Guild Wars 2

I don’t see the Druid spec doing healing better than the Ele or Guard while maintaining the some level of DPS. I’d love to think that the Druid espec would bring me back to the Ranger… but… After playing Ele and Thief, and looking at Rev w/Shiro… I just don’t see Druid doing enough to bring me back to the Ranger. Maybe a future elite spec that dumps the pet and brings lots of damage modifiers would be enough, but … I’m done holding out hope for anything regarding the Ranger.

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

I’m seriously looking at Revenant S/S with Shiro thinking, it is a Sword Ranger with Counterattack and Shadow Strike/Scorpion Wire offhand, LR, heaps longer QZ, no animation lock on AA, and everything else the Ranger should have had. Like, a million times better than Ranger with Sword. As well as being able to trait for bulk life steal.

Rev is also getting a Spotter like trait (the Rev trait will do the same thing) so I’ll take a Rev over a Ranger 100% of the time. I’ve already got all my ascended ready for the Rev so I can run it in Fractal 50s.

Ltomato.8649:

tl;dr

Thought Ranger was in a fine place.
Made my first Ele since launch 2 days ago.
Ranger is not in a fine place.

And now you know why I shelved my Ranger a couple of weeks ago. I play thief, ele, guard, and warrior now (and in that order) pretty much exclusively in Fractals upto 50 with a few p1 dungeons sprinkled in here or there. Maining the thief, with ele running a close 2nd… reason why is there’s already plenty of people out there with eles. That way I can swap to whatever someone needs. That being said I’m still learning optimal rotations and whatnot for those classes since I spent the vast majority of my in-game time on the Ranger… which now I feel was mostly a waste of time.

With Shiro and weapon swap, I’ll be using the Rev now in Dungeons in the next Beta… but I’m not going to worry about a build until Beta hits, at which point I’ll figure out a good build.

At this point it doesn’t matter. As far as Dungeons and Fractals are concerned the Ranger is dead. The Rev now has a spotter trait and much CC. Why do we need to bring in a Ranger? Frost Spirit? One utility skills? LOLWUT

No. As of watching the PoI, the Ranger is officially dead to me.

This Shiro… These changes… Faith has been restored in Roy.

Staff was just terrible with every legend. I’ll never use it unless there’s something OP about it.

DaveyC.4398:

its not actually the first ‘Beta’ though’ is it right?

It is. Before this it was a stress test.

Knighthonor.4061:

looks like Revenant is built around this new group content feature that hasnt been revealed fully yet.

If that’s the case, Rev’s can stay out of my fractal and dungeons runs.

kahzee.6042:

I dont understand why it is important to release a “pure dps” legend. All you are doing with that is pigeon holing people into a spec. All specs should offer at least average dps and the current specs do not do that at all. It doesnt matter what hasnt been released the current revenant that we have needs love.

Ha! But that’s what so many were whinging for! They wanted roles that weren’t DPS… So they’ll spend eternity trying to kill stuff, and those that run DPS builds, won’t.

Crise.9401:

Re Revenant and weapons I would simply combine a legend and weapon swap into one action. Meaning you would have to choose the weapon to use with each legend in advance.

I could deal with that better than no weapon swapping but I would prefer them be independent.

Tungsten Monarch.6058:

How is having the option for melee attack range or 1200 range, be CLUMSY in combat? you make no sense.

That was my thought. I sorely want/need weapon swap on the Rev.

Roy Cronacher.1576:

Sonickeyblade.8415:

Randulf.7614:

I suspect swords will come if shiro is indeed the 4th spec, which strong indications show

Remember, the beta isn’t the full Rev, so plenty to be added yet

That’s pretty fair. I know it’s a beta but I thought all the specs were released/revealed already for it.

We have not released all weapons and legends for the Revenant yet. Right now there is definitely a gap in the playstyles offered as we haven’t discussed the more pure DPS focused setup yet. soon tm.

