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Because what is the point? What is the reward? Where is the gear you get or the cool new weapons? Where is the benefit to having a higher rank?
The game is fun I’ll give it that, but most people don’t just play for fun, they play for a specific goal and as a side effect have fun achieving that goal.
Not to mention, communication from anet here is a joke. They took a BEAUTIFUL game and failed on such core fundamentals of an mmo. It’s honestly a sad sad thing.
That’s not why it isn’t fun.
People need to gtfo with this gear treadmill nonsense. It’s a dying concept.
The reason why people are leaving is lack of basic features like ladder, custom servers, solo queue, voice chat, etc.
casuals dont care much about that stuff though, they want progression which is why they bought an MMO. If you give them this ridiculous exponential reward arc where you can get everything the moment you had that X0 level, people burnout faster than if it were a steady linear progression.
I think their glory reward system is atrocious. You essentially grind 10 levels which takes a while and then boom, you get everything you want for that rank. Then you spend another ridiculous amount of time to do the same thing.
It’s there for cosmetic purposes. I agree that the rank requirements are stupidly high, but it is essentially a meaningless number.
right but they still could have implemented it better. if it were linear instead of exponential and you could buy say one new piece (chest at level x1, head at level x2, shoulders at level x3) every tier people wouldnt burn out so fast.
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Because what is the point? What is the reward? Where is the gear you get or the cool new weapons? Where is the benefit to having a higher rank?
The game is fun I’ll give it that, but most people don’t just play for fun, they play for a specific goal and as a side effect have fun achieving that goal.
Not to mention, communication from anet here is a joke. They took a BEAUTIFUL game and failed on such core fundamentals of an mmo. It’s honestly a sad sad thing.
That’s not why it isn’t fun.
People need to gtfo with this gear treadmill nonsense. It’s a dying concept.
The reason why people are leaving is lack of basic features like ladder, custom servers, solo queue, voice chat, etc.
casuals dont care much about that stuff though, they want progression which is why they bought an MMO. If you give them this ridiculous exponential reward arc where you can get everything the moment you had that X0 level, people burnout faster than if it were a steady linear progression.
Dota and LoL say hello. Two of the most popular PvP games in the world and they use the exact same system.
neither of those games are progression-based MMORPGs
Neither is the PvP mode inside GW2. It is a distinct game mode separate from PvE/WvW.
that doesnt mean it cant have meaningful progression to bring some of the thousands of players doing pve/wvw over on a regular basis.
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Because what is the point? What is the reward? Where is the gear you get or the cool new weapons? Where is the benefit to having a higher rank?
The game is fun I’ll give it that, but most people don’t just play for fun, they play for a specific goal and as a side effect have fun achieving that goal.
Not to mention, communication from anet here is a joke. They took a BEAUTIFUL game and failed on such core fundamentals of an mmo. It’s honestly a sad sad thing.
That’s not why it isn’t fun.
People need to gtfo with this gear treadmill nonsense. It’s a dying concept.
The reason why people are leaving is lack of basic features like ladder, custom servers, solo queue, voice chat, etc.
casuals dont care much about that stuff though, they want progression which is why they bought an MMO. If you give them this ridiculous exponential reward arc where you can get everything the moment you had that X0 level, people burnout faster than if it were a steady linear progression.
Dota and LoL say hello. Two of the most popular PvP games in the world and they use the exact same system.
neither of those games are progression-based MMORPGs. if anet wants spvp to be big they need to make it fun to the casual PLAYERS, not just casual pvpers who never leave the mists. people keep saying “zomg make mists free we need more people” when theres thousands of people already playing the game but who dont come over to pvp because of how boring, repeititve and lack of rewarding progression.
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Because what is the point? What is the reward? Where is the gear you get or the cool new weapons? Where is the benefit to having a higher rank?
The game is fun I’ll give it that, but most people don’t just play for fun, they play for a specific goal and as a side effect have fun achieving that goal.
Not to mention, communication from anet here is a joke. They took a BEAUTIFUL game and failed on such core fundamentals of an mmo. It’s honestly a sad sad thing.
That’s not why it isn’t fun.
People need to gtfo with this gear treadmill nonsense. It’s a dying concept.
The reason why people are leaving is lack of basic features like ladder, custom servers, solo queue, voice chat, etc.
casuals dont care much about that stuff though, they want progression which is why they bought an MMO. If you give them this ridiculous exponential reward arc where you can get everything the moment you had that X0 level, people burnout faster than if it were a steady linear progression.
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Because what is the point? What is the reward? Where is the gear you get or the cool new weapons? Where is the benefit to having a higher rank?
The game is fun I’ll give it that, but most people don’t just play for fun, they play for a specific goal and as a side effect have fun achieving that goal.
