Guild Wars 2

To those who think that all class is as easy to play as Ranger, I challenge you all make a DpS Eles, Trip Kit Engineer, play with it and win with no sweat. Record it and put it up to show proof.

Please have a VERY good look at the VERY first encounter where he kill an Eles. Please point me out if there is any of his team mate around and that is not solo? Anyway, deny it all you want, close your eye if u feel like it. The spirit ranger players will get what they deserve at the end of the day for abusive such cheesy build.

I challenge you to mouse-clicking on Engineer and find a newbie players to get the same effectiveness as the Spirit Ranger. Anyway, I am done with you.

Like I said before, the video clearly is a very hard solid proof to show that Spirit Ranger is VERY easy to play despite with that many newbie plays presented. I am so amazed at the capability of a Spirit Ranger. In a new hand, it is already decent. In a professional hand, it will be an atomic bomb.

The more you play, the more skill you improve in gameplay, the less mistake you make,the more awareness of the situation you have. Yes, the build carries through different skill level. I would love to see that kind of gameplay on any other class, save Power Well Necro and Spirit Ranger, to be anywhere near that destruction. Though, Power Well Necro do try a bit harder, it is still cheesy compare to other build.

If you read my post carefully, you will see I assume everyone at the same skill level, meaning it also cover mouse-clicking scenario as well, while other is struggled with killing, he does his jobs with no sweat..

It would be safe for me to assume, let say everyone in the match at equal level, newbie skill level more or less. The fact that he dominates everyone else at the same level with that kind of game play,not because he is skilled, properly handle the situation, I believe show proof enough how easy this class can be played. The class is clearly OP when play at competitive level. At this kind of level, it already dominates everything else. Logically speaking, if two at the same skill level facing, one use Spirit Ranger, one use an X build, the wining odd favour will always on Ranger’s side. I even dare say if he know, the player in the video, the use of hotkey, properly combo and proper built, heck he could beat me up with his ranger easily while I have 600+ tournament under my belt while he is clearly no where near that.. The skill of a player does not matter if the build clearly shows advantage over the others.

The fact that everyone in here agree that the video is a terrible play for both sides,yet the spirit ranger can did excellently. Whether they are hero hot join or not, a r40 player should not be killed that easy in less than 10s by a hand of r20 player, not with that kind of play, provided they are both coming from Hotjoin,or able to survive in team fight with that mouse-clicking play for a long time. “The spirit Ranger is not easy as you think”, I take it back, we never think it is THIS easy to play to be effective.

dovrak.4376:

haha so funny, it’s like playing easy mode osu.

I know right?

jportell.2197:

Stealth.9324:

Sorrow, like I said before. Right now, AR is the only hard counter to this condition madness spamming feast meta, whether it is a hard counter, a solution or not, it is the only thing we have. I do not mind AR getting changed for the better but ONLY when Condition be Tonned down.

And when conditions are toned down you will see this trait return to obscurity.

By then, they will have the right to ask or nerf for AR trait. As I seen ATM, any nerf asking for AR is plain unreasonable and stupid.

sorrow.2364:

style.6173:

sorrow.2364:

style.6173:

The issue is that no one is going to respec for every map they play. This map is not balanced and needs to be thrown out of the rotation.

So it all goes down to the fact that people are too lazy to adapt to another type of map?

Yeah, it should be definitely thrown out of rotation. Better have a Kyhlo clone instead.

It’s not about adapting. If all someone wanted to play was skyhammer, they could create a build for that. In sPvP where the maps rotate, it isn’t realistic to respec everytime a specific new map comes.

In sPvP you can easily join in single-map servers or non-skyhammer servers.
I thought the topic was about soloq. In that case you know the map you’re going to play and that you should build accordingly.

You know the number of maps you will play, you do not know which maps specificly you will play next..Build only for Skyhammer map will not be effective in other map and vice-versa. Seriously, if we know which map we will play next or having build templates, things may be different. Having changing build every time you go to this map is kitten annoying. And you only have 1m20s to do so..Good luck with re-build your character during that time-frame manually.

Too bad not many people think like you, Poxxia, like Mr. X we have here…“Spirit Ranger need buff, YAH” _.

Sorrow, like I said before. Right now, AR is the only hard counter to this condition madness spamming feast meta, whether it is a hard counter, a solution or not, it is the only thing we have. I do not mind AR getting changed for the better but ONLY when Condition be Tonned down.

