Guild Wars 2

ALL keeps have completely uncounterable siege spots at inner and outer. Everything is full of chokes and verticality. There are still a kittenload of stupid pve mobs everyhwere and the Shrine gimmicks are still as inconsequential and nerv-battering as on day 1. They fixed a few minor things i didnt even care about, the big issues are still the same. thank god the laser-event is gone though, thats a major upgrade for the map. The overall TACTICAL design is still just sad and a testament to how little the designers understand about WvW. Bring back alpine and trash this crap please.

most offhand-1h seem a bit weak, many warriors running shield or warhorn. but they all good in the main hand, though serve different purposes as explained by Choppy.

did they remove it? it used to exist in spvp, i know that and its still there in WvW

scratch this post, i thought you were talking about wvw.

There are many reasons why duelling in EB is bad:

- Blobfest in SM = Lag
- Getting ganked because you are duelling in the middle of the map
- Getting rolled over by zergs which are just passing by
- Bad scenery, only 2-3 good spots to duel and only room for 2-3 duel parties.
- Taking away slots from people who want to play EB
- Guild Auras
…

The problem with the borderland is always.. which borderland? where? everyone knows where the duelling is in EB, but setting up duelling in DBL would mean some communication between servers and coordination people who dont know each other, dont even know the other guys exist. Sanctum was meant to be for serious fighting and it still serves best – but there is nobody there because there is nothing to waste time with while waiting for other duellists.

Yay, and may DBL never return without big redesign on keeps / towers! I’m so tired of uncounterable siege spots. pointless towers at nowhere, running miles to the next camp, falling to my death and running into rocks / slows / stealth whatever bs. Please dont hurry with the rotation xD And i think i speak for many when i say we would like the pre-ruins border with the quaggans (though dont make them destroy siege).

if you are running in zerg you use power toughness vitality gear (can tweak your critical rate a bit with trinkets). this is pretty much the only viable thing for zerging, you would run 1h sword / horn and hammer or maybe greatsword / hammer, something like that. because you are frontline at least one utility slot should be stability, better two of them. also endure pain to resist damage spikes.. and maybe berzerker stance for getting adrenaline rolling or something like “for great justice”, might for your friends.

for roaming around in small groups or solo there are a variety of builds with various stat combos for warrior. get to that later :P

great vid great warrior

Fivedawgs.4267:

But who uses his burst skills without intending to land them?

every shoutbow user xD we need them to warm our feet.

warhorn removes 2 conditions and adrenal health got buffed, also various longbow buffs – return of shaman shoutbow imo. Ditched Soldier and slapped some Balthazar and Flame Legion Runes on my shaman armor – the burns! the longbow autos The thieves – so mad (WvW)

i am in a kind of lethargy atm about warrior. are these new builds floating around after HoT substantially better then standard stuff like this?

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQNApeRjMdQVIW4BOeAnIGUCKcDi7L4yiA431p44PCA-TVCCABMcEAcZDAAeAA/pHYT1A0SZACnAg60E4whAIAwBglD8bAA-w

i need some motivation to really play warrior again.

\o/ M SO EXCITED \o/

Howdy

For me as a wvw-only-player loot is pretty much a necessary nuisance (except for ascended armor / weapon chests). There is nothing i will use, everything gets sold. Lots of clicking and playing the TP – only to get the few gold i need to keep up with sieges / buff food. Its not something i generally enjoy (except for selling the odd exo drop).

Imo you could pretty much scratch the whole drop system down to getting exos, ascendeds, badges and gold. all the rest is just a waste of time for a wvw-player.

In this light:

I dont like all the clicking that comes with reward tracks. autoloot was a step forward, opening 2-3 chests every 10 minutes is not, and then there are even chests in chests and stuff… its work. And all the greys, whites, blues, greens.. they serve no purpose for me except eating up my nerves to get rid of them.

The Anet-Dogma “there can never be enough treasure” has always been wrong. I need a milion gold, not a milion blues.

Ctrl-Click on the commander. You are welcome :P

Alpine BL had special magic most people didnt understand.

BAY was much easier to take then HILLS.
BRIAR was a first push to bay and you could use it to treb from there or sit your kitten on vale and do it from there.
LAKE on the other hand is completely useless to attack hills and hills can only be capped while either having a lot more people or being really gud.. (or ofc rush it when nobody there yet ^^ the usual way)
Notice how the green team defends bay against blue.
blue defends bay against red and red defends bay against green.
Now think about who focus who in usual matchups and this setup makes A LOT of sense (at least before they randomly assigned colors >.<). Its not only the option to siege from towers (earlier on even bay outer from garri) that give a bit of safety that made alpine so much more interesting to play, but the whole setup of the 3 maps and the difficulty of keeps were in perfect harmony. It was designed either by a mastermind of wvw or someone who got lucky as kitten! EBG is similarly well designed btw although SM still gives way too many advantages.

