Guild Wars 2

loseridoit.2756:

i think the class description for ranger should be different

the internet’s favorite class that chases the opponent. these cats rely on the pet player to slow down their meal. despite popular belief, they seem to get along with dogs and bears. the pet always need to be carried with self revive spirits and the cat has to like its pet wounds

Added.

Conan.8046:

Thieve’s seem OP i think they need a nerf.

Das funny

JETWING.2759:

:D

That cannon just ignore my 3200 thougness, and rip 7200 dmg in a single shoot.

Actually I don’t think it does ignore toughness. My Thief got hit for 12.7k

• Temple of the Silent Skritt:
  Everyone caps like normal until 8:30. Then everyone dies in the bottom of a pit trying to press ‘f’ on a shiny thing.
  daze

• Legacy of the Faceroll:
  You can dominate everyone here until they decide to kill a single NPC which automatically allows them to win. Or pile on each other in the center for happy fun times.

• Forest of Nifl’s-hell:
  2 people hold 2 points while 2 other people run back and forth screaming obscenities, whilst a 3rd person generally a Thief dodges around a hostile crowd stabbing giant NPCs in the ankles with pine needles hoping he gets the kill.

• Battle of Shiloh:
  1 Person stands on a point, while the rest eat giant boulders in a tower. fear

• Raid on the Hotjoin:
  People run frantically back and forth between Beach and Dock trying to kill each other, while avoiding the water point as though it’s the plague.

• Spectators Watch:
  A spectating match between watching either team’s Ranger/Elementalist/Guardian try to run the orb. Essentially like football, but less balanced.

• Warrior’s Hammer:
  Control the hammer, control the universe. CC. (Fight over the hammer like Tranquility! Everything you hate in one!)

stun

• Guardian:
  He who spams boons. Generally annoying people by being hard to kill.

• Engineer:
  He who spams conditions. Generally annoying people by spamming conditions. But we’d like you to remember, he’s NOT as strong as the Necromancer. Anymore.
  -Revised He who spams CC.

• Necromancer:
  Lawl fear, burn, torment. GG.

• Elementalist:
  Frustrated with watching his skills inadvertently nerfed to the point of uselessness when Arenanet decided to fix a tooltip, the Elementalist was moments away from suicide when it realized it’s immense AoE/CC could be useful for launching people through glass.

• Warrior:
  When buffs are nerfs and nerfs are nerfs.

• Mesmer:
  He who spams shatter whilst being begged by his team to set us up the portal. Can also manipulate time and space to allow his team to flail pointlessly around 50% faster with a 210 second cooldown. However, recently he has found a new hobby involving sexual activities with giant flightless birds.

• Thief:
  The lowly Scavenger, he preys on the weakest of the pack until people are impressed with his efforts enough to start the mating call, which roughly consists of “Omg Thief is OP l2p”

• Ranger:
  Trained from birth by the legendary Spartan Shaolin nomads to dominate people at a distance using the Bow of the gods. They can also regenerate limbs. Contrary to popular belief, Self-Resurrection is quite common amongst Rangers, due to their communication with the Spirits. NecroRangers and Drake-liches have yet to be seen, though.

• Ranger Pet
  The unsung heroes of PvP, these masters of killing are immensely powerful, intelligent, and handsome. They have been known to eat entire alligators in one bite, and have been accused of causing the Hindenburg disaster of 1937.

knockback

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/necromancer/The-Mighty-Altroll-s-Mighty-Metas/first

There are quite a few builds on that page for performing in different roles you can try if you like. If you need any help using any Necro build, or general help with the class, let me know ingame, I can invite you to the Necro school.

They don’t need anything in return. Currently evasion is the strongest way to mitigate damage in the game. All a skilled Ranger must to do be incredibly hard to kill while still dealing enormous damage, is pack Troll Unguent, focus on Shaman’s gear, and simply spam evades between TU cooldowns.