Not to mention, communication from anet here is a joke. They took a BEAUTIFUL game and failed on such core fundamentals of an mmo. It’s honestly a sad sad thing.
yea the whole ranking system is laughable. You hit level 20/30/40 whatever buy every piece of gear you want with all the saved up glory you have, then have nothing to look forward to gear wise for another 10 levels which takes longer and longer each 10.
if the game were actually fun people might not care about rewards, but playing the same game mode over and over and over and only getting rewarded every 10 ranks is pretty sad. i know so many people who got every thing they want at level 11, realized how long it would take to get to 20 and just got burnt out of doing the same thing and quit by ~rank 12-15.
my friends list was about 30 deep after the first month all straight up pvpers. now my friends list is 1 guildy who i WvW with when they are online.
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just look at the ranks, pretty much every hot join match is like this whether its 5v5, or 8v8. you could say well all the vets are in tournaments, except theres only like 1 or 2 free tournies going at a time (and 1 paid during a short window) which is a very few people. so yea. pvp is dying and all we got are noobs trying it out for 10 ranks then quitting.
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fotm thief and ele check
old played out dubstep check
overlydone editing check
I made it to 30 seconds
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I’m trying to learn Dota 2 right now, and it really highlights how important it is for a PvP game to be separated from PvE. Any game with a PvE mode, will always treat PvP as an afterthought. Anet simply lacks the developer manpower to focus on a game mode designed for a niche playerbase.
Dota 2’s gameplay is crap compared to GW2’s, but the game is much better done otherwise.
What What What What, you just lost ALL your credibilty, your clearly still a beginner when it comes to Dota2 but are quick to judge, it’s like someone playing hon for 2 games and saying this has best pvp ever.
I am very new to the game (less than 3 hours experience), but click-to-move is a bush league game mechanic (when coming from GW2). The keyboard movement of GW2 with a focus on dodging is much more demanding and rewarding.
Once MMOs get rid of target lock (and add aiming reticles) and combine it with the movement-based combat of GW2, we’ll have reached the pinnacle of skill-based MMO combat.
tera has and is going free cuz its niche
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spvp is just as bad. 6+ d/d ele’s per match now. The fotm chasing baddies are making the switch quite fast.
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i have played pretty much everything in hot join except guardian, and mesmer is by far the best imo if your sole goal is farming honor. Running a phantasm build (google taugrim legion build – although i dont use that exact build) you can hang around the back lines and just throw your phantasms out for damage. If you see someone downed you can just throw a GS phantasm at them and let them hack away while you focus elsewhere and still get kill credit. you can also escape any zerg fight if youre team starts losing with decoy and blink and go cap a node or wait for reinforcements. also with sword 2 you can survive some heavy focus.
imo thief is too squishy, same with GS warrior. warrior also lacks condi removal and escapability. ranger i just find boring and i dont like following the d/d ele crowed, theres like 6+ d/d eles in every hot join match now. engi’s not bad but nade aoe is small radius and you still lack escapability compared to a mesmer.
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I had that prob for a long time there is a lil trick.. try not to click the near full like 15/16 it hangs if its full from I can gather. instead hit refresh a couple of times then look for 14/16 or click the 15/16 really fast after refresh.. not a fix but speeds it up for me atleast
yea that’s a good work-around. yet another polish issue. The browers themselves for both hot join and tournies are just crap and about as bare bones basic as you can get. What I don’t get is when you pick a server that’s 15/16 and say it’s full, then you hit refresh and the server is still there, still 15/16.
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ITT: people calling OP a noob but nobody with nuts to duel him
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Oh Sprawl, saying funny things and running it into the ground as usual.
I love these videos, I’d love to see more of some different compositions outside of the meta. Thanks for posting the builds too!
ah my stalker friend is back! and I never said anything bad. power is pro. if they are still having success vs the few good teams that play a week from now I will be more impressed
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i would not consider using some off the wall build for a short period of time to mean it is successful.
1. Teams you are playing are seeing this setup for first time and dont have a chance to develop a gameplan against you.
2. most games are won/lost by strategy/movement not classes. i.e. your team could probably run 5 of one class or 3 engis and 2 necros and still beat some top teams.1. The whole point of this thread and those videos is to prove that some pre-determined class comps defined by the meta do not automatically win. If another team needs a chance to develop a gameplan against the whimsical comps, then it sounds like the meta has a whole heck of a lot of developing to do.
2. I’m not so sure even you believe what you’ve just said here. I know for a fact loads of people all over the forums don’t see it, so this sort of video that demonstrates the fact that it’s the players instead of the classes that are winning is very welcome indeed.
players win, classes make it easier. It’s easier to hold a point with some bunkers than others. It’s easier to roam with some classes vs others. Can you win without them? of course but you must work harder at it since the game lacks balance.
The team running 5 engis wins games. The games they win on their own skill merits would have been easier wins if they were running a more balanced comp.
Is it easier to repair the treb with a portal mesmer or an ele with perma-swiftness?
and of course the meta still has to develop theres like 50 people who take GW2 pvp seriously lol.
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I really liked what you guys did today. I really liked that you streamed it, because I didn’t even realize you were streaming today!
I hope these vods show people that you can win without a bunker guardian, and without a mesmer. imo trends are started, and then other people copy them because it’s easy. When everyone copies a trend then it becomes “required.”
