how is it people are still seeing incredible burst damage from some classes and when I say some we are talking about killshot from warriors and thieves who still do way more damage than any other class.
I now see an alarming trend in WvW, the maps are filled with thieves heartseeking and Infiltrator Arrow’ing their way across the map with nearly no chance to even get close to them. People have started to adopt the mentality of “if you can’t beat them join them”
I’m just wondering whether Anet thinks everything is working as intended or more balancing patches are in development.
i thought they patched burst damage from thieves and warriors (killshot)
Only way for SoS to survive is they have to earn enough points in US prime time to survive the night.
I was on at 5am ET a few days back (newborn baby up all night) and SoS had +375 points. I don’t think you guys have any coverage issues whatsoever.
That would still be Oceanic primetime. When that ends we tend to lose points until the US guys wake up. So we lack Euro coverage I guess.
its completely this ^. We lack euro coverage. I’ve noticed that’s when JQ starts earning a lot of their points. They have some either dedicated asian guilds (playing late into the night) or some euro presence.
wow this is an incredibly lame tactic! do people really care that much about winning in WvW to do this?
it might help with thieves being stealthed 90% of the time during a fight.
i love seeing these screenshots.. someone should post a sos screenshot and show what we talk about.
“leave JQ alone because they are nice guys and hit SBI hard”
i’m joking of course…
JQ have been showing up in force this week, how are they not second place? for the last 3-4 days SBI have hardly been seen until today? Was there another 1 time event I was not aware of?
SBI were so dominate earlier this week a good 15k ahead of everyone and then disappeared? where to? why?
PRX carry SoS so hard. Good to see HoD back on top.
Yes, one guild alone carried all borderlands at once to get us enough point to regain the lead.. Yes, your logic is amusing.
Alsonia is obviously hurt about something that he feels the need to troll this thread. Why are you so angry and hurt Alsonia? is it because since leaving SoS they have done a lot better and you bandwagoning to a then T1 server are now T2?
@halfsquelch.3465
May I ask what is wrong with preventing the enemy from getting blue print? Why do you think it is immature? Is not like the whole army is camping with siege. JQ has been T1 for very long. Statement like JQ didn’t get to T1 for being honorable gamers is not fair.
nothing is wrong with it, in fact its supposed to be a zone to fight in. But I can understand why halfsqualch is annoyed, no one likes getting 2-shotted by the thief, especially me.
I thought it was fun last friday when JQ and SBI turned up to stop us from controlling the JP. The biggest fight over all the maps was inside the EB JP.
Looks like this is double teaming… IT HAPPENS, tactic is obviously to use JQ to our advantage, this is intentional but hasn’t been discussed with any JQ What so ever. (We have little control on what JQ does).
perfectly good tactics being displayed there. “hey look JQ is camping SBI, quick lets take mendons while they are busy”
its not “hey thanks JQ, you camp them while we take mendons… we’ll owe you one later, ok?”
even though I say that, I do kind of like the JQ bunch – they complain less
this thread is heading towards getting locked.
for the record, on JQ BL today SoS had to split their forces to deal with both SBI and JQ so its hardly an organised 2v1. It was near impossible to deal with both forces and ended up being a stalemate.
don’t think for one second we’ve somehow contacted JQ sat down and talked about how we’re going to double team SBI.
I like the idea of advertising this.
I wish there was some kind of noticeboard type system implemented into the game where groups of people can set up a time to take on the larger chain quests.
it would create a better community knowing you can join larger organised groups to tackle these often left alone DEs.
The last game I played botters made up more than +30% of most BG’s I played, they were everywhere tagging quest mobs which made it difficult. And they were still there and still are years later.
meanwhile Anet cleaned them out in only a few months. nice work.
I’m just now realizing months after release there’s not really anything to do.
What else is there? What else would you like to see added?
It really helps if you are playing with mates on vent/mumble/teamspeak. It makes everything much more interesting, dungeons and especially WvW.
Even though I already have a few level 80’s they don’t feel like level 80’s because I don’t have the BiS items. even my most geared character still doesn’t feel right because I haven’t bought/made/got all the things I want for him.
GW2 endgame is much larger than people told me since I haven’t reached the end where I feel like I can retire a character because he has completed everything I want to complete.