I would advise:

A) Changing how the cannon works

• 1: Making the AoE dodgeable
• 2: Reducing the cast time of the attack by around 25-50%
• 3: Reducing the size of the AoE by 25%
• 4: Increasing the damage by around 15-25%
• 5: Increasing the cooldown by around 22-33%
• 6: Allow the attack to be avoided through terrain (Such as ducking underneath point B )

B) Changing some of the environmental advantages

• 1: Adding a cooldown to jump pads
• 2: Increasing the time it takes to break glass by 50-85%
• 3: Making it so that Teleports will not allow you to return to the top if you fall
• 4: Increase the size of some of the areas/platforms around point B and some of the middle sections, so as to promote less vertical kiting and to allow for horizontal kiting. Currently it is far too difficulty to avoid many Melee opponents without completely removing them as a threat with the vertical platforms.

C) Changing the Cannon platform

• 1: Add a cooldown to the Cannon portal so that players cannot enter/reenter so quickly.
• 2: Remove some of the breakable glass from the platform
• 3: Make ‘Communing’ to take control of the cannon take 100% longer, and cannot be done through invulnerability.

And yes, I would suggest this map is better played in a ‘team deathmatch’ style of gameplay. There definitely needs to be a new gametype, hopefully one with player transforms, MvPs, and Liches. kittenes love Liches.

Dolyak and Healing Signet are surprisingly undervalued, and I use them on alot of my Warrior builds. Easy damage mitigation, combine that with the Adrenaline healing trait, and regular regeneration, and you are easily a bursting tank. Though, I prefer focusing more on Axe, but using Rifle as a secondary weapon. Rifle can be unreliable, on occasion.

Eurantien.4632:

Positioning and timing aren’t considered skill?

Timing? You’re literally forced to use invulnerability or gtfo on most points. There’s practically no positioning except camping on the top pillars or not standing on glass. Evasive classes such as Ranger and Thief get immediately put at a disadvantage because of that. It’s Battle of Khylo, but bad.

GuilguiS.2738:

“Any map that forces you to rewrite your builds just to be viable is incomprehensibly bad.”

This pretty much sums up how the QQers feel.

LEARN TO PLAY!

Excuse me if I believe that if a single map requires you to either use 2 types of builds, or be completely unviable/suck, that map is designed poorly.

uberkingkong.8041:

kitten s.7421:

Its a interesting map but it is not a tourny map please remove it from the queue. If you want to play it join one of the hundred Skyhammer only maps in spvp

With raid on Capricorn you had underwater which made it not a tournament map, with spirit watch you have people using speedhacks which makes it not a tournament map.

With skyhammer its just all skill, have to learn how to dodge and avoid the knockbacks. Theres nothing un balanced about skyhammer. No reason for it to not be a tournament map. The cannon works pretty similar to trebuchet in khylo one thing different is easier to aim and hits harder.

There is literally no skill involved in Skyhammer. It’s based entirely on builds, luck, and the dumb cannon. The Cannon does not work at all like the Trebuchet, if it did, I’d hate the map a bit less. Firstly there is no skill in it’s usage. Secondly the laser seems to be undodgeable and ignores collision. As far as I’m concerned, you have to have enormous access to stability/Invulnerability or CC just to compete on this map. Which is absolutely stupid. Any map that forces you to rewrite your builds just to be viable is incomprehensibly bad.

jmatb.6307:

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

This is literally the worst map I have ever seen. Thief is unplayable on this map. You either have to fight on point with ALOT of invulnerability/block against the laser, or you’re completely useless. Everyone packs nonsensical CC or Stability. This… map is just awful.

This map negates any skill I may have. Dodging doesn’t even work. Cannot kite effectively either.

You obviously haven’t used scorpion wire on someone into the destructible floor or coordinated a tripwire with a banish from your guard teammate…

You obviously haven’t realized that a Terrormancer/Hammer Warrior can do this far better than a Thief.

I like how the entire kitten ed meta is about to change just for this specific map.