That lineup today was very scary!
Mesmer make things easier, period. You can be successful with other builds but it requires more work. This is fact. Had they had simply used a portal/TW mesmer and swapped one person out they would have won easier/faster.
So you’re suggesting TP were beat before the match even started? Sorry I disagree. Mesmer may be familiar and therefore easier in that sense but having a specific class in your group does not win the day. Having good players and great teamwork does. Did you hear their communication? Maybe they put in a little more effort because the classes being played weren’t the ones they were most familiar with, but that’s the only reason.
no what im saying is with a portal mesmer you can move multiple people between points instantly which makes any match easier than without one.
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funny how that works. like every warrior and guardian I see is giant norn. rarely do you see asura or sylvari warriors they are almost always thief or ranger. gonna make an asura warrior tonight with his hard to see hb animation.
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condi ranger shortbow imo for overall pressure.
for dmg havent played warrior but glass necro dagger will be like 500-700-1000 for the three attack 1 spam
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ranger shortbow spam = cheap. I have a trap/condi sb ranger and it’s the most boring char ive played in spvp.
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i played d/d ele for first time last night in spvp and didn’t die once and i dont even know what im doing. I would just RTL/UD then swap around different attunements spamming buttons then mist/RTL/port if i was in danger. I still prefer my phantasm spec mesmer though.
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For hot join it’s more like this
1. Thief (99% d/d)
2. Mesmer (99% shatter)
3. Ele (99% d/d)
4. Warrior (99% HB)
5. Guardian
6. Ranger (99% shortbow)
7. Necro (99% scepter/staff)
8. EngiMight be based on the times I play, or the region (I’m in the EU) but I don’t think I see more mesmers and eles in hot join than warriors and guardians. Tournaments are a diffreent matter though (but less thieves there too).
I agree completely about the lack of build variety.
ah k yea im on NA and the god mode ele 0/10/0/30/30 fad has swept up hot join.
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I really liked what you guys did today. I really liked that you streamed it, because I didn’t even realize you were streaming today!
I hope these vods show people that you can win without a bunker guardian, and without a mesmer. imo trends are started, and then other people copy them because it’s easy. When everyone copies a trend then it becomes “required.”
That lineup today was very scary!
Mesmer make things easier, period. You can be successful with other builds but it requires more work. This is fact. Had they had simply used a portal/TW mesmer and swapped one person out they would have won easier/faster.
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So today, 1/10/13, PZ decided to say #kittentherules and play double ranger, double elementalist, and an offensive guardian in the NA paid scene to see if it was possible to disregard the rules of the meta and play a non-standard comp against a top 3 team. Many people think that there is a standard meta that the game forces a set composition based on the fact that top teams are running them, but the matter of the fact is that GOOD players haven’t tried experimenting with original tactics/compositions (at least in the NA scene)
I hope the Team Paradigm players does not take offense to this video being highlighted off my stream to help the community see the fact that exploration can result in success, because I both respect them and love them all as players and friends.
Either way, here they are..
http://www.twitch.tv/matchlesspowerr/c/1828863
http://www.twitch.tv/matchlesspowerr/c/1828942We did however lose a map one match, but there were a ridiculous amount of things that went wrong. Granted, could have always gone both ways. Here that is: http://www.twitch.tv/matchlesspowerr/c/1828950 Tornado choice was a leading factor in the loss :/ meh whatever
i would not consider using some off the wall build for a short period of time to mean it is successful.
1. Teams you are playing are seeing this setup for first time and dont have a chance to develop a gameplan against you.
2. most games are won/lost by strategy/movement not classes. i.e. your team could probably run 5 of one class or 3 engis and 2 necros and still beat some top teams.
It’s sort of like football there are lots of “gimmick” offenses out there that work for a few games. Then once the rest of the league gets a chance to watch more film, prepare better, etc. that gimmick goes away.
TLDR – if you are still running this setup a week from now and rolling top teams regularly i’d consider it a success.
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This would indeed be very interesting to see.
I think I can hazzard a pretty good guess though, at least for hot join:
1. Thief (by a huge margin, at least 25% of total I’d guess)
2. Guardian
3. Warrior
4. Mesmer
5. Necro
6. Ranger
7. Ele
8. Engi5-7 are probably all pretty close together, and may be a bit different.
For hot join it’s more like this
1. Thief (99% d/d)
2. Mesmer (99% shatter)
3. Ele (99% d/d)
4. Warrior (99% HB)
5. Guardian
6. Ranger (99% shortbow)
7. Necro (99% scepter/staff)
8. Engi
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there’s a cutoff somewhere with how much dmg you need to do i think. Sometimes i’ll tag someone once or twice when they are down and wont get a kill credit, other times i’ll do “significant” damage while they are downed and no need to stomp and do get credit, regardless of doing any damage prior
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i believe each combo has a random chance to crit one different item so you might just have bad luck
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me: mesmer:
most: good thief when defensive CD are down
least: spam thief
me: necro
most: ele
least: ranger
me: thief
most: mesmer/ele/necro
least: other thief
me: engi
most: ele
least: thief
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QP meaningless crap?