The video shows that even a clueless guy, no hot-key, literally mouse-clicking spamming skill win most of the fight can win easily against a r40 player, how skill this build need to play effectively and how cheesy the build is. You can keep your eye closed in the matter, I don’t care. Anyone with brain, logic and reasonable, understandable will think otherwise.

Mammoth.1975:

There is a clear difference between a good spirit ranger and a bad one.

Which you think the player in the video is?

Wombat.3510:

The guy killed people without even having any spirits up – and running a Moa! To me that shows that the people he was playing against were really, really terrible. He got destroyed by a guardian with all spirits and moa up. If anything this video shows why spirit rangers need to be buffed, not nerfed!

Oh right, the people he play against is bad..Oh wait, he is a decent rank players, yet he only need to mouse-clicking to achieve his victory while other has to go through the bother to bind their key together to use effectively. Also, please re-watch the very first counter of him dueling the Eles and watch that Eles rank at the end, r40 vs r20,hotkey vs mouse-clicking. How on earth did he win that way.So tell me, between mouse-clicking and hot key binding, which gives you fast reaction? I choose this video simply because he literally mouse- clicking on skill and yet still do a very good job…. The ranger need Buff if anything show in this video,, yeah, right >_>!!!

overEnd.2947:

supply crate dosent even trigger lyssa as far as i know, so the engi would have to use the elixir or the mortar (both amazing elites right..)

Interesting, did not know that, LoL. Thanks for pointing it out. The world has so many mysterious….

Until we have build templates, Skyhammer or Spirit watch and Raid is out of rotation for good.

Quickfoot Katana.8642:

He is a clicker and a 2man capper, plus plays as a completely clueless guy. We already know spirit ranger is really easy to play, whats the point of this thread exactly?

Spirit rangers WILL be nerfed, and these people riding the op train will start to lose way more often at their soloQs.

The point of this to make some people out-there defending Spirit Ranger take skill to play and is “balanced” in their world. Since, so far there are no hard proof regarding to this matter, I recently come across with this video, think I should post it to those who defend it to see for themselves.

I don’t find it is a problem when Condition being toned down. However, as the way it is now, we don’t need any more touch on AR. When you get a sickness, you get medicine to counter the sickness. When the sickness is reduce, the medicine you take also less. Cause vs Solution. Solve the Cause first, then the Solution will be automatically gone.

That happened in team fight but in 1v1, he is unstoppable, just by clicking mouse…Think what more he could do if he had used Hotkey…

In fact, try to do that in any other class but Spirit Ranger….

A very good spirit Ranger show up-close how skill the user need to have to use it effectively.. Enjoy >->!!!! By just clicking on skill instead of using hot-key, the Victory is his…All hail Mighty SPIRIT RANGER…

Disclaimer: To the player who post this video, I don’t mean to make fun of you. Rather than, your video is a very clearly proof to show the current state of Spirit Ranger atm. Thank a lot.

There will never ever have a sureness in battle. For example, a 4v5 match with the 4-sides win the game, the odd is low but it is there and exist. However, you can not expect a team with Full-Condition Builds will have a fair chance against a Full-Anti-Condition Build. They still are able to win, they just need to try harder. That’s why we have different class which has different unique abilities, to fill out different roles in combat. Counter to Counter = Balance. No sides is dominant. You can’t expect one class can do all, then why do we have many class in the first place?

A simple scenario, 3 Lords fight over a Territory. They each have their own unique army and excels in their own way. However, they know that each of them can be a countered to the rest. That’s why each of them keep others in place. If each Lord has the same army, same power, then either they do nothing or they fight to their death.Either case, it is a boring case.

sorrow.2364:

Stealth.9324:

Power creep = bad balance.
Less way to counter Conditions and CC at the same time = bad design.

Too bad that it is just only you want that kind of depth. Don’t assume when you know nothing. You are not representative for our community.

So you’re saying that power creep is bad but answering an overpowered mechanic with another overpowered trait is prerfectly fine?

I’ve never said that conditions don’t need to be toned down, but justifying AR because of power creep is laughable.

Don’t laugh just yet, I never said anything about what you said. It is just a counter post to your example. Not until power creep get some fixed, AR should not be touched no matter what. Fix Power Creep first, then we can talk.

A good and experience tactician can tell the odd of wining based on the information that been given by the enemy. Necro is OP but you can’t expect a full team of 5 Necros to most likely to win the fight would you not? Or you can not expect a full team only knows how to play Rock to win against a team that is well-rounded.. Either I misunderstand you or you have a misunderstanding about the game.