This is literally the worst map I have ever seen. Thief is unplayable on this map. You either have to fight on point with ALOT of invulnerability/block against the laser, or you’re completely useless. Everyone packs nonsensical CC or Stability. This… map is just awful.

This map negates any skill I may have. Dodging doesn’t even work. Cannot kite effectively either.

Necromancers stand on Pillars spamming heavy condition pressure. Engineers sit on points. Random bad player sits on cannon.

Worst map I’ve ever seen.

Weakness.2981:

I’ve been away from gw2 for about 2-3 months and it seems like a lot has changed for this class. I have a level 49 Necromancer and was working toward a condition build based off of lopezirl’s guides but now it looks like those guides were taken down because they were out of date. I’m reading through the old game update notes that I missed but was wondering if anyone could point me in the right direction with a guide to a condition build that reflects the current state of the class, or give me an idea of what the most critical changes have been. Thanks!

-Weak

Talk to me ingame, we have teachers that can aid you.

Berullos.6928:

It makes the necro even more immobilize I feel like im so useless when I run it. Cause you eat all the immobilizes/chills/cripples of your teammates.

So as a personal preference I hate it. But as a dev stand point it ‘should’ be what the necro is built around as support. Taking in teammate condis and transferring it over.

If the signet didn’t transfer immobilizes/chills/cripples I’d love using it.

Get 6 seconds of immobilize, transfer. Problem solved.

It’s not an easy thing to learn, but I swear by it, especially in the current meta.

Plague Signet is incredibly useful.

It does exist, and I agree, but there is simply too much condition damage currently.

RusShiro.9241:

Well, I hope PvP gets more game modes where a warrior condi or not can play

Condition Warriors can be strong if used properly, but are still incredibly weak compared to the post-patch OP Necro.

Relatively small compared to my Necro school, but yes.

[XIX] Legio Undevigesima (19th Legion) is a Warrior/Ranger school. Talk to me ingame if you want to join as a teacher/student.

My Dead Characters.9517:

its called a base to a warrior build that could be viable if tweaked upon by you pro pvpers. im just getting into pvp but have some experience in wvw, and thank you rance and dan for making an actual contribution to this thread and to making a viable warrior build. all you QQ’ers, I can make rough build if I try. I really think this build has potential, I can nearly kill bunker d/d eles with it already.

I’m very glad you’re taking the time to theory craft. There are alot of people in these forums whom are ignorant or simply offensive to those willing to try new things.

If you would like to learn PvP, or hang out with some more like-minded Warriors, talk to me ingame. I’ll invite you to our Warrior school.

Taym.8326:

Should nerf all condition specs if only to see all rangers quit the game because they don’t have a power build.

Yes they do. Try going full signets with Shared signets. I can easily crit for 6k damage off Greatsword 2, while still being survivable.

I don’t see the problem. I had some of my friends from PvP run a few fractals/dungeons with me:

1 Terrormancer
1 Vampire-Wellmancer
1 Prismatic Understanding Condition Mesmer
1 10/30/0/20/0 P/P Thief
1 Trap Ranger (And guess what, his pet never died)

We had 0 difficulty, I think the hatred for certain classes in PvE simply stems from new players that lack an understanding of other classes, or knowledge of the game.

Unfortunately besides runes and food we have no non-trait ways to increase our overall condition/fear duration. I would like them to either replace Sigil of Paralyzation, or add a sigil that increases overall condition duration by 2-5%. Either that or have the damage from Terror go through Stability.

Besides, if they do decide to make SoP work specifically on stuns, then I don’t think anyone would ever use it except maybe a Hammer warrior

They actually used to work upon exiting Lich. But yes, don’t work anymore.

TobMc.4310:

I have recently got into pvp in this game and enjoying it a lot. I played my thief a bit and did ok. Then a guildie have me his trap ranger build and I did good with that in tpvp. I like putting conditions on people so I really want to use my necro but have no build and don’t have a rotation. Can someone give me tips and show me a good competitive build please?