I’m sorry to break it on you but you need to reach at least 2nd map to get any QP pts, this means to beat at least some other team…and people who have 600+ QP means that have won the 1st and 2nd map many many many times…where the kitten is your grind? Paid tournament is not Zerg vs Zerg where you farm glory lmao
qp is meaningless when theres no skilled competition. Sataar was mid/lower tier in QP when paids first came out and every team was playing. As higher skilled teams got bored and quit sataar then began to climb the QP ladder. Not hard to figure out.
Also good teams who dont play during primetime have low to no QP because paids dont pop during their play time.
Also QP is a grind. If a team beats the #1 QP team every time they play them but only plays 1 tourney a night due to wait time, who is better? The team with 50QP who wins 1 tourney a night vs the top team or the team with 600QP who grinds non-stop farming bad teams?
It’s amazing people actually value qp lol.
One of the few things WoW arena did right was their ranking system and games played requirement. Once you established yourself after a reset you could play the minimum 10 games a week against 10 high ranked teams and maintain your rank. Teams that simply played more had no advantage. You could also get a match all hours of the day. The fact paids only pop during a small window during prime time just shows what a joke the system is and how small the playerbase is of people who actually do paid.
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a pitcher does take the advice of the catcher. who do you think tells the pitcher what pitches to throw. i guess you never played baseball let me tell you something. a catcher learns how to read body launguage and is so close to a batter that he usually knows what pitch is good to strike out that batter so the catcher tells the pitcher what to pitch with hand signals. sometimes the pitcher says no and the catcher calls an alternitive but the pitcher usually goes with what the catcher tells him. just because the catcher isnt a pitcher does not mean he doesnt know how the pitcher should play. and if the pitcher gets stubburn the catcher walks up to him and tells him whos boss.
actually i’ll just respond to this last gem one since it’s so wrong lol. You have clearly never played baseball at a high level, and if you did play ever, there were clearly no pitch calls. A pitcher doesn’t take advice from the catcher. The pitcher acknowledges what pitch he wants to throw. Both the pitcher and catcher and coaches game plan each hitter and how best to attack them prior to the game, most levels the catcher gets the sign from the coach and relays that to the pitcher. So the pitcher is agreeing usually to the first call because he knows that’s right because he knows the scouting report on the batter as does the catcher and the coach. The catcher doesn’t call pitches because he is smarter or better than the pitcher he calls pitches because he needs to KNOW what pitch is coming in order to properly position himself. If catcher is expecting a fatsball and pitcher throws a curveball chances are it will get past him. Pitchers throw whatever they want but obviously they have no way to relay to the catcher without the batter and opposing team seeing the signs. Also the catcher doesnt walk up to the pitcher when they get stubborn, they walk up to the pitcher when signs get mixed, they need to change signs because they think the other team knows them or they want to specifically gameplan for a batter due to a difficult situation (baserunners, etc.)
if you would like to understand more about the relationship between pitchers and catchers, pitch signs, pitching grips, arm motions, or the sport of baseball in general plz whisper me in game I could help you understand the sport better so you dont sound dumb when you try to talk to your friends about what’s going on when you are watching on TV.
thx
Sprawl
-Former D1 Athlete
-Best athlete in GW2 NA, EU
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guys im done replying to sataar his bad english and lack of any real life experience with sports make his posts difficult to read and make no sense.
sataar if you want advice on real life sports plz msg me in game and we can discuss because you dont seem to understand baseball, football or soccer seems like you just watch on tv or read articles then post its amusing. so plz whisper me in game . its ok though most gamers wish they were athletes so I understand your desire to feel like you played sports beyond age 13.
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Hello All
Frankly i am shocked by the responses happening in the forums. Everyone is going crazy, moaning about endgame or WvW or Spvp.
Game has been out since August. Give it time. YOUR NOT PAYING A SUB!!!!, just come back once they started adding in new features.
Take WoW for instance.
At launch it had nothing compared to what it has now. It didn’t even have PvP at launch.
Took them till end of TBC just to get Achievements in the game. Patch 3.3 End patch for Wotlk just to get Dungeon Finder in the game. and 4.3 just to get LFR and Transmog.
MoP before they got pet battles and item upgrades.Yet everyone here is moaning like little kids just because u don’t have everything u want in the 1 go.
Give Anet time, They will be adding more the game as time passes. SURE!!! I could understand this rage and venom that’s in these forums if you were paying a SUB, which your not.
Go play something else and pick up the game when they add more. Anet ain’t just gonna add event patches the rest of the game lifespan.
Also these forums can be looked at without logging in. So anyone that might be interested in buying the game looks at these. I could understand why they might stay away.
if it took 6 years for one car to make air bags a standard feature is it ok for another car to take 6 years after that? no. you release with what your competition has. thats how real businesses work.
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zerg and dodge.
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Seeing as how a Goalie’s entire job is to defend against Offensive Players of all levels, their opinion on what their own Offensive Players are doing wrong/should be doing to beat the opposing Goalie is extremely valid.
