Guild Wars 2

Hmmm looks like SoS needs to focus on JQ from now on. BG should do the same and close the margin.

this match has been interesting with each server taking the PPT lead at their strongest time zone.

It’s going to be a close finish if things continue the way they are currently. Only if you managed to stop us (SoS) from gaining the early advantage things would be even closer, and more interesting.

I recently created another alt and went back to Orr and those 3 zones are empty. Very empty. A lot of the places I used to visit are overrun (contested) and full of those annoying risen. It’s such an amazing visual place but its also so painful to play in.

- Firstly the risen are EVERYWHERE in the three zones, its just boring seeing all the undead. No variety. Different types of creatures not just undead would be a good start, and perhaps decrease the amount of them. Have populated areas but not just everywhere.

- Its a horrible place to move around or attempt to clear an area since the respawn time is very short, and the amount of snares and pulls are annoying.

- most of the bases are overrun since no one goes there anymore and its very difficult to clear an area if you don’t have others to help. Perhaps more events with NPC’s to clear them with your help?

Such a nice area but its so hideous to play in without a lot of people helping you, it was great when everyone was leveling but now its deserted.

just trying a staff condition build but I’m finding the DoTs a bit weak in comparison to some of the hard hitting opponents I come across. Trying to survive while the damage slowly ticks away is painful.

Has anyone created a decent build where this works? or do people just give up and go D/D, or do they stick with staff and go for power or crit.

I might add this is for WvW. Any sort of advice from people that have found the staff to be successful would be appreciated. thanks.

Barfoi.9537:

I’m just expressing my own thoughts which, in themselves, be entirely incorrect/misinformed/skewed/etc.

i think they are

good to see BG coming back, I wonder why they didn’t play like they are right now all week. You can let up in T1, its a week long fight. (well until you know its impossible for the other teams to catch up)

Barab.9016:

If by cry you mean pointing out clear examples of SoS being insecure then you are correct. At least HoD as a collective whole acted like a champion on the forums and in game.

Wow Barab you certainly do complain a lot for a person trying to take the morale high ground.

I find it funny how you say SoS has spies then say I know because its a fact. really? so you must know who these spies are. do tell.

PvP? then sea of sorrows is the place to be. Its the unofficial Oceanic server where most Australians and New Zealanders chose to go. Now with a good influx of americans and asians the place is very solid.

jojojoon.8607:

And I believe also Tsym, Work, etc.. Almost 75% of Sos’s wvw population is made up of wvw-oriented guild transfers. My point is that these transfers provide insane coverage for Sos.

WRONG. they make up less than 50%, but what they do have is enough people to attack keeps on their own without being part of the zerg and good commanders that people will follow, donate siege and basically help play as a team.

Liquid.9672:

jojojoon.8607:

And now there are not posts of BG’s voice comms being attacked. Just a little too coincidental. Does anyone know by any chance if BG’s voice comms were DOSed before?

Yes. When we used Mumble and it happened the last time we were in T1. Maybe it’s a T1 thing.

well last time we weren’t even there so you can take us out of the equation, so those others can stop pointing the finger at us. which is prety weak imo to jump to conclusions.

CrAzY.3275:

SoS so bad they have to run kittenin 60+ people zergs while DDosing our voice comms to do a single thing. Bravo tier one! Pathetic.

DDosing voice comms? omg people seriously need to relax.

Dynheart.5402:

You know how JQ manages to stay Second mostly every week, while being out numbered by SoS? Skill.

So its skill that makes you lose to being outnumbered?

wolfie.7296:

Thobek.1730:

wolfie you really need to stop it. There is no alliance you speak of. There has never been one in the entire time this game has been out. Get a grip.

There has been. Period. I’ve witnessed some. Next please. But let me put, what you think of as an alliance (ie a signed paper document between two meeting parties) is, frankly ridiculous.

Its not an alliance but we do seem to be staying away from JQ a bit too much imo. We seem to stop them if they move out too much and are happy to try and keep them contained.

no alliance nor is it 2v1.