Thanks

Send me a message ingame if you are in NA, I’ll help you.

Monkey boy.1697:

also why no points into spite??

You don’t need 30 points in spite to be good on a Conditionmancer, you know.

Sorry if I offend you, I’m just annoyed by questions/beliefs pertaining to 30/30/10/0/0 builds. He explains that it is not a meta build in the first paragraph if you read it.

I’m not quite sure what you’re asking, does it ignore toughness like other conditions? Yes.

Never mind them, they disagree with my attitude and with nothing else they translate it to my skill/builds which they have never seen/used. I can aid you ingame if you like, and if you don’t like me as a teacher, then one of the other Necro teachers in my guild can help you as well.

Talk to me ingame. I’ll help you make one, if you like.

Xom.9264:

double post…..

might as well fill it

I started with 20% LF but the duel was a waste of time the whole thing was a waste of time. I did not even want to duel did not know I was walking into one, I still had my semi test build on as the utility choices show. Also tut did not use his elite because the fight ended to fast he thought he was winning even if he used elite it was too late my stacks were on him and all his removal skills were down. It was not an accident on my part I waited until his removal was used to do the spike. Not taking anything away from tut, but you should not have dragged others into your grudge match mightaltroll.

It was lame to refuse to fight me mightyaltroll, I think you just wanted to steal the build and in a month or so you will probably post it on the forums calling it themightyaltrollFire spike build. (i joke)

Anyway, dont send random people ingame mightaltroll, you wasted my time…. still it was not a total waste I did leave with a smile on my face when you blocked me. You sure can dish it out but cant take even a fraction back at you.

peace.

p.s. Bas sure I would love a good necro to practice builds with that power build would do well vs a condi spike build, I’m a power necro at heart I think they match up very well vs condi necros.

Amazing lies. You not only lack contextual understanding, but then have the memory of a 95 year old. You started with 100% life force, you spent 2 minutes farming Minions for it. I told Tut NOT to use his Elite, and the match lasted for quite some time. You infact didn’t even fight him in the 1v1 area either. If you actually read my posts before your screenshots of me getting tired of dealing with your nonsense, you would realize that the duel was not a win/lose matter, it was simply looking at how YOU played. Yes, I raged at you, because you’re thick. If you don’t believe me, ask Tut.

Secondly, your first post is completely wrong too,

A) You’re definitely not a top player, and I never accused you of being that.

B) THAT WAS NOT A BUNKER NECRO

C) Learn to understand context. I mentioned 30+ times ingame that it was not a bunker, and atleast 60 times in my post that it was not a bunker Necro. It was NOT EVEN A HARD-DAMAGE NECRO. It’s a control build, look up the “Blind Cold and Afraid” build on the first post. I get mad at you because you’re bloody dense. Even Tut and Roger thought you were dense too.

I’m just going to calm down after this and proceed to ignore you. I can’t rage at randoms like that anymore.

I’d rename it “WvW” to avoid confusion.

Prepatch? Yes. Post patch? Not really. Most people that even main Necro don’t understand Necro, so considering Necro was patched to the point of being blatantly overpowered/broken, I feel you’ll get into any group/guild you want if it’s ran by someone competent. If you aren’t accepted, you didn’t want to be there anyway.

thebignasty.8193:

If a melee necromancer isn’t really about life stealing, how do they work? Do they have other ways of mitigating damage? Is it closer to an unholy DK (still using WoW terminology) where you apply curses and have your minions deal damage while swinging away?

Well, a Melee Necromancer can survive using Deathshroud, or Wells. Well of Darkness is a strong survivability tool. As is interrupting an opponent with Warhorn or DS. However it depends entirely on the build, again. Survivability in GW2 is broken down into offensive and defensive mitigation:

Defensive such as invulnerability, block, Invisibility, and raw Healing mitigation. Necromancer has access only to one of these (raw healing mitigation).

