Guild Wars 2

Zalani.9827:

Holy Anet the Rangers actually got something nice. Better sound the alarm.
Can’t have that.

Alarm was sounded. Hammer dropped. CAN’T HAVE ANYTHING NICE.

Why couldn’t they just remove the quickness from the boons that got transfered instead of gutting it into non use again??!?!!

Mcrocha.3891:

Rizo.9534:

So, if they’ll just “lock” boon sharing duration to 10sec it will be fine.
Less than that will be awful.

They’re making it function the same way as Fortifying Bond, which is what it should have been done in the first place.

They might as well just delete it because there’s no **** reason to take the **** skill now. Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh one stack of might oooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh soooooooooooo awesome

Ohhhhhhhh gooooooooood.

Back to having no choice except for TU in PVE.

Point capture is what brought about this meta. It’s also why I don’t PVP but very extremely rarely. If there were more kinds of PVP arenas I probably would PVP more but tank building point capture is just so kitten boring.

Mcrocha.3891:

Puck.9612:

T raw.4658:

There is no defending this amount of quickness.

Stop. Its broken.

I applaud effort but the devs who allowed this to go through need to be fired.

Care to elaborate on that or is this just another, ”I don’t know what killed me and I am too lazy to try to figure it out and see if I can counter it, so I’m just going to qq for nerfs” posts?

The reason why it is op is because it takes zero investment. Take the meta power survival build for instance which could now take zephyrs speed over beastly warden after it was nerfed. So the only “sacrifice” you have to make in your build is taking WHaO over TU. In exhcange for two condi removal every 20 seconds you can have 6-7s quickness just by swapping pets right before WHaO is cast. You can have 12-13s quickness by popping WHaO shortly after QZ is cast(say you just got bursted and need to stunbreak/heal). That’s totalling ~20s of quickness on a Marauder build just bc the Ranger was playing normally. Plus that’s only considering the boons you apply and not the other ones that would be on your pet from allies or traits etc.

That’s not good for balance and just adds to power creep, in the future people can say “oh look at Ranger they can have 20s quickness why can’t we have xxx.”

What is this? 3rd grade? “He has it! I have to have it too!!” Say it out loud and listen how silly that sounds.

No. Don’t touch my PVE WHaO. You keep your grubby PVP baked hands off of it. Split it or leave it alone.

Ragnarox.9601:

Telling that pet attack for 9k+ is normal is just proof how bad you are. Pets need to be brought down to spirit weapon and turet level. If they want to do awesome dmg then cure is to make their hp glas canon of 10k. Simple as that.

If you want to go that route pets would have to be removed from ranger and made utilities OR all the pet damage would have to be removed from it and given to the ranger along with coefficients on the ranger raised. End result would be the same.

Oh forum bug how you love to read up and disrupt things

Terra.8571:

mtpelion.4562:

Healers create a dilemma in any game in which the roles exists:

In order to make them a viable option you have to make them mandatory (because if you don’t need them, then it is ALWAYS better to replace them with more DPS). If you make them mandatory, then all the other specs will become unwanted (kind of like how it is right now since other classes do everything a ranger does but better).

With the addition of Druid one of two things will happen:
1. Every ranger will be forced to play as a Druid.
2. No ranger will be able to play a Druid.

In short, healing as a role breaks the game and should never, ever be used.

People often state this argument but fail to acknowledge this problem already exists now. Instead of “LF healer” tags, it’s “LF DPS”. You may argue that all classes can fill that role though, but again the most common message is: “LF Ele’s, War’s and Guardians”. You may see “LF Thief/ Stealth” sometimes too.

Rangers and necros particularly are already pushed into the background when it come to optimal runs. Can ranger’s, necros etc do these runs? Yes, but given an option, most parties would prefer class X was brought.

The issue that needs to be addressed is not making healer’s mandatory. It’s making it so at least 2-3 other classes can fill the role. Even if druid does it “best”, if the content CANNOT be completed without a druid, that is bad game design.

Lot harder to find a decent ranger than it is to find a decent warrior, guard, or ele… That’s part of the reason why you see those LFGs.