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

More even, I guess. SoR take the lead during NA prime time then we take it back during asian prime time. SoR portal bomb so much it’s crazy, TC folk are really friendly.

after I read this I had to check the title of the thread to make sure I was in the right place.

wolfie.7296:

I know. You did it to save the extreme embarrassment of losing. I expect due to BGs early lead blind panic caused SOS and JQ to fear for their lives and throw all caution to the wind in protecting their position, rather than cultivating a dignified tier 1, as the “unplanned alliance” continued well after SOS’ lead.

wolfie you really need to stop it. There is no alliance you speak of. There has never been one in the entire time this game has been out. Get a grip.

great fun to be had on BG BL tonight. That garrison fight was fun, JQ busted down the east wall, BG took out the west and we all fought in the lords room. epic.

I admire BG’s “never give up” attitude. You kept throwing yourselves against the garrison, making ground each time. Just never quite enough but I tip my hat off to you.

Wittle.5473:

Joker.8064:

Sad show from Tier 1 servers thus far, You hold SMC yet never take advantage of its tactical benefits against blue. Never in any of the previous tiers have I seen it more obvious. Tier 2 was more a show of Skill and tactics than Tier 1.

All we got in Tier 1 is two zerg servers banding together afraid to lose their positions.

We’ll strip it from you eventually, your double team is nothing but a very very sad and disgusting delay. No one deserves to be up this high with those kind of tactics.

You think that SoS is double teaming you with JQ? BAHAHAHAHAHAHA

If T2 shows more tactics and skill, how is it that you can dominate there and not in T1? All I see are excuses. Sad really. I thought that BG were going to “make their statements on the battlefield”.

I agree, this joker is whining about what he believes is a double team. We’ve heard it all before and every combination as well. What makes you think BG is so special we need to double team you. Who really thinks commanders get together from different servers and discuss these kinds of tactics.

I see double teaming all the time, but it is never organized and purely by chance or an opportunity.

Ardon.4105:

Those people were scouts as far as I know. And “my friend told me so” isn’t exactly great evidence. I’d wait for an official announcement before anything. Personally I’m not entirely sure why’d they pick Blackgate, not that I’d complain if they did.

I agree “I friend told me” isn’t great proof, but when that friend is in the PRX guild then it holds some weight. It doesn’t really matter one way or the other, it won’t suddenly stop SoS from playing or trying. It may even make SoS try harder.

Tobias Steele.2071:

Players repping PRX have been spotted fighting for Blackgate. Will be interesting to see the status Quo change if they were to Transfer to Blackgate from Seafarers Rest. From a Sos Perspective I sincerely hope that’s not the case.

It is the case, my flatmate plays for them. BG will be their new home. Wasn’t 100% they would pick BG until I saw a few of them playing for BG last night. So our once comrades have turned against us, let us make them feel welcome in the BL’s

It will probably even out the fight a little more, and I get a chance to kill my flatmate on the field

They will do what they always do, play for a server for a few weeks then leave.

Camaro Charr.2805:

Im from JQ and I will agree here. JQ really loathes SOS

you should probably say “I” really loathe SoS, speaking for the entire server that way isn’t the best way to go about it.

BG have been amazing so far. They have come into this match hungry for victory. I’ve never seen such a dominating force before. You guys are everywhere, using the best siege equipment, and basically causing everyone a huge headache. We have a reasonably large force on your BL at the moment but still have the outmanned debuff, just goes to show how many of you are interested in giving this a good fight. This week will be tough.

Kreen.3925:

Barab.9016:

Thobek.1730:

Kreen.3925:

Not really, seems rather insulting to your B-team to be honest. I am sure they did the best they could. Knowing a bit of geography I believe its only summer in the southern hemisphere……

lol, we don’t have a “b-team”, we had no one playing (Outmanned on every BL). Obviously you took my analogy too literally

Right the entire SoS server stop playing last week since it was only New Years for the SoS playerbase let alone the weeks SoS won during Christmas and Thanksgiving, For no one playing scoring 180.000 week total points and coming ahead of SBI sure was an accomplishment.

Barab, don’t be too hard on him, remember this chap thinks its summer everywhere right now.