Lol, that was funny yesterday. SoS hit hills with golems while JQ had the exact same plan. Total coincidence, but felt like we were double teaming SBI.
Yeah, those instances are pretty comical. What’s the etiquette? Is there a give way rule? lol.
always give way to the omega golem or else become roadkill
SoS’ main force are doing fractals this week, dont get too comfy up there SBI, next week its back on.
Last week when fractals were released, and the one time only new event, SBI players attended… and some SOS players on the forums said “stop making excuses”. when SBI players said next week, some SOS players said “stop making excuses”.
What a difference a week makes.
actually I’m pretty sure that was BG people who said that.
We were just happy enough to be in T1, winning and still doing the 1 time events. That was my focus anyway. Now that I was part of taking the top spot I took my foot off the pedal. Haven’t spent more than 4-5 hours in pvp this week and everytime I do its been a mess, maps with no commanders, random pver’s and just basic chaos.
Just saying its what its like atm which was completely different from last week. Not an excuse, just saying its how it is. SBI fully deserve to be winning right now I think coming last in the previous match must of sparked some interest back into WvW which is a good response.
I have not seen this.
lol, I think that’s the main idea behind perma stealth.
That’s standard fare for being a T1 server. Welcome to the world of band wagoners. Don’t worry, you’ll get used to it.
I would love to agree with you but the problem is we are lacking serious numbers of people that actually have played WvW before. I think they burnt themselves out last week. Now we have everyone lvling up alts. This was another gem I heard from some random
“Do weapons lvl up in here as well”
“NO, if you have a lvl 60 weapon it will be underpowered, what lvl are you”
“10”
“F.F.S”
actually no one said that last line but that’s what I was thinking when I glanced at map chat… I guess if it wasn’t for the bangwagoners we’d have no one on so at least they are a meat shield of sorts. 5
wow this week is completely different from last, seems like all the pvp players are taking a break and have been replaced by pve players. I just stepped out of a BL and this was the conversation
“do thieves have an ability to make you skip the downed state?”
“you probably died too much”
“where is our main force?”
“we don’t have one”
“I can’t build siege is this map bugged?”
“you can’t build in the citadel grounds”
“Can I get a rez I’ve fallen off a cliff”
“where are you?”
seriously, our main guilds aren’t showing up (taking a well deserved break probably) and now the maps are full of randoms. Lets hope we hang in there and not drop down to T2 just yet. But a good beating is what is required.
I truly felt sorry for the commanders online having to deal with these people, it was like herding cats.
Some dude called Jackin Kidz was building rams in our keep to waste supplies. Does anyone know if I can find someone in a guild called Fotm? That is where he from.
Sounds like SBI has a few guys giving their server a bad name, dumping golems off the garrison vista (impressive if he was learning how to operate a golem inside the enemy garrison walls that’s a trick I’d like to know) and now this.
Truthfully, though, JQ could really benefit from a few organized EU guilds transferring onto the server.
we all could, but I guess the EU guilds are playing on the EU servers.
When I encounter a thief in wvw, I immediately hit 2. This creates a clone of your corpse and teleports you to a random location. Then try to target him and hit 1111 this causes a small amount of damage and stacks confusion making it harder for hit to kill all your friends as well.
LOL!! thank you this post made my day. I was half asleep when reading this and actually thought it was a viable tactic until I read it again.
You are selling your NA and especially your EU players short.
who exactly ARE our EU players (guilds) I’m never on when they are playing. From what I can see JQ always dominates during the EU times.
I really would like to know.
The current scores as of 9:45 pm PST on Thanksgiving night 11/22.
I might not be updating the answer regularly from here until reset, so if you want the absolute latest score please check the end of the thread.Sea of Sorrows 218,849 (+275) Jade Quarry 165,790 (+155) Stormbluff Isle 163,683 (+265) Turkey 1 Keg 0Congratulations to SoS on an exciting first week in tier one and a well deserved victory. You came, you saw, you conquered. You showed us how hungry you all were, a feeling that on this Thanksgiving night I believe I will never feel again. You showed class and poise, something we appreciate in this tier. Most of all you showed generosity and I look forward to knowing that in our loss we were at least able to help out through your charitable donation.
