People who dnt know how to mes? Are you referring to yourself op? Rf no stab is just one daze. Rf with stab reflect mirror heal feedback etc, msterful reflection, you have scep and sw blocks, distortion, aegis on chaos storm, i mean what more do you want?
And the point you said trait something less useful? There is no such thing. Unless youre running a build that someone else posted and did not bother to tweak it or whatsoever OR you only run 1 build all the time.
Protip: use the dodge button, v by default, it will help mitigate some damage.
What a condescending thread this is. How dare someone not jump on the Ranger Pity-train Express, right?
Here’s the skinny. If you concern yourself with PvP then Ranger is infact not in the worst position. I know, sounds like heresy for saying it.
The last big pvp event we saw Ranger used far more, and more succesfully, then Mesmers or Engineers.
Not saying rangers dont have problems, but this stupid dogma that Rangers are the single worst at everything and need massive buffs and unconditional love is getting ridiculous, aswell as getting in the way of any sensible discussion.
Get over yourselves, you dont have it as bad as you think you do.
Get over it, mesmer doesn’t need much if any help. Only thing they need is bug fixes, rangers is in alot worse situation and the fact u mesmer main/players have nerves to come to a ranger thread and tell us u have it worse is insulting to say the least. Rangers had no place in any mode for the past 2 years, ok except that 1 month when spirit ranger was a thing but that was shot down instantly. Mesmers on the other hand had a place in pvp, pve, wvw zerg and are the top dogs of roaming. What are the rangers good at?.. oh NOTHING.
- I never said I hate PU, just saying it a problem, which it still is after the update, even at this early days.
- I don’t mind playing against a PU play, in actual fact, I bet PU in most cases. The problem is that in pvp, and low rank spvp and tpvp, all I come across are PU mez players, which kind of says a lot for the class.
- My sig has always been there for a long time now, don’t feel the need to change it just because PU is a problem.
- English is not my native specking language if you must know, I am playing from Africa.
To be honest, when i solo que, I dnt see any mesmers run PU all that much. 3/10 at the most. but thats just me.
Since the beginning of the ranger pew pew arc, Ive been trying reflects and it works so good. But:
1.) Retal scales with self power right?
2.) Reflect scales with the shooters pow stat? Any other stat self stat that uses? Can someone confirm this?
a.) If yes, so most likely they are running full glass, when i reflect RF it deals significant damage but when i get hit by it, i get heavy damage and considering i have 2.7k toughness.
3.) When you reflect something, does it reflect any condition associated with the attack, and does reflect proc the sigil (back to the shooter) the weaponused have equipped?
PS: I think retal has been buffed recently, I get killed by it so many times recently and I am running full condi too.
Before this thread becomes an OP Nerf whine thread. Dummies do not move, so you would be able to be in close proximity making all the bounces hit. No dodging, and the closer you are to the golem the shorter the distance the orb would have to travel to hit its target thus increasing DPS. But then again, the target is stationary.
In Spvp, you would not really notice a huge difference before the patch, given that you are facing someone not willing to eat all your attacks.
Meh, like I said, anybody can challenge him to a duel. I won’t directly respond to any salty comments.
Running Harmonious Mantras phantasm mesmer pretty much explains it all. It involves kiting around while your phantasms whittle your opponent down. Absolutely no skill involved. I’m sorry if he’s your friend and your trying to defend him, but its 100% true.
The thing is, the people fighting Kronos weren’t even killing his phants, They just went straight for him and ignored the phants which were murdering their hp. They also let Kronos keep charging his mantra and didn’t swap out their utilities for any type of interrupt. It wasn’t Kronos’ fault that people didn’t counterbuild his spec and didn’t know how to fight it.
I bet you and masspilot something would beat him down (mes v mes). Best dueler for me is rylock hands down. Also Kronos uses an asura. /smh.
Im not that good but maybe i can take him on too. but it is a maybe
Yes, its hard to notice but there is a red out line on the fields, for example Chaos storm, same AoE appearance but it has the red outline lining the circle of Chaos Storm. hope that helps. Same goes for other mesmer fields.
Oh anet, lets nerf torment on other classes on their coolest and most balanced builds like the axe/sword LB or pure condi war, and turn mesmers into a purple torment spam win class. I’m actually more afraid of condition shatter builds now that PU abuse should be less tear inducing to fight against.
So much hate for the mesmer class from you as usual. I bet you get kitten d by mesmers all the time.
I hate the class divide among Mesmers. I do have a GW1 Mesmer and have been playing long enough to have about 9k achievement. I also play on an old laptop with often crumby net.
Then I go out and do something that is regarded as dumb and get told something like, “You ain’t no Mez,” (sic)
There are no schools. It’s rare to to find someone willing to teach.
If you don’t like the new changes to scepter that are coming out, look in the mirror
A new Mesmer has zero chance of getting on the high and mighty tier and is mostly on their own.
Thus ANET needs to make a faceroll Mesmer build available. That’s partially the fault of all you “experts” out there.
