Guild Wars 2

SlimChance.6593:

Um, Your missing another profession that has to “earn their resource through combat”.

And this seems to be a “fix” to me. And I mean “fix” similar to how the the Mesmer’s iLeap no longer can swap to the clone’s last position. i.e." the clone must still exist to swap to it" change that happened awhile back.

Yea-Yuh

Chaos Archangel.5071:

I’m leaving work, and thus not much time to comment, but I’m not so certain your trait spread is optimal. For one, BI is a must-have in a boonshare build, thats 5x might AND a random boon on interrupt, even if you’re only interrupting with C-storm it’ll pay off when you Stormshare (Chaos Storm + Signet)

The Restorative Mantras healing idea can work, but with both shattered conditions and vigorous revelations you’re going to badly need DE for clone fodder. Healing power scales lousy with Restorative, but I dunno how it works with the runes/sigils otherwise I’d lean towards Rabid ammy (or even, maybe, a hybrid?)

Also PU is holding you back if you’re only taking it for the boons. It’s not worth it over DE.

Keep tweaking though, you’re on to something.

Okay ill take BI, thanks chaos. But for DE, as I’ve said, Vigor Shatter works with only 1 clone because it procs with per shatter mechanic you use, not with the number of clones. The shattered conditions definitely works better with DE, but yea, i think with AA, phase retreat, torment block, phantasms would suffice.

Yes’ I’m getting PU for the boons but I also got it to increase survivability of the user, because once focused, it will be over, so no more support for the party.

I will test it with DE and tell you the results! Thanks chaos!

Noah.9654:

I like how this build is different and shows a cooler support side of the Mesmer, but I feel like this would be more useful in medium-sized roaming parties in WvW. I say this because this build’s success seems to hinge on having a partner to share your boons with and support which could hinder your team if you’re up against a coordinated premade. That coupled with the fact that PU is bad at holding points (but good for this build) would essentially make it a 4.5v5 in conquest.

If you don’t mind, I would love to try using this in WvW or Courtyard in PvP as I can see real potential for this build in deathmatch!

Edit: I think Null Field over MoP could be really useful if you really wanna get into supporting teammates!

Of course! go ahead.
The reason I got MoP is because for its low CD, and you will be able to spam it with Restorative Mantras Trait. Null is good for boon strip and Condi Cleanse but on a 40 sec cd ( i think).

As you’ve said, I made this build entirely for supporting your partner. For example, I run shatter mes most of the time in spvp, so I could take care of the boonstrip and Burst part, my partner will take care of healing, defense, condi cleanse, and the additional condi pressure.

Ryan.9387:

Dojo.1867:

Sol.4310:

Signet of hunt, for me something like next 5 attack are unblock able so they can still counter you using blinds, dodge and invons now that would really help with melee builds would also combo better with signet of wild meaning hunt would be worth taking in some builds.

What do you think about letting the next 5 attacks daze for 0.5 sec each.

So to get this straight.
1s stun (autoattack1)
2s stun (autoattack2)
3s stun (autoattack3)
4s stun (autoattack4)
5s stun (autoattack5)
6s stun (hilt bash)
9s boarf2 or wolf fear
11s-13s chain stun ends.
Throw in shortbow 5 for extra 2s stun.

Please no.

First off Daze is not the same as stun. I hope you realize that.
Second,. I do agree the 5 attacks 0.5 daze is overkill with Moment of Clarity
Thats 5 seconds daze in total or 6 with SB#5

The one i quoted make it seem its 15 seconds of stun when clearly its not.
3 attacks would be nice. Since SoH will be on CD because you activate its Active. if I may incur Dojo only suggests on changing the active not the passive (%movspd).

This is clearly exaggeration.

bump thread fix

Since I was bored, I made this build for an OMFG member.

My inspiration was the concept of the Chaos Maestro Build.