There’s a real choice now between healing skills. WHaO is finally competitive with TU and HS (although making HS a trap rekt that one). Condi damage on cats is noticeable with bleed on crit and whatnot. I actually noticed the differences this patch. It’s moving in the right direction but it’s still not there… Make spirits like the new astral wisps things that orbit around the Ranger and I’d be extremely happy and would most likely main my Ranger again…. That being said, deSade is right. These things needed to be in 2+ years ago.

Nope. Not OP… it’s actually pretty nice now.

Yeah, possible, but after reading about the Druid reveal I still don’t understand why we’ve had many many many months of silence on the Ranger… because the Druid could be tacked onto any profession given almost all of it doesn’t interact with the Ranger class mechanic at all.

You keep saying insane. I do not think that word means what you think it means.

Dolt.2731:

I believe it gets powered from damage as well. Going off memory here if’n I’m wrong. Lazy…

Yeah, but IIRC it’s only .25% from damage as opposed to 2.5% for healing. So, yeah, they want you to fill it with healing, not DPS.

Asuran or Norn. I find the Norn personal story the most interesting but the Asuran race specific skills can be useful.

When did Bryzy get to speak for the majority? Since confirmation bias became a thing.

Puck.9612:

Extra heals will be useful in PvP and WvW, I couldn’t care less about PvE. I just hope celestial form is something that can be used as often as death shroud. If it takes so long to charge it that I can only use it once in a PvP match I will be pretty kittened off.

On the other end are people like me who really couldn’t give two * about WvW/PvP but still want to use the Druid in PVE because, surprise, we paid for it with HoT. Extra heals just aren’t needed in PVE, we have enough already. So, it’s may be needed for new content and it’s only going to be content that has unavoidable damage (which I’m not a fan of since I love the active combat and passive damage is boring just like passive support).

anduriell.6280:

For what is shown in the twichtcon the Druid has all the votes to become another one and the lack of communication from Irenio does it not make us feel better.

So, I have come to wonder why Irenio has been silent/absent from the Ranger forums for so long. Did he get put lead of Ramger recently? Like, at the start of the Druid or was it just a few days ago? Sure, I understand keeping mum about the Druid but why no Irenio communication about the Ranger?

Yup! You get to wait three years for an elite spec you want, scukers!!!

Sad part is one only get one beta weekend for feedback.

And because the Druid was designed specifically for raids I’m interested to see if it’s actually going to be useful there, but we won’t know that until the first full raid wing is released… not just 25% of one wing.

Yeah, but healing fills up that bar a whole lot faster than damage, so, 2.5% vs .25% right? It’s obvious Irenio wants you healing to get to the CAF. It synergizes well with the staff for that reason, and doesn’t with Dps builds, for the same reason.

[quote=5542105;Treetoptrickster.4205

I just wanted to know why people don’t enjoy playing the healer archetype..[/quote]

Because it’s boring. Because I don’t enjoy it. Because I don’t want to sit there not killing something for hours on end. Because all the healer I need to play is blasting a water field and the job is done.

It’s funny because my sister and I couldn’t be more Different. She LOVES playing the healer role. That’s why she rolled a Guardian. But, she’ll admit, she wants to do decent DPS too… But she likes playing support through defensive and offensive means.

Uh, Eric, Ranger already had mad survivability when trained for it. That wasn’t something the Ranger was missing. When you trait for Druid and survivability you lose a enormous portion of your dps. What’s lacking in the Druid is the utter lack of offensive support. That 25% up time glyph damage buff is just sad. If it was even 60% up time I would be interested, but it isn’t. Minors are all healing therefore useless to me. Adepts are all useless to me since CAF is useless to me and I won’t be using the staff. If the Glyph of Empowerment gets CD reduction Verdint Etching might get picked, but GoE needs to be better than Frost Spirit. If not, then Natural Stride because, well, it just sucks less than the other options. And then there’s Ancient Seed, again, because it just sucks less than the other two, but not by much. There’s nothing in the traits, besides Verdint Etching (and that’s only because of the GoE) that’s offensive support, so nothing in that line that’s compels me to take it.