How is Necro Fear chain not to be seen as leave no room for counterplay, I don’t understand? You have been told many time of how to counter an AR Enginner, though you refuse to listen. All you need to do is don’t burst home while he is on AR, burst him when he is on 26% of his health. 4k health with 5+ conditions on him, I would be amazed of how he survive that. Well, if he does, he well deserves it.

Funny thing is, Engineer grenade and Power Well power is not on that list. This meta right now is all about Condition spam, and as you said, Eles is good at countering Condition on 1v1, why don’t we see that many Eles in tourney? Eles and Mesmer right now on the same boat, useless. Each has their own problem need to be solved. Compared the each class unique abilities is useless and argue over it is kitten. Things is most people here already well-informed, save for some minority. So, one lying line will not change anything.

And for the focus thing issue, Mesmer trained as Zerkers and Eles trait as Bunkers, yet we go down at the same duration, does that tell you something?

sorrow.2364:

@jportel:
hard counter => bad balance
counter => good balance

If you wanted to play rock-paper-scissor, then GW2 is not a good game for you.
I think everyone here wants some more depth.

Power creep = bad balance.
Less way to counter Conditions and CC at the same time = bad design.

Too bad that it is just only you want that kind of depth. Don’t assume when you know nothing. You are not representative for our community.

jportell.2197:

Stealth.9324:

jportell.2197:

Its called ether renewal. Clears conditions while you heal and pulses twice per second. Please tell me how eles have no gauranteed wipe of conditions some more?

It take 3 and 1/2 sec to cast, so it can be interrupted and put it on full Cd while getting only 1 or 2 pulse heal which is insignicficant compared to other heal.That is the main reason why Eles don’t use that often despite it can cleanse conditions and shortest CD among all. (15s)

Armor of earth/Earth attunement swap. Oh yeah did you know eles can get stability EVERY 10s. Please do not come here saying that mesmers have better condi clear than eles. Or that eles don’t have some of the best clears in the game.

Chill your head, man. You are losing your cool. I never said that myself. I just correct you. Sure we have AoEarth on 90s CD, and stability every 10s, but we are going down in 3s if being focus because we can’t stealth and lowest healthpool.

Esport you say?Your action says otherwise. Please let me know if LoL allows you to switch Heroes mid-match? Or SC 2 give you an option to change race? You have 1mins plus at the start to discuss strategy and switch class, if you don’t do it during that time, well too bad. You choose to go in the match with it, so suck it up and finish the game or leave and get dishonoured. Simple.

As a counter to your Rock Paper Scissors match, I would love challenging you to request change player while in a match and get approved for no reason. .LAMESPORTS.

jportell.2197:

Its called ether renewal. Clears conditions while you heal and pulses twice per second. Please tell me how eles have no gauranteed wipe of conditions some more?

It take 3 and 1/2 sec to cast, so it can be interrupted and put it on full Cd while getting only 1 or 2 pulse heal which is insignicficant compared to other heal.That is the main reason why Eles don’t use that often despite it can cleanse conditions and shortest CD among all. (15s)

OMG, here it goes again!!!!Necromancers players always see anything that is a counter to them an eyesore….and they are ok with drop people down in 2 fear,less than 5s, stacks 5+ conditions in 1 fears, etc….I am really amazed at how some people really want to be class dominator. If Anet listen to those kinds, I will get moving to other home for good and sure I will have some companions with me too…Sigh….

And the odds are? Not to mention the other team has three r20 under while your team composed r30+. Want to hear our opposed team rank in the pictures? (60,39,40,30+,30+). I myself also win some 4v5 match. However, it is NOT ok to leave something like that happened regularly.

Is it too much to ask for the match does not start or pop when we don’t have enough 5 people join in >->???? So upset…when it happened twice tonight…Do something please.

Copestetic.5174:

Stealth.9324:

Copestetic.5174:

Hawatak.8049:

Hi there !

As we all see this few days/weeks(/months ?), a lot a forums posts in this section are about the meta (conditions, necros, rangers, etc, etc), and they almost all agree to say that there is a problem, a big HUGE problem. People keep saying that the sPvP is NOT enjoyable anymore, and I agree with them.