Changed my build, Healing power scales Horrendously with Restorative Mantras (Thanks Chaos!)

http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQNAW8dl0npEtFqxANcrNCuBZ6J0gRe6R0ibUqAA-TJhIABy+EAA4iAcy+DDXGAA

I got Bountiful Disillusionment, For the boons, (Again only takes 1 clone to proc)
Changed to a power spec and got Focus for the AoE interrupt (For BI Synergy)
I was hoping to get rabid (But I do not have the Sharper Images Trait)
I leaned to a power spec because it will benefit my phants too so I could help group fights. Also pow Benefits Retal.(Altho it has been nerfed to the ground)
Removed PU (Chaos’ Suggestion, but I have no Idea what survivability this build has)
Added Disenchanter for Boonstrip and Additional Condi Cleanse (Dondragora’s Suggestion, Disenchanter could also be used for fodder)
Runes of the Pack for AOE, Might Fury Swiftness)

Yes I have shatter traits and no DE.

Vigorous Revelation procs even with 1 clone for the full effect
Shattered Conditions is beneficial even with 1 or 2 clones.

*Disenchanter can be changed for Decoy for survivability
*Could go 0 into dueling (-100 prec, fury on phant, even tho i have 46% base crit chance) and go into Dom (+100 power and Signet Mastery or Phantasm Trait) or go into Illu (Retaliation trait with Reduced Shatter Cds)

So what you guys think?

Update

Swapped Chaotic Dampening With Bountiful Interruption
I also think Soldier’s Amy is a better choice? Maybe?

Chaos Archangel.5071:

Tealots I’m coming to test your Mesmer gangsta at 10pm EST!

… Estimated.

You’ll be surprised how good tealot is now! mwahahaha.!

Chaos Archangel.5071:

Oh that!

Wat!? You and skcamow were the ones who pushed that build into the light! In fact, you two pushed my CS build OUT of the limelight with that build, which has become staple. =P

Hell if it weren’t for the efforts of you, myself, skcamow, Warlord of Chaos, and theCOREYCOLAK (where are you my favorite troll!?) lockdown mesmer wouldn’t be as well known as they are now. You’re a pioneer fool! (and also that was like the first build I thought to put here but since it’s variants have become so mainstream I was going for more oddly-traited builds)

But yer shatterlock beat it on the Build of the month! haha, anyway chaos, thank you, as long as its you crediting us, I am forever happy.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Phantasmic-Interruptions-Phantasm-Lockdown/first

This was the build. the original 4/4/6 Interrupt build.

But yeah people just refer it to the 4/4/6 CI build. I (&Skcamow) didnt get any credit for devising the build.

I want an Aaxtxe! maybe a pull f2 (black portal thingy like Enigma’s Blackhole from Dota) and maybe confusion or Direct damage.

Why is my build not here? Does it mean it did shine? lol.

Chaos Archangel.5071:

Calliope pulled me from Xbox One. =P I’ll be on tonight and this weekend.

Woohoo. Can’t wait to see you. I just hopped back on my mes and playing shatter. I missed it. Having a duel with you and the other OMFG guys will certainly revitalize my love for my mesmer.

insaneseagull.7063:

StickerHappy.8052:

Im bored, anyone have unique or new builds i could test? this is for spvp btw.

Why don’t you create something for yourself? It’ll probably be unique and new,like you want Besides,might be a good learning experience as well

I do have a lot of builds already, played them in maximum extent at higher rated pvp settings. But yeah, I’m looking for something new, something not generic clone-spam thingy.

Dondagora.9645:

Here’s an odd something: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQNAsdRlknpVtlqxMNcrNSphc6nNjiqykOwhEA-TJhFwAAOFAE3fAaZgEPBAA

It may not be super-effective, but I suspect it’ll be a fun build to mess around with. This is a sort of control-condition build where you try to catch your target[s] in a field, have them run out, then pull/push them back in, putting confusion on them each time. And during all this, kite them and put some phantasms on them, crippling them and hindering their movement to help your survivability.

This looks interesting. I’ll give it a shot. Anywho, ever tried replacing illu V with dazzling glamours? That blind trait is really strong for control.

Chaos Archangel.5071:

@Blackari: Glad you enjoy! I actually haven’t used CS in quite some time, it is a hell of a lot of fun though, especially when you have Signet of Domination mixed in somewhere.

