Guild Wars 2

I’m only burnt out because there is one server in our tier that completely dominates due to superior numbers. Getting crushed by huge zerg forces isn’t fun.

Once we drop down a tier I think I’ll get back into it.

have JQ won yet?

Kreen.3925:

Yesterday the mighty Merc and Magikarp the Magnificent posted a screenshot of their exploits with a 595 ppt tick…. The most amusing thing is that someone said 525 and he came back and say, no way, 595. Now if they can’t be bothered to wait around and get everything upgraded and deploy siege then who’s fault is that? Pot kettle black? You familar with that?

Every server has periods of strong and light cover. Its what they choose to do in those periods that makes the difference.

Even though Kreen said he is leaving the forums and never coming back (yeah right) I find this post amusing. Why bother spending coin to upgrade when the JQ zerg machine will wake up and stomp everyone. Doesn’t matter how upgraded keeps are if there is no one to man the siege weapons, why bother? Oh look at all the pretty siege weapons, luckily we upgraded the keeps that will deter them for a few more seconds. well worth spending the coin.

Reize.2176:

Im from SoS and i hope SoR bloody well gets more points by the end of this season so our server can drop a tier ASAP.

I’d rather let Blackgate deal with JQ thank you very much.

I second this. GO SoR!! you can do eet!

Then we can avoid the JQueue zerg machine bangwagoning fist pumping heroes and play a nice even match which will actually get people excited about WvW again.

its a close battle but who will win it in the end?

the excitement is overwhelming.

move along, nothing to see here – working as intended.

thieves are supposed to solo cap keeps, towers.

Convenant.7092:

1) Giving more stats to players is never the solution; I shouldn’t lose a 1v1 because he’s outmanned and I’m not.

Are they introducing new stats to the outmanned buff? because at the moment, more xp, more magic find and more karma isn’t an advantage at all.

SmokeyNYY.7841:

Thobek.1730:

SmokeyNYY.7841:

Thobek.1730:

SmokeyNYY.7841:

We basically showed that was the case last night in EB when choo farmed you guys in the lord room for like an hour and we all got about 400-500 kills and basically almost lost everything else.

The difference between servers is SoR goes where the fight is while JQ and SoS go where the fight isn’t to maximize their PPT.

Your post contradicts itself. You say JQ/SoS go where the fight isn’t yet you defended SM for like an hour. IF we didn’t go where the fight is then how did you get all those kills?

sounds like you’re making up a bad story.

We moved to EB after farming PUGS in JQ BL for a few hours because we got extremely bored and wanted a fight. So you guys were actually already in EB where all we had was a bunch of PUGS from SoR and no guilds. We took SM within 20 minutes and wiped JQ and SoS zergs non stop for about an hour until JQ decided to tap on our keep with about 40. You didn’t go to where the fight was because we had to come to you if I didn’t make that obvious enough in my post lol.

actually you didn’t make that obvious enough, you never mentioned farming pugs or the JQ BL or moving to EB, or how it was already full of PUGS, or that there were no SoR guilds. So what are you talking about? I’m not even sure you know.

And this is about three servers, SoS attacked SM non stop and you ran off to defend your keep from JQ. IF all you care about is fights why run off. You keep contradicting yourself. Can’t wait to see what you come with next. lol.

Well why would I have to mention that if my previous post obviously implied that in the first place? Not my fault you have terrible reading comprehension, and like I said earlier we ran off to save our keep because our commander didn’t want to give up our waypoint. Most if not almost all of us wanted to just stay and fight SoS.

you didn’t imply it, nor did you even never mention the fact you switched servers. You just rambled on about PPT, and JQ/SoS not going where the fight is, then saying you defended the keep for over an hour. You’re contradicting yourself, then making things up, then contradicting yourself again… you’re just all over the place. The choo train has derailed.

SmokeyNYY.7841:

Thobek.1730:

SmokeyNYY.7841:

We basically showed that was the case last night in EB when choo farmed you guys in the lord room for like an hour and we all got about 400-500 kills and basically almost lost everything else.