Alrighty, lets see here:
Any PU Mesmer that is arrogant and a jerk.
Anyone that uses staff terribly and as chaos said, just kiting.
Using Greatsword, as Chaos said, as a faceroll weapon.
Any person that thinks Mesmer is an easy class to play (most thieves say this).
Anyone that doesn’t use sword to its full potential, even after the ileap nerf.
Anyone that doesn’t use shatters, even in a phantasm build.
Any Mesmer that doesn’t think outside the box and make their own build to be happy with their playstyle (or help make someone a build, like I do with Chaos/Aeoldyn)
Anyone that plays a interrupt build and spams all of their interrupts on nothing.
Any person that thinks Mesmer is useless in wvw, just because they don’t have aoe doesn’t mean they aren’t useful.
Anyone that uses Portal incorrectly.
Finally, any Mesmer that plays PU condi after patch as their main build, as that build will be cancer.
Does not think outside the box? Doing your own builds is thinking outside the box right? :p
Lack CreativityThe others are in no particular order but this is my biggest pet peeve versus other Mesmer. While everyone is entitled to their own opinion, I’d argue that Mesmer offers quite a bit of diversity for people willing to explore. Even if said builds won’t work in the highest end gameplay, Mesmer has so many different playstyles that if you’ve only been playing 1 or 2 types of Mesmer over the past couple years, you don’t know what you’re missing out on!
Exactly this, people are so pigeonholed when they see you running condis = PU. I assume most of the people only play shatter or PU. Also, as you said mesmer offers quite a bit of diversity but you know, its all about the META. I wish people explored more, like the times of Immortal Mesmer, Chillruption, and Mind Crush, its so sad to see the same builds over and over again.
Why does everyone (Including other mesmers) automatically assume you use PU when you run conditions? its annoying. They blame their loss for the trait. wtf
the main problem is.. you cry when they buff you.. you cry when they nerf you.. people would have been better off just taking the buff and closing thier mouths. who begs to get themself nerfed on the forum.
this is a lesson to all the torment tears. torment isnt a problem to them.. but if you cry for 20 pages about pu they are going to nerf you. zip it.
This. Seriously. This.
The worst problem is that according to polls, it wasn’t even the majority of the Mesmers complaining. It was the minority plus other professions crying about it. No matter how you look at it, the Mesmers were ‘nerfed’ because the minority threw a tantrum. Frankly, nobody has the right to be upset about this lol.
PU needed to be nerfed. I’m absolutely fine with this. The clone death issue is something we’ll need to see first hand. If you have to blind the clones themselves (which would make sense) then this isn’t nearly as bad as the QQers think. If you have to blind the Mesmer, we may need to adjust our gameplay a bit and thieves will be a bit more annoying than they already are.
The buffs will outweigh the minor nerfs. Everyone can stop the panic now.
I agree as Ive said on the other thread, we need buffs then they buff us, then mesmers complain, I mean for other profs its understandable but mesmers are also the cause of these unnecessary nerfs. For me this is the REAL Cancer, why cant we just be happy as a class?
UP-Whine-Buff-Whine-Nerfs-Whine-Never ending spiral. Sad but True.
They stated that the recent changes were, in fact, a reaction to all the threads on these forums. Personally there is a lot about this whole mess that I don’t agree with but I do applaud the devs for taking action as quickly as they have. I still feel they needed more direct communication with the players, particularly the mesmers in this case, but this shows that they are listening and reacting faster.
Yes they are listening to people in the other profession forums complain about mesmer and they will keep doing crap like this till mesmer is completely unviable in sPvP.
Ah, but its not only the other professions.
the mesmer community is a part of it too. IMO, we are the only profession who gets buffed and complains about the buff too. And hence, leads to unnecessary nerfs. Sad but true.
Just finished crafting mine, but when i select the skin on the wardrobe menu it automatically gives me the infused version (with the glow) and I havent crafted that yet.
I like the regular version because I can see the faces.
Wait, so what if i just move away from the pull and warden? So the warden wont hit you. It will be a loss in dps.
Whether you like it or not when you choose to go with focus you have to take in to account that iwarden can fail (lets hope it will be defenitely fixed within next patch) and I am sure you already know this and that even if it doesn’t fail it still can miss a good chunck of its dps if summoned without a means for rooting the target. It can still absorb projectiles though, so it is not completely useless…
ah i see, but i was curious to know the reason why choose focus over pistol in duels?
the duelist is more reliable bec of the range. the stun is good too albeit a little bit clunky to aim at melee range the focus pull. Now lets say if warden threw away his axes at a foe, then I might consider focus over pistol, or is the focus just for personal preference?
I guess the strong point of focus for me is the pull because pulling all phantasms of your foe interrupts them simultaneously, and will lead to a huge dps loss of your foe.
For other classes yeah, but with someone using interrupts no. 3 is an easy bait. On your original idea, are you referring to same projectile speed? And the melee clones, what do they do on their attacks?