Mono.7320:

TheFantasticGman.9451:

Oh, I took the time and read dulfy quite a few times on the Druid reveal…

And no, I wouldn’t bring any Ranger or Druid build into Fractals… or dungeons. Raids? Only if it’s required.

well then that’s your problem then not druids which is fine

Oh, it’s not my problem, bruh. Don’t don’t get mad at me when you get insta-kicked from Fractals because you have a staff or short bow equipped. It’s burning that’s where the condi DPS is at, not bleeds.

Mostly disappointed. No reason for me to take the Druid as it hinders my play style.

I’m not a fan of the elite spec in the very slightest. Not one bit. Nor does Irenio share my playstyle in the game. And, it’s most likely after this BW3, I’ll be waiting another 3 years for the next ranger elite spec to hopefully be something I want to play…

That being said, I can appreciate Irenio sticking to his guns about making the Druid the healbot. At least it has theme and a sense of direction this what it’s supposed to be (read: identity). That’s something the Ranger has lacked and now has. It’s obvious he’s excited about the Druid/Ranger class as a whole, and maybe some of that will bleed over in a good way, I don’t know, but at least we know the direction the Ranger will be moving forward in. So, good job, Irenio, as you did make quite a few people happy with the Druid e-spec, and that much I can respect.

Interested in:
1) Scrapper
2) Daredevil
3) Reaper
4) Chronomancer

Not Interested In:
5) Herald

Extremely disinterested:
6)Dragonhunter
7)Tempest
8)Berserker
9)Druid

In that order exactly.

They aren’t getting rid of it in dungeons. It’s only a temporary reprieve until people learn the new content, then high dps builds will be maximized again.

Colin already confirmed without directly saying it dungeons themselves are dead and any 5 man instanced “dungeon” content will continue through fractals. That’s what you haven’t heard anything about dungeons. Old content will stay old content and not be revisited.

Eric.7813:

TheFantasticGman.9451:

I tried looking for positives but didn’t find any in the trait lines or the druid mechanic.

Trait line for druid was Amazing.

Opinions… you know what they say about ’em…

Ehecatl.9172:

TheFantasticGman.9451:

Sure they’re strong only for healing. I strongly disagree any are “cool”. They’re just not worth taking unless you want to do anything other than, again, heal. That’s it. That’s the Druid’s thing is healing just like Irenio said, “HEAVY HEALING”. So yeah, if you want healing the most you will think it’s strong. I don’t. I think it’s a massive wasteland of a trait line outside of wanting to heal.

It’s fine you finally get to play your healer, anri. Happy for you bruh, just sad that it was at the sacrifice of my Ranger’s first elite spec.

And if you think this will make Rangers wanted for content 6 months after release, I have some really really nice ocean from property in Utah to sell you.

Did you not even read what the traits are? Yes, you can spec to enhance only healing. But it also provides pretty big bonuses to mobility and control. Ancient Seeds adds an immobilize to all our control skills making a lockdown druid a very real possibility, and it synergizes really well with existing power and condi builds. On top of that the druid line provides enough condi management that it can replace Wilderness Survival so you’re not even giving up much to get it.

Staff itself is a great utility weapon. Druids as a whole were lacking a support weapon aside from one skill on warhorn, so getting one is a huge benefit to the profession. On top of that the staff also provides projectile management, great mobility, baked in condi management (which none of our weapons had before), and hard control. It’s an excellent all around weapon that also brings healing support. Pair it with a longbow for raw ranged damage or sword/axe for raw DPS and you have a pretty good spread of skills you can use.

Not to mention the Avatar State which lets you go full tilt with a high mobility greatsword/sword+axe melee damage/control build and STILL have access to a full support set up for team fights. Core ranger is an amazing duelist and WvWvW roamer but has always had a big weakness in team fights. Now we can role with a heavily tuned dueling build and always have access to heavy support skills when the time arises.

Druid gave rangers a new playstyle and access to something we desperately needed, and did it in a way that didn’t overlap with existing support builds. To say it’s completely useless is flat out wrong.

I didn’t say it was completely useless… as long as you want to heal, and again, yes, I read over the dulfy page QUITE A FEW TIMES because I couldn’t actually watch the reveal. I just said it will be useless when we all learn the content and minimize the healing needed. It’ll be just like dungeons when GW2 was first released…

Sure, it’ll be a new playstyle, but that doesn’t mean it’ll be useful.