For a server that has most of its player base in the Oceanic region (where its currently summer btw) we go on summer holidays. How hard is it to understand? We still had our NA guilds playing and they did amazingly well considering limited support from the Oceanic guilds. We lost important numbers over that period now they are back and the score reflects that.

you no understando?

Kreen.3925:

Not really, seems rather insulting to your B-team to be honest. I am sure they did the best they could. Knowing a bit of geography I believe its only summer in the southern hemisphere……

lol, we don’t have a “b-team”, we had no one playing (Outmanned on every BL). Obviously you took my analogy too literally

cannons.8109:

Not bad for your first video. Wild Bill abuses the culling issue the best, taking on entire groups by himself in Tier 1. You should watch his vids for some tips on how to stay stealthed 90% of the time while still hitting players.

fixed that for you.

his videos show exactly why thieves are broken at the moment. In trouble? just stealth and reposition, you have the luxury of resetting the fight whenever you feel the need. hit them a few times before you become visible again then restealth.

Stealth has never been done correctly in any MMO for pvp, GW2 is no exception. They need to increase the visible debuff to compensate for the horrible culling issue. Double it at least.

JemL.3501:

I dont know why some JQ people is happy for that win the last week…and i dont know why some people of SoS feel like some kind of pros

I don’t think we (SoS) think we’re pros. We are happy to have reached T1 and even with the loss of a main NA guild we still managed to win (albeit a much more even match)

I think what has rustled a few feathers is that we were on a winning streak and then a lot of players went off on summer holidays with families etc while on the forums they could only sit and read to how JQ are cleaning up.

Its like fielding your B-team and the other team count that as a legitimate win against your club. Its a competitive game, surely you can understand how some people approach it that way.

Sonork.2916:

I think the devs should maybe watch this video in regards to how to make abilities (such as stealth/invisibility) function in games.

http://penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/counter-play

quoting this because it makes so much sense. Stealth+massive burst. What is the counter play? how does this feel for the other player. Basically this thread at 1800 replies makes it pretty evident that thieves were not designed well.

Basically you need to be rewarded for knocking a thief out of stealth and not just let him stealth again every few seconds.

currently thieves are only threatened in massive battles where they quickly fall to AoE.

What about those times you get a thief down really low in health only to watch him stealth again then reappear half the map away? Most your abilities can’t even target the thief and he will escape easily.

I’m curious to see how they will fix this class following the counter play rules.

Zenith.7301:

Problem is, you can’t nerf bunker specs without nerfing burst specs like the thief and mesmer and warrior. These bunker specs are a response to the current state of burst in the game. If you remove the bunkers, it’ll just be an arms race of thief/mesmer/warrior teams vs. thief/mesmer/warrior teams.

Well said. I have a level 80 mesmer shatter build and even though they nerfed the might gain on shatter by a third, I can still do good burst damage. Its basically the only way I can survive an attack from a thief. burst him before he bursts me.

Some of the best fights I’ve had are ones that go the distance, where there is no chance to kill someone from full health in a few seconds.

I have no issues with warriors as you can see them approaching a mile off, same with elementalists. bare in mind that I am only talking about WvW here where I don’t have to sit in a small radius with a d/d elementalist and contest a point (as in sPvP). I can dodge their openers easily enough and kite them.

EvilSardine.9635:

Kandrick.8054:

Please don’t feed the troll.

Badly disguised post by someone who doesn’t play Ele wanting them nerfed.

Edited: To be less abrasive.

Really? Here’s proof:

http://i.imgur.com/Dw9aU.jpg

The only other class that I want nerfed is a thief. And oh….look at that. I also have a level 80 thief. I did make some past comments about mesmer’s confusion damage in WvW (where Anet confirmed it does 50% more damage than in PvP) but that’s not calling for a whole class nerf.

So, please stop trying to drag my name through the dirt. Back on topic please!

I agree with you that thieves need a nerf (mainly the stealth issue). I have a elementalist at lvl50 and run around with a staff. I’m curious as to how you would nerf the d/d build?

what would you suggest? sorry if you have already suggested it I basically skimmed this thread.

