Guild Wars 2

Centrix.4065:

And I can’t believe the ppl on the livestream weren’t more outspoken about some of these changes. They were just yawning and saying yes all the time. You have the opportunity to talk to them directly and start good discussions, but you don’t? It’s like having the opportunity to talk to the president, and then your only question is “what did you eat this morning?”

Oh well

I agree with this, the people on the stream were pretty terrible. At least in the patch before there was someone bold enough to ask, “Isn’t that a bit strong?”.

Huge changes to wvw and they presenters were just like “ok”.

I think the WvW community should have a representative on the panel.

loseridoit.2756:

Guardian is currently one of the toughest class to kill. High survivability. In the pvp forums, they already rated the Guardian as the third best class in the game.

Third best class because they are tough to kill. Let’s see what they give up for that toughness… oh it’s everything including the ability to kill any enemies. Great stuff!

Sil.4560:

I dunno, what’s the point of warrior burst damage if a guardian can block most all of it with almost no effort?

The point is that the Guardian stuff that is being destroyed is inherent to the class itself, whereas warriors aren’t forced to spec burst. The very concept of Guardians is being gutted so that other classes can spec certain ways – there’s no way to counter them whatsoever and that’s not right.

Worst patch ever. Massive, unnecessary guardian nerfs and they even had the cheek to say, “we’re happy with where the guardian is”. kittenters.

IMO, organising GvG is an indicator of awfulness. I prefer organic open world battles where allies and mobs from either side can swing the fight. That’s why we like three-way battles in the first place, right?

Sird.4536:

Also I would like to see any GH guild wipe us on their own, only CHvc have done so. We are always open to GvG.

Believe me when I say that we enjoyed it as much as you seem to have. This isn’t just a wipe, it’s a S&M wipe.

I’m looking forward to trying to squeeze some fun out of this now rotten lemon of a matchup. Either that or I’ll just not bother WvWing. Probably the latter. Enjoy your PvD, RoS bandwagoners.

eldain stenlund.4306:

Lalnuir.4957:

eldain stenlund.4306:

LOL. i just read another thread, where they say boons will make you get hit harder…
And thieves will simply steal them.

So, you can not play active defender (too long cds).
And all you have is Boons.. permanent.

And now they want to make boons into a big Disadvantage.

As i said.. Why do they even call this class: Guardian.

Warriors are getting a grand master trait that grants them 3% extra damage per boon on you.

Thieves are getting an add on to flanking strike to steal one boon for one initiative and since flanking strike already costs 4 initiative it seems like the will be spending 5 initiative just to remove 2 of your boons. That’s assuming you get hit with both boon removing moves.
It’s only on on the sword dagger weapon set, how often do you die to a s/d thief? A s/d thief removing your boons will also struggle to have enough init to CnD and daze you often.

It’s hardly the end of the world.

I actually HOPE they make this nerf happen.
Maybe they fix Sword skills for thieves also at the same time, to realy get it to work.

as you said. how often do you die to a sword thief… buff it to give more viable weapon options for the thief.

I read other topics now as we close into patch.
As soon as it was “boons might get a Disadvantage”.

People came out spitting on the floor and look angry.

It just shows i was right from start.
Guardians arent guardians, they are simply boring boon bots.

And now… o please. I HOPE they make this patch into a boon disadvantage.
Because, that way A-net are also forced into making the guardian more Active on its defense. and not only have to care about.. “do i have all boons on me and my friends”.

I also REALY REALY hope they give this to other classes also.
“increased dmg against boons”

Nice rant.

I propose that the guardian be removed from the role of “boon heavy” melee class and reworked into another mechanic.

They said they wanted us to feel strong when we had boons up. Now I will just feel like an IDIOT when I have boons up.

Having other classes who can specifically destroy us is just fine, but we need a way to be a literal “guardian”. When we die so easily, the class becomes a joke:

“I’ll defend you! Ugh… Oh, I died faster than you would have anyway. GG”.

The guardian is going to require major rework after this Tuesday and I hope the developers have it down as a priority.

Why have a class that relies on boons then make it so other classes can completely destroy them? It seems rather strong.

Why put blocks in the game if they can be bypassed? Doesn’t it seem like, “Here, use this block but, haha not really!”?

Guardians will need something desperately to make up for “boons” that are just a hindrance now.

Looking for minimal boon specs.

Entropy.4732:

Well it’s official. Our glorious purple swirls of confusion will be broken. Destroyed. Rendered essentially useless. The forces that be caved to the lamentations of warriors and thieves everywhere. A 50% damage reduction

So… not destroyed, then. Thanks for making that clear.

tagnut.8621:

Svarty.8019:

Ignoring the problems in the top and bottom tiers,

There is an even simpler solution.