The difference between servers is SoR goes where the fight is while JQ and SoS go where the fight isn’t to maximize their PPT.

Your post contradicts itself. You say JQ/SoS go where the fight isn’t yet you defended SM for like an hour. IF we didn’t go where the fight is then how did you get all those kills?

sounds like you’re making up a bad story.

We moved to EB after farming PUGS in JQ BL for a few hours because we got extremely bored and wanted a fight. So you guys were actually already in EB where all we had was a bunch of PUGS from SoR and no guilds. We took SM within 20 minutes and wiped JQ and SoS zergs non stop for about an hour until JQ decided to tap on our keep with about 40. You didn’t go to where the fight was because we had to come to you if I didn’t make that obvious enough in my post lol.

actually you didn’t make that obvious enough, you never mentioned farming pugs or the JQ BL or moving to EB, or how it was already full of PUGS, or that there were no SoR guilds. So what are you talking about? I’m not even sure you know.

And this is about three servers, SoS attacked SM non stop and you ran off to defend your keep from JQ. IF all you care about is fights why run off. You keep contradicting yourself. Can’t wait to see what you come with next. lol.

SmokeyNYY.7841:

We basically showed that was the case last night in EB when choo farmed you guys in the lord room for like an hour and we all got about 400-500 kills and basically almost lost everything else.

The difference between servers is SoR goes where the fight is while JQ and SoS go where the fight isn’t to maximize their PPT.

Your post contradicts itself. You say JQ/SoS go where the fight isn’t yet you defended SM for like an hour. IF we didn’t go where the fight is then how did you get all those kills?

sounds like you’re making up a bad story.

Peetee.9406:

I miss Blackgate.

In an ideal world we would have a SoR/SoS/BG matchup.

I agree this would be a good matchup. With some SoS guilds leaving I think the numbers would be very even now. BG got some new guilds.

At least we would get a close exciting match and people will get back into WvW again.

As it stands right now JQ with all their bandwagoning have kind of put a sour feel about WvW, its a no contest match with the amount of coverage they have. They went overboard on the recruit drive. Right now its like playing a sports match and they have double the amount of players on the field then pat themselves on the back for winning.

ZilentNight.5089:

With the above said, thieves are very squishly, if you ever play one, you will understand what i mean. If you take their ability to stealth away then they will be useless in WvW since they rely mostly on close combat.

AoE is your best bet when fighting a thief, also most thieves deliver their max dmg in their opening strikes, if you dodge the first couple then you have outlived it.

So over hearing AoE is the solution, Randomly throwing out long cooldown AoE’s to somehow target an area where an invisible opponent might be. Such a BS solution. Or swing around wildly hoping that you might hit them.

And have you even seen the latest thief builds that heal while they are stealthed. Watch their youtube clips and see how tough they are. New builds are out, they are not that squishy anymore.

xiv.7136:

It makes recovering from mistakes too easy, and makes bad players think they’re good.

^ totally this. Bad players love the stealth mechanic, running around during a fight being invisible, untargetable.

oldephartte.4369:

Kudos to JQ.

Here’s another superlative you can add to your resume.

The ‘blandest’ server we have ever faced.

I only find them bland because of how they outnumbered both servers by so much now. “Oh here comes the massive JQ zerg ball to overpower us” Watching them set up 2 catapults, a treb and a bunch of arrow carts. I mean really? Took them forever to break in and arrow carts to defend their siege against the 6-7 outmanned defenders we had in the keep against 30+ of them. We can’t defend against those numbers anyway, at least make it interesting. Just hit the door.

Beastmaster.5071:

EMP having a blast at SOS spawn

they are basically giving you free loot right? you’re invulnerable in that zone.

Still its a classic example of a stacked server being so bored they are forced to attack spawns to keep things interesting.

VOTF, RG, HB (in that order)… they were all in NA T1 and all on different servers.