Though we were never quite able to recover from that 30-40k point lead, I’m happy to see that both JQ and SBI are still putting up a fight even as I write this. This week has been the most fun I’ve had in a long time of WvW despite the image below aptly describing how it felt from our perspective. I’m sure many great battles lie ahead, but for now let’s all congratulate SoS on their win.
what a nice guy!! I’m supposed to hate you SBI guys and try everything in my power to kill you. but this gave me the warm fuzzies.
cheers SBI, not your all bad at all.
so, about 3 more hours and it becomes impossible for anyone but SoS to win
right now on EB the biggest fights are in the jumping puzzle. I think everyone seems content to ride it out how it has been playing all week. JQ and SBI are very close though. It will be interesting to see if SBI can fight back from last place.
SoS q times currently are instant for all BL’s and maybe a 10-15 q for EB. But thats normal since a lot of the randoms end up in EB crying about x guild camping the jumping puzzle since they heard a precusor dropped from the chest there once.
thanks for the info guys. interesting reading. From what you have all said this is what I’ll do:
Sounds like I’ll run with a sword/pistol (for blurred frenzy (counter the thief’s opener) and the pistol stun) and a staff for (2,3,4,5) which I’ll have to faceroll the keyboard to get them out as fast as possible (2 first)
use the heal which has extra heal for each illusion that is up since I will be having a lot of them up quickly.
spec 30 into toughness, get to lvl 80 as fast as possible and get a bunch of rare’s.
for my utilities I’ll use decoy, blink and mirror images and basically cover the field with constant illusions. Then (f4) distortion and then quickly create more for mind wreck.
and finally I need eyes in the back of my head. i.e don’t tunnel vision when moving around.
@ djmckie.4876 – yes it is a bit annoying that I have to build my character in a way to survive thieves but I believe if I can survive them I can survive against all the rest as well.
SoS had to put in the effort this week, we expected that the two T1 servers would put the pressure on and they have. Constantly getting hit from both sides and its been a struggle to hold both teams off. EB is nearly impossible to gain a foothold into the enemy territory. Push into one and the other pushes back.
I have to admit that this week has been the most fun in WvW to date, and the scores don’t really reflect how close the battles have been.
I recently created a mesmer and have been levelling her up and playing a bit of WvW at lvl40 (scaled to 80 but obviously without exotic gear or top tier traits)
Anyway thiefs have been basically killing me without a chance to use decoy. Its basically me walking around then BOOM! I’m dead. check the combat log and all these massive numbers from CnD, Backstab, steal etc. I’m aware thiefs do high damage since my main is a guardian but normally I can go toe to toe with a thief until they stealth and run away.
Mesmers on the other hand seem to explode. So my question is how do people combat thieves? Most classes seem to build themselves around surviving a thief’s burst like I have my guardian. How do I build my mesmer to stop the burst from being so deadly but not so much as to stop me from doing damage. i.e just stacking toughness and vitality. I just want to survive longer than a second and actually have a chance of fighting back.
any suggestions from the mesmer community on builds, traits, skills, weapon choice, tactics would be much appreciated.. (and if your not wanting to give away trade secrets publicly feel free to message me) thanks.
Why are we losing bad to these newcomers to T1.
Beats me. I don’t know how we’re winning. We had no commander/pvp guild on SoS BL for a major portion of today. Kudos to the random guys that stepped up and tried to herd the cats around the map without any magical blue icon to follow, no one willing to spend money on upgrades, no one willing to drop siege. It was a nightmare.
/edit – after losing most the map we now hold everything on SoS BL. this game is all over the place
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If there’s anything more enjoyable than spawn camping JQ, I’m yet to find it.
Not really hard to spawn camp 20 people with 60 man zergs……….
yeah spawn camping JQ on EB while the other maps are lacking in SoS numbers is not so cool.
Believe it or not SoS is still lacking the numbers, SBI are everywhere and JQ are nowhere. How JQ are still so close to SBI is beyond me, maybe they have a strong EU presence? do they?
SBI was also very effective last night at countering portal bombs, which was pretty cool to see, they’d portal bomb our portal bomb a second or so after we dropped ours. That takes a lot of co-ordination, and was pretty kitten cool.
