.

can u link ur condi build?

NevirSayDie.6235:

Sprawl.3891:

Evan Lesh.3295:

aaron.7850:

reading areanent’s replies here is disheartening.. its like they walk one step foward and two steps backwards

It just makes our next step that much bigger :P. Honestly, its great to really get to the exact root of problems in a constructive way so we don’t implement features that only half solve the issue.

50% of my games are 5v4 as solo queuer and you wonder why pvp in this game is a joke lol, but hai gaiz letz make custom servers a priority for the 3 elite teams that still play this kittenty game.

50% seems a bit high, unless you’re playing at like 7:30 in the morning. I haven’t seen nearly as many 4v5s in 2-team solo join, compared to the old frees, which really were almost 50% 4v5.

played 4 games during primetime, 2 were 4v5, not even gonna bother playing anymore until it’s fixed, cya.

Evan Lesh.3295:

aaron.7850:

reading areanent’s replies here is disheartening.. its like they walk one step foward and two steps backwards

It just makes our next step that much bigger :P. Honestly, its great to really get to the exact root of problems in a constructive way so we don’t implement features that only half solve the issue.

50% of my games are 5v4 as solo queuer and you wonder why pvp in this game is a joke lol, but hai gaiz letz make custom servers a priority for the 3 elite teams that still play this kittenty game.

Evan Lesh.3295:

First, we need to solve the problem of people leaving before the game begins, its simply a flaw in our roster design. Then we need to determine a suitable punishment for people who leave during a match, and do not return.

On top of these, it sounds like some people are describing a bug forcing 4v5’s. We do not know what would be causing this or whether it is a new problem or not. It’s hard to tell when there are multiple ways a team could be missing members.

To clarify, bugs take higher priority over features like custom arenas. However a punishment system is a feature that takes considerable more time, and must be weighed against our current features plans. We always have the option to re-prioritize just like we did with matchmaking.

the issue is punishment system should have been in game AT RELEASE.

“when it’s ready”
“when it’s ready”
“when it’s ready”

kitten aint ready. you are basically saying tough kitten to solo queuers who are fed up with 5v4 and 5v3 matches.

Evan Lesh.3295:

Sprawl.3891:

you think? of course that is one of the problems, the other is people joining and seeing they are on a full pug and facing a full premade and quitting, or seeing they are on a 5v4 and quitting, making it 5v3. And since you don’t punish them what do they lose? the invisible rating they don’t care about? They log-off for 10 mins avoid a spawn camp stomping then log back in.

Learn from Rift, if you get DC’d their system gives you short amount of time to re-boot/log back in and puts you in the same warfront you were in. If you don’t log back in quickly it fills the spot with a new player and when that person eventually does log back in they have a 30-min deserter debuff and can’t queue for pvp. I’m guessing just another thing your system isn’t built to do.

If someone is constantly DC’ing due to crappy ISP or quitting without leaving their roster they should be punished and stick to hotjoin rather than making 4 people suffer a curb stomping 5v4 matchup.

The sad thing is this has been an issue basically since release and doesn’t sound like you have any fixes in the works. Like i said in another thread this is something Rift did a hotfix for shortly after release. And I only use Rift as an example because it was one of the more recently released mmos. pretty much every other mmo pvp also has quitter debuffs/penalties.

The two problems deserve different solutions. If a player is in queue for a bit, but needs to log off to do something else, that player shouldn’t be punished because they didn’t leave the roster first. This is a completely fixable problem. Punishing people who knowingly dodge is a much more difficult problem.

why is it so difficult yet every other game has a deserter penalty? If you log off once you have been put into a match you have 1-2 min to log back in, if not game fills spot with another solo queuer and the person that didn’t log back in quick enough gets a 30-minute quitter debuff and can’t join any pvp until it’s up. Rift does this, WoW does this, Warhammer did it, etc.

I don’t even bother playing this game anymore because as a solo queuer more of my matches are 5v4 than 5v5.