@Schattenlied: Double ranged may actually be one of the best bets for CS, especially with it being so squishy. If I didn’t absolutely love the aesthetic of two swords, I’d give it a run.

@Snakebyte: SlimChance pretty much said it best, and yeah I’d advise the speed sigil. Offhand Sword or Pistol is the best to use Confounding Suggestions with, and the extra daze/stun on a decent cooldown makes a big difference.

Are you still playing?…Lets duel or que… let’s go…

Im bored, anyone have unique or new builds i could test? this is for spvp btw.

infantrydiv.1620:

Did you download start really fast? I did this and I’ve gotten farther into download now than before, but it’s still exceedingly slow compared to normal.

Yes Im in game now. Are you seeing the DL bar now?

1.) if you ever used that fix from reddit before

Run As Admin Notepad
Open that File
Remove 74.35.56.164 assetcdn.101.arenanetworks.com
Save
It must not prompt you to save as a new file

2.) press windows key +R
type cmd
type ipconfig/flushdns

3.)Turn off windows firewall

4.) Launch gw2 launcher

5.) Hope it works for you, worked for me.

Thanks To Koga Phantom!

KogaPhantom.1846:

try going back to this step

The Fix:
Edit C:\Windows\System32\Drivers\etc\hosts using notepad (run as administrator)
Add this line at the bottom: 174.35.56.164 assetcdn.101.arenanetworks.com

and remove that address and then open command prompt and do ipconfig /flushdns
then close it then disable your windows firewall and if you have a antivirus firewall running to try disabling it then once if it works then you can turn them back on after its done downloading and patching

I used that fix on the last patch, when i open notepad the address is already there, do you want me to add 1 more line? or remove the address?

Healix.5819:

mage.3570:

Yes, removed the line now, and now its blazing fast. If ANET server guys are reading this, they must have one sick mind to mess with community solutions.

GW2 uses a CDN to deliver patches, which is basically a bunch of servers in different locations. Normally, the closest server to your location is chosen. That “fix” however was forcing you to connect to a specific server. The reason you would want to do this is to bypass a bad server that was either overloaded or experiencing problems. You wouldn’t however want to leave this fix in permanently because as you’ve seen, the servers can change. ArenaNet does not have control over this – it’s not their servers.

Before hardcoding in a specific IP, flush your DNS cache, then try a different DNS server, such as Google’s.

For the not tech savvy people, what do we do to fix this in lay man’s terms.

Wow is this on Ultra or High settings? The video looks good on 1080p

infantrydiv.1620:

Reddit fix does not work for me. I’m trying to connect from Central Indiana. Have exactly the problem described in the reddit post though.

I pmed the tech MoD in the forums. Hopefully we get a response. Just to clarify, i patched early today with the new pvp and all that jazz and game worked fine, but this 2nd patch is the one that is problematic.

Is this the 2nd patch for you too?

Does not work for me.

mage.3570:

As titled, I cannot update the game. The download speed is at 0 KB/s, and then goes to connection error. Have to close window, close GW2.exe manually and repeat.

I’m in northern California and I use AT&T high speed.

Frustrating.

Interesting. I have the same problem now. The fix worked for me before but not now.

Wanna know something interesting?

I’m in NorCal too, AT&T is my ISP too. crazy huh? Maybe its only us.

We will never get an answer from anet, same as last patch, i had to manually find that fix.

Can’t login too. Connection failed or something.

Build: 42696
Error Code 3032:1002:3:2933

Archon.6480:

Wanna hear a joke? Attacks in a cone and has 240 range! Ah ha ha ha ha…. Ehm. That’s funny.

Is it a drake? Lololol

ellesee.8297:

Hello frands! Vee Wee here, retired #1 Engi NA and world first rank 80!

Thanks for the feedback frands~! Vee Wee will try to get to it all soon!

My frand infantrydiv Vee Wee just copied the other condi duration runes like Grenth and Orr! Vee Wee doesn’t think 25% chance of a 2 second burn isn’t thuper op! Much better than the original turning the 6 piece bonus into a 5 second burn and giving Incendiary Powder 7 seconds of burning! Vee Wee doesn’t even use Balthazar Runes on Vee Wee’s condi build! There is no hidden agenda!