Place Vizunah in an empty tier all on its own – they won’t mind, they’d love an empty tier with just endless doors to beat on and no mean players to chase them back to their keeps and 3000 arrow carts.

I’ll Just highlight the relevant part of my original post above for you. See quote. It appears that you have simply read the title and not the post. I apologise if the title was misleading as I did my best to make it represent the subject of the post.

I’m more than a little annoyed by this nerf-by-default. It’s what the community always asks for “don’t nerf us, buff everybody else”, but it’s still absolutely infuriating, particularly as we’ve been specifically victimised by the devs.

I will see how it plays out, but I already struggle in combat because I have to spec PVT due to;

1. ridiculously low base HPs, and,
2. not wanting to force my allies to waste time rezzing me constantly in WvW.

I expect to get facerolled constantly rather than being able to escape sometimes.

What’s the point in AEGIS if everything can bypass it?

I didn’t even have to read the OP to agree with it. /agree x100%.

Dev …hate… rising!

Ilesyt.7084:

Why do we need a second thread for this ? :/

Because this thread addresses a new issue which has occurred AFTER the end of free transfers.

Thanks for the thread.

Genev.2450:

Didnt we already discuss this, as made even more obvious by the name of this thread (“take 2”)?

Also, one transfer every 6 months…. Do you want people to quit the game?

I accept that you’re critical, but could you please give an explanation as to why you don’t like my proposed solution to the issue?

We have witnessed the ladder system even out to some degree since the end of free transfers. Ignoring the problems in the top and bottom tiers, the ladder started to work as intended, but a problem has occurred.

Now that the economy has given rise to the phenomenon of people feeling wealthier, whole-guild transfers are MUCH more viable and as we have seen recently, many guilds are moving to bandwagon servers, surfing them up the tiers and then transfering to another bandwagon server. This is a problem because when guilds move wholesale from one server to another the bias swings way out of whack on both the tier they leave and the tier they join – they then disrupt all the tiers they run through on their way up.

To address the bandwagon problem, Arenanet need to take action. It seems quite clear that financial disincentives are not enough and that Arenanet need to impose a limit to the number of transfers a player may make. I would suggest something like one transfer per six months.

TL;DR

• people are richer,
• transfers are effectively cheaper,
• bandwagoners are riding low-ranking servers up the ladder then repeating the feat,
• financial disincentive doesn’t work as intended,
• there should be a limit to transfers per year.

UCF Knight.8095:

Kryyg.8576:

Get rid of downed state in WvW, period.

This will allow smaller mans to fight large groups.

If everything is equal, a larger group should take down a smaller group. Everyone complaining wants everything to be equal and balanced so that no advantage can be acquired whatsoever, but small groups should be able to defeat large groups given the same skill?

That makes no sense.

I agree, and I think Arenanet would be foolish to bend over for the whiners here.

The solution to the downed state problem that doesn’t exist is to make it so banner doesn’t rez the lord.

Cradorell.3941:

LOL, so angry! well lots of fun on GH bl tonight! Too bad you guys stopped giving exp :S

We stopped giving exp when we repeatedly wiped you. Now you ragequit on us?!

Solution? There is no problem! If you don’t like it, play a different game!

Cradorell.3941:

Dear GH on GH BL! Stop blobbing

Hello pot.

fab.3298:

Genev.2450:

Rangers are cool, k?

SOE guild rule no. 2: All rangers must die.

That explains you leading the zergblob off a cliff.

zonderbon.5871:

Yorric Hunt.8214:

Didnt know VoTF had transferred as well.

Trust me, I think I can speak for a fair amount of us when I say that we didn’t know either :p

I’d never heard of these guys, then suddenly the image below happened and someone said, “I didn’t know they’d transferred, too”.

problematic.9623:

No. You cannot destroy the blob before it eats you. Our misuse of pop-culture needs correction. there is only one blob and it has no shape. You cannot escape the: http://youtu.be/sixDADVVnxA

The original theme tune was better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK5jyVCdXwc
Starring Steve McQueen and a cast of exciting young people!

Also, something to avoid an off-topic infraction:

How to kill “The Blob”: 5 Arrow Carts, the answer is 5 Arrow Carts

This person is correct.