You also, unfortunately, haven’t released weapon swap for the Revenant yet. Right now there is definitely a need for it because the playstyles offered feel kitten. I fear even the DPS focused setup won’t be enough to change my opinion going off what I have played thus far of it… unless the DPS legend is extremely OP, it will fall short.

Kythan Myr.4719:

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You just can’t make anyone happy anymore can you?

One could never make everyone happy. One could only try to make someone happy.

Still better than the Rev.

Fluffball.8307:

It’s against Anet’s rules to make petitions. They’re aware of all the complaints both against and for rangers.

Yeah, I stopped reading at petitions for that reason.

I see I’m not the only one that’s been drinking heavily this night

Needs weapon swap and in a god kitten hurry.

Darkrai.3596:

LOL wish we could keep it (a level 80 Rev with free exotic armor would be an epic pre-order bonus).

Yeah. This I endorse.

No reason to use Rev over another class, even Necro…. and that says a lot.

So weak and no one in my party better be rocking that weak staff.

Knighthonor.4061:

Moonlit.6421:

What’s the difference between the way this is set up and a thief’s initiative is set up? Honestly asking here bc I didn’t personally see any problem with it

Thief dont have upkeep skills.

and Thief dont start at half.

Thief Utilities dont cost initiatives.

Thief Heal dont cost initiatives.

Thief Elite dont cost initiatives.

thats how its different.

In the business we call this a HEAD SHOT

Zero.8250:

I agree that a weapon swap would be good for the rev. At least the other professions without weapon swaps have ways to make up for it. I don’t think that having a legend swap puts it on the same level as the elementalist or the engineer, but I guess that’s just a lot of people after reading this profession forum.

Fixed that for you.

Good news is Rev sucks more than Ranger.

And skill 1 is the one that is going to be used the most…

Bryzy.2719:

Pick 2 words and give your single most wanted change.

Weak and sluggish.

Please change it so that healing tome auto-follows you, because manual movement is annoying as hell.

kittening kitten

Weapon swap.

Need weapon swap. Bad. I’d really really like to be able to go melee then swap to range while in combat… oh, and traits that don’t suck kitten .

Purple Miku.7032:

I couldn’t even tell which specialization was supposed to be more healing/defensive related, because all 4 specializations were filled with traits that had nothing pertaining to anything relevant in PvE. There were so few of decent traits that this class is really looking like it’s going to be weaker than necro, which says a lot.

I understand there will be 2 more, but just… how could these last two specializations make up for how absolutely terrible the current specializations are?

Thinking realistically it doesn’t look like this is going to be a good class at all. I don’t understand why there’s so much emphasis on healing allies and so little options for people who just want to focus on more offensive builds.

In the few hours I’ve played I agree 100%.

#1: NEEDS WEAPON SWAP

#2: Staff is extremely weak. So kitten weak no matter the gear or traits.

#2.5: Needs weapon swap

#3: Staff needs to hit 5, not three.

#3.5: Needs weapon swap

#4: More squishy than thief without the damage.

#5: Needs weapon swap

#6: Extreme lack of build diversity since there’s only three utilities.

#6.5: Needs weapon swap

#7: Needs more damage so bad.

#7.5: Needs weapon swap

#8: Energy use and cool downs?! WTF? Stop this madness. One or the other, please.

Personally, my Ranger build is weaker than it was prepatch so I have a lot of the same feels the OP does. It does take more time to kill the same stuff than it did before playing exactly as I did before. Now, on the other hand, things die faster with my guard, warrior, ele, and thief using nearly the same builds. Given that the Thief d/d is as close as I can get to Ranger s/d, I’ve decided to main a Thief instead. I’ll wait for the Ranger to not suck again, but I’m not holding any hope. Done with that too. I loved playing a Ranger but done with it now.

And healing spring… that’s just a sack of suck right now.

Alice.5360:

For a game that champions “play as you want”, Anet sure is supporting the ‘stack or gtfo’ meta.