You want to beat a Goalie? Ask a Goalie how they get beat. Want to beat a Mesmer? Ask a Mesmer how they get beat. Ask them what frustrates them and what tactics counter their playstyle.
Makes perfect sense actually.
if a goalie knew how to beat goalies he would be on offense
That’s probably one of the most illogical things I’ve read on this forum all day.
goalies are the kids who got cut and wanted to stay on the the team. do you think messi asks goalies how to play? rofl
Not going to derail any further after this point but there’s a huge difference between kids playing Soccer and Professionals. Pro Goalies are not worse players than the rest of the field. It’s pretty ridiculous to even suggest as much.
if they were as good they wouldnt be goalies. defensive backs in football are guys who cant catch. goalies are guys who have no ball skills and lack speed and endurance. plz whisper me in game if you want to understand soccer better you need to l2p a lot.
sataar is kinda like a goalie. he lacks skill to play front line but has required utility/elite skills as a mesmer that he is required like a goalie and put on back point and carried by his teammates.
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Seeing as how a Goalie’s entire job is to defend against Offensive Players of all levels, their opinion on what their own Offensive Players are doing wrong/should be doing to beat the opposing Goalie is extremely valid.
You want to beat a Goalie? Ask a Goalie how they get beat. Want to beat a Mesmer? Ask a Mesmer how they get beat. Ask them what frustrates them and what tactics counter their playstyle.
Makes perfect sense actually.
if a goalie knew how to beat goalies he would be on offense
That’s probably one of the most illogical things I’ve read on this forum all day.
goalies are the kids who got cut and wanted to stay on the the team. do you think messi asks goalies how to play? rofl
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Seeing as how a Goalie’s entire job is to defend against Offensive Players of all levels, their opinion on what their own Offensive Players are doing wrong/should be doing to beat the opposing Goalie is extremely valid.
You want to beat a Goalie? Ask a Goalie how they get beat. Want to beat a Mesmer? Ask a Mesmer how they get beat. Ask them what frustrates them and what tactics counter their playstyle.
Makes perfect sense actually.
if a goalie knew how to beat goalies he would be on offense
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L2P ppl its hat easy msg me in game if you need help i help everyone.
if you just L2P im sure u will be fine in this game. like i said if you need help about your role in the game i can help you. just whipser me in game and you will get good at it and have more fun then you wont be complaining so much
I appreciate that you’re attempting to help people out, but the way you approach is what is causing you bad flak. People are attacking you because of your structure. What does helping people since day one of the game have to do with personality? Perhaps you may have had a different approach to them but your current approach now is..well..sickening in my opinion.
Regardless of how you’re wishing to help people, your words come out as “You’re an idiot at this game and need to learn to play. Since you’re not good and need to learn to play you should whisper me and I will teach you how to play my way.”
Personalities can change on will. I can go from being calm and as respectful as I can be to downright snarky and rude should I choose to because I’m typing all of this. It’s how my post structure is worded out. I don’t use abbreviations as much as the next guy to show I mean business and take patience with how I type and reread my wording to try my best to make sure it isn’t taken the wrong way. I don’t put opinions into truths by saying you’re wrong or “You’re the person that needs to L2P”.playing only one class and talking about balance is like a goalie telling the offense to l2p.
good analogy bro. im glad you are finally agreeing with me because everyone know the golie understands the offense better then the rest of the team.
hence the reason its so hard for the offense to score in soccer (football for the EU readers)
instead of the goalie pretending to be good at anything other then golie he l2p his role on the team perfect and then learns how best to counter everyone else.
immagine if a goalie qq that the goal was to big or the ball was to small ? ppl would laugh at him and tell him to learn to play.
or immagine if the offense said they goalie spot is to op they need to make the goal bigger or the ball smaller so they score more? ppl would laugh at them and tell them to learn to play
ty sprawl glad your on my side.
Except in this one case. In here you’re wrong and simply putting extra words into Sprawl’s mouth. Let me emphasize:
-The goalie is a goalie, not offense
-A goalie who has been a goalie all his life should not be telling the offense to “learn to play.” and taken seriously.
-If another offense that was better than the “faulty” offense told him to “Learn to Play.” THEN it would be a much more appreciated term.
-The goalie was never in the offense’s shoes. He should keep his mouth shut and have a more constructive chat about it later on instead.
-You’re a mesmer, telling everyone else to L2P their classes despite not having been in their shoes (regardless of who they are or what they’re complaining about.) You’re the goalie telling an offense (Let’s say dagger/focus Necro or Double Axe Warrior) to L2P despite not having been in their shoes.