DBL on the other hand were designed around an event that got already removed and has no tactical depth whatsoever. The only good thing about DBL is the lords take more time so there is more time to respond.

Liewec.2896:

throw in 3 shouts and you have another 5k(ish) every 15 secs
i’m even using dolyak runes in my build, for teh lulz XD

You may be laughing but i’ve been using dolyak runes ever since shoutbow got destroyed. Paired with mango pie and all the warrior stuffz its still SOME regen. Also using healing power weapons on mace / shield to increase it further. Noticed a nice survivability buff with my cavalier build, last night i could take on 2-3 enemies at a time and mostly come out on top (we are playing vs germans and their roamers quality is kinda low – but still). Seems viable reg against non-burst chars now.

Theres nothing better then 2 large melee trains having a go at each other But overall damage is still too high which leads to very short fights instead of hours-long large-scale brawls.

I agree. After fixing population / scoring this is the next big issue. CC needs to be toned down, overall damage needs to be toned down, conditions need to be reworked so they are usefull in zerging and roaming.. stupid stuff needs to go (perplexity im looking at you) and thats just what ive come up with in 1 minute. Concerning overall damage levels here is how it should be: Full ascended glasscannon warrior all pimped out for burst damage should just 1hit a full glasscannon (no toughness /vit) ele with killshot. so were talking about 40-50% overall damage reduction here.

Tl;dr: Balance sucks aswell.

“Show me video of u killing DH with warrior then. If u say that it is easy to counter em then u should be able to do that with every class. Also They aren’t easy to ciunter, yes u can doge away from their traps, but then u get 10k crit from their good kitten op shoot… Also the poroblem is that they have high survi and over huge burst dmg. Anet must nerf 1 of those aspects( either survi or burst dmg).”

mace/shield/rifle.. GG DH.

its kitten and needs to get removed. dev who came up with the idea needs to be slapped aswell. I volunteer because its new levels of dumb even compared to all we’ve been through. 4th post by Puck has it nailed.

removing all siege for a week, also removing all upgrades and setting gate health to say 5 times a barricade – could make for a hilarious one week event. fight week!

1. scoring (dont give out 695 points to 3 players online)
2. blobbing (remove aoe cap if possible in any way)
3. balance (reduce overall damage level and increase cooldowns on invuln., evade, CC etc.)
4. population (more incentives to balance out pop among players → increased rewards on lower tiers or something, pop-based prices for transfer are a good start)

build your own treb on op of the stairs and clear them out.

i’m with Jana. game got kitten, peepz should quit. I’m even enjoying pve farming in diablo 3 more then wvw. balance is down the toilet, devs dont know how to fix it – none of them actually pvp lol. zerging got kitten, roaming got kitten, even defending got worse.. its time to call GG, at least for me. I’m rolling with diablo now, at least they dont make their game worse with every patch and there IS a brawling mode for pvp :>

Shadow – your idea is interesting, but what would be the purpose of this form of points? How would it gratify? You get more points if you upgrade more stuff compared to your enemy? Its something quite different then owning land.

your argument was made first by Devon Carver.. thats why i said droppign the carver, yes you did. Lets see: At this moment nightcapping players are way more valuable to ppt then primetime players. You even say that is true. But then you say you dont want to devalue the offpeak players time – ok Babs.. now you just have to explain how you want to make any changes to the ppt system without devaluing one player’s time or another – because thats absolutely impossible. or you can say you dont want any changes to the system – thats fine, your opinion – granted. but then stay the kitten out of this thread and don troll me with the Carver argument.

“Then suck it up. But stop making kittenty proposals to make your time more valuable then another.”

wow you dropping the carver on me? shows you dont understand how the scoring works even after 3 years of playing, babs. offpeak players time IS already more valuable in terms of ppt. ppk is fair.. ppt is not. thats why changes are needed.

Yeah it would be more accurate – but then you have a system which can be influenced by players themselves – logging on and off, going afk or not, multiboxing etc. – leaves open a lot of holes for abuse / drama.

This isnt a fix, its just a quick and easy adjustment which will punish offpeak-points and makes sure primetime population counts something in a matchup.