No one is forcing you to play meta. If you don’t want to play meta or efficiently don’t join groups that advertising for meta or efficient play. And the only stacking that is done now-a-days is when you are stacking on something to kill it. There’s no corner stacking anymore… at least most of the time. Oh, and they need to break Symoblic Avenger again.. That was awesome doing lvl 50 fractal in 20 minutes facerolling it.

NTDK.4897:

@OP: if you die 20 times in AC, you should reconsider your playing style. It’s not even gears or traits at that point. Since most PvE are easier now (fractal 49 can be done in 30m easily now). I cant think of why a mix zerk, celestial and Strenght runes would be bad. Seem pretty meta.

It’d be meta on a EA PS Warrior…

And Fractal 50 was 20 minutes with the “broken” symbolic avenger + 5 zerk guards… I really enjoyed it for that week… But yeah, dieing 20 times (although I’m sure exaggerated) in AC, any path, is an indicator OP needs to learn the content better. Even drunk and on my zerk thief or ele I don’t die that much…. not nearly.

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Ah, see, I never bother naming my pets because names don’t stick and I swap them around relatively often depending on what I’m doing. I really hope they fix that issue sometime in the near future.

That has been fixed. Tested it out before I shelved my Ranger. Sofa King Todded stayed on my jungle cat after changing it out, shutting down the app, then opening it back up, then switching back to the jungle cat.

Electro.4173:

Inb4 a million suggestions of “I want a spec that lets us get rid of our pet”.

Inaccurate, as the pitiful Ranger would still have the pet

Future Elite Spec without the pet might make me main a PVE Ranger Spec again… But, that’s at least two years away from happening (judging by how long they’ve been working on HoT).

Elites changing my main? No. Know what did make me change my main? June 23rd patch. Killed my PVE Ranger. Also killed my hopes of Anet fixing PVE Ranger. So, I’ve moved all my ascended stuff from it to my PVE Thief as it will be my new main. Done waiting for Anet to fix the pet and the Ranger.

SkiTz.4590:

Absolutely glad that I have changed my main from ranger to Ele now..

Yup… Switched to maining a PVE Thief now. Took all the ascended my PVE Thief was missing from my PVE Ranger along with mystic conduit, consumables, etc. Now time to learn my PVE Thief like I did the PVE Ranger.

I’m holding no hope for the PVE Ranger. Just time to cut the loses.

Cyninja.2954:

We currently have 25 stat combinations, and only some very few are considered “viable”.

Stats are just stats. Without traits, utilities, and weapon choices they’re just stats. Once you throw in the other three you have builds (some might even argue skill/utitility roation is equally as important). When you start talking builds is when something is “viable” or not. Now, Every single one of the builds is “viable”. Every. Single. One. You can use any build and complete any content. Really. Now, if you are talking about what is “optimal” there can be only one… but then that depends on the goal what “optimal” is referring to. My personal goal is to complete content as quickly as possible as I find this fun and I find it fun to get loot. Would I use Pow/Fer/Condi Dam? Maybe. Depends on if it was optimal to my goals or not.

warbignime.4610:

Dude, we are still in beta and only got about half of the skills. It’s way too early for judgement.

Actually, they’re (Anet) asking for judgement (assess the Rev in it’s current form and provide feedback) as it is now according to the press release.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Ayrilana.1396:

DiogoSilva.7089:

I’m excited to play with the revenant, but three days without progress is going to be cruel. :x It would be lovely if I could get my gold, and put my loot into the bank. After all, why not? What’s to lose?

And will I be able to do my dailies with a revenant? If so, what will happen to any daily chest I get?

We got items from the last beta and were able to deposit collectibles. Whether they actually went there I’m not sure. What he is likely referring to are the items you get for the Revenant such as the equipment boxes, runes, food and such.

I dont know about the second beta but the first beta, items didn’t deposit in your bank. If you used the deposit button in inventory, they were deleted. (I checked. I got a charged lodestone the first beta and “deposited” it).

Since it was said said:
“Q: Will we be gaining currency and things for our live account? or will these still be ENTIRELY walled off characters?
A: You’ll have a beta character slot you can use to create a Revenant. When playing with a beta character: all progress, items, etc. you get will not be saved once the event is completed.”