Karolis.4261:

Thobek.1730:

yeah no offense but watching a thief in WvW isn’t that interesting tbh. We all know of the insane damage that do with the crazy amount of stealth, that mixed with the culling. Its like playing pvp with training wheels on.

make a video of another one of your toons, if you have one.

Shiow me wheres that “insane damage” at. Good that u didnt call it burst lol.

I noticed after clicking on your name and reading all your past posts you’re a huge fan of defending thieves. Not that I’m surprised.

playing a roaming thief in WvW is easy mode, how anyone can deny it is beyond me. but sure keep defending them if you like.

yeah no offense but watching a thief in WvW isn’t that interesting tbh. We all know of the insane damage that do with the crazy amount of stealth, that mixed with the culling. Its like playing pvp with training wheels on.

make a video of another one of your toons, if you have one.

epic fun in the JQ bl atm, come take your garrison back.

Azure Prower.8701:

Magiofdeath.2745:

This thread to JQ:

“Yo JQ, I’m really happy for you, Imma let you celebrate your one win, but SoS is the best server of all time…the best server of all time!”

Win.

Been having some good fights. But it is clear who is leading the fight. At oceanic prime time, it is a sea of blue on the WvW maps. That usually never happens. So it’s obvious that SoS is back in force this week and dominating currently in the top tier.

Though it may be pinned that it is summer holidays and more free time for the southern hemisphere whilst the northern hemisphere is back at work/school that is contributing to the overwhelming success of SoS at the moment. Being that SoS is the unofficial oceanic server and all.

after the holidays people are either at the beach or back at work, that sea of blue normally kicks off around 5-6pm oceanic time, that’s when we take over from our NA guilds who normally by this stage have started to claim most the maps. (since its evening for them)

it all works out quite well until the JQ asian squads turn up around 2am Oceanic time and pull things back.

This week is pretty much over unless JQ ‘play like they did last week’

drwookie.6391:

I’m on JQ and I’ll say SoS always brings the pain, and I’d rather have a tough opponent than a lazy one (this week is far more fun than last week to be honest).

indeed its more fun to actually have someone to fight, last week it must of been lonely.

Right now SoS is stomping both servers because there is no one on. Maybe some small groups from SBI and JQ but nothing major. I believe SBI are content on dropping down to T2 and regrouping. JQ seem to have burnt out from playing during the holiday break. Maybe next week with BG coming up from T2 things should get interesting for a while.

i’m by no means a theory crafter or number cruncher but from what I can tell d/d s/d and staff are designed perfectly to match a playstyle.

staff does less burst but greater range and therefore less survivability spells and more push backs.

d/d high burst more survivability spells and greater mobility.

s/d is the middle ground middle range, less mobility that d/d but more sustained damage (less burst).

its really up to your play style, you want to blow people up then go d/d but learn to get out of trouble quickly. If you want to kite them with less burst go staff. its all about sacrificing one for the other.

Wiredgunslinger.5480:

We don’t complain and whine about it so much (well except for the fact that Wild Bill never seems to get banned for it).

I find this quite discouraging. The fact he openly admits it, constantly does it but Anet does nothing. He’s not even trying to hide the fact he does it, he’s quite proud of it.

Anet, you are good at censoring forum posts how about monitoring your game?

Magiofdeath.2745:

Last week, SoS players were complaining that they were losing because it was a holiday, because you know, it wasn’t a holiday for SBI or JQ apparently.

I don’t know, a lot of players in SoS are from Australia, NZ and they were all on holiday. Nothing really too hard to understand about it. We got crushed last week, outmanned on most maps.

Maybe the holidays had nothing to do with it and people were bored and never turned up. Who really knows. people are back now and the fighting has been intense and fun.

focus on this week.

Le Rooster.8715:

I just want to tell everyone that Sea of Sorrows no longer feels like a server anymore, it feels like one unified guild with many sub-guilds branching off it thanks to everyone who have made this possible with such effective communication between guilds.

gotta agree with this, the guilds/commanders and even the random players all seem to gel well.

ykyk.2740:

Thobek.1730:

Jedahs.2713:

SOS: Many NA, Average Oceanic, Little EU

SoS was/is the unofficial Oceanic server. It is manly Oceanic. We got a major influx of US guilds that helped filled the almost zero coverage we had in that time zone.