6pm-12pm Primetime – PPT value 100% – full PPK
12pm-6pm Offpeak – PPT value 25% – full PPK

6pm every day: “Primetime Reset” – For equal terms in primetime – all borders and EB have their upgrade status reset and belong to their respective owner now (just like the reset we know).

bannering thread..

Queue on Primtime, zero players on offpeak – GH in a nutshell.

Join us for teh sweg. Folks be chill on GH.

DeusVI.7942:

Why are you trying to play a controll, dps class as a healer tho?
The build is just pathetic imo.

The only warrior build banned from all duelling areas and viable in top tier anywhere was celestial shout warrior, which was sustain bunker build with condition elements or even completely condition based in shaman version. It was basically a healing build, big sustain and converting conditions to further increase defense was the core of it and it never had anything to do with Anet’s class decription, well execept for the “sturdy body” part. Don’t limit yourself to some picture of the class you might have..

We dont need no small sustain buff to buff a niche build, we need all damage dealt in wvw reduced by about 50% – that would make the game a lot more fun instantly and warrior would be back in his role instead of having their “sturdy body” 2shotted by thief or whatever.

Great thread.

How to get good in pvp:

Step 1: Set your Hotkeys (WASD, §, 1-5, Q, E, R, F, Y, C, V, easily accessible mouse buttons) (Gaming mouse for GW2 is optional, there arent that many keys compared to, say, WoW) Dont only pay attention to skills, but have your movement and especially camera movement set up aswell).. in gw2 it means rebinding turning to strafing and holding right mouse click to look around while moving.

Step 2: Muscle Memory and movement skills – with your keys set up its time to dip into some easy repeatable gameplay to train those keys into your fingers. Over time you wont have to use your brain anymore, wanting something will mean pressing the according key automatically – from my experience this takes a few days at most). Change around stuff untill you are comfortable.

Step 3: Role – with the basic steering nailed, its time to find the role / class / build / gear / skill setup you want, are comfortable with, even maybe matches your personality – but also works overall as a build in terms of being competitive with other builds – having huge healing is nice as your skill level and understanding of the game progresses you will also want to kill someone Generally the most competitive builds are called “meta” and there are internet sites collecting those, a short google search should help you out.

Step 4: Training – now comes the “high art” – skill rotations, knowledge about other classes, min/maxing your build to get the stats you want/need – everyone is their own master here and while the other 3 steps are mandatory, kind of easy and straightforward – this is where you craft your own skill level and includes everythign you can think of to get better. For starting out in pvp its great to have a patient buddy who will let you try out your moves without punishing you at his leisure.

Burr you get my vote, skullcrack those devs and drag ’em to your basement.

GH is playing EB only while AM is capping all the borders except where FSP stops them. The scores dont reflect the manpower that much this week because GH plays only 1 of 4 maps.

Chaba.5410:

So what?

I guess as an older person it seems like a lot of you make a mountain out of a mole hill.

Yes, you should be friendly to others if you expect them to be friendly to you because they outnumber you. That is nothing new. Politeness was not invented in modern times. Negativity does nothing progressive. Do you think this historic event was the result of negativity? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pillaOxGCo Without failure no one can learn to how proceed.

Amen… o7 Here, have some videos aswell:

Politeness becomes stupid if the one adressed does not listen.

he was a complete failure as a wvw dev, but he says some true words about modern times, how people have to be friendly and constructive all the time to get into the closed circles of the powers that be in business. basically how you cant expect a thing from people in charge except them knowing how to smile and nod and fire / ban / close you down while thinking they got it all figured out.

I fully expected the new map to be kitten after seeing what the devs managed to do in a full 3 years.. still, the point for me was the same as for the other tenthousands of players who have quit WvW during the last 3 years. Scoring, coverage, balance.. WvW basically being a non-competitive Sandbox and therefor gradually turning in a reward-machine… #1 issue since day one.

I’m not even mad at the devs, the world is full of incompetence and you shouldnt blame people for not knowing better, i congratulate them on getting the job.. as usual i’m mad at capitalism which makes it that game devs of large companies get hired by some human ressources people who never even played a game in their life and measure the ability of the people they hire by some diploma they bring or how their communication skills are and how they present themselves, kitten like that.

Well yeah so i checked HoT news, saw there was nothing in it for #1 issue.. deleted shortcut on desktop and havent logged in since.