As for the other unfrandly guy! Yeah subtle changes really made the Elementalist into what it is now! Extra blast finishers for a class with the most blast finishers and combo fields in the game, the revamp and reintroduction of a powerful amulet! Also the remodeling of a runeset into one of the strongest and most widely used runes! Buffing the power of the heal skill! Really subtle changes as opposed to shaving a few seconds of skill durations and giving passive procs a visible label! Get good son!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

I thought you quit?

Ah you have a point there. I made mistake. The traits was supposed to be the enables the spirit to move and the proc bonus.

The glamour traits should be done now considering glamour has already been nerfed to the ground

If you merge it, a lot of classes will complain because you have to merge their traits too.

Ex: Trap potency & Trappers Expertise.

They should merge Glamour Master and Temporal Enchanter for a master trait too.

Unless you really want the skin, you can get the Toxic Spider Queen Mini. But yeah, it is mini. haha

So which one would be better, cele or condi amy? like dps wise.

Fay.2357:

Carighan.6758:

In total, it should be our strongest weapon, but also completely and utterly unreliable. If all you need to bring is raw power and it doesn’t matter what specifically, Staff would be the weapon of choice and Chaos the line of choice. If you need any form of control, it’s the wrong tool.

This sounds like a mindblowingly awful weapon. It would be so incredibly unfun and aggravating both to use and and to have it used on you. When you get hit, you don’t know if it’s going to just fizzle or it’s going to incapacitate you, it’s pure RNG. When you’re using it, you’re just praying to RNGesus the whole time hoping that you’ll get good effects instead of useless ones.

I hope nothing even remotely like your vision makes its way into this game or any other game I play ever.

But The daze has higher chance to proc during first pulse right?

warriorjrd.8695:

You can get a nice bleed stack with sb auto, and with the high rate of fire, even the regular damage it does, can add up quite quickly. Celestial is good with SB because sb is a kind of hybrid weapon. You can stack up tons of bleeds, crit very often with the rate of fire, and deal quite high overall DPS if you run a hybrid build.

That’s not to say cele is the only good stat that works with SB, but it maximizes both aspects of the bow.

but the sb AA scales low with power right?

Chaos.3579:

StickerHappy.8052:

Oh my point is, I mean for example i would like to build a full lockdown build with both power block and CI.

The need for DE is too great making this build not feasible, i mean yeah you could work with it but it would be tougher because of the lack of DE.

Im saying is that, DE in its state right now is almost needed on all mesmer builds, which in a sense also kills diversity.

But hey, im not against your suggestion or anything, I think its a great step for diversity.

Well I suppose the only feasible solution then would be placing DE In adept minor instead of master minor.

As well as placing sharpener images in adept selectable trait section, and critical infusion in master adept.
That would allow you to run 30, 5-10,30,?,?

In any case deceptive evasion will always have a cost in order to have it. So it should remain were the crit chance, vigor, and the rest of our solid staples are.

This is not feasible. you have 75 trait points :p

Dirame.8521:

StickerHappy.8052:

I think the main issue here is the whole mesmer mechanic is too dependent on clone production and clones in general.

Shatter needs clones
Death trait needs clones
Condis need clones for the simple fact that clone AA deal conditions

Clones are also needed for body blocking and a little bit of misdirection

I think the mesmer needs some serious revamps in major departments.

As I’ve said, Mesmer is too reliant on DE

but we also have subpar Utilities Thats why in every build you see common utilities over and over again.

I think that’s just your perception. I’ve successfully played a Mesmer condi build without DE. All it takes is for you to figure out how else you’ll be creating clones.

I dont wanna sound arrogant or anything but, would you like to put that build to test against me? I mean yeah i tried running without DE, in hotjoin it worked decent, also against unsuspecting foes, but when i go against higher rated matches and fellow mesmers from OMFG, running without DE is really hard, its like saying “Hey! Im here! hit me!” I feel so naked without it.

But again i do apologize for sounding like a scrub but I wanna see how you do it, maybe i can learn from you too! :p

Aside from the rate of fire, so why do people still use it with cele? Im just really curious, I might be missing something you know.