When defending, you need to spend a fortune on siege weapons to beat huge numbers of attackers. This is a flaw because

• if there are fewer people defending then the cost-of-siege-per-attendee is much higher for the defenders than for the attackers,

• the attackers can simply move to another gate/wall to avoid the siege-fire and then the defenders have to pay a fortune again,

• siege disappears after 30 minutes, so the whole “pay-to-defend” thing is really off-putting because there’s no point building siege on the off-chance that the enemy attack that specific gate/wall within that timespan.

Syeria.4812:

Economics as a field suffers greatly from the constant stream of false information constantly parroted by armchair “experts” who have absolutely no idea what they’re talking about.

You mean… politicians?

Of all the tactics in WvW, the golem rush fails the most. It’s the last thing we should complain about.

We all know that nightcaps and zergs are the main problems at the moment, and Arenanet have stated that they are discussing ways of addressing both. Isn’t that all we can ask?

Arathor.7419:

Vynt.5218:

Svarty.8019:

ThomasKreshant.6572:

itsmee.7536:

what’s gotten into GH? they’re ticking 60 right now!

lol that’s how our server rolls tbh

It’s one of the (many?) reasons certain people are on your server rather than ours

Your subtlety is of the utmost quality. Mine, however, is not. I call a bandwagon server a bandwagon server when I see one, and that's a bandwagon server!

Why are you so mad? We got 2 guilds from SFR and you got one. That is only 1 more and you start calling us bandwagoners. The reason GH is losing is because of your unstable population that gives up way too easily. Too bad, see you in t8 soon. Maybe you will bandwagon to RoS also.

he just admitted he bandwagoned to RoS , ’’ maybe you will bandwagon to ros also""

For the moment, you’re a bandwagon server. Just enjoy it while it lasts! I look forward to seeing how you fare against proper servers like FSP and Gandara. I predict that we’ll then see your fair-weather guilds leave and you’ll be back down here with us, enjoying an unstable population.

Gems are a rich man’s investment. Just buy hundreds and hundreds of gold’s worth. Put feet up. Come back in a few months and convert back. Oh look… ££££ Profit!

ARM.3912:

There is a better solution than this nonsense. Just remove the AOE limit.

Sure, if you like lag.

Here you go. The devs made a special point of stating that they believed that (in a sPvP context) burning is viable. Whether this means torch or not, I am uncertain.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/Official-Burning-is-Viable/first#post1697550

This fellow wraps up the topic quite nicely:

Bottom line is that you can’t get enough burning damage/duration AND bunkering in the same build to support the claim that you can do significant and constant burning on an opponent to kill them without significant risk to yourself, provided your opponent isn’t completely devoid of any PVP skills or PVP focused build. Even if you can (or your opponent is stupid enough) to burn constantly, the 320 DPS you get is not much when you consider other damage-specific builds make up for that with crits and higher power and STILL get some amount of burning as well.

Slamz.5376:

Svarty.8019:

While I find this post funny, I think it’s a bit cheap after Anet already have said they’re working on it in this post over here: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/WvW-players-who-run-supply-for-repairs/first#post1839964

No, they still deserve it.

WvW has been third class since launch. [..]

They gave us a quickie because they’re too busy developing the next piece of one-off PvE content that will take 3 months to develop and everyone will be bored of after 3 weeks.

• I agree about feeling left behind to some degree, but look at the content they’ve added for PvE: it’s hardly as if stuff gets added all the time.

• The Culling fix wasn’t a quickie at all. They had to rewrite the way it worked from the ground up – a mammoth task.

• I concur with the idea of that replayable/persistent content is the best stuff to put in the game. Having said this, I did quite enjoy the Karka event, and it does stand as a landmark in the game’s evolving history. You have to bear in mind that the one-off content was planned and budgetted for during development and that the success of WvW is all a big surprise to Arenanet, which means the budget probably has to be changed especially for it.

Tallis.5607:

Plenty of people want high WXP rank nowadays. So, here is a guide to get WXP fast! Follow this guide and soon you can brag about your insane high rank to your guildies and server!

.

STEP 1. RUN WITH A ZERG.

STEP 2. WHILE WITH THE ZERG…

Don’t build siege, building gives 0 WXP. Let other people do it.

Don’t protect walls with whirlwind, protecting gives 0 WXP. Let other people do it.

Don’t heal people, healing gives 0 WXP. Let other people do it.

Don’t rez people, rezzing gives 0 WXP. Let other people do it.

Don’t repair when a tower is not under attack, repairing gives 0 WXP when not under attack. Let other people do it.

Don’t kill downed people, killing gives 0 WXP. Let other people do it.

Don’t upgrade towers or keep, upgrading gives 0 WXP. Let other people do it.

Don’t down people, just do a bit of damage to get credit, downing people give no extra WXP. Let other people do it.