I watched VOTF destroy everyone they went up against, it didn’t matter if they were outnumbered either. Their commanders were amazing and would sometimes split up to take control of multiple maps.

soma.3812:

Darkrider.7461:

Azure Prower.8701:

Now that JQ is the number 1 super server. We’ll see how long it lasts before they get bored.

I don’t think Jade will ever get bored. We just now have time to do some of the pve content we have been skipping for 2 months because we have some coverage.

Nitejack the portal beetoch of EMP

JQQ’ers blamed their 10 weeks of losses to SoS because of PvE content remember.
Wasnt it SoS who sacrificed all the loot to play WvW?

nah, the last time SoS took all 4 maps then turned up at the one off event 10 minutes before it ended to claim the loot.

I doubt JQQ ever complained, after HoD then SoS they deserve their time at the top.

does anyone other than SoR players post here?

Doomdesire.9365:

PRX and SF seem to be running a super zerg in SoR BL now. Come join in on the action! I noticed SoS seems to have almost no prescense in there. Let’s get some 3 way battles going!

surely PRx and SF should be enough competition for you without SoS being there.

I would love to know if there is any stats as to how many people are in WvW during the week. It would at least stop people from saying we don’t have the coverage when the proof would be in black and white.

Disappointed that SoS remain in tier 1 for next week as well. We need to drop down a tier and enjoy playing against servers our size. Its fairly obvious that we no longer have the numbers to compete due to people leaving, lack of interest or whatever other reason.

So for me it will be another week of no WvW until we do. I will not play against such a stacked server. Its silly getting zerg stomped all the time.

Hoots.9564:

T1 forums are where its at, this thread reminds me of the SoR/BG threads of t2…lol so much anger in those forums too.

Well SoR here now, I see a trend forming.

rahuri.7048:

Just hit +615! Nice work! Is this some kind of record?

really? do you actually fight anyone during this time? How boring must it be to rush from door to door with little to no resistance and cap all 4 maps. What do you do after that? sit around spawns waiting for one or two players to pop their heads out? or stare at the map admiring all the green dots?

GL to SoR in the upcoming weeks, unless you recruit a few more guilds to cover your obvious lack in certain timezones you will never win T1. SoS will slip a few tiers to go up against other servers that are hopefully more evenly matched.

T1 is a joke right now, and a +615 PPT proves it.

elkirin.8534:

Please do not trash talk any people for moving servers, GMs choose to move so that guild members continue to enjoy them selves, no crime in that.

If they move to JQ or SoR (two servers with already big numbers) then its a weak move. But I hear its BG and those guys were a pretty good bunch to fight.

Art.9820:

Waaay to ironic to see someone from SoS complaining about coverage after they won 9 weeks because of that o.O, now that we were able to even it… it’s suddenly unfair!

“able to EVEN it” – so do you really think we all have even coverage now? You would be the only one to even suggest that.

Anyone else believe that the numbers are even now?

As a player from SoS I would like to see us drop down a tier, I see no point in playing against such a stacked server. Not when they can field twice as many players as we can. Its not exactly fun seeing a JQ zerg ball of 40+ hitting Briar door when we have just a few defenders.

But then to come in the forums, pound their chests and call it skill is taking it a bit far. “We are the best at open field combat!!” – not that modest are you?

Has JQ won yet?

bhagwad.4281:

Ok – to start off, this is not a flame attempt. After seeing this , I want to do it too.

You’re not flaming, so many people are playing thieves right now having yet another one in WvW won’t make too much of a difference.

It’ll be thieves vs thieves soon enough.

Rawnoodles.1398:

New wvw content = more players = increasing WvW productivity.

Quit wining and do something about it, like we did.

like pay guilds to come over just before the free transfer lock? bit too late for that.

you do mean whining? and not drinking alcohol right?

Kagato.4061:

I’ll give you guys all a helpful tip:

If you have a crap ton of confusion stacked on you, don’t attack.

^ this. It gives you plenty of indication that you have confusion on you and if you have tunnel vision and keep attacking then I can understand why you’re all getting upset.

try not attacking for a few seconds.