You can tell anyone to L2P, but you risk it being either an acceptable jab or a downright elitist remark depending on who you are, what you’ve played, and whether or not you’ve had experience with the person’s current ideas.@Breakin: I understand he didn’t mean it to be as offensive, but it comes out as offensive because of his structure of the posts. In Frankenstein, Elizabeth’s speech to the Jury claiming that Justine was a kindhearted goodwilled person instead caused her execution to happen because the structure of her speech made her seem ambitious, ruthless, and deep-down uncaring.
ok lets use baseball as a better example because i think your wrong.
a catcher tells a pitcher how to play because he knows what a pitcher is capable of. even though a catcher is not a pitcher.
so no you do not need to be in somones shoes to know how they walk sorry i just dont agree with you. and every coach in the world will also. many coches never played the game but know how it should be played.
and dont worry about my attitude your wrong on that also.
but ty for your opinion i hope you look past my so called attitude and realize with the evidence i stated you dont need to play all 8 classes to understand them.
a catcher relays the pitch calls from the dugout please l2p sports. they also dont instruct how to throw, grips, etc. they just give pitch signs. you play video games 22 hours a day so I dont blame you to need to l2p but if you want to be better at real life sports plz whisper me in game.
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I’ve been keeping up with the thread and this kind of hit a cord.
“ANET expected a lot more skilled players in this game thats why they said it will be esports.”
Sata…. Your going way too far now. You need to lose about 60% of the ego you have. Now saying that there aren’t enough skilled players in the game is so far from wrong and maybe you’ve been stuck in your little circle for to long.
The other day my team vs’d you guys in paids. We lost of course because we got outplayed. I came to henge 4 times that game. The first time I popped my elite because how Sata always says “#1 mesmer NA/EU” I thought I was going to have some crazy battle. I was wrong, 30 seconds in Sata dropped and I took the point for about 10 seconds before 2 members of his team came to reclaim it. After I res’d I went back to put more pressure because at that time I felt as if you weren’t anything special. I didn’t pop my elite this time not because it was down. Didn’t think I’d needed it to beat you. We vs’d again I stomped you with most of my health remaining and got the point for maybe 15 seconds before back up (great roamers on his team). The last 2 matches you won because help came before we could finish.
I don’t care if no one believes me and you say it’s lies, I know you remember and please remember that well. I’m not saying I’m a better player than you and trying to get attention. I’ll even say it out front, Sata is a better team player(well I’m assuming because he’s team does so well in paids)
Maybe you dueling Caed isn’t the best choice for 1v1’n a thief. Caed has the same ego as you. People with that attitude will never get any better because they already think they are superior to everyone else. From what I seen you still need to L2P.
You setting the meta, stfu. Anet setup the meta and will always be the one controlling it. As good players we find the best comp/strats that works. We aren’t setting the meta though. We just follow the path Anet left out for us.
I think it was a month ago or so, you made a post about making another team. I messaged you in game and telling you I was interested. He told me I need to talk to the leader of the group. Which I did, the kid was like “OMG, Goobs” so we had the team together. This kid leading this group had to be 12 years old and was horrible. I won’t mention his name. The group fell apart of course but I gained a friend from the group so that was a plus. You didn’t even try to put a group together, I’m guessing the other groups failed the same way. Lasting a whole 2-4 hours. Sata’s your attempts to make groups just seem like a show to me. You like the spot light on you and everything you do is to keep that attention on you.
Anyways, Props to your teammates they are amazing. Hopefully they can take some of the weight off their backs at some point.
{ (edit) From my phone, took forever }
i belieave u great job on killing me. so would you say im some super mesmer that needs to be nerfed or would you say im just a player on a good team? ty for bringing this up i been waiting for some ppl to say the truth. mesmers are not super 1v1 team fight ppl that kill everyone then 1v1 everyone with no CD.
and yes you are right i am a better team player because im on a team and im set up for team play. i anticipate my team backing me up.
i understand your little shots at me saying you beat me with full health to build your ego and thats fine you trying to be subliminal with it but to me thats a bad attitude.
and dont badmouth one of my teams with a 14 year old kid on it from ny because im sure the burgers have beaten every team out there in paids including us once. there team does perfectly fine and just because you didnt fit with them because what seems like a age issue with you doesnt mean you should bash them or say they are not doing well or i dont help them. they have won many 1st places.
if you need help becoming a team player just msg me in game. (and lose the attitude towrds me because you didnt make one of our teams)
wow you are delusional lol
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I’ve been keeping up with the thread and this kind of hit a cord.
“ANET expected a lot more skilled players in this game thats why they said it will be esports.”
Sata…. Your going way too far now. You need to lose about 60% of the ego you have. Now saying that there aren’t enough skilled players in the game is so far from wrong and maybe you’ve been stuck in your little circle for to long.
The other day my team vs’d you guys in paids. We lost of course because we got outplayed. I came to henge 4 times that game. The first time I popped my elite because how Sata always says “#1 mesmer NA/EU” I thought I was going to have some crazy battle. I was wrong, 30 seconds in Sata dropped and I took the point for about 10 seconds before 2 members of his team came to reclaim it. After I res’d I went back to put more pressure because at that time I felt as if you weren’t anything special. I didn’t pop my elite this time not because it was down. Didn’t think I’d needed it to beat you. We vs’d again I stomped you with most of my health remaining and got the point for maybe 15 seconds before back up (great roamers on his team). The last 2 matches you won because help came before we could finish.
