Guild Wars 2

“Once upon a time WvW was place where u played with your team, helped you team, played for win, where u fought and killed reds with your team members.”

and then you left GH – suffer as you deserve

Hello NA players and players from other far-away places! And people actually working in the night!

Gunnar’s Hold, EU’s worst coverage server is looking for backup! Our primetime doesnt need help, is actually strong as hell, but all other 20 hours of the day called repeatedly with a very sad tone of voice and said they need you on GH asap!

Gunnar’s Hold is an ex Bronze-Server who pushed its way up into Silver with a lot of active guilds raiding every evening and a community which covers a lot of aspects of GW2. Visit us at our forum gunnars-hold.eu and see for yourselves, why not post a greeting in the “Outsiders” section for example!

We are looking for (in descending order):

- Teamspeak PUG Commanders (All times of the day, especially offpeak)
- Guilds (Offpeak only)
- PUGs (Offpeak only)

(Basically everyone not playing at 7-11 pm EU central time)

We are not looking for:

- Guilds/PUGS which raid at primetime only
- Commanders who dont use Teamspeak

(we have plenty of those already

Gunnar’s Hold is famous for a lot of roamers and guilds sized 10-20. Few of us care a lot about PPT, but we like our waypoints of course and we are in need of PPT aswell to not drop down to servers who cant match our power in primetime. We welcome anyone helping us out in the dire offpeak hours when our T3 is made paper and our ppt lead from the evening before is crushed. For commanders who might be interested let me tell you that it takes a while to win the hearts of the GH pugs, but when they know you you will be amazed of what a powerfull and supportive force they can become.

You might ask why the hell would any offpeak players join GH just to get steamrolled because of weak coverage. Well kitten me, i have no idea. I can only say GH needs you nonetheless And sorry but we wont pay gold for transfers :P

Greetings from a concerned player

Interesting build variation, but looks quite weak tbh. At least move the traits from arms to discipline? Faster weapon swap and mobile strikes are very usefull for warrior with 1h sword. Condi bunker variation is in my sig if you want to try :P

im not a top pvp player, but as a long time shout warrior i am still working on these things:

- condition managment (esp. traited warhorn)
- landing the pindown and final thrust
- maintaining might stacks / burns

whats in it for the fsp? sounds like work.

Steph here, have some more sugar xD You can be glad this isnt real life – id rifle butt you from behind and take you home and hang you on the wall in a pink, nay blue heart frame.

warriors interrupts are on power-based weapons and that trait is the only confusion warrior can apply without perplexity.. pretty bad over all compared to other classes running plex but still broken enough to kill 80% of the wvw population xD

you cant compare pvp with wvw… there is a kittenton of builds viable in WvW because of stats, food etc. which dont work at all in pvp. for example cele shoutbow is inferior to pure condition shoutbow in wvw just because you can build apothecary with any stat distribution you want and for example eat koi cakes for free 40% damage and basically roll 2k condi damage while building for full survivability, not even taking into account all the broken sigils, masteries and runes that dont even exist in spvp. take hambow – 65% condition duration reduction, 98% on movement impairing condis… just because of food not available in spvp. so we should make clear if we are talking about wvw or spvp because usually the argument only works for one of the two.

i am aware the title is about spvp, but it seems to me some posts are talking about wvw.

usually something like PTV armor with zerker weapons / trinkets.

hambow isnt autowin against shoutbow… hambow can be kited forever by shoutbow if needed and if you land a pindown wombo combo after waiting out zerker stance they might just fall over. id say 60% favoured hambow, but pro shoutbow player can win 100% with (lame) kiting.

anyways thats just full zerker hambow, any other stats will get their butt handed to them by shoutbow.

i frequently 1hit people in wvw with killshot. one second they are enjoying their 14-15k base health zerker ele or whatever.. a fraction of a second later they are downed on the ground. most times they dont even see what hit them, me being a 2 inch asura female. that is fun. also nothing puts out dps like using a piercing volley into a guild group restacking, zomg the numbers or just killshotting the driver and following up with a volley.. see how their coordination collapses when the driver is trying to save his butt from 2k crits every second.. I can say without getting red – rifle is the hardest weapon to play by standards of watching your surroundings, positioning, when to fire and when to keep it quieet – basically tactical thinking in wvw – and it has the most impact potential when you can get your thumb on the sweet spot and keep pressing. Just try not to stand out (asura!) because a sniper seen is a sniper soon to be dead.

my best moment was when i went to see what contested our paper hills and a small group of players was walking to north inner hills with a golem when i arrived – feared at least 3 of them over the cliff with one “fear me”, killed the remaining and then took care of the golem all by myself :> its these moments when you wish you had a screen recorder running all day long.

nothing can 1v2 against opponents of similar skill level except burst thief. warrior has a bigger variety of working builds for roaming than guardian and isnt in a bad spot overall.

koi cake for +40% condition duration. poison swap sigil on bow. stacking condition damage sigil on offhand. ditch your offhand sword, grab warhorn and forget about dwayna, instead focus on converting poison with warhorn / proc dogged march for the regen. use trooper runes with shouts and dont overstack healing power, 1k is enough, put the rest into condi dmg > toughness > precision. also learn to stack might on yourself with longbow F1 into longbow 3 into warhorn 5, you should be able to maintain 14 stacks = 420 additional condi dmg. and always leap when the firefield is about to run out to proc fire shield for additional burns untill your firefield is up again. also get the tuning crystals for even more condi damage as 2nd food effect.