Come on JQ, you have won the coverage battle and now you’re hiding under the map.

DeWolfe.2174:

Umm… just to give you some perspective, I went right into our JQ BL 3 hours ago. No Queue time at all. I queued for EB at the same time and it popped in a mere minute or two. Which correlates to the time when all the complaining about our number’s was occurring above.

Its about having big numbers on all maps, compared to having an outmanned buff. Its not just all about JQ its about the numbers they are going up against as well.

congratulations on JQ’s win this week.

who will come second is the interesting part of this matchup.

runeblade.7514:

I never played a thief. Before this patch, I was scared of thieves and their daggerstorm due to their OPness. Cripple, Strong damage, reflect.

Lately, I notice I don’t fear them anymore. I just go up to them and smack them with my axe till they die.

it reflects ranged not melee.

Sypsy.7318:

Thobek.1730:

Doomdesire.9365:

SoR only 3K away from SoS! We’re making a giant push!

sigh. SoR are becoming the new JQ… happy with just being in T1 and not winning.

The difference is that people joined JQ when it was 2nd place, expecting an uphill battle. At least I know I did.

While there may be people (your “fairweather players” types) who joined SOS expecting 1st place. So now that they’re not 1st, they’re… upset.

At this point, since it’s so even, no one really should be “sighing,” it’s a great matchup! Not winning =/= not having fun.

good reply, I thought I may of rustle a few feathers like the guy a few (5) posts above me..

I like your attitude.

I was SoS since beta, never jumped ship or swtiched to a winning server. I have enjoyed our fight to the top, got used to good battles. We had a coverage advantage but not by THAT much (there were some close battles over the last couple of months). The last couple of weeks its become silly. The amount of people JQ can field far surpasses anything any other server can deliver, too much bandwagoning imo.

Doomdesire.9365:

SoR only 3K away from SoS! We’re making a giant push!

sigh. SoR are becoming the new JQ… happy with just being in T1 and not winning.

/edit – before you jump down my throat someone said it on the SoS BL’s earlier today about SoS and SoR which I agree “we are both fighting against each other to be the best loser”

think about it.

Adaneshade.2409:

Beyondthelol.9504:

I swear that every person who defends the thiefs blatant overpoweredness does so because they themselves play a thief.

How about we have a new rule – if you play a thief you are not allowed to comment on if they are OP or not

Conversely, no one that QQs about them has ever actually played one seriously enough to really learn what the strengths and weaknesses are. Instead you get the mobile, bursty, tanky, regenerating, permastealth build posts where people insist on picking mutally exclusive traits and lumping into one “OP THIEF” thread.

how about we start a new thread.. “your impressions on fighting a thief.” therefore no thieves allowed.

BenL.5312:

Well, as much as everybody says it’s WvWvW, there was never any express nor implicit rule that you cannot 2W v W.

Alliances can be made and broken all the time on the battlefield. Today’s enemies are tomorrow’s friends.

So what if 2 servers decide to team up and oust the 1st? I don’t see anything wrong with that.

there isn’t, it actually brings in a whole new dimension to the game. It’s also seemed to stir up a few people, concerned this could actually happened, and also some people that refuse to consider alliances.

Even the mere mention of it has created some interesting reactions.

zhonnika.1784:

Thobek.1730:

VOLKON.1290:

Thobek.1730:

Orikx.9671:

Thobek.1730:

perhaps we should spread the word and see if we can get this happening?

NEXT WEEK SoS+SoR vs JQ.

Might be quite interesting dynamic working with another server.

I highly doubt you will be able to get this going. SoR is well known for not wanting to team with other servers. In T2 losing week after week to BG players from IoJ purposed a 2v1 several times and got flamed by us for it.

We like our 3 way fights to much.

SoR doesn’t work well with others? that’s ok it was just a thought to change things up for a week. I’ll talk to you in about a months time and see how you feel then.

I wonder if Thobek would like it if SoR teamed with JQ to guarantee they stay at 1 and 2 in T1?