Ha ha, yeah that was fun. Trying to figure out where you guys are going to portal bomb us and being patient enough to use ours at the right time. Our coordination these days is rough because it’s like pulling teeth trying to get people into teamspeak. We maybe had 10 people on last night and the rest is us pleading with people in chat to stay on the commander. SoS seems to have more disciplined people in that regard.
It’s been fun.
that was doing my head in, your mesmer must of been following ours around because the moment we dropped ours you dropped yours.
I was like holy kitten they have portalled right behind us, and you kept on doing it all during last night. that was some crazy stuff.
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BG is outplaying us in Tier 2 with superior tactics and better players. Much respect to them…..
I can’t say the same for Sea of Sorrows.
well you should of been there during our last match instead of transferring off the SoR server to avoid the fight, then transferring back when it was all over. I don’t know how the other SoR guilds could possible respect you after pulling that move.
some fierce battles today, just wish SBI and JQ would focus their attentions on each other and give us a break. Talk about feeling like the meat in the sandwich now I truly know what it feels like to be in T1. its a non-stop onslaught.
weird. All i can think is why doesn’t JQ get off our kitten and attack who’s in first place haha.
really? well today: SBI pushed us across the southern part of map until we had only Bay to defend, JQ pushed us south so we only had Bay left and SBI broke through from the south while JQ broke through from the north. It was a three way battle for Bay.
We sat there on the walls watching both teams try to hammer down the inner walls. It was an onslaught of epic proportions. Almost like a race to see which team broke through the inner wall first. JQ won out in the end.
This was true WvW – intense battles.
some fierce battles today, just wish SBI and JQ would focus their attentions on each other and give us a break. Talk about feeling like the meat in the sandwich now I truly know what it feels like to be in T1. its a non-stop onslaught.
I can’t believe daish switch to the SBI server, he’s gonna to spam map chat and confuse everyone, he’ll probably wear his commander tag and split up forces and lead them to their doom.
He has some reasonably good ideas now and again but doesn’t play well with others and speaks in 3rd person all the time which does my head in. Who really wants to follow a commander around that you suspect is a bit nuts.
You guys can have him.
During Asia prime, you have a large force and JQ/SBI have almost no force. You are able to take the entire map with little to no resistance. The end result is you gain a lot.
This is ultimately the problem with a 3 server system…
If it was 2 servers it would be balanced because you would alternate times of strength. The better server would truly win. But because it’s a 3 server system, JQ and SBI end up fighting each other during times of strength meanwhile your strength goes unopposed.
you really think a T1 server only has decent coverage 1/3 of the time. We couldn’t reach T1 without the having good NA guilds.
You keep thinking that having 90% coverage during oceanic timezone wins matches then you will ultimately fail.
Good read.
People are talking about things here that I, thief myself, am not capable of performing.
If YOU want to be noticed and your issue to be ever considered, first thing to do is to make sure that what you are saying here is true.
I basically run around with a thief in WvW and on mumble constantly asking him questions about how the kitten did that thief manage to do that. I agree its easier to fight thieves when you know what they can do, and its helping. Still doesn’t change the fact they have extremely high damage, much higher than any other class and rangers and elementalists can be just as squishy and do no where as near the amount of damage a thief can do (and they can’t even stealth and zip across the map unseen).
The culling is a major issue because that 3 second unstealthed debuff is now only a 1 second debuff by the time the thief actually gets rendered.
I will say that killing a thief is one of the most satisfying things in WvW. “Try backstabbing me now” as I jump up and down on their face.
I’d just assume stay in Tier 2 then ever have to play SoS again.
It’s no coincidence that Blacktide (Russia) and Sea of Sorrows (Oceanic) are the #1 servers in each bracket figuring as they have 90% of the players that play in that particular time zone.
wow really? so a server that has 90% coverage for a 1/3 of the time and 10% coverage for 2/3 of the time should be outright winners.
How do you come to these kind of conclusions?
The only reason SoS managed to move up is the influx of NA guilds allowing us cover map 2/3 of the time. We lack numbers during the EU hours but so do most that play on NA servers.
seriously your logic is mindboggling.
SoS you guys are doing a great job, but you’re not showing us anything that we haven’t seen or encountered already.