Offensive involving Weakness, Blind, Interrupts, Corrupting/removing their damage modifiers, and Clutter. Necromancer has access to ALL of these.

Defensive Mitigation is much stronger for pure survival, where as offensive mitigation is stronger for simply allowing you to ‘outlive’ your opponent.

Waffler.1257:

Necro was one of the worst, if not the worst, class for a long time so very few people main a necro. Now that they were finally brought up to speed, all the people who made elementalists, mesmers, and thieves are mad because they lost all of their “skill”.

As a long time Necro, we were never bad. We are OP now.

thebignasty.8193:

How are melee necromancers? I’m coming from playing WoW, and I found I liked the death knight class a lot because it was a melee class, but instead of being a traditional tank, it relied on life stealing to stay alive. Are melee necromancers like that or would I be better off just playing a guardian if being ranged doesn’t interest me all that much?

Melee Necromancers are very strong for bursting, but not so much for tanking (which would be the result of strong life stealing, which we do not have). Guardian is a far better tank class for that. In PvE/WvW, you can still get far using life stealing on Rabid/Knight’s, but it all depends on what you want to accomplish with such a build.

Bas.7406:

YOu can do 5 Necromancers, but I would prefer an actual team. Proving that 5 necros can hold their own isn’t the same as proving that your build can be worked into another team comp.

Give me a few days and I will put it together. I am glad you wanted to do this!

Alright then, just inform me what you want.

Bas.7406:

Actually, I will do you one better Altroll. We will host the Might Altroll championship of awesome builds.

You get a team for your team builds, and your solo builds. I am sure I can find a group of guys just itching to duel you in your primo awesome dueling builds.

I will stream it and shoutcast it. We will give you the opportunity to talk about your Meta build before the duels explaining (without yelling) how the build is supposed to work. Than you and your hand picked team can face off against the teams that I will find to face you.

We can start off with say SOAC Blue and Lost (I am sure Avarice wouldn’t mind). I am pretty positive I can get pink and AOTM to jump in on this as well. Then we will also host the 1 on 1 tournament all featured around players who think they can top you.

So now the ball is in your court? Are you up for the challenge or will you stick to letting the forums be your court?

Sure. I’ll put my builds to any test. Though they are not 1v1 builds, and duels do not matter. I will put together a team, if you are serious, and I’ll put them to the test against any challengers. I’ll lead a team of 5 Necromancers against any team you put together. I may not expect to win every match, but I want to prove that a good Necro can handle any role in a team, just as well as any other class.

Blaine Tog.8304:

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

As far as I’m concerned none of you are focused on my builds anymore, and just my general attitude. If you don’t like it, ignore it.

You’re absolutely right: this thread has become strictly an examination of your attitude. But you set it up that way. After all, you explicitly made this thread to try to teach the community.

You take issue with being called a pillar-of-the-community hopeful, so let’s use a word you used yourself: “teacher.” Good teachers don’t rage at their students. They are patient. They engage their students. To invent a statistic, 90% of whether a class is successful or not depends on the teacher, not the material. Being a teacher involves personality, showmanship, and a heapton of patience for stupidity and surliness.

As for the specifics of the duel, you seem angry that Xom acquired as much advantage as he could before fighting, including choose an advantageous location. Why would someone not do that? If anything, that implies he had good tactical knowledge and executed that knowledge appropriately. I don’t play much sPvP, but I don’t remember points being awarded for fighting fair.

I don’t get angry at my students. None of you are my students anyway, if you want to be, I’d be alot nicer.

There is no ‘l2p’ counter for being OP. I tell alot of players that complain about my Necro “Yeah, I know. Sorry about it” then do my best to give them a counter build to mine. I’m forced to use Necro myself against other Necromancers in tournaments.

spoj.9672:

You are one of those forumites aswell though. You disregard almost everyones opinion and claim they are wrong with no proof.

I have said 30,000 times I am willing to step ingame with anyone to prove it to them personally. I tried to do that with Xom, but he was thicker than a boulder, and didn’t even participate further than a single test, which he botched when he gave himself 100% life force after I told him not to.