Evan Lesh.3295:

We think one problem is that people join into a roster, then before the match is ready, quit the game. Disconnecting does not remove you from the roster, so the game starts and finishes like nothing happened. A lot of these 4v5 games could be completely unintentional from the person leaving. Solving this is a technical issue. We could kick you out of the roster if you disconnect, but you should still be able to switch characters before the match starts.

you think? of course that is one of the problems, the other is people joining and seeing they are on a full pug and facing a full premade and quitting, or seeing they are on a 5v4 and quitting, making it 5v3. And since you don’t punish them what do they lose? the invisible rating they don’t care about? They log-off for 10 mins avoid a spawn camp stomping then log back in.

Learn from Rift, if you get DC’d their system gives you short amount of time to re-boot/log back in and puts you in the same warfront you were in. If you don’t log back in quickly it fills the spot with a new player and when that person eventually does log back in they have a 30-min deserter debuff and can’t queue for pvp. I’m guessing just another thing your system isn’t built to do.

If someone is constantly DC’ing due to crappy ISP or quitting without leaving their roster they should be punished and stick to hotjoin rather than making 4 people suffer a curb stomping 5v4 matchup.

The sad thing is this has been an issue basically since release and doesn’t sound like you have any fixes in the works. Like i said in another thread this is something Rift did a hotfix for shortly after release. And I only use Rift as an example because it was one of the more recently released mmos. pretty much every other mmo pvp also has quitter debuffs/penalties.

Evan Lesh.3295:

We’re definitely listening. I like these ideas a lot. Custom Arenas will still be used to fill the role of hot-join. They won’t all be password protected, and people who just want to jump into a game are still going to do that. We’re curious to see how the population shifts now that the tournament formats are changing.

when are you going to fix matches starting 5v4 or 5v3? Nobody on your team seems to want to respond to this major issue.

Hi Tyler when do you expect to hot fix 5v4 matching so solo players stop quitting the game?

Quite a joke that after six months they still don’t have a proper system that penalizes quitters and finds a replacement for your team. Pretty sure rift hot fixed a deserter debuff shortly after release.

I tried out the patch and had a 4v5 in my third match and just called it a night and won’t be back.

Samhayn.2385:

WvW necro here and I use axe/focus and I tear it up. Yes axe one is meh but everything else is good. Plus the longer duration on Vuln let’s you keep more stacks on a target when you use axe 2. You do need to build around useing axe and know that your not a burst spec like dagger so you need to have defense. If you go all burst with axe you will get killed because you can not get the same damage out of axe that you can dagger.

you can “tear up” using any build in wvw, it’s just a massive zerg fest vs mostly up-leveld players.

Whoever they have secretly testing patches before live needs to be removed and replaced with players who are not yes men idiots. How these garbage patches and maps keep making it to live is beyond me. Better yet add a public test server so they stop releasing such massive fails.

Jpeters: so alpha testers who do you like the new map?

alpha tester: oh yes mas’a this map is great mas’a, so much fun dont remove our alpha privileges please sir

jpeters: great sounds good, how do you feel about the ele adjustments?

alpha tester: oh sir, they are great sir i agree that RTL is what made mages op, thank you mas’a

jpeters: how do you feel about bunkers and aoe, are they ok?

alpha tester: oh yes sir they are great, we love aoe and bunkers they are so fun to play mas’a sir

He tried so hard
And got so far
But in the end
It doesnt even matter
He had to fall
To lose it all
But in the end
It doesnt even matter

funny thing is paids were working in pre-release betas, so i wouldnt even add that to the list as live development

Maylojager.1307:

Sprawl.3891:

i was just in pug vs pug. my team r 29, r12, r1 (no joke), r15, r17 other team r25-37 GG

That r1 was the best r1 in the whole universe and 12 with 15 were better than average r80. Rank doesn’t matter, does it ?

