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No to any offensive traits that trigger below 50% player health. Fit it into the skirmishing theme:
MDG: You and your pet gain 1 stack of might for every successful attack you make on a target while flanking. No ICD. Duration 8 seconds.
Might need tweaks.
Rapid Fire is 10 hits, warhorn 16, Barrage 12.
Access to 25 might if barrage hits 2 targets sounds a bit too powerful.
But the idea sounds much better than the current functionality.
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@Lazze
The thing is that I have been playing Ranger ever since I started playing Guild Wars… And that’s nice few years already and I haven’t found a way to keep my pet healthy.
If I as a Ranger keep playing below 50% HP for 8 seconds – I am basically a horrible player. That’s just how it is. Furthermore, in PvE we always run with 25 might stacks, which means this trait would probably be used for PvP (where pet is constantly dead or below 50%, regardless of how much you try) or open world (where pet deals 30% of our damage, so boosting it by 16% via 8 might does not compete with it by a long shot).
Which means that it would only provide a temporary reduction for your loss. If you lose your pet – you’ll lose 30% of your damage.
Trying to fall below 50% HP yourself is a disgrace for the game itself. That’s much worse than keeping your pet dead in case you know he’s going to die again even if you ress him up.
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Currently the trait is plain garbage and only keeps company the other garbage traits such … Honed Axes …
I kinda like the aoe on Winter’s Bite. I think that should be made baseline though.
We are comparing Quickness or AoE taunt fighting over an AoE chill that lasts for 3 seconds. Just come on. No one uses axe with Zerk stats anyways so that stat is useless as it is.
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If the trait provided the benefits according to your pet’s HP (dead pet included), well yes. I would consider it. DPS increase when my pet get’s low would be triggered often, wouldn’t endanger Ranger himself and would provide an option to compete with Quick Draw.
I would honestly never run it. Counterproductive to the profession mechanic.
You mean even more than it currently is?
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Maybe healing power will be more important to the druid
God, please, no…
That would imply that druid will become a healer and as we know – that role is completely out of the game design.
The thing is that even if Healing Power is druid’s desired stat – this trait only gives less than 100 power from that.
So in reality – what this trait does is:
~it provides nothing for hybrid or DPS builds
~if your goal is to heal people, it gives you Direct damage that is vastly inferior to condition damage source (uh, I mean… hello?)
Even people who intend to deal damage while focusing on healing power will go for conditions and will ignore Power one way or another.
This trait is just designed as bad as it could have been.
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Still, the concept is horrible.
Your 1st thought when below 50% is to get away or get back up above 50%. And yes, both Enlargement and Instinctive Reaction (?) helps you with that.
MDG is just a wrong step from ANet.
If the trait provided the benefits according to your pet’s HP (dead pet included), well yes. I would consider it. DPS increase when my pet get’s low would be triggered often, wouldn’t endanger Ranger himself and would provide an option to compete with Quick Draw.
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Running Cleric armor gives you 85 (+-) bonus power from this trait. Let’s assume you sacrificed 45% of your stats for healing power, reducing your DPS by roughly the same amount (too lazy to do the maths that everyone would ignore anyways) just to get useless 85 bonus power that can’t even be noticed since your DPS is horrible whatsoever. This trait has absolutely no meaning or purpose.
Verdict: Horrible Trait
If it provided a meaningful amount of Power so it would open possibilities for hybrid survival builds, that would be okay (even the long mentioned reverted conversion from Power > Healing). Currently the trait is plain garbage and only keeps company the other garbage traits such as Predator’s Instinct, Most Dangerous Game, Honed Axes and so on.
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ranger would become interesting if HoT brings a pet revamp, i.e. better f2’s on many pets, another active pet skill, and 90% aoe damage reduction in WvW/PVE
Pet is currently our true and only anchor in this game. We have the DPS to compete in PvE (but it doesn’t scale unless you go for NM – which is a shame for BM enthusiasts) and we might have been excellent skirmishers if our pets didn’t miss 80% of the attacks due to movement.
I mean, there already is like a hundred of (ignored) solutions.
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I just shows how rushed ranger was in the initial development of the game, and it seems that Anet has learned nothing in the last 2 years that is going to show any improvements.
I dare to disagree. They improved a huge load in design, synergy and effectiveness.
They have been learning from Ranger the whole 2 years.
… And then decided to give it to the others.
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@Bryzy
I’m not sure if you are the fan but reading Guild Wars books is what helped me get over the druid wait-fest.
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The fun part comes in when people realize Ranger’s DPS is higher than the one of Warrior. And has been for a long time.
Yea, yea… Everybody knows that warrior with Phalanx Strength brings better team support. But that just implies that they are our and Thieves’ support tool.
Now that’s one lovely idea for our fellow Rangers who know what and how to play.
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This build has way too many flaws.