It’s actually great to use it as bait for interrupts in a lot of cases. You can pretty much guarantee someone trying to interrupt it, and so that allows you to either quickly catch it with a block, or put the interrupt on cooldown for a cast that actually matters.
Whadya mean? So cancel 3 while channeling and quickly press 2?
Yep.
Another way to do that would be like players do with mirror blade to bait out a dodge (or interrupt). Cast, then stow weapon during animation (that way you can try to avoid the interrupt entirely).
Another thing I like to do with confusing images is begin the channel well out of range and blink into range just when the attack goes off. This works well in openers or disengage/re-engage scenarios and can really surprise people.
I see. Thanks! Maybe i can beat rylock now with your advices haha. Jk. I need to play more calmly.
Are you sure you wanna play the stow weapon game with me? Chaos tried to do that and I still interrupted his abilities
I dont need to use that, i just need to play calmly, haha we should duel secretly not knowing we are fighting one another. If i know its you i get tense and mess up my plans
I have a question for the Lockdown pro’s in this thread. And its not so much about the build itself or the skills.. More the games setting. What I mean is usually when I mess up, I realize my camera was over the place or I just didn’t see my target’s animation or didn’t have the right target. Or I simply lost my mouse off screen somehow? (Could be I’m just too old and these eyes simply can’t keep up.)
So what are your video settings? Does SweetFX allow for better(clearer) visuals? Is a high DPI mouse better at camera control or a lower? Do you use fast cast in game, etc. Is there anything different “settings” wise that you found to help?
Maybe your mouse sensitivity is too high? I play on all low and i dnt think settings would be the case. Or do you have a faulty mouse?
For other classes yeah, but with someone using interrupts no. 3 is an easy bait. On your original idea, are you referring to same projectile speed? And the melee clones, what do they do on their attacks?
It’s actually great to use it as bait for interrupts in a lot of cases. You can pretty much guarantee someone trying to interrupt it, and so that allows you to either quickly catch it with a block, or put the interrupt on cooldown for a cast that actually matters.
Whadya mean? So cancel 3 while channeling and quickly press 2?
Yep.
Another way to do that would be like players do with mirror blade to bait out a dodge (or interrupt). Cast, then stow weapon during animation (that way you can try to avoid the interrupt entirely).
Another thing I like to do with confusing images is begin the channel well out of range and blink into range just when the attack goes off. This works well in openers or disengage/re-engage scenarios and can really surprise people.
I see. Thanks! Maybe i can beat rylock now with your advices haha. Jk. I need to play more calmly.
For other classes yeah, but with someone using interrupts no. 3 is an easy bait. On your original idea, are you referring to same projectile speed? And the melee clones, what do they do on their attacks?
It’s actually great to use it as bait for interrupts in a lot of cases. You can pretty much guarantee someone trying to interrupt it, and so that allows you to either quickly catch it with a block, or put the interrupt on cooldown for a cast that actually matters.
Whadya mean? So cancel 3 while channeling and quickly press 2?
Yep.
Ohh i see, havent thought of it that way. Very good idea.
For other classes yeah, but with someone using interrupts no. 3 is an easy bait. On your original idea, are you referring to same projectile speed? And the melee clones, what do they do on their attacks?
It’s actually great to use it as bait for interrupts in a lot of cases. You can pretty much guarantee someone trying to interrupt it, and so that allows you to either quickly catch it with a block, or put the interrupt on cooldown for a cast that actually matters.
Whadya mean? So cancel 3 while channeling and quickly press 2?
For other classes yeah, but with someone using interrupts no. 3 is an easy bait. On your original idea, are you referring to same projectile speed? And the melee clones, what do they do on their attacks?
Please note that scepter clones only use the first attack in the chain. This is how it always has been, and how it always will be. The clones do not generate more clones. This would be incredibly broken.
Nothing in my comment says anything about clones spawning more clones. That’s not what self-perpetuating means in that comment.
I’m fairly sure that is what it means in that comment. They said you can put up one clone, then go to sleep while ‘self perpetuating clones’ do all the work. The definition of self-perpetuating is literally ‘creating more of oneself’. Therefor, I felt the need to clarify that scepter clones do not self perpetuate, on top of the obvious fact that scepter clones won’t do as much damage as staff clones do.
Youre idea still intrigues me, but we still have to rework no. 3, whattya think?
solution isnt nerfing or not fixing IE but nerfing the specific build (example PU) who would take too much advantage from it
Are you in favor of the scepter buff? It seems like you’d agree that the solution isnt nerfing scepter but nerfing the specific build (example PU) that would take too much advantage from it. The scepter buff also promotes build diversity, as it would make condi shatter and condi lockdown more viable, which is the best goal.
I have a question for you guys, you guys use focus pull right? so with CI thats 2.5 secs, is it worth it with warden because only how many hits does it connect with the duration? since it attacks in melee range
This is assuming sword 3 is on CD. I am just curious with the lockdown with CI and warden, not the fact that it is an AoE interrupt.
any roundabouts to that problem?. As for the most stressful, I have no idea lol.