Once these NA guilds turned up SoS became more competitive due to having coverage most of the day/night. That turned us into a T1 server. We lack EU guilds but so does nearly every NA server (EU guilds play on the EU servers).

Not just Oceanic. Manly Oceanic!

yeah mainly manly

Jedahs.2713:

SOS: Many NA, Average Oceanic, Little EU

SoS was/is the unofficial Oceanic server. It is manly Oceanic. We got a major influx of US guilds that helped filled the almost zero coverage we had in that time zone.

Once these NA guilds turned up SoS became more competitive due to having coverage most of the day/night. That turned us into a T1 server. We lack EU guilds but so does nearly every NA server (EU guilds play on the EU servers).

Kellnor.5428:

Is there an SoS/SBI alliance? I know it wouldnt be 100% but i was VERY disturbed to come to several points (especially supply camps) where both SoS AND SBI where set up with siege, all though not attacking each other, simply waiting for JQ. And by set up with siege I mean SoS and SBI set up with Ballistas and Arrow Carts just a few feet from each other.

Instances of this happened multiple times on JQ, EB, and SBI, and though I didnt play on SoS today, I was told it happened there too.

There were also instances of SoS coming to defend an SBI owned tower and then leaving as soon as JQ’s force was wiped.

If you’re really T1 material, you dont need to team up to take us out

If you’re going to throw around accusations like that at least be smart enough to take a screenshot. Otherwise it sounds like complete rubbish and I play on SoS and have never seen this.

zortek.9607:

Not all were playing from where they were “from” and not everyone was “from” where they were playing.

well then that list is kind of pointless for me (interesting for some perhaps). The majority of those could be foreigners living aboard in an asian country. I wasn’t really asking about cultural diversity in a server more about coverage time. I just notice that JQ seem to have some good Oceanic late night coverage so I’m guessing most are either west coast australians or asians (or perhaps even some people that do not sleep and play all through the night)

What area of the world do JQ’s players mainly come from? are they mostly asian? US? australian?

Victor Bon Azzkik.6729:

You wanna know why JQ is gonna win and continue winning, because ANET keeps fixing the gliches that SoS and SBI <not as badly> keep exploiting.

LOL! yeah that’s the only reason JQ are winning. try again.

Chewablesleeptablet.3185:

Spam ground targetted AoE on self (Usually thieves like to sit right next to you when they are stealthed)

no good thief just sits there in AoE, they reposition themselves to attack again or gain distance to escape. Thanks to the culling bug and the limit to the camera distance they can get a few attacks off before you can even target them and disappear again.

honestly against a good thief you really have a small chance of winning, against a stupid thief you can burst them down without too much trouble. Luckily because of the how OP thieves are you will see a lot of dumb players playing them right now.

its the stupid amount of stealth abilities thieves have in combination with the culling bug that gives them a massive advantage in any fight. A good thief can pop in and out of stealth before you even have a chance to hit them. They need to increase the revealed debuff to counter the culling issue. 3 seconds is not even close to being long enough, also AoE should knock them out of stealth if you are lucky enough to guess where they are. (most AoE abilities are on a long cooldown so its a fair trade)

CHIPS.6018:

Very depressing week for SBI. With WM gone we have even less people. It seems the only time SBI aren’t outmanned is 7pm-11pm pst. Many other people are talking about leaving.

Sad times.

not so good on SoS either, being mainly an oceanic server summer holidays has caused everyone to go to the beach. It no fun being outmanned everywhere except EB. We need our good commanders to come back, its too much of a mess atm.

JQ are stomping everyone atm. Even if SBI and SoS teamed up against them I don’t think it would make any difference atm.