BUT STILL, Anet doesn’t give a kitten and we’re not even aware if they read all this. We need MORE backup, and we need to know WHAT IS GOING ON. Don’t keep wasting our time with your silence, if you’re not gonna change anything soon, SAY IT so we can leave this crap.

Thanks.

PS : Sorry for my mistakes i’m not english.

I’m 99% sure that ANet cares. I think it’s flat-out stupid and disrespectful to even insinuate otherwise. All through Guild Wars 1, they kept up with the community, balanced at minimum, once a month ( unless a huge gimmick showed it’s ugly head in GvG ), stomped exploits, provided support, chatted in-game with the players, and from what I gathered over the years, kept everyone pretty darn happy.

Why won’t they comment? They already have, they’ve said it what, twice now? They’ll balance after PAX or whatever the darn tournament is to avoid a major shift in the meta. The meta sucks, yes, we all know this from the past 100 threads like this one. If you don’t like it, no one’s forcing you to play. Quit for a month, and come back. It will be different by then, I’m 99% sure. It just requires that thing called “patience”, something you 90’s kids don’t have for kitten.

Very wise words, Sir…Before you tell us has no patience, please let us know how long as the game been out?How long did it take to develop this game? Hw long for the Beta Test. After all that, yet the current state of the game is still horrible, bugs still there, imbalance class pop up here and there after EVERY patch, still only one Conquest Mode after that long. I believe we already give them enough patience for the whole year. Sure we can wait for another months, though, how you so sure thins will get change for the BETTER,then come here and tell us don’t have patience? You thnk so highly of yourself. I expect more from an old man such as you.Modest it seems what you are lacing ATM. I sure you can use some right now.

Regards.
Kids from 90s.

After I get back from “Google Translate”, I’ll respond.

You lost on words? And I believe my post is not that bad that you need to use “Google translate” to understand it.

CntrlAltDefeat.1465:

We also didn’t see any roaming guardians. We also didn’t see any roaming rangers. We didn’t see any defense warriors. We didn’t see any point holding thieves. The logic behind the above statement would mean all professions need buffs in certain area’s..which power creep is what anet said they are wanting to avoid. The mesmer is fine, the current tpvp structure doesn’t allow for all professions to be played all ways, which was the original mission statement of this game.

As for iduelist, recharge of death of phantasm, not upon cast sorts that problem out. That way mesmer pets are identical to every other professions pets.

The different is other prof pets is either free to use (Ranger’s Pet) or Ulties skills while Phatansm is an actual weapon skill of Mesmer. By doing so, it will pretty much destroy the class as a whole. Though, I agree that Iduelist is hurt, the same with Iberserker,maybe lower the number of hit?

As for confusion stacks, I see np in there causes it only stacks if you stay in the field or behind the field. By straying, dodge left or right and out of the field radius, you will be fine. If a Mesmer cleaver enough to get 17 stacks of confusion on you, I say they deserve it.

Copestetic.5174:

Hawatak.8049:

Hi there !

As we all see this few days/weeks(/months ?), a lot a forums posts in this section are about the meta (conditions, necros, rangers, etc, etc), and they almost all agree to say that there is a problem, a big HUGE problem. People keep saying that the sPvP is NOT enjoyable anymore, and I agree with them.

BUT STILL, Anet doesn’t give a kitten and we’re not even aware if they read all this. We need MORE backup, and we need to know WHAT IS GOING ON. Don’t keep wasting our time with your silence, if you’re not gonna change anything soon, SAY IT so we can leave this crap.

Thanks.

PS : Sorry for my mistakes i’m not english.

I’m 99% sure that ANet cares. I think it’s flat-out stupid and disrespectful to even insinuate otherwise. All through Guild Wars 1, they kept up with the community, balanced at minimum, once a month ( unless a huge gimmick showed it’s ugly head in GvG ), stomped exploits, provided support, chatted in-game with the players, and from what I gathered over the years, kept everyone pretty darn happy.

Why won’t they comment? They already have, they’ve said it what, twice now? They’ll balance after PAX or whatever the darn tournament is to avoid a major shift in the meta. The meta sucks, yes, we all know this from the past 100 threads like this one. If you don’t like it, no one’s forcing you to play. Quit for a month, and come back. It will be different by then, I’m 99% sure. It just requires that thing called “patience”, something you 90’s kids don’t have for kitten.