Gunnar’s is a server worth fighting for. It made me get up at 4am at some point just to take 2nd place off FSP in season 2. I stood there at the cannon waiting for their pvd zerg to hit our hills.. gave those kitteners a 1 hour fight untill the 4 of us had no shells left, but stopped them from taking any other keeps because dawn was coming and with it GH was coming alive again. Never thought i would get up in the middle of the night for an mmorpg competition but there i was for Gunnar’s Hold. Now that i’ve quit the game with HoT i’m still looking at the ticks and forum chat every day and feel like a deserter Gunnar’s isnt for crybabies and people who want to get carried by offpeak pvd.. GH fights with teeth and claw for their place in silver and many a foe have praised us for the enjoyment we deliver. Not only to ourselves, but also to our enemies.

Soooo you did 2 hours of PVD for ppt and then busted some rams defending your garri, all of this while not having a single open field fight – and you had a blast.

Quitting GW2 when HoT launches untill they’ve fixed coverage / nightcapping in WvW. Will buy HoT and return when/if it gets fixed.

its friday 5 pm work is out.. “oh kitten they got a bug on EU WvW reset”.. “john, you doing it?”.. “screw you mike i did it the last 3 times and took me all kitten evening, my woman got mad as hell” .. “dude im going out to watch the new terminator movie, how about brian?” .. “brian, yo?” ..“GTFO mike”… mike thinks… “guys i got a WONDERFULL idea, lets move wvw reset to somewhen after business hours so we can not give a kitten untill monday morning”.. “nice one mike”

sooo lets see if bugs during reset will still get adressed before monday after this change xD

you forgot some terrible changes that pretty much destroyed the old WvW 2 months into live:

- buffed AC damage against players and lowered against other siege
- decreased gate health
- removed projectile block by player skills

later they also:

- capped AOE damage targets

Then came WvW-masteries which among other things:

- buffed ram damage
- buffed AC damage again

-> these changes are among the main culprits for the disgusting blob-ktrain wvw is mostly today.

Gunnar’s Hold (GH) Recruitment

We are looking for:

- 2 x EU Primetime guild (running 15-25)
- 1 x NA Primetime guild (cover 4am-9am EU time)
- EU Offpeak Pugmanders (TS or non-TS)
- EU Offpeak Players
- 1 x EU Primetime Pugmander (TS only, ~2 days a week)

We offer:

-Lots of experienced raiding/gvg guilds running 10-25
-Lots of experienced roamers and small roaming guilds
-Lots of PuGs in EB (usually Queue if TS commander is present in primetime)
-Dedicated home defending guild
-A community homepage and community Teamspeak
-A small transfer price for all you poor hardcore-WvWers out there <3

Check us out on http://www.gunnars-hold.eu

Greetings from GH

“This is a prime example of an unreasonable blanket complaint. Conditions are fine as a whole. The issue in this case is with mesmers ability to stack them to high, too fast with certain combinations of food, runes, sigils, weapon set, and traits. It has nothing to do with conditions themselves, so to make that blanket complaint, serves to offer no real constructive talking point.”

that might be your opinion… i dont think conditions/cleansing are fine and neither think its a mesmer-only problem.

- condi damge is over top
- stealth on mesmer is ridiculous atm
- perplexity still needs to go

made this rabid pu plex mesmer – steamrolled everyone in roaming on first day pressing random buttons and having forgot to pick traits… yeah. lots of roamers do the right thing and just run away when they see my torch… gg. the kitten balance right now is really amazing.

@Mishi no they should count about the same and not 10 times more per player online. thats why ppk.

get your butts out of bed at morning 7 and start ppt like the other servers if you want a ranking gain to not get these matchups. we have primetime of a high ranked silver/ even gold league server but our offpeak is still bronze and thats 2/3 of the day… sucks kitten but anet doesnt seem to want to do anything against throwing points at 10 people just because they get up when nobody else plays…

#gh recruiting ppt-loving early birds

i kinda agree with OP, wvw was better in 2012 then now.

roaming is ruined by stealth / confusion
siege wars ruined by changes to rams / ACs / removal of projectile blocks
level playing field – ruined by power creep through wvw masteries, food, ascended
zerg fights ruined by changes to aoe cap, stability
scouting ruined by 25 for orange swords / OP rams

about the only thing thats better now is the lag and the siege timers.. oh and the grey names of dead people…. besides that – wvw got constantly worse.

Status Update:

Primetime is well populated (guilds on borders, pugs in eb) but lacks Teamspeak Commanders for our public blob in EB.

2 am – 2 pm lacks Karmanders and TS Commanders – and could use more players aswell.

Greetings from the Hold