I see a lot of builds using SB + Cele gear.

Im just curious, aside from the stat spread of cele, does it really benefit SB that much, I mean the SB weapon skills are not that high damaging and they dont scale that better with power, so yeah just gonna ask whats the use?

Haematic.4913:

StickerHappy.8052:

Nice use of the axe. Very good video. I do have a question, when i fight eles, i have a really hard time. They have high boon up time and they heal a lot too, My damage does not seem to keep up. How do you do it? I mean im coming from an spvp point of view.

From an sPvP point of view, it’s really hard I’ll be honest with you. I too have the same issues especially in high rated matches in tPvP and yoloQ.

What I’ll do is try to remain evasive, yet apply pressure to the ele and hit them when their Armor of Earth / Protection is off, allowing me to stun / daze them and burst; then at that point attempt to rotate my poison application to reduce their heals.

Let your pet do the dirty work while you bait them out of their cantrips, and force them to use their cooldowns. I hope this helps, Eles are tough to fight; thats for sure (hell my fights were like 3 minutes long vs. ele in that video)

Edit: That is if you’re running a BM trait / build – here’s what I use in yoloQ / Team Q with my team —> http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fNAQNAR8XjMq0ya/KOsw1igDhqD7A4ASg3F7yezeu4hSkA-TpBHwAMLDU4BAY4IAA4CAE4gAUa/BA

So I’ll remain evasive in my axe, then burst with this combo (or atleast try to) : Weapon Swap, #5, #2, auto-attack (I’ll save leap for my healing spring), then at the same time, switch to Snow Owl, F2 for pet burst, chill, and quickness.

At that point you should have bursted them down far enough to scare them, and force them to heal; switch to your axe, use axe #4, then axe #5 to pull / DPS. Then re-apply poison w/ sword #3. Then switch to Jag, autoattack on your sword, let your Jag do heavy hits in stealth. Then repeat.

I hope this helps.

ah i see. Ill try your advice. Any BM build for solo q, on the higher rated ones? I mean i could use your build but im still not good at OH axe. any variant with ranged weapons?
Also, i still cannot play perfectly without additional condi removal.

Swish.2463:

To point it out.

Mesmers often don’t slot signets because they are so situational and often weak.

If you want my suggestion read my posts

All your brilliant builds can be achieved right now as all of the numbers you list off do not cap out the already available trait points. Where are you putting the extra that’s so game changing?

If your going to fly into a rage at least do your homework and math correctly…

I would also point out that raging and shooting down any other arguments made by anyone else by just blindly stating that you are right because you are right isn’t conducive to further discussion and a huge turn off for further replies and possible better.ideas.

Check your attitude if you aim to be taken seriously and actually add to these type of threads and be willing to look at others options objectively.

That’s the last reply and acknowledgement you’ll be receiving from me tho, the bridge.is burnt.

No offense but you are wrong. Signets are particularly powerful. The primary reason why people dont slot them in because The blurred inscriptions trait competes with DE with the major slot. you have to go 30 into dueling to get them both.

Lets take example signet of Midnight in a signet build.

24 sec cd, cleanses 1 condition, Aoe blind, 1 sec Invulnerable, Stun breaker.

If you wanna test its potential you can duel me. I use a signet interrupt condi build.

Chaos.3579:

StickerHappy.8052:

But I do have a question for you.

Moving it to a minor would still make a requirement to trait into dueling right?
My point is that almost if not all mesmer builds absolutely require DE. so yea. no matter what happens people will still have to trait it.

I don’t get what your point is?
Its a good thing that we have all our staples in 1 trait line.
Unless you would prefer having deceptive evasion in chaos, vigor on crit in dom and crit damage in inspiration instead of dueling.

= congrats your staples are NOT in the same tree……oh and diversity= Destroyed.

The ONLY issue with DE were it is, is simply that it takes away your choice of a selectable trait. Not because it’s the best trait in the tree. Instead because it is a necessity for a viable build in this game.