I don’t care if no one believes me and you say it’s lies, I know you remember and please remember that well. I’m not saying I’m a better player than you and trying to get attention. I’ll even say it out front, Sata is a better team player(well I’m assuming because he’s team does so well in paids)
Maybe you dueling Caed isn’t the best choice for 1v1’n a thief. Caed has the same ego as you. People with that attitude will never get any better because they already think they are superior to everyone else. From what I seen you still need to L2P.
You setting the meta, stfu. Anet setup the meta and will always be the one controlling it. As good players we find the best comp/strats that works. We aren’t setting the meta though. We just follow the path Anet left out for us.
I think it was a month ago or so, you made a post about making another team. I messaged you in game and telling you I was interested. He told me I need to talk to the leader of the group. Which I did, the kid was like “OMG, Goobs” so we had the team together. This kid leading this group had to be 12 years old and was horrible. I won’t mention his name. The group fell apart of course but I gained a friend from the group so that was a plus. You didn’t even try to put a group together, I’m guessing the other groups failed the same way. Lasting a whole 2-4 hours. Sata’s your attempts to make groups just seem like a show to me. You like the spot light on you and everything you do is to keep that attention on you.
Anyways, Props to your teammates they are amazing. Hopefully they can take some of the weight off their backs at some point.
{ (edit) From my phone, took forever }
i belieave u great job on killing me. so would you say im some super mesmer that needs to be nerfed or would you say im just a player on a good team? ty for bringing this up i been waiting for some ppl to say the truth. mesmers are not super 1v1 team fight ppl that kill everyone then 1v1 everyone with no CD.
and yes you are right i am a better team player because im on a team and im set up for team play. i anticipate my team backing me up.
i understand your little shots at me saying you beat me with full health to build your ego and thats fine you trying to be subliminal with it but to me thats a bad attitude.
and dont badmouth one of my teams with a 14 year old kid on it from ny because im sure the burgers have beaten every team out there in paids including us once. there team does perfectly fine and just because you didnt fit with them because what seems like a age issue with you doesnt mean you should bash them or say they are not doing well or i dont help them. they have won many 1st places.
if you need help becoming a team player just msg me in game. (and lose the attitude towrds me because you didnt make one of our teams)
wow you are delusional lol
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reduce dmg by 30% in hotjoin. nobody in tournies will care anyway, just make it more friendly to new players.
update the default profession builds based on meta, so you aren’t giving players useless specs out of the gate.
everything else has already been asked for.
OMG this is a great reply please everyone read this. this reply makes this whole forum post worth it.
we get a player that thinks outside the box and comes up with a idea to help new players in hotjoin. plus take the traits weapons runes amulets and utilites from the top players of there classes so when new ppl make a new character and get in the mist they are already were they should be and then can tweak and twork it as they see fit.
and then his other idea is to nerf total dmg in hotjoins by 30%. dude thats a freaken great idea. no more insta gibbing no more QQ from new ppl thinking this really happens in the real tournament part of the game.
great reply. now instead of hearing “nerf thief or mesmer or 100b because new ppl in hotjoin die by them” we can actually let ppl play hot joins get into the game correctly with out strugling over builds or being insta gibbed.
great idea very new person friendly.
lol? that’s a horrible idea and would screw things up worse than they are
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playing only one class and talking about balance is like a goalie telling the offense to l2p.
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I’ve been keeping up with the thread and this kind of hit a cord.
“ANET expected a lot more skilled players in this game thats why they said it will be esports.”
Sata…. Your going way too far now. You need to lose about 60% of the ego you have. Now saying that there aren’t enough skilled players in the game is so far from wrong and maybe you’ve been stuck in your little circle for to long.
The other day my team vs’d you guys in paids. We lost of course because we got outplayed. I came to henge 4 times that game. The first time I popped my elite because how Sata always says “#1 mesmer NA/EU” I thought I was going to have some crazy battle. I was wrong, 30 seconds in Sata dropped and I took the point for about 10 seconds before 2 members of his team came to reclaim it. After I res’d I went back to put more pressure because at that time I felt as if you weren’t anything special. I didn’t pop my elite this time not because it was down. Didn’t think I’d needed it to beat you. We vs’d again I stomped you with most of my health remaining and got the point for maybe 15 seconds before back up (great roamers on his team). The last 2 matches you won because help came before we could finish.
I don’t care if no one believes me and you say it’s lies, I know you remember and please remember that well. I’m not saying I’m a better player than you and trying to get attention. I’ll even say it out front, Sata is a better team player(well I’m assuming because he’s team does so well in paids)
Maybe you dueling Caed isn’t the best choice for 1v1’n a thief. Caed has the same ego as you. People with that attitude will never get any better because they already think they are superior to everyone else. From what I seen you still need to L2P.
You setting the meta, stfu. Anet setup the meta and will always be the one controlling it. As good players we find the best comp/strats that works. We aren’t setting the meta though. We just follow the path Anet left out for us.