@Mammoth: You really think that Necromancers can’t be on point? Wow. I’m going to ignore you now.

Craptrain.7203:

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

flow.6043:

Mammoth.1975:

So the blind cold and afraid build gets melted in 15s by the ubercrap 30/30/10 played by one of the worst players you have ever seen. GG owning yourself repeatedly in the face.

I laughed so hard at this xD

To be fair, if Tut Tut really just had 0% lf then yeah… kinda hard to battle another necro with 100%.
On the other hand, how can you (Altroll) evaluate Xom’s capabilities as a player if you observed one match that lasted 15 seconds against a build that isn’t made for dueling?
Wouldn’t it have been a lot better (for educational purposes) to fight Xom yourself with a competetive build, like your potentate…?

It wasn’t 15 seconds, it lasted around 23-35 seconds, which is average for a duel. He also decided to kite Tut into a small area where he could use Fear to his advantage.

Anyhow, that was the next step. I was going to test him personally on multiple classes and some of my Necro builds. My first fight against him I was going to use my Warrior, until he quit the test and went on to say this:

Which I actually was going to agree to and use my Potentate/Tormentor under 1 condition, that the fight take place on point. Which he swiftly ignored and told me that I could not use my Necro.

The screenshot attached to this post makes you look a lot worse than it makes Xo look. Just sayin’.

There was alot of his nonsense leading up to that, after a while Tut and myself got tired of him. I realized it was going no where. I didn’t screenshot until after he started being weird and quit the test. I was as respectable/nice as I could possibly be in the beginning, though still cynical that it wouldn’t work. I’ve dealt with forumites before in competitive games, and they are generally never swayed. As far as I’m concerned none of you are focused on my builds anymore, and just my general attitude. If you don’t like it, ignore it.

If you do not believe my screenshots/word, Tut Tut is my witness, and halfway through the conversation another person with no past ties to me joined the convo and also began to immediately find Xom to be unable to understand basic subject matter, he also apparently found Xom to be unpleasant, though I thought he was pleasant, just misguided.

Mammoth, you do realize that Blind Cold and Afraid is also glassy, right? Again, 100% Life force vs 0% life force. Learn to read context for the billionth time. Because if you continue to fail reading context, I’m going to ignore the rest of your posts like I should have done in all of your posts on every thread ever.

Spoj, he didn’t want me to duel on my Necro. He told me to duel on a different class, and actually wanted to fight my Warrior in a 1v1 for deletion of an 80. Which I still could have probably beaten him on. Then when I accepted and suggested for a point-fight simulating a tourney environment, he backed out. Besides, duels don’t matter.

Mammoth.1975:

My favourite part right now is how you’re arguing that 30/30/10 is a better 1v1 build than your ‘team’ build. 30/30/10 is a team build. It’s crap 1v1, but it’s very very good at filling a couple of key roles on teams.

You still fail to understand context. 30/30/10/0/0 has alot of damage behind it. My Blind Cold and Afraid build has virtually no strong damage behind it, it is purely based on control conditions. It’s job is to SHUT DOWN an enemy team for your team to wipe them out. You’re just as bad as Xom at understanding context, atleast most of these other players are reasonable in this thread. You and he are simply pathetic.

flow.6043:

Mammoth.1975:

So the blind cold and afraid build gets melted in 15s by the ubercrap 30/30/10 played by one of the worst players you have ever seen. GG owning yourself repeatedly in the face.

I laughed so hard at this xD

To be fair, if Tut Tut really just had 0% lf then yeah… kinda hard to battle another necro with 100%.
On the other hand, how can you (Altroll) evaluate Xom’s capabilities as a player if you observed one match that lasted 15 seconds against a build that isn’t made for dueling?
Wouldn’t it have been a lot better (for educational purposes) to fight Xom yourself with a competetive build, like your potentate…?