“You can’t just make it harder for players to move to a server. You have to give them a reason to want to go somewhere else.”

UHM….

on topic.. should have been done since launch.

the way to do this is remove AOE cap. but servers cant handle it and you will have massive lag where you cant cast skills (you still get it now in big 3 way fights) like on start of game. game is badly designed for mass pvp, lots of skills do lots of very small numbrs (5-20) damage but you cant remove them because they also apply effects. (think of necro pets, mesmer clones.. if you look at damage logs you will see what i mean).

use fear me to set up pindown combo, send people over cliff, stop them from soft rezzing, get a small break to sustain, disengage from ganking or just as additional heal when all things fail. use balanced stance for.. stomp?

shoutheal is the only sustaining warrior build that works (i hear the banner warriors but but.. nope!)

Omegas are only really in danger from 3 things:

- Cannons (easy to clear)
- Mortars with explosive shells (low fire rate)
- A bigger zerg then your own

They are basically for steamrolling when you outnumber the enemy.

pounding all enemy servers into the dust during primetime – but not getting any ppt because we get capped by 10-15 people in the early morning and ticking 5-100 when the GH is sleeping. NA guilds, morning players – save us from kittenty opponents please.

tl;dr: primetime good, offpeak bad. http://www.gunnars-hold.eu join the vikings, bring your hammer.

vulnerability to protection against power based classes, poison to regen against conditions.

the most important/skillfull part is to convert the right conditions into the boons you need and use the right amount of cleanse for that. also dont waste condi cleanse from shouts / cleansing ire on movement impairing conditions if your warhorn 4 is ready. smoldering arrow also is better then its first impression to a. bait dodges because it looks like pindown and b. avoid some evil hit instead of dodging it, the cast time is only 1/4.

its the “interesting mechanics” part im really afraid of and smells of gimmicks and pve. wvwers want big fights, thats all. also.. was there really ANY positive feedback about the vertical design? because all i remember was threads about how skyhammer needs to go out of spvp rotation because of that. EOTM isnt even considered WvW by wvw players, just a replacement for queensdale karma trains, i wonder what “lessons” they learned…

the really burning issues of wvw players like coverage and hacking are not adressed at all. of course i will still buy the addon because 60 bucks is nothing to me.. but am i looking forward to it, excited? not at all, i fear we will look back to this day and remember the good old wvw as it is now.

with defiant stance you cant have enough health and armor – full ptv, runes of exuberance, stances, sigil of intelligence, 2 0 6 0 6 or basically whatever traits (aslong as stance duration).. 35k+ health, 3k+ armor – charge that enemy blob alone and still survive a good 20 seconds while your health bar goes 30k down.. and 30k up again.. and 30k down again counting with a steady dps during the stances they need to hit you for a good 150k-200k of damage. on top of that i’ve seen backbreaker crits of 5k+ (5.6k being highest, thats with exotic gear + asc trinkets).

Hey guys.

To my knowledge the NA population on GH is zero nada nothing ;p We always have been wiped out every morning (EU time), but the Gunnars dont even care anymore. A 20 man NA guild doing daily raids would seriously push us up the ladder because it would eliminate our weak spot. if you look at our tick history in mos millenium you will see what i mean.

What do you mean with decent? The strongest guild is KISS, the best fighters – i have no idea. We have a lot of guilds running 10-20 people. In primetime you will find anything from 4-8 guild raiding, depending on the day (also not always the same guilds). KISS runs 20-30 afaik. primetime on GH is about 8-12 with a strong presence up to 2 am, longer on weekends.

The most notable feature lately is an increased teamspeak-pugmander presence which now covers most of the day.

bumping for gunnar like an oslaf.

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“but with the toughness I find that most DoT’s don’t actually hurt that much”

armor doesnt reduce damage of conditions

for the purpose of your build.. maybe cavalier stats and sigil of intelligence (why not couple it with sigil of fire) would be suited to your taste. you can drop the big bow 3 bomb after switching weapons or get that guaranteed crit on eviscerate and still remain comfortably tanky. i find precision to be a generally bad stat for warrior because of the abundance of fury and things like sigil of intelligence or guaranteed crit on burst trait.