DE will always have a trait requirement. So would you prefer having it in another tree costing you at least 10-20 trait points extra thus losing out on some crit chance and crit damage without a choice? or keep everything that you need in 1 lovely pile….your choice

Also shots fired. But I did not shoot first :P

@ swish
“I get the feeling your new to mesmer”

This made me laugh XD.

I don’t like ignorant egotistical players. So get out of the forum arguments you don’t truly understand until you l2p. OR watch your mouth and don’t start fights out of ignorance. I got plenty of better things to do then waste my time trying to explain things 1 letter at a time to players that annoy me on the forums.

Oh my point is, I mean for example i would like to build a full lockdown build with both power block and CI.

The need for DE is too great making this build not feasible, i mean yeah you could work with it but it would be tougher because of the lack of DE.

Im saying is that, DE in its state right now is almost needed on all mesmer builds, which in a sense also kills diversity.

But hey, im not against your suggestion or anything, I think its a great step for diversity.

Nice use of the axe. Very good video. I do have a question, when i fight eles, i have a really hard time. They have high boon up time and they heal a lot too, My damage does not seem to keep up. How do you do it? I mean im coming from an spvp point of view.

Chaos.3579:

Swish.2463:

What other traits in the master line are worth taking in builds? Dd is for pistol users, how many builds take pistol?

There’s a signet trait in there that’s laughable

Mantra defensive buff.. nah.. Mantra builds don’t need de anyway

As for an extra left over point.. No.. why use that to pick up a second minor when none of our secondary minors are worth picking up without investing fully into a line…

I get the feeling you’re very new to mesmer

I got the feeling YOUR new to mesmer.

The pistol trait is decent. Its solid it’s not more amazing than DE however it sure would be nice to be able to grab that without having to go 30 in dueling or to not take DE don’t you think?
Also the most likely weapon for Mesmers to get is main hand pistol if anet does such a thing and that would make the change I am suggesting all the more meaningful.

The signet trait is godly if you got your timing perfect and the right build for it.
(Although It takes skill and experience in both case’s you give off a sense of lacking.)

As for the mantra trait I agree with you. There are much better choices. But hay I’m willing to bet someone could make a mantra phantasm tank build with this!

Although the one thing you don’t get is that you don’t have to take a master trait. You can take a adept trait instead. For example what if you had blade training and phantasmal fury for a offhand sword build? There are tons of different choices now made viable, and affordable.

As for the leftover trait by having DE 1 trait cheaper. What you do with it is totally up to your imagination. Seeing as you lack that allow me to simply state that if you don’t like the idea you should not whine as you can run the very same build you were running before by putting 4 points in dueling and grabbing sharper images were DE was located before my theoretical idea was used in this theoretical scenario.

Although I can tell you right now I’ve already come up with brilliant ideas on how to use that extra trait.
For example I could take my 20 20 0 30 0 build and instead run 10 15 0 30 10 or 10 15 10 30 0, or 10 15 10 0 30 build. and I know there is someone out there with a different way of looking at things that can make use of it in some way while still being perfectly viable and only losing out on around 2 crit chance and crit damage, and sharper images if they did not select that in their adept trait selection.

Increased viable diversity with my suggestion? Achieved!
Reduction in any builds/ play styles with my suggestion? NONE!

So tell me. How is my suggestion flawed again? Or do you have a better suggestion that you can also explain why it’s better?

Also seeing as you lack creativity, skill and overall information about mesmer in this game then go ahead and click my stream link and I’ll show you how to play mesmer

kittenmm. shots have been fired! lol chaos.

Anyway, youre idea looks feasible. It will up the diversity in a sense.

But I do have a question for you.

Moving it to a minor would still make a requirement to trait into dueling right?
My point is that almost if not all mesmer builds absolutely require DE. so yea. no matter what happens people will still have to trait it.

Swish.2463:

this argument is ultimately why Anets choice to remove Hex’s and Gw1 styled conditions and cast bars, and replace them with clones and phantasms as a classes core mechanic was such a terrible move.

good on paper unless you read it..

This is why more often than not when you argue about DE you end up with the same three answers.