Very wise words, Sir…Before you tell us has no patience, please let us know how long as the game been out?How long did it take to develop this game? Hw long for the Beta Test. After all that, yet the current state of the game is still horrible, bugs still there, imbalance class pop up here and there after EVERY patch, still only one Conquest Mode after that long. I believe we already give them enough patience for the whole year. Sure we can wait for another months, though, how you so sure thins will get change for the BETTER,then come here and tell us don’t have patience? You thnk so highly of yourself. I expect more from an old man such as you.Modest it seems what you are lacing ATM. I sure you can use some right now.

Regards.
Kids from 90s.

You can still duo que in team arena but the downside is you always have to face against pre-made team that could lead to frustration sometimes. Also, you tend to got more afk, leavers mid-match when your team is losing in team arena than solo arena. So my advice is either mentally prepared for the worst or soloQ, team arena with full tea,

That is a bit too much to ask for, I suppose since it required variant source for rank, complex mathematic for calculation, psychology adjustment, etc,etc… It would be cool to have it though. But considers side affect of knowing the odd of wining, since we have so many afk or leave mid-match already. Led me ask you that if the odds is under 10%, do you still want to play the game? As long as the mental of thinking only for themselves, ignore team’s benefit, this system would di more harm than good.

Fungalfoot.7213:

I don’t see the issue here. One benefit of running a pet heavy build is the additional cover pets offer. This is working as intended and piercing counters it.

Target a Ranger while his pet is running around with mouse clicking give him 2s of free attack on you. Losing target and re-target him give another 2s of free hit on you. Boom, he stealth and you have to do it again. Raise and repeat.. That is a VERY BIG problem here.

Ugh…I know how it feel….>→

Krayiss.4926:

Confirmed. Temple is the most frequent map… Picture for verification.

4 Necro 1 Guardian…GG…

PVStar.3658:

Be thankful it was temple the majority of the time instead of skyhammer.

Sky hammer does not exist in team arena….

Please scroll back to first page and read my post.

I simply don’t, not anymore….

Beat Necro and Ranger pet out if misery before they cause any havoc is the best way to deal with them

On theory, yes it should work. On reality, it is not that beautiful. How in the worl a Necro can kite a Ranger with no swiftness nor Vigor access? Compared to massive evade skill on Ranger, access to Vigor and Swiftness, it is so sub-par, much like one of my naive thought back then when I said a War can kite an Eles D/D. I made a really long post about that on theory, D/D Eles can only be in melee to dams, and no access to Range weapon, therefore War can kite him with ease which is DEALY wrong. With so many gap closer, evade skill, Vigor and Swiftness, asking a Necro to kite a Ranger is impossible.

Odd is I find it duelling with Necro on my Engineer is way easier than dealing with Rangers. Between, a Necro and a Engineer, who you think can kite better? And note that, Engineer has a range weapon dams pretty decent compare to a Staff Necro Dam is just so kitten. Most of the dams come from fear chain combo and it only works when you are up close. The further away, the more impossible to get hit by that combo.

Here we go again…Can’t we pure Ausra lover with no ill intent being separated from those who use them to their advantage,..sigh….

Same here..Back when team arena only has 3 maps (Temple,Forest,Kyhlo),we play 10 matches and 7 of them is Temple, 3 of them is Forest, 0 is Kyhlo…Does not seems random much to me. It maybe different to other players but I guess once you play 10 matches, you will notice one map pop up way more often then the others. And by that, I mean like 6/2/2, or 7/3/0….

swiftpaw.6397:

kitten s.7421:

Don’t argue with idiots because they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. —Greg King
Well i learned a a lesson today.

Ah more aggression. That’s fine. Get it all out my friend.

Let me put it in a simple way since you can not understand very well:

- A VET spirit Ranger will always beat Casual spirit ranger (Skill matters)
-A Casual spirit ranger will always face rolls a Vet players of other class that takes months to master ( Spec > Skill)
- A VET spirit Ranger will always face-rolls a Vet of other class any given time of the day (Spec>Skill)

Conclusion: Spirit Ranger is EXTREMELY easy to play, yet EXTREMELY effective.

I have trained with my Eles for months and tried hard to perfect my combo with Engineer, and yet I lose to some FOTM build ranger, he/she plays for 3 days Q___Q. Why is that? Maybe because I am suck, maybe….

Toy gun LoL,….

Maybe it works if u have a perfect timing. I myself tried a few times with my friend, it happens just like Sensotix described.

You notice there is a small patch recently right? So it could be fix already. It was not luck bf the patch. Now they fix, no more complain pop up. Happy Ending