I name Discharged Guard from [KISS] and Mr Purrrbulous the Pugmander of GH as my favourites. Not afraid to tag up when things are going kitten, thats what i respect most in a commander. Discharged Guard with his core team around him can hold a map on his own and if its open raid its just steamrollerino time! Mr Purrrbulous knows how to get the best out of the (pretty terrible) GH pugs and will push straight into the backline of a 50 man blob with 2 more Melees (or alone if need be). Both are good fun, though purrr can be a bit of whiny kitten for no reason depending on his daily mood. (wat? wat?) still loving those guys. We have more excellent commanders, but i will restrict the list to these two who tag up pretty much every day.

read the terms of service. they can do whatever they want aslong as they dont manipulate the client. those guys will never get banned so put them on your ignore list and dont give them any attention, thats all they want.

@ChoBo spamming useless siege as in building 20 rams in our keep. not just dropping blueprints.

excuse me? manual labour? for wvw? aint gonna happen.

on a serious note its better then the first system where you played the same servers every week.. but still far from good as this posts proves.. variety should be 2 up 2 down or something, not 5 up.

yeah im kinda glad i started when everyone was upscaled and had no clue what they were doing. going into wvw now as a newbie is really deadly, most of the players you meet have been playing a long time, probably have ascended gear, more or less proper builds and a huge amount of experience. i dont see me having a good time as a fresh level 80 checking out the maps, getting instant-killed by invisible people or get steamrolled by melee trains, it must be frustrating. here is a video of when it all started, you see how much different wvw was before people figured out how to be efficient, i also think it was a lot more fun:

banners need to have a change in mechanic so you dont have to pick them up and carry them around and the longbow traits needs to be moved or changed or something. atm they are useless. also the tactics minors.. yuck. besides that i agree with paavotar ^^

the perplexity runes have 15 seconds cooldown on that mechanic. spamming interrupt does nothing,,1 well timed is all you need and fear me is the best way to apply it of all warrior skills – if you miss it, its very bad, yes – but thats about skill and you still have one backup try with shield. of course i have healing power, the build is only toughness, condi damage and healing power, nothing else. this build doesnt rely on the confusion, thats the point of it, its a CONDITION build. all those mace builds, they rely on the interrupt because either their weapons wont do any damage or the condition variety and intensity is lacking.. except celestial.. but like i said, celestial is not an option. i dont have any laurels left atm and wont ever be grinding pve stuff to craft armor and weapons.

if you want to make a celestial perplexity build.. be my guest. but this thread is not about that… its a pure apothecary build with sword / shield / longbow. eveyrthing else is up for debate. but surely not discarding the build. while it might be your valid opinion, it still has no place in this thread.

the shout healing is 210ish hps on its own with my current gear (13k / 60). i have 3k armor, 23k health and 1.5k condition damage, swiftness uptime is 2/3 (32/48). and thats with gear still featuring a lot of useless precision (1240). thats without any stacks.

have you ever tried a perplexity build, killah? because the advice you give.. it sounds like you play mostly power builds and are not at home in the condi department. i would NEVER recommend anyone playing warrior a dire build, its generally terrible to no end and it doesnt take a lot of experience to figure that out tbh. also stances on a condi build… >.<

the idea of the build is to make a condition build so the confusion actually hurts (with 12 stacks currently they get more then 2.3k damage per action) – and so do the other conditions which i am free to apply when they cant do anything.

hybrid is not an option because i dont have cele gear. if i had cele gear, yeah, i would make a very different build and i would probably come back to power weapons.

about cripple and stuff – i have the option to go trait II in strength. with running signet mastery the cooldown is 16 seconds and then tradeoff not that terrible anymore (healing almost 4k).

generally: please guys… i’m not looking for other perplexity builds… i want to make this one as good as i can. i had the same problem with my first build (healing shout swordhorn / bow), people think they can discard stuff they dont know. check signature august 2013 i started to play the build that is now meta. i’m not saying this will be the new meta build, but please dont act like im totally clueless. so if you dont want to help working on this build… then please dont post because i feel i should answer all arguments made.

good suggestions so far on the sigils though, frailty and energy are both good choices. especially frailty lets me take FGJ which has even lower cooldown and adds might.

chess mode: all skills get 1500 range. all skills apply immobilize for 10 seconds. duration reduction on conditions does not work.