It wasn’t 15 seconds, it lasted around 23-35 seconds, which is average for a duel. He also decided to kite Tut into a small area where he could use Fear to his advantage.

Anyhow, that was the next step. I was going to test him personally on multiple classes and some of my Necro builds. My first fight against him I was going to use my Warrior, until he quit the test and went on to say this:

Which I actually was going to agree to and use my Potentate/Tormentor under 1 condition, that the fight take place on point. Which he swiftly ignored and told me that I could not use my Necro.

Blaine Tog.8304:

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

I actually have screenshots of you failing to miss context when 2-3 people were explaining subject matter to you.

Care to post them? While they wouldn’t definitively resolve this he-said-she-said you two have going, it would be nice to have something concrete in evidence.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Why should I be willing to listen to his advice, when I honestly offered to HELP HIM LEARN ONE OF MY BUILDS so that I could sway his opinion, yet he denied it.

You were trying to convince him that you’re right. You weren’t doing him a favor, and it is misleading to imply that you were.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Mammoth.1975:

So the blind cold and afraid build gets melted in 15s by the ubercrap 30/30/10 played by one of the worst players you have ever seen. GG owning yourself repeatedly in the face.

Way to miss context much like Xom. It’s not a 1v1 build, it’s not effective at winning on it’s own. It’s a team build that practically gimps another team with control conditions. I told Xom long before the match that the duel would not matter, whether or not he wins or loses. I had multiple tests lined up.

Ok, but a “team build” that melts in 15 seconds to a player you claim is terrible and using a terrible build doesn’t really help your argument. Team builds still need to survive more than 15 seconds against terrible players. Am I wrong?

It wasn’t 15 seconds, by the way, and again, Xom stacked everything in his favor regardless. Tut Tut didn’t use his elite, didn’t have Deathshroud, and it wasn’t an on-point/team battle.

Also, I’ll give you one screenshot for now until I sort them:

I was trying to be as respectable as I possibly could, to take him seriously, and try to show him why my builds are good.

Mammoth.1975:

So the blind cold and afraid build gets melted in 15s by the ubercrap 30/30/10 played by one of the worst players you have ever seen. GG owning yourself repeatedly in the face.

Way to miss context much like Xom. It’s not a 1v1 build, it’s not effective at winning on it’s own. It’s a team build that practically gimps another team with control conditions. I told Xom long before the match that the duel would not matter, whether or not he wins or loses. I had multiple tests lined up with other builds. I guarantee that he would have lost against the other builds as well. Also, even if the duel did matter, he started out with 100% life force whereas Tut Tut started with 0%.

I don’t know if this is sarcasm or not. We had alot of those.

Xom.9264:

Spazza.6024:

Oooo i want to fight the build that killed his bunker in 15 seconds! What class was it? (My guess is was a thief? s/d more than likely?)

It was my necro….. running the build he said multiple times in this very thread is terrible. Anyway point is guardian would of lasted much long same with an eng if I could even manage the solo kill same with ele. He died fast for a few reason but mainly no stability.

Want to know why I got annoyed at you? Because you don’t understand context at all. I explained to you 15 times that the build was not a bunker, and that it was not a test of builds. You were infact fighting my “Blind Cold and Afraid” build being ran by someone new, it has virtually no single target pressure, and is made to control groups of enemies using Chill, Blind, Poison, and Fear. I wanted to see how well you actually played the class. I spectated you, saw how you played, with the honest intention of seeing if I should be willing to listen to your ‘advice’ or not. You turned out to be one of the worst Necro players I have ever seen, with no knowledge of tPvP whatsoever. Which I could have looked past if you had any possible way of understanding CONTEXT. Which you do not. I explained 500 times that duels do not matter, that this was simply to see how you performed.