DId you notice my sig? Yeah, I’m not talking about pvp or wvw. It might be useful for those modes, I wouldn’t know since I don’t play them. I’m talking from a strictly PVE point of view.

Zenos, I’m not going to go round-and-round with you. Time in an instance is important to some, and some it’s not. It’s simple. I said that already. 10 minutes doesn’t matter to you but it does to me. I’m sorry you can’t wrap your mind around that concept that people value things differently. Some of us can and will run the high dps builds in HoT, some can’t and won’t. It is what it is. Birds of a feather will flock together and cut asunder those whom are different. That’s the way it has been and always will be as it is human nature. I will run raids with those of similar time value who don’t want to spend all day in an instance if they don’t have to. Hyper is right. Dungeons were thought to be incredibly difficult when first introduced, and now look. Those who don’t learn the content will fail regardless of gear or builds. Those who learn the content will move on to high dps builds because they can. Raids will be no different than dungeons, mark my words.

Oh, I took the time and read dulfy quite a few times on the Druid reveal…

And no, I wouldn’t bring any Ranger or Druid build into Fractals… or dungeons. Raids? Only if it’s required.

Zenos Osgorma.2936:

TheFantasticGman.9451:

Oh, I’m not disagreeing… Again, what I am saying is that the only way a druid will be brought is that if it is required to have that much healing. Zerks bring just enough CC and support to get the job done (I think I said this already in the bolded parts above)… or they have fantastic DPS. Eles and guards can already bring fantastic healing… so… Yeah. Moot point.

right so you are compairing a STAT SET to a Druid skill set , thats not how it works , the class may bring lots of heal skills those skills also Damage so it won’t be a " required" thing it will be a Optional thing its up the group not if its Required! you are getting close to Zerker Elitism saying its only going to be taken because its Healing is Required get over yourself.

Again, you don’t understand. It’s more than a stat set. Saying “zerker” is merely branding to a build that does, yes, use zerker stats… but sure, go ahead and believe whatever you want and remain ignorant and keep that straw-man to yourself.

By the way, those damages on those heal skills are utter garbage.

I don’t really care if you call me Zerker Elitist or whatever to make yourself feel better. Fact remains the goal of encounters is to kill things, just like it will be in raids. There are people like yourself who won’t mind spending many many hours in the same instance and then there will be people like me who want to get it done and over.

I didn’t say it wouldn’t be fun, because that’s too subjective.

Effective, however, as opposed to what? I wouldn’t bring it in my high level fractals…. because damage needs to be front-loaded. Sure, pugs it probably wouldn’t be too bad though.

Ok, what is your idea of high dps build then? I mean, since you have provided anything to point to what you think of a high dps build…

Happy for y’all that y’all have a good build for PVP.

Yeah, Nike, looks great for PVP but pretty crap for PVE…. especially fractals.

Oh, I’m not disagreeing… Again, what I am saying is that the only way a druid will be brought is that if it is required to have that much healing. Zerks bring just enough CC and support to get the job done (I think I said this already in the bolded parts above)… or they have fantastic DPS. Eles and guards can already bring fantastic healing… so… Yeah. Moot point.

So, I’m a jerk for stating the obvious difference in our view of what is high dps and what isn’t.

10/10.

I think you underestimate the human ability to learn content. It’ll just separate further those than can complete content with zerkers and those that can’t.

And, again, I didn’t say running zerker is no support. You obviously don’t understand if you think it’s all 100% DPS 100% of the time. But, I’ll explain it, again, so listen this time.

We will take the least amount of defensive support and crowd control neccessary to complete content the fastest as possible. Consider that written in stone.

Please reread it as many time as you need to understand the concept.

So, that means, if Sinister gear is the fastest way to complete the new content we will have a Sinister meta. If healing is the fastest way to complete content we will have a healing meta. Do you get it now? It’s all about the fastest way to do it. That’s why a zerker meta exists. Because it’s the fastest way to do content we’ve all done hundreds if not thousands of times. Then again, if things just take too long, some of us just won’t do them. I only have a couple of hours to play a day during the week because I don’t have kids, so likely if the raids take longer than a hour I won’t be doing them except for weekends (and that’s a maybe because I have other things to do most weekends).

None of those words quoted were “TRINITY IS HERE”… But, ok.