If you want to play an interrupt Ranger, play this:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQNAnXTjEqQHL2yCmrAVLGMEqP3v9avf3ToF4AY0bgCWFB-TJxHABC8EAMuMAAnCA02fAA
Believe me. People will hate you and you might actually be able to keep interrupting people into oblivion.
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It’s not useless but if you have to chose between this and quickdraw…
Did anyone else notice the stealth nerf of vigorous training and primal reflex?
So another one to the stealth-nerf list. Awesome. They really know how to make people play their game.
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Developers are proud of pets and them being a class mechanic.
As I am. In a way, ranger’s is the only true mechanic in the entire game. I mean, something with a true layer of complexity. Others range from glorified signets (Guardian) , skill modifiers (ele, necro+hp bar, rev) to straight up “more buttons” (warrior, thief, mesmer, engineer).
In ranger there’s a whole lot of managing and as soon as I started seeing my pet as an asset rather than liability, I noticed my “pet handling” awareness improve.
I love my pets. But I’m not proud of them. They are just like a younger sibling.
You wouldn’t bring him to any party you are going to attend.
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And what about spirits?^ Can’ t believe that someone could even think that they were viable like they are right now
They aren’t far from being viable. I, for example found a nice use for them. As bombs.
Since they provide their benefits for 13 seconds after death, it’s not such a bad thing to simple keep sacrificing them.
But that means the design is horrible almost just as much as my manners. They simply don’t exist for the passives anymore (except Frost for PvE) and their actives take 1-5 seconds to complete.
If the spirits had their actives as baseline and they would provide stationary aura of the spirits now (means using the active would spawn the spirit outright) – we’d experience a nice era of viable useful and user-friendly spirits.
Now? They are just user-unfriendly and clunky as hell.
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There isn’t. Developers think it’s a powerful trait. Probably because it scales with Fortifying Bond (boons shared with your pet which, frankly, none of us have idea why don’t they baseline baseline)
The trait is garbage. Don’t use it. The design is just plain horrible.
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@Fluff
The soft CC you mentioned might very likely be the case.
You remember them saying that all the “on swap traits” is their effort to make pets wanted since the pet itself is garbage?
Of course they used different wording but that’s pretty much what they said.
If there’s one thing I miss from traits since the changes is the trait that gave you fury and might when your pet HP dropped below 50% (was back in Marksmanship).
… I mean … I wouldn’t argue if The Most Dangerous Game kept it’s current mechanic but triggered based on pet’s health (dead pet included).
I mean… Yea, I would consider this trait in WvW and some other environments that way.
Heck, it would be amazing for open world, too. Pet goes low way too often without any way to prevent it from dying. And it would beat Quick Draw in terms of DPS.
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The OP’s got the point, though.
While the trait is fully functional and such – it’s still hard to make use of. I sometimes have my times when I curse the functionality because the NPC in the very back is being body-blocked (as a model) and I can’t target it – resulting in random direction of the arrow (usually to the skies above the rest of the targets behind).
It would definitely become a QoL change. Is it a buff? Well yea. Imagining how many reflects, projectile denial and what not abilities came with the elite specs (compare Strider’s Defence to Thief’s auto-attack with staff untraited) – I wouldn’t really find it that strange.
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They will.
Developers are proud of pets and them being a class mechanic.
Also – every single weapon and every single traitline has a mechanic paired into pet swapping or simply owning a pet.
And we have a 99% proof. The HoT promo video leaks a Druid using an Ice Wolf. So the druid was using a pet.
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I went through most of it.
And plenty of the ideas are nice and theme fitting. I don’t believe ANet will make the effort to redo Ranger like this but if they get inspired by these changes and fix/improve at least some of our broken nature that would be great.
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There’s +1 bug with healing spring.
- Healing Spring:
The trap is placed at a location where the cast time began, not where it ended.
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@Zoef
You didn’t understand my 1st reply and kept going too deep ever since.
Plus you (again) took another whole reply as an attack (which if you read again doesn’t imply so) and only points out how your replies are way out of the question or topic.
Yes, from what I can see, everything you read your ego processes as a potential attack against your person. Thus you (still) try to quarrel over the matter.
Get Over It.
I’ll phrase is specially for you.
“The Person You Wanted To Cheer Up By Your Motivational Sentence Is Most Likely Not Even Here. You Should Search For Him In-Game.”
Further explanation
~your reply was the one of egoistic self-centered. Not a word about you (since I can’t afford to tell anything about you, I don’t know you yet)
~yes, you are constantly trying to find a reason to quarrel
~where did you read a word you are an idiot? You are constantly making up sentences and their meanings.
Please calm down, read through it again, try to find the true meanings of what I wrote since I believe you misunderstood or misread like all of them and let us get back to what did you originally wanted to discuss.
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Never try to counter sarcasm by supposedly taking it literally. It doesnt work. “Observe, learn and counter in an intelligent way”. Just saying.
You didn’t even understand what was my 1st reply trying to say. There’s nothing to learn here. I was just trying to show you that your reply was the one of an egoistic self-centered person.