Probably not. But if you’re going to push SoR to team up, be careful what you wish for. <insert evil laugh here>

you sound worried that this could actually happen.

C’mon, SoS, you don’t need SoR to help you to win, do you? Or… do you? Oh. Awkward

obvious troll sounds even more worried.

VOLKON.1290:

Thobek.1730:

Orikx.9671:

Thobek.1730:

perhaps we should spread the word and see if we can get this happening?

NEXT WEEK SoS+SoR vs JQ.

Might be quite interesting dynamic working with another server.

I highly doubt you will be able to get this going. SoR is well known for not wanting to team with other servers. In T2 losing week after week to BG players from IoJ purposed a 2v1 several times and got flamed by us for it.

We like our 3 way fights to much.

SoR doesn’t work well with others? that’s ok it was just a thought to change things up for a week. I’ll talk to you in about a months time and see how you feel then.

I wonder if Thobek would like it if SoR teamed with JQ to guarantee they stay at 1 and 2 in T1?

Probably not. But if you’re going to push SoR to team up, be careful what you wish for. <insert evil laugh here>

you sound worried that this could actually happen.

Orikx.9671:

Thobek.1730:

perhaps we should spread the word and see if we can get this happening?

NEXT WEEK SoS+SoR vs JQ.

Might be quite interesting dynamic working with another server.

I highly doubt you will be able to get this going. SoR is well known for not wanting to team with other servers. In T2 losing week after week to BG players from IoJ purposed a 2v1 several times and got flamed by us for it.

We like our 3 way fights to much.

SoR doesn’t work well with others? that’s ok it was just a thought to change things up for a week. I’ll talk to you in about a months time and see how you feel then.

Thor.1756:

Thobek.1730:

The other way of dealing with JQ is if SoR and SoS doubled team JQ all week. That could be interesting.

Yes. Please do this. This is exactly why we have 3 server matches instead of 1v1s. Bring us down, we want to fight!

perhaps we should spread the word and see if we can get this happening?

NEXT WEEK SoS+SoR vs JQ.

Might be quite interesting dynamic working with another server.

Hepan.2709:

Sure rework our stealth and give us means to block/mist form/invoul/insert other form of completely negating damage. Im all for it. Might be something like Walk in Shadows: Walk in shadows and evade all incoming attacks for 3-5 secs.
Cause atm we have nothing BUT stealth to trick our enemies to swing at empty air and smart dodging to avoid the big hits.

I’ll like this also, make stealth like block/mist form..etc. long cooldown and only for 3seconds. perfect.

pot.6805:

Has SoR completely given up? I’ve seen multiple screenshots of them at 0 ppt.

They have probably finally realised what SoS have been dealing with the last couple of weeks. You can’t beat a server when they have 10x the players on the field during most the day. If it wasn’t for our strong oceanic presence that gap between 1st and 2nd would look silly.

I think JQ overestimated how many guilds they needed to bring in to keep the games interesting, now they are fat and bloated. The end result will drive pugs away in the other servers because they will be outnumbered and find getting stomped by the JQ zergs frustrating. Only EB will retain numbers.

As of now I would rather have a BG, SoR, SoS battle. A good match that would be close.

The other way of dealing with JQ is if SoR and SoS doubled team JQ all week. That could be interesting.

wdspeck.8723:

Beeeeeeeeeecause it’s fun?

So much THIS!! its fun. I don’t need the badges, the bags of loot and rewards for completing events pays for a few repairs bills. But I still play WvW 90% of the time. Having duels, being part of large sieges – its all great fun.

That’s why we play games in the first place, if its not fun then its work and you’re doing it wrong.

I used to see this type of thread all the time when I played WoW, people want rewards all the time. gimme, gimme, gimme. Not saying that having a few rewards isn’t bad, and having a long term goal is also good. BUT its when you start demanding rewards to make it fun is when you are missing the point altogether.