The rank 1 had 10 points at the end and was asking what combos were. One of the guys was an anet dev too hammamond or something. Of course even he was mute.

daydream.2938:

How can they fix players deciding to quit after getting a match pop.
This is largely a human behavior problem, its difficult to code around that.

you ban them from pvp for 30min to 1 hour like every other kittening game does

back to rift, bye.

seriously fix this kittening kitten

i was just in pug vs pug. my team r 29, r12, r1 (no joke), r15, r17 other team r25-37 GG

condiments.8043:

Fernling.1729:

playandchill.3908:

Gilgamesh.2561:

Godly Black Ownage.4902:

Oh, people still play this game?? You guys really believe that anet is capable of fixing the game?? The fact is they cant, its funny how history repeats itself….just look at Guild Wars 1.Nuff said…. Amen!!

Go back to WoW.

I did.

Bye

Funny enough, I did too. GW2 made me appreciate WoW pvp.

As bad as some of these patchnotes are….you actually LIKE getting CC’d/rooted/stunned every couple of seconds?

what game are you talking about cuz i get cc/chilled/knocked back constantly in GW2

anyone love how they made it seem like they added a solo queue system, but really just added a button to queue yourself solo only to play vs premades like usual.

Lol at buffing minions when the ai is the worst in mmo history

Wait so that’s all we get in the patch is a system roll back? It would help if you provided, you know, details.

ColinJohanson.2394:

Since the actual question was never quoted, which is always fun if you’re going to get called on something, I’ll clarify for you as mentioned in another thread:

Yeah just for clarity, someone asked about balancing various under-used weapons and said something about “dual pistol mesmer” as an example, I figured that’s what he calls off-hand pistol and answered using the same verbiage asked. I’ve found travelling abroad, as well as across the fan base everyone uses different terms for part of the game, people still ask me all the time about our quest system for example, it’s easier to just respond with the terms they use so they understand.

I’m well aware mesmers can’t dual-wield pistols, we’ve only been working on it for 6 years now If there was double-pistols, my Mesmer would whoop you in PvP with them though, just sayin.

Off to play my double-pistol Warrior!

Ok so you play but said conditions would be too powerful with infinite stacking yet players have shown conditions actually do less damage than burst over time regardless of a cap

Bro if only I could tell you how wrong you are but I can’t yet but it’s exciting. I will give you a Blogger of how wrong you are, which is complete, but needs to be translated so you’ll see it in a month

6 months from now we will get another post that none of their solutions worked but they can’t provide details at this time.

bluewanders.5297:

Distaste.4801:

JonPeters.5630:

Actually this is not true and is something we are actively looking at. We have a number of solutions that we are talking about and when we are able to figure out which one will have the least impact on balance, performance, and testing we will put that solution in place as soon as possible.

Jon

While it’s good to hear you’re doing something…you’re still TALKING about solutions? 6 months this system has been broken, seriously week 1 there were plenty of threads about how condition builds get screwed due to caps. You should be well passed talking about solutions and testing them. And please! For the love of all that’s holy get a PTS server going so we can test this and any other class changes faster as well as make sure your logic isn’t flawed like the current condition system.

Players scream: We have a problem with such and such and 4 months of silence and we just want one word that the devs are aware of this problem and looking for solutions!!!

Dev: Hey… just wanted to let you know that we are aware of this problem, have several solutions in mind and are trying to figure out which one will affect the game the least.

Player screams: That’s not kitten good enough blah blah blah blah blah blah blah and kitten kitten and never make a change that we can’t test first.

I don’t blame them for being more taciturn… doesn’t seem to make any difference at all when they aren’t. Irrationally demanding players are irrationally demanding.

More like 8 months. Been a major issue since beta

Distaste.4801:

JonPeters.5630:

Actually this is not true and is something we are actively looking at. We have a number of solutions that we are talking about and when we are able to figure out which one will have the least impact on balance, performance, and testing we will put that solution in place as soon as possible.