2000 people total (500 per map) = 165 per server/EB’s

I heard that in your own BL you get more players allowed in since normally both invading servers will be attacking you. (200,150,150 – something like that.)

kanikani.2430:

Cliff notes:
-So no new maps in the near future
-1 week cycles for matches will continue
-Culling is being worked on
-We have talked about population issues but don’t design for it
-Paid transfers at some point in the future, but transfers are not that big of an issue
-Progression/rewards in Feb patch
-Live scoring no time soon (via website)
-Nothing major till feb patch.
-No UI changes (raid tools etc.)
-No changes to commander system

Did I miss anything?

thanks for doing this, you basically saved me the time listening to bad news. No UI changes (raid tools, etc) and no changes to the commander system is a shame. At least allow commander text to be coloured differently to it stands out from the usual spam. How simple would that change be.

progression is good, but its in feb.

I know its holiday season for people in the southern hemisphere but its really quiet in WvW at the moment. We don’t have the numbers to attack any BL’s except defend our own. that hurts.

Jedbacca.6297:

Thobek.1730:

CHIPS.6018:

Story #2.

So like always SBI got 2v1ed. We were down to Veloka and our keep. While we were fighting JQ zerg in Veloka, the SoS zerg skip our keep and came attack us from behind. After killing most of us, SoS pulled back and let JQ finish the job.

Well played. Very well played. As if we being outmanned wasn’t enough.

I wasn’t there but its something I would do. Hit the team that is coming 2nd place. Especially since you’ve had that thief of yours constantly jumping the keep walls and flipping them. Seeing a SBI name tag just reminds me of him.

Props to StrikeForce (SF) because I believe they will not defend a tower he has flipped. I tip my hat to your sportsmanship.

Thank you sir, we do not promote any of that game play so much that we have actually relocated our whole team to different maps because of this. I want nothing near an SF tag that may give someone the thought that we play like that. We prefer proper kittening people, not backdooring with shady tactics.

good to hear, hopefully you shouldn’t have to resort to such measures for much longer. The guy has dug himself into a deep hole. If he isn’t banned I will be surprised and disappointed.

other than that its been a good battle this week. People are feeling the drain of summer holidays (SoS being a oceanic server) you will not see many of us on next week. I predict we will be beaten extremely badly with most of us heading off on holiday to beaches etc.

Anet stop this Outmanned rubbish, give us ranks and rewards. The gear is fine but something more unique. maybe even military town clothes with medals. more options on weapons not just the one, pets, anything to stop the declining numbers.

I play on SoS and even though the other two servers complain about our coverage we have the outmanned buff a lot, and we are supposed to have the best coverage out of all the servers.

feb might be too late.

Rayya.2591:

I am sorry to say it but it sound like sabotage
“This is best game, but we will only play if you nerf thief "
First of all WvWvW is balanced for large scale battles , where thieves are an joke
Check some videos on youtube from zerg vs zerg … an warrior make 30 – 40 kills in 1 minute and you complain about thief and how Op it is –
Forget about 1 vs 1 in WvWvW , there are 300 – 500 players on every map
Regarding 2 vs 6, i refuse to belive that 6 players can lose vs 2 thieves. And if you lost 6 vs 2 the issue is with you , not with thief class.

The amount of wrong in this post is alarming. It makes me think you don’t even play the game. WvW is not just a zerg, if your server only plays that way enjoy never getting to the top. Playing on a T1 server I can tell you people run in smaller groups all the time, single players stop yaks, single players contest points, and zergs assault the towers/keeps/garrisons. Its never ever always just zerg on zerg.

CHIPS.6018:

Story #2.

So like always SBI got 2v1ed. We were down to Veloka and our keep. While we were fighting JQ zerg in Veloka, the SoS zerg skip our keep and came attack us from behind. After killing most of us, SoS pulled back and let JQ finish the job.

Well played. Very well played. As if we being outmanned wasn’t enough.

I wasn’t there but its something I would do. Hit the team that is coming 2nd place. Especially since you’ve had that thief of yours constantly jumping the keep walls and flipping them. Seeing a SBI name tag just reminds me of him.

Props to StrikeForce (SF) because I believe they will not defend a tower he has flipped. I tip my hat to your sportsmanship.