Oresh.4729:

stop blaming everything on coverage just try to make your people get out of the jp when you do a major push like this…

SoS is made up of a few very solid guilds and the majority is puggers. In EB you will get a constant stream of Pver’s coming in and saying “Is there a mesmer in the JP?” – that one line annoys me to no end. So even though we would like them to participate in the battles they don’t. Luckily we don’t have queues for most the day so its not like they are using up a spot in EB. JQ will get them soon enough when PvE players hop over to their server to do the same. Since we (SoS) have been top dog for the last few months we have gained our fair share of these pests.

When Anet announced that they plan to entice more players into WvW please don’t let them come in and just head to a spot when they are rewarded. Please make them compete in the fight before giving them handouts like the EB JP.

Iohanna.4863:

A bit off-topic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ecl8d0TQGQ

Anyone see themselves participate in the video, or recognize any participants? If so, may I have an opinion on what it’s like fighting this build?

my personal favourite part is when the mesmer used decoy and you just pressed heartseeker and it automatically jumped to the actual mesmer when he popped out of stealth. no guessing required – just press 2.

also I guess you were fighting bads, since over in the thief forum they say you simple need to use CC/AoE a thief is dead. You need to fight some people with skill.

that damage is extremely low for a survival build.

/extreme sarcasm off

I was kind of hoping to see myself in that video, no doubt I would of died like all those JQ guys but it might of help me understand what I’m doing wrong against thieves. Tbh I’m not sure what anyone can do against that build. How many times have you lost a 1v1? or even a 1v2?

Penguin.5197:

I remember before this game came out watching a video of developers talking about stealth saying that they wanted it to be used sparringly not all the time during fights. I wish I could find and link it here because in this case, they completely missed the mark for stealth.

After you mentioned that I went on a mission to track it down. found it for you. Right from the developers mouth.

watch it from 2:50 onwards.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWm8dTrEyWM

“unlike other games stealth is not unlimited” – perma stealth theives would disagree.

“its not unlimited it should be used with careful forethought” – yeah every 4-6 seconds. ohh big deal.

Penguin.5197:

I remember before this game came out watching a video of developers talking about stealth saying that they wanted it to be used sparringly not all the time during fights. I wish I could find and link it here because in this case, they completely missed the mark for stealth.

Sparingly? lol. yeah they dropped the ball on that one.

As I expected the JQ beast has awoken. But unlike last week where SoS was completely vacant from the maps this weeks the fights have been intense. Lots of fun. For the first time I don’t completely mind that JQ will most likely win it this week.

Jedbacca.6297:

I have a guildie that was yelling at me for not stepping in on his 1on1.

I love watching the duels, I’ll hold back a full team to let the 2 duke it out, or if I see two havoc squads going at it, I’ll stand back and just watch the gameplay. I love watching the positioning and seeing if the team is actually coordinated or just skilled as individuals.

I find this people having duels in WvW interesting, I also jumped into a 1v1 fight only to have them both stop attacking. I thought “hold up what have I interrupted here” I stopped, they both backed up healed and I got a whisper to not attack the enemy. So I sat above them on the hill and watched. The guy on our team won, not sure what I would of done if he lost. Maybe let the other guy leave.

bottom line, perhaps Anet should have a arena style dueling system with spectator mode. I’m sure I would watch a few battles inbetween WvW and PvE.

Slamz.5376:

Woaden.9425:

Thieves are easy to counter, here goes:

Against all:
Root/stun
AOE

Thief is in stealth almost all the time. You can’t target them for root/stun.

Really it’s not that “thieves are unbalanced” it’s that “stealth is unbalanced”, particularly with the way thieves can constantly reapply it.

Give stealth an 8 second cooldown between uses and I think almost all complaints would cease.

TOTALLY AGREE. 8 seconds would probably be enough. No more of this instant re-stealth crap. It makes me wonder if Anet devs watch any of these so-called “pro” videos of thieves stealthing all the time during a fight and how easy it has become for them to decimate groups of players by themselves.

too long now they have this “get out of jail free card” by stealthing all the time. Where is the danger when they can simply disappear. its like they just log off the map. By the time they reappear they are almost out of draw distance range.