Besides, they’re moving away from the trinity they originally wanted to a soft holy trinity.

I don’t think zerker is going away for new content either. If it does, Sinister will replace it. Why? After the 1000th time you’ve done the first raid, do you really want it to take longer than it has to? No. That’s why those of us who’ve done thousands of fractals run zerker. We’ve learned the content. We know how to survive with the least amount of healing. Same thing will happen to raids. The only way for this to happen is for content to be constantly changing and significantly. We will, as a whole, take the least amount of defensive support needed to complete content. That’s why we even have a zerker meta in the first place.

Sure they’re strong only for healing. I strongly disagree any are “cool”. They’re just not worth taking unless you want to do anything other than, again, heal. That’s it. That’s the Druid’s thing is healing just like Irenio said, “HEAVY HEALING”. So yeah, if you want healing the most you will think it’s strong. I don’t. I think it’s a massive wasteland of a trait line outside of wanting to heal.

It’s fine you finally get to play your healer, anri. Happy for you bruh, just sad that it was at the sacrifice of my Ranger’s first elite spec.

And if you think this will make Rangers wanted for content 6 months after release, I have some really really nice ocean from property in Utah to sell you.

Eric.7813:

As I said in another post:
Hold on here, lets think about this logically. When HoT is released, and everyone has their elite specializations, what is going to happen?
Chances are, people will pick and choose skills/weapons and traits that make the most sense for what ever the are doing.
With that said, lets look at the druid.
Lets say one wants to be a healer, they can do that by simply using the druid elite mechanic. they don’t even need to use the glyphs. this leaves 5 utility skills and a another weapon and even two more trait lines to choose from….
hmmm doesn’t look so dedicated healer all of a sudden.

Uh, Yeah. It still looks like a dedicated healer because all of the sudden the last trait line (except for 2 traits) is all about healing.

Eric.7813:

this is true for all these elite specs… most people are going to pick and choose what they want for their builds..

No, what’s true for most of the elite specs is they can do multiple things. For the Druid, it’s healing. That is it’s thing. That’s it. People have DPS/Support/Control in the core classes. Irenio didn’t start out saying “This is Heavy Support” he said “HEAVY HEALING” so. Yeah, that’s the Druid thing. So you can have whatever you want in your Druid build as long as you want healing.

Eric.7813:

The druid is exactly what the ranger needed. It now has very viable options to mix a damage build while having an option of a strong defensive mode.

The druid is exactly what people who want to play healers needed. Nothing more, nothing less. We already had viable options, but none of which were optimal for group content.

Eric.7813:

do you see the whole picture? the ranger can finally compete with all the other OP classes now. yay. we should all be happy.
Druid and the celestial avatar is Amazing.

I think you don’t understand what makes something OP in PVE. I really don’t.
I’m glad you’re happy with the Druid spec, but don’t sit here and pretend it’s roses for everybody. Just like I don’t pretend that people are all displeased as I am with it. I think you’re just sorely blinded by your happiness you have a healer (finally) to play that those rose colored glasses don’t allow you to see it any other way.

Durzlla.6295:

Druid is NOT an upgrade to ranger, it’s a variation, if you want to be damage focused, for the time being, you stick with base ranger and don’t touch druid.

Yup. Stuck with the same ol’ same ol’ for three more years until the next elite spec comes with the next expansion. If my decision to buy the expansion relied solely on the Druid I wouldn’t have bought it. But, because my wife plays the game, I did…. and I like my guild well enough.

Pets still can’t execute attacks while moving, so.. yeah.

This has been needed since forever and we still haven’t gotten it. It’s been sorely needed for proper pet management. Know what else is needed? Keybind for stow/unstow, albeit, not as much as the what the farq is going on with my pet bar.

Gotejjeken.1267:

Eh…equip your Druid with a SB. High DPS.

Can’t tell if srs or trolling…

I don’t think he was talking about PVP, Lettuce.

zapv.8051:

Smokescale will be the best pet I think. A smoke field is really useful.

Yup, and it doesn’t have an incredibly stupid knockback tied to it.

I’m sorry, who said the TRINITY IS HERE besides you?

I tried looking for positives but didn’t find any in the trait lines or the druid mechanic.