You kept saying that you beat a 1v1 build when we kept explaining to you that it was -NOT- a 1v1 build. It was a 5v5 build with NO focus on severe damage, unlike your 30/30/10/0/0. I had Tut Tut use the build, so that I could test how well you performed when being consistently controlled, I was going to also test you on different classes/builds. Again, to see if you knew what you were talking about enough to actually legitimately criticize me. However you left after the first test, claiming to have beaten a duelist build when we told you 100 times you were wrong. You even would have lost too had you not started out the match farming Life Force with minions to fight someone with 0% life force too. So the test was moot, not that winning/losing in 1v1s matters anyway.

I actually have screenshots of you failing to miss context when 2-3 people were explaining subject matter to you. THAT is why I’m no longer willing to take you seriously.

Now, taking all of that into account, that:

A) Xom doesn’t know Necro very well

B) He doesn’t understand tPvP very well

C) He does not have the capability of understanding subject matter/context of sentences.

Why should I be willing to listen to his advice, when I honestly offered to HELP HIM LEARN ONE OF MY BUILDS so that I could sway his opinion, yet he denied it. I was willing to sway his opinion, or to admit I was wrong. No, he is an impudent Necromancer with nothing to show for it.

spoj.9672:

Atleast he doesnt outright claim hes the best and say all top players are scrubs.

I never claimed that either. Zombify is a far better Necro than I, but I guarantee I have better builds than he does.

As for the Potentate thing, I don’t know if you used it well, since it is a very difficult build to master. I have yet to see many people use it properly without direct help from myself. However I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt, and say you used it perfectly. If that is the case, please explain in detail where you felt it had severe weakness. I only know of 2 major weaknesses to the build, heavy CC focus (which is a problem for Necro in general), and off-point fighting (which is why I don’t recommend it for WvW). By the way, I wouldn’t use the gameplay video as a 100% flawless guide, I simply recorded it to give people an sense of direction of how to use it, I cannot play well at all with my recording software running since it lags me something awful. I made about 10,000 mistakes during that record.

Xom.9264:

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Alright, I’m done fighting these people. I talked to Xom ingame and got my answer. These builds work if you give them a try, if you need help learning them or have questions about them, talk to me ingame or PM.

That’s all I have left to say here.

I want to let everyone know for a the longest time I thought this fellow was a epic level troll pulling one over on all of us. Well he did send me in game, I can confirm 100% he firmly believes what he posts and much more with no middle ground.

So he is not a troll after all, kind of a shocker for me, he is trying to help.

@MightyAltroll take a few weeks and get to the leader boards its not hard even a terrible necro running a bad spec that does not even know the class like me did it without actually trying to do it. You might gain some perspective and I think it would serve you well in your effort to help the necro community.

No. I don’t care about Leaderboards. No one should. I serve the Necro community fine as is, I have aided many players to becoming proficient, some even becoming incredibly good, which go on to teach more Necromancers in my school themselves. I simply was asked to post my more viable builds on the forums by people that liked them.

Bas.7406:

murmelz.8539:

lol… you’re not engineering a space shuttle…
acting like you’ve invented something big,
this is just a game. everyone can make a build that works for them, no science… really

Actually it is a science, there is a lot of math, graphs, and analyzing, testing, and proving in order to make a build. It’s as much of a science as great gameplay is an art form. If you don’t think watching great gamers play is an art form than you are missing out. Watch Jumper, Zombify, Zoose, Koroshi, Teldoo, Helseth, or Danto play and then watch me play, and you will see the beauty in how they play. The constant weaving of skills while keeping everything going.

It’s incredible how once a mistake is made a top player will say, “He is dead, but he just doesn’t know it yet.” It’s a beautiful thing. They can do things that we can’t do at a level that most of us hope to come close too. If you don’t believe me watch the last mist league match with SOAC Blue versus OP. Watch how ridiculous Zoose is with the elementalist, than realize that the player he replaced for that game is still one of the top 10 at his position and couldn’t do what he did.

Alright, I’m done fighting these people. I talked to Xom ingame and got my answer. These builds work if you give them a try, if you need help learning them or have questions about them, talk to me ingame or PM.

That’s all I have left to say here.