I find this amusing, not in a nasty way but I was hoping the opposite would happen. Coming from T2 I wanted to see what crazy inventive tactics T1 servers used to stay up in T1, not have us (SoS) teach the T1 guys new stuff.
I see a zerg 30+ running back and forth flipping supply camps in north EB, I also see SBI send squads out to take out yaks. (I enjoy those fights, lose some, win some – its been fun), couple of golem rushes from SBI.
One thing I was impressed with is the way JQ stuck in there at one point with the outmanned buff. They still managed to hold onto their outpost even when outmanned using good siege placements.
The weeks not over and from what I read SBI always come back later on during the week. I’ll be looking forward to seeing this.
Since this thread is in the WvW forum and not the sPvP I will address thieves from that viewpoint only.
Thieves are fine to deal with most the time but everytime I see I high spike in damage its always and I mean always from a thief. No other class ever does over 1k damage to me (I have stacked everything into toughness) except a thief who normally hits for twice as much damage as anyone else. But if I survive the burst then it becomes an interesting fight. unless…
My main gripe is when a thief is starting to lose, he pops stealth and runs away like a little girl much faster then I can (his 25% speed boost), then uses that bow ability to gain more distance and he’s gone – all while stealthed. I can’t target him to snare him because he’s stealthed and before I know it he’s half the map away.
They currently have the highest damage in the game by a mile and the best escape mechanisms, the best condition damage (if non burst spec’d), highest burst damage (at least I can see hundred blades coming)
there is a good reason why thieves are the most complained about class, and its funny listening to the people who main as a thief trying to defend their class.
What is not up to the task is underlying distributed server infrastructure. Have you noticed that when people load, they load mostly all at once, and fully, so you see entire model, with race, type of armor they have and so on…
since it is a server side issue, and they are throttling the info sent to your machine due to the large amount of data that is needed to be sent in large battles, I would even be happy if they toned back the info sent about each model. Perhaps a generic look for each class so you at least you see them before they bombard your line with huge packets of data.
I know why they have designed it this way because it makes playing the game seem lag free. Works wonders in PvE but obviously it doesn’t work in WvW (still lag free but you can’t see anyone)
If they decided not to throttle the amount of data needed to view all the players, their gear, the way they have been designed, weapons you would need to be sitting on top of their servers to recieve all that info without lag.
They have to streamline the data sent for each model.
I c them using a lot of the in game sources for the best result but.. just keeps bugging me that they’ve gotten dirtier on wvw..
but it’s not the end yet.
let’s keep up til friday nite !
funny how you think these tactics are dirty, perhaps we should build our golems out in the open to be more sporting.
It sounds like infusions will be a reward for all dungeons…. but we’re not quite sure yet the path to obtaining ascended item and infusions.
exactly this. nobody really knows although the OP is quickly to jump on the QQ bandwagon and cry about it. He’s just making stuff up without any proof. Who knows whether you can or cannot get ascended gear from other dungeons.
this is not good, it should be purely cosmetic. Allow the new armour to have some kind of special effect but not better stats.
I left WoW where the grind for gear was horrible, please don’t tell me its going to happen again.
SoS seems to be doing good on every map but IOJ. Almost every time I check they don’t even have a supply camp.
Looks like you discovered our weak point. Yes, we don’t have enough people in NA prime time during the weekdays to fill up all maps. Don’t worry, we will keep fighting.
Funny, the server says full though. :/
The only thing that matters is whether people are in WvW, not goofing around with dungeons, lvling alts, getting legendaries etc. I’m actually surprised that even in the oceanic times there are no queues on any BL except on EB. We still have large numbers on most maps just not like the weekend when queue times were 30+ mins.
IoJ, Loved fighting you guys in Godslore for what seemed to be an eternity tonight. That was allot of fun. SoS, Golem rushed us twice.
They golem rushed a supply camp? what exactly were they trying to break down in there?
No my friend it’s not the feeling. SoS knocked down briar wall and let IoJ cap.
Also IoJ and SoS were in large groups on the SoS map dancing together. Again very entertaining.
of course you got a screenshot of this. You’re not fooling anyone.
Things are getting interesting for 2nd place.