If I really wanted to counter something I’d try to make you look like an idiot (something similar to what you tried to). But why would an intelligent person do that, I cannot tell.
Why people are always looking for a quarrel theses days… Just why.
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Don’t you think that majority of Forum Rangers are the ones who can use logic instead of aesthetic feeling?
To explain it in English – that most of Rangers you see here know the difference between playing and role-playing?I humbly apologize for my limited intelligence, o mighty Forum Ranger, but I do not grasp your well-phrased and to the point remark. Once again, I humbly apologize.
It’s okay, average Ranger fellow.
Your intelligence might get better at any time. Addressing the person you are talking about (who needs it) instead of us who know what are you talking about, making it posting it here needless in half, might definitely be a better start.
I do not really apologize. The truth is that the person you were referring to is the one who needs your OP. Not really the forum section (edit: even though it’s okay to post it here; just like commenting. It’s just that you don’t achieve your goal here).
Furthermore, if you intend to deteriorate your own intelligence you might try to take an example from your own OP. Just saying.
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I found a solution on Ranger’s suggestions involving F1 toggle mechanic of Attack/Follow.
If they made Attack=baseline able to toggle to Follow
and made it reset back to Attack if the Pet’s target dies
It would save 90% of unnecessary double tapping just to send pet to attack a specific target (especially for Passive stance users)
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The funny thing is that if ranger got fixed and had pet issues addressed with solutions already on the table …
… We would have been actually completely fine, viable, competitive and on par with others.
I went through some numbers and objective-achievements the other day and realized that Rangers might not have been so bad if they worked. But since everything on ranger is puppied………
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Don’t you think that majority of Forum Rangers are the ones who can use logic instead of aesthetic feeling?
To explain it in English – that most of Rangers you see here know the difference between playing and role-playing?
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Truth be told,
Sick’Em now just needs to be Fixed.
There’s absolutely no logical, grammar or Dev-statement involving anything such as “is cancelled if you accidentally touch your pet”.
Pet’s Increased attack or his movement speed has nothing to do with changing targets or calling pet back (Or for gods sake activating his attack abilities).
The bug comes from Protect Me mechanic where your pet “trades attacking for damage transfer” – meaning that if you force your pet to attack – he will consider it an order and stops his former action (damage transfer) in order to attack.
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@borya
Actually, I suggested the pet stow in combat at every single thread mentioning pet stow.
Now that I think about it… Didn’t I mention it in any of my “change required” threads?
I’ll go check and add it when I have the time.
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If just Spirits’ Cast Times actives were instant and would apply the effect on death – I’d find them viable.
Now they can be fine if the enemy is bad or will be useless if your enemy uses both of his eyes.
Also, I hate ANet for stealth-nerfing them. From everything I can get over with – I can’t stand stealth-nerfing. If I’m getting nerfed (unfairly) I have to know about it. keeping it to themselves is the highest level of toxic nature I hoped I’ll not suffer from in this game after it made me leave WoW several years ago.
I believe Gyros will be better since they were designed as an Elite spec (meaning they’ll buff it if it sux) rather than already luckluster abilities that got nerfed with pre-HoT patches (thanks Anet).
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If you just watch the synergy of stability and might with Flamethrower with Engie, you’ll start to question how are you exactly supposed to get Engi off you (since it’s been mentioned as the only counter to their pursuit, plus he might be evading).
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When i think about it which spot is still open? The dd is damage or controll, the scrapper is controll or support, at least i think so. So whats the most likely spot for druids?
Probably support too.
Both offensive and defensive. If you think about it, almost all of us already have a DPS choice. Giving us some more support (of whichever kind) is what Elite specializations seem to be about.
Necro – chill offensive support
Ele – stun breaking support
Guardian – Ranged utility support
Thief – offensive combat “support” (safe stomping) > Staff will not be their DPS option
…
And so on.
So I believe Rangers might very likely become the buffing/recuperating and disrupting kind of support. You know, those that have been mentioned a dozen of times like launch, roots, heals (I believe an Elite heal was announced back when Druid was leaked), resistance…
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@Ehecatl
My name should meet your expectations.
And my name’s appeared in a lot of thread so far.
Now I realize how interestingly it fits all the situations in addition to my realistic nature.
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I already have a grasp of how to do it (with a sheer bit of luck) fail-proof.
I believe you guyz are already familiar with the way of:
All responses should obey the template:
Build used: X
Purpose of the build: XYZ
Focus on mechanic: X
What was good or why did it fail to do it’s job.
You know. Those kind of things. I also intend to reserve the 1st two posts for a vast thread just in case to make a summary.
That way all kind of irrelevant topics get sorted out to avoid any subjective feelings all of us (me included) might have.
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i think this skill is the one we saw in trailer against the wood hounds
there are literally 3 jumps, so its somehow desperate to use this as a reason to get a bug back
Well, everything nice was a bug.
How come everything frustrating to manage or bugged is working as intended