Jon

While it’s good to hear you’re doing something…you’re still TALKING about solutions? 6 months this system has been broken, seriously week 1 there were plenty of threads about how condition builds get screwed due to caps. You should be well passed talking about solutions and testing them. And please! For the love of all that’s holy get a PTS server going so we can test this and any other class changes faster as well as make sure your logic isn’t flawed like the current condition system.

Quaggan back packs and holiday events take priority

It still baffles me that they don’t have a PTS

JonPeters.5630:

Actually this is not true and is something we are actively looking at. We have a number of solutions that we are talking about and when we are able to figure out which one will have the least impact on balance, performance, and testing we will put that solution in place as soon as possible.

Jon

Was his quote true? I’m confused now

OP it’s like what you’re saying. It’s just a re-hash of what we already have. But the current system was initially released “just for testing” so they are re-hashing it as a new feature lol.

Lordrosicky.5813:

Sprawl.3891:

im not an elite player but i haved moved back to rift for good about 3 weeks ago. just no reason to play, nothing to strive for as a solo player and it’s just not fun enough to play same mode over and over. Rift gives me massive customization options with the soul system and lots of maps/styles. Not to mention the devs are actually showing some interest in pvp and really tweaking to make warfronts fun/balanced.

I dunno dude, once you have played gw2 surely its hard to go back to looking at cast bars and basically just managing shortkeys and UI management. Its also hard to go back to a scenario where half the time you just stomp dudes because their gear is horribad….or visa versa

The fundamental core of GW2 is strong. That is why I think, eventually, pvp will be just the best ever.

it’s not hard at all, i actually missed it since there is a higher skill cap. If I miss a key silence i die or target lives. Melee vs ranged is actually fun in kiting vs timing your abilities properly, vs gw2 where everyone just swaps to ranged weapon or has short CD snares or closing abilities. Also the customization is just insane. I can literally switch between a healing bard, a ranged marksman and a stealth sin in the same match, it’s just more “fun”. Also the ability to macro doesn’t make for massive keybind management like WoW.

oh and BIGGER MAPS and targets that die so you can actually find and enjoy 1vX. Downed state is definitley not missed lol. I’ll still check the forums from time to time but wont be back and probably uninstalling if next patch doesn’t have solo queue and massive makeover for solo player experience.

im not an elite player but i haved moved back to rift for good about 3 weeks ago. just no reason to play, nothing to strive for as a solo player and it’s just not fun enough to play same mode over and over. Rift gives me massive customization options with the soul system and lots of maps/styles. Not to mention the devs are actually showing some interest in pvp and really tweaking to make warfronts fun/balanced.

They already said it’s not happening this patch all we get is a new map

Gw2 is like the xfl. Trying to do football but in a new abstract way. And just like the xfl it’s going down in flames and no amount of tweaks and changes can save it from anything more than a niche side game in a pve mmo.

They already said pvp and wvw patch won’t be till march

If gw2 were free not much would change. The pvp just isn’t fun enough

Iruwen.3164:

Tellah.8073:

people lets keep it real. mainline pvpers are the loudest, whiniest, angriest, kitteniest, forum rantingist crowd in any mmo. they demand the devs make instant sweeping changes to anything that isnt in perfect harmony and if it doesnt happen by noon tomorrow they flood the forums with defeatist boohoo about how anet is garbage and the devs are idiots and that the entire game is unplayable.

just read the majority of childish kitten posts in the pvp section and maybe that will give you a hint as to why this aspect of the game is being relegated to the fringe.

furthermore there is no monthly fee so imo anet does nothing but win as the rabid tearspewing pvp crowd diminishes, cause it allows them to better focus on the sane portion of players who arent trying compensate for their lack of masculinity by being overly-competitive in a video game.

and also im a pvper

I agree. PvPers tend to take things way too serious, including and expecially themselves. Time to realize sPvP is a niche and PvPers aren’t some kind of MMO masterrace.

Has nothing to do with being special players it has to do with what was promised during beta and before release