Don’t buff people, buffing gives 0 WXP. Let other people do it.

Don’t stand guard in a tower, guarding gives 0 WXP. Let other people do it.

Don’t escort yaks, escorting gives 0 WXP. Let other people do it.

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Enjoy your new ranks!

While I find this post funny, I think it’s a bit cheap after Anet already have said they’re working on it in this post over here: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/WvW-players-who-run-supply-for-repairs/first#post1839964

1. Roll thief or mesmer.
2. Pwn face with impunity.
3. ????
4. Profit!

I believe inflation is hitting hard at the moment. Anet seem to be desperately pumping out stuff through the gem market to get gold out of the system, but I know that I, for one, have hundreds of gold just sitting in my bank. I know, I know I should invest it, but I tried that before and failed, so now I don’t.

Bottom tier woes. It’s always going to be a one-way story down there. There are two servers that the system throws into the trash. I feel sorry for you guys, but I think you should definitely move if you want WvW.

Ironically if the top server on the list becomes way too powerful and dominates, there is nothing in the system to stop it from stomping every week. That’s just the way it is. Some things will never change.

Vynt.5218:

Svarty.8019:

Well, there’s the big blue paintjob we were expecting. I’m certainly looking forward to RoS flying up, up and away.

After 4:30 gmt +2 we ran with about 10man group. Met couple of ~20 men groups and many ~10 men groups. Don’t blame it on the numbers

Read it again.

Cirax.9231:

Tl;dr – Some (not all) tPvP teams need to get off their high horse and play WvW as a server, not to glorify themselves with “lol 4v30” videos. Treat your allies with respect.

I suppose this is another endorsement of having powers work differently in the different types of game.

Well, there’s the big blue paintjob we were expecting. I’m certainly looking forward to RoS flying up, up and away.

Imho it should be free to leave the bottom two servers. No insult intended, but they seem to be total wastelands in terms of WvW.

Despite a promising reset, I think we’re still expecting RoS to destroy everything during the nights and storm up out of this tier next week.

Thanks for funtimes everybody.

DevonCarver.5370:

Some additional members of the excellent WvW team, by no means all, and even then remember that countless members of the ArenaNet staff are involved in every piece of content that goes out the door:
John Ryan, writer
Hugh Norfolk, designer
Matt Witter, designer
Patrick “El Capitán de Culling” Mera, programmer
Chris Barrett, programmer
Tirzah Bauer, artist
Brian Cautrell, producer

So, they are okay being called out by name, and they all rock. Like I said, though, that’s just the start of everyone who busts their butts to get WvW made better.

Today I dedicate all of the destruction I wreak to TIRZAH BAUER!

This is your time!

Vaya con dios, amigo!

(As a massive pedant I laughed when Devon said countless then produced a small list, but I’m trying not to mention it !).

zone.1073:

When doing the balance segment, instead of going through every class without specific questions, perhaps it’s better to ask specific class balance questions.

Because I noticed last SotG went like this:

Q: Rangers?

Devs: Oh, blah blah…blah.

Q: Necros?

Devs: Yup, blah blah..

Q: Eles?

Devs: Mmmhm, blah.

This went on for what, 30 minutes? The devs’ responses were not very informative because there were no specific class balance questions. And also, you can make this segment much shorter by going to the core of things and asking specific questions for specific classes.

Also, try to phrase your questions so that it’s not susceptible to “Yes/No” easy-out answers. For example, instead of asking, “Are we going to see changes to Warriors next patch?” (Devs will respond with “Yup” or “Nah”), you could rephrase it like “What do you think needs to be changed for Warriors? What problems does the class have?”

A good indication of whether or not the devs know what they’re doing is to make them state the problem in their own words. Have them tell us what the problem is, and what their solutions are. Also remember to challenge the devs with thought-provoking questions. Don’t let them off the hook easily. They are being paid by the hour, so really exercise their brains with challenging questions.

This person took media studies. Listen to them.

John Smith.4610:

Economists neither sleep nor leave, I was never gone, I just require interesting posts

Baited!

Official: Nobody likes fun!

As primarily a WvW player it feels strange to have to tune in to this sPvP chat to discover what lies in store for our classes.

From what I’ve seen, I like approximately two of the hammers in the game:
Ghastly Hammer (from Ascalonian Catacombs) and
Kodan Hammer (from HotW)

… on my asura guardian they are all way too small anyway.

WvW Guild Golems (Siege Suits – some consistency in naming policy would be nice, too) should have the lovely emblem of their guild on them, surely?

Once you go AH you won’t go back.