It means no loot or gold gained while playing. I expect the Rev will not have access to the trading post, email, merchants or your bank

That’s sad. Makes me not want to do ANYTHING that I would normally do because everything I normally do rewards loot/golds.

Just did wurm, literally two minutes ago, and noticed during the “fight” that the Chill condition only stacked duration and not intensity.

From the patch notes:

BALANCE, BUG-FIXING, POLISH
General
Chill condition now stacks to a maximum of 5

So, did that mean it’s not back to a condition duration maximum of 5 minutes instead of 5 stacks of intensity?

Crapgame.6519:

Maybe we should all roll mesmers or a thief?

Don’t see many changes there in Tuesday’s patch…/rollseyes

I’ve pretty much shelved mine where I used it much before… Only sees action now on the WBT. I’ll be moving my acended gear that I’m missing to my thief from my Ranger when I get home today. The patch notes pretty much solidified that. Just bringing in my Guardian, Warrior, Ele, or Thief into fractals/dungeons now-a-days (and for the foreseeable future).

Arantheal.7396:

No.
/15scharrrrrs

Agreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed.

It amounts to the same thing. It’s against ToS.

Cool story, bro.

I really liked WildStar… but can’t fathom paying a sub fee for it. I really need to give TESO a try given how much I do love me some ES lore.

What does it matter? Not like Anet cares about the dung that is dungeons.

Jitters.9401:

Think about it. My thief has a broken trait that has been broken for months and greatly affects my build and play style.

Expect the engi ability to last for months due to their inactivity and sloth work ethics. I will not be buying their upgrade or so called expansion.

I don’t know… they “fixed” Clarion Bond trait pretty kitten quick on Ranger.

Spiuk.8421:

Chilipadiboy.9340:

I am here to speak for the silent majority in the game.

Actually, you don’t speak for anyone else than you.

Quoted for truth.

Time is relative. If you can’t notice it, doesn’t mean others can’t.

I notice, harshly, the time from when I hit 6 to the time it activates.

What might seem like less than a second to you can seem like an eternity to me. Just because it’s not a big deal to you doesn’t mean it’s not a big deal to me. Because time is relative you cannot simply say it’s negligible as you are not interpreting time in exactly the same manner that I am. Maybe if I was less conscious of the time maybe it would seem less of a big deal, but, that’s simply not the case and will not be the case short of altering my reality through outside means (i.e. drugs and/or alcohol).

MattyP.6954:

TheFantasticGman.9451:

MattyP.6954:

Ranger is not a burst class; it is a sustained DPS class.

Always found this comical since an Anet Dev said it because every class has “sustained DPS” … It’s called auto-attack lol

Just some classes have great burst in addition to “sustained DPS”.

If you look at the damage output for every profession against the time of an engagement, some (like Thieves and most Power Burst builds) are very front-loaded—meaning they dump a ton of damage then they run away/restealth/wait for their cooldowns. Power Rangers have a flatter damage curve. That is what I mean by Sustained DPS. If you think that sitting around mashing 1 is ever going to be optimal, I would love to meet you on the Eternal Battlegrounds :-).

This will quickly devolve into a semantics and straw man discussions.

Point 1: Every class has sustained DPS through auto-attack.
Point 2: Some classes have access to burst DPS through non auto-attacks.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sustained — using definition #5

From your point, all you are saying is that Rangers don’t really have burst (or sudden spike in damage) DPS, but that doesn’t mean that Thieves don’t have sustained (to keep up or keep going damage) DPS either… because the Thief auto-attack is sustained (to keep up or keep going damage) DPS, they just have much greater potential for burst (or a sudden spike in damage) DPS than Rangers, Necros, Mesmers, Guardians, or Warriors.

MattyP.6954:

Ranger is not a burst class; it is a sustained DPS class.

Always found this comical since an Anet Dev said it because every class has “sustained DPS” … It’s called auto-attack lol

Just some classes have great burst in addition to “sustained DPS”.

Which game mode?