A. Well just move it lower or to a new line, they’ll open up builds (it wont, people will still go 4/4/0/0/6 or 4/2/0/2/6 or whatever)

B. Just make more clone Traits! Cool idea, how are you going to balance that if people take multiples of these type of traits? they cant all be GM traits. Would it be acceptable if you were able to generate 4 clones from mirror images there Pyro? and then 2 per dodge?

C. Mesmer class just needs a redo. either get rid of the clones gimmick or change how shatters work or buff my clones and phantasms or nerf clones and phantasms and make my mesmers the beast… blah blah..

This answer pretty much always ends up requiring Anet to go back to the drawing board, and then getting back to us about it “soon”.

Hence why i Think there is 0 use in making suggestions about certain traits and build diversity anymore. We got painted into a Corner on a few things and without totally kittening up Anet’s pretty paint job, there is absolutely no way to get out of it.

Anet doesn’t enjoy repainting things (excluding gem shop armor and weapons)

Exactly. Making it a minor, Moving it to a different line.

The problem will still be the same. People will still get it. So where’s the diversity in that?

I think the main issue here is the whole mesmer mechanic is too dependent on clone production and clones in general.

Shatter needs clones
Death trait needs clones
Condis need clones for the simple fact that clone AA deal conditions

Clones are also needed for body blocking and a little bit of misdirection

I think the mesmer needs some serious revamps in major departments.

As I’ve said, Mesmer is too reliant on DE

but we also have subpar Utilities Thats why in every build you see common utilities over and over again.

Sandrox.9524:

Arikyali.5804:

Sandrox.9524:

SlimChance.6593:

-snip-

Yep,the ice shard stab…poor steal in compare to others.

Same thing I was thinking.

“Get back here and stop running, you flippin’ fast ele, so I can stab you in the face with this ice shard!!”

ele: -trollface-

And when you land it successfull,the ele just cleanse it in a blink xD

If you use it after stealing while the ele is in water attunement. Of course it would get cleansed immediately. Duh.

Carighan.6758:

I think the actual problem should be fixed (how strong it is and that in turn our class is balanced around having it). Not the symptom (which you actually would by moving it).

What I’d do:

• Rebalance clone-generation vs shatter. Less clones generated who 100% copy the Mesmer in durability and ability usage (just not damage, none of their attacks should have any effect, rebalance AA attacks around that!). Shatter in turn hits much much harder.
• Deceptive Evasion now summons a temporary clone which always dodges exactly opposite the Mesmer and it is visually not possible to say who is who. Afterwards the clone will do two AA animations, then dissipate. Cannot be used for shattering.

This could work but would absolutely destroy on clone death builds. So if use rabid, my clones will copy my durability then leading them to be harder to kill in battle.

Swish.2463:

solves nothing and ultimately hurts build diversity.

you can play sliding tiles all day long and never get a better set up. Specially now that Illusionary Elasticity works on staff clones (for how long who knows).

Either take DE out and make it a natural thing that Mesmer always makes clones on dodge. or leave it where it is.

or just remove it from the game entirely and force mesmers to abandon a lot of tactics and 2 years worth of combat specialization.

Just Make it a mechanic. As I’ve said too many skills and mechanics run on clones/phantasm fuel.

Just having DE hurts Diversity. But again, it is our class mechanic.

I do agree that its always needed in all builds. (Maybe except Phantasm) but yeah, this is exactly the reason why I seldom play my mes now.

Lemme guess, what are the utilities? Decoy, Blink, Mod or A Cleanse?

As pyro said, Its like playing the same thing with just a different flavor

Its just sad.

Lockdown Build? DE needed. Decoy or Blink. A cleanse
Shatter Build? DE needed. A cleanse. Decoy or Blink (Null or Mantra)
PU build? DE needed. Decoy or Blink. A Cleanse (or without if with Traited Torch, AI = if it works properly) Blink or Veil. MI
Signet Build? DE will be needed because it shares a slot with Blurred Inscriptions, Unless you go 6 into dueling. Either Null or Mantra Cleanse because Cleansing Inscriptions is whack.

Trust me, it is very hard to play without DE. The whole mesmer mechanic runs on the phantasm/clones fuel.

worked! thank you!

And no dev update. lol.