I think it was a month ago or so, you made a post about making another team. I messaged you in game and telling you I was interested. He told me I need to talk to the leader of the group. Which I did, the kid was like “OMG, Goobs” so we had the team together. This kid leading this group had to be 12 years old and was horrible. I won’t mention his name. The group fell apart of course but I gained a friend from the group so that was a plus. You didn’t even try to put a group together, I’m guessing the other groups failed the same way. Lasting a whole 2-4 hours. Sata’s your attempts to make groups just seem like a show to me. You like the spot light on you and everything you do is to keep that attention on you.
Anyways, Props to your teammates they are amazing. Hopefully they can take some of the weight off their backs at some point.
{ (edit) From my phone, took forever }
lol if sataar wasnt owned enough in this thread this takes the cake
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lol, not fotm guy yet plays shatter spec with portal snd timewarp. lolz
guess u dont play paids. im not shatter spec i am more phantasm. i dont always use timewarp try asking all the ppl last night and the past week that i moa over and over again and im not always back point with portal.
ty for making yourself look silly. to bad now i know you only talk nonsense its going to be hard to read anything you write in this post with a straight face.
lol youre a joke bro you contradict yourself in every post. there is another thread going for your crying about moa saying you never use it so which 1 is it. You’re also bad your mid tier player until all the top teamss quit now you start talking
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if he doesnt stay back he dies to hb, the meta is too deep for you bro
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I am the best na mesmer in hot join
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lol, not fotm guy yet plays shatter spec with portal snd timewarp. lolz
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make a video beating top teams as phantasam non shatter spec without portal and time warp equipped
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make a video beating top teams as phantasam non shatter spec without portal and time warp equipped
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Sataar, if you’re tired of the QQ show us. Play something else for a night, and go into paids without portal and timewarp and make me a video of you guys beating JBUO, RC, Qt. Then I’ll believe you.
this
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@Sprawl: I think the discrepancy origins in us talking about totally different things. Every sort of communication whatsoever has (at least) two parts (can easily expand this, but nvm that now). While you are talking about communication inside a subculture (isn’t it?), some of us (I, at least) am talking about communication that deliberately goes from that subculture out in what could be “normal society”. There is a difference … a rather huge one.
this isnt normal society though, this is a sub-forum for an online computer game regarding players/teams facing each other to determine a winner.
No … you are talking about a subculture inside this subculture that doesn’t want to be a part of normal society, but wants to voice their opinion in an offensive way to normal society in a place where normal society still expands to. Even if this is a culture of some sort, doesn’t mean, that we have to set the rules of normal society out of function. Seriously .. think of the consequences, if that was true. I bet you can make a subforum somewhere for derogatory ways to express yourself over this game … but why put it where “everyone else” is?
you are reaching so far now, what limited trash talk there is on this forum is so mild it’s not even funny
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I just fail to see how the free to play mists would solve anything. Its not like the game was a bust and was not purchased. It sold over 2 million copies. The problem isn’t that there is a barrier to play, the problem is people tried it and realized it is the biggest waste of time in any MMO. Its completely segregated, no substantial rewards and they decided to only institute the least fun game mode in any game: conquest. Add that to the fact that the game basically penalizes you for being a solo player or someone who only plays with 1 or 2 friends(which is a giant population). Then add that they want you to play SPVP first which is a mess. It literally teaches you nothing about their boring conquest mode and instead has everyone running gimmicy burst builds with no bunkers to keep them in check(why would anyone run a bunker in hot join) so new players are bursted down by back stab, shatter and 100 blades and think “wow this game sucks”. If they are masochistic enough to stick around and have a friend join them they fight each round trying to get on the same team or end up fighting each other. Lastly if they are even more masochistic and still stick around they then solo or duo queue for tournaments only to get molested by the too teams in the world.
All in all it truly has nothing to do with the barrier to start PvP, 2 million or so people already did. Its the fact that this is without question the worst implementation of PvP in any promising game ever. Its a joke.
Priorities should be:
- Add a solo duo queue option for TPVP
- Add matchmaking so people play others with similar experience levels
- Make SPvP play like TPVP by rewarding players for, you know, actually playing freaking conquest.
- Add rewards that actually carry over into other parts of the game so players don’t feel like the game is a complete waste.
- Add more game modes so that the people who find conquest boring (which is pretty much everyone) can play things they like (mind blowing concept I know). Also conquest is destroying build diversity. There are tons of viable builds you just can’t run when a game is designed for standing still in a circle.
I appreciate your post and your skill level but the issue isn’t that people aren’t starting to PvP it’s that they tried it and immediately said “this is garbage”. I had a full friends list of people I recruited to play this game and 100% are gone having said that exact statement.
P.S. : I typed this on my phone so if parts are nonsense I’ll fix it later.
exactly they need a complete overhaul before they try to add new players. When diehard gw2 pvp fanbois are quitting why do people think those that werent even interested in the game to start with will enjoy boring conquest mode over and over? Either way they are in trouble, they have probably a years worth of work to make the game fun (new maps, new modes, solo/premade separation, match making, ladder, custom servers, observer mode, etc)
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