you are right, some hard tradeoffs had to be made. but going 20 into defense is hardly any sustain. 500 health every 5 seconds is something, but with a longbow build you wont sit on any adrenaline, so you can count on about 200ish regen every 3 seconds average which is absolutely nothing. fear me cant get blocked and is instant cast, aslong as you watch for stability, blind and invulnerability there is no problem applying the interrupt with it. different for shield of course. the cleansing is a problem, but i have a full cleanse every 36 seconds and the shield to protect me untill i can apply an interrupt. shout healing with 3 shouts (1 passive) on the other hand – is some serious sustain and applies another cover condition (vulnerability with 2/3 uptime). fear me is also the only skill to apply an interrupt against really good players. for adrenaline build up.. its not important for this build to have fast adrenaline and cleansing ire does little because the joke of the build is your enemy cant hit you. once the fight gets underway i will swing my sword and get it that way. the main problem is the cleanse, but from the 1 day i played this build.. without shout healing you have zero sustain and you cant take anything out of all the time your enemy is unable to act because of confusion… also where would you put the stats? toughness, condi damage, healing power.. so healing shouts or banner it is – or waste your stats or take other bad stats like precision which are useless for this build.

i was thinking pretty much like you and my 2nd try was about what you suggest – 20 points in defense, no tactics… but try it and you will change your mind REAL quick.

the one and only reason i made this build is to kill other perplexity scrubs who insult me when they win a duel where i cant do anything because i have 10 stacks of confusion and 7 more cover conditons on me. if someone wants to play the confusion game… this is my answer for them.

to the post below from Tseikk: i think that is an on-crit sigil? i dont have any crit chance..

hi, im not aware of anyone streaming wvw anymore on gunnars hold since a long time.

but better to ask at www.gunnars-hold.eu then here.

only a wvw player can violate your game mode.

only some standard emotes can be seen, the stuff you type ends up as “..invader gestures” or something.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fJAQNAseTnMdQpgW4BueAnIG4IoMGA3syvoLSPE5dRA

next try.

turns out fear me is a great interrupt because its instant and cannot be blocked. shout healing for the sustain. signet for cleanse because 0 points in defense now.

you made a comment with no comment in it. good stuff.

on another note i dropped the banner already -it simply doesnt work in wvw, there is too much movement and the banner rush doesnt work as a disengage. right now im 30 points in defense trying the stunbreak trait along with dolyak signet.

the aim of this build is to run conditions weapons and get the interrupts from utilties / shield. i’m not looking for alternative weapon choices tbh.

1st version (crap): http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fJAQNAseTjMdU4ZVHGgwJiAjgyYAkzX0FGpvhgYJA

2nd version:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fJAQNAseTnMdQpgW4BueAnIG4IoMGA3syvoLSPE5dRA

using perplexity runes.

what do you guys think?

notable features:

- condition weapons
- interrupt with fear me and shield 4
- good sustain with shout healing (apothecary stats)
- bad cleanse (signet only)
- good mobility with 1h sword (wvw necessity imo)

what kind of sigils would you pick for this? and maybe anyone has an idea to get better condi cleanse then signet without killing the rest of the build?

the core idea of the build is to use sword instead of mace to remain mobile and have real condition weapons to backup the confusion. this build has actually less interrupts then the ICD of perplexity would suggest.. so these need not be spammed but used carefully at the right moment. if done so, only after 45 seconds you do not have an interrupt when the cooldown finishes.

thanks for your opinion, you are so much above us and even care to be honest for a paragraph. also, at the time you quit, issues were totally different, there surely wasnt a 3000 posts thread on the top of the wvw forum about exactly this issue which got subsequently locked away by Anet.

Yo guys visit our new server community forum green-color-wvw.eu.

EOTM isnt karma train because of the map design, but because its mega-server system where nobody gives a kitten because there is no “we”, just “me”.

There are plenty of solutions in this forum for the population problem and the ppt problem, they just have to be implemented.

i make good arguments which totally dont work for both sides of the dicussion because they do never only project my own moral judgement to make others look bad and selfish.

Of course the few nightcappers time IS more valuable in terms of ppt then time of the huge amount of day players. that’s why everyone laughed at Devon for making that argument. Maybe you should think something through before repeating it.

But yeah.. get used to it, it wont change since “WvW is not a competitive game mode”, also stated by Anet.

build for every last condi removal possible or just run away. confusion is a dumb mechanic.

We have a strong primetime again thanks to transfers and especially thanks to some people on GH still not quitting this kitten game and going out every night to kick butt and get bags. Also our commander coverage has increased a lot during the last months. We finally got them (short) queues on EB again in primetime and we can fill another map aswell, sometimes even more

We are still looking for more guilds and players, especially in offpeak – as this rank 14 we are now is still dangerously close to the “dead” matchups. Especially offpeak players / guilds would be welcome with cookies and milk (cough) as its our weakest point.

Visit us at www.gunnars-hold.eu and see what we are all about!

GH Promotional Video explaining our best tactics and strategies:

OP some posts ago, talking about warrior:

“The skill floor isn’t even that low, you’ve never tried mace specs that chain CC while dps’ing.

You probably base your crap off of shoutbow and hambow, but I can’t really blame casual people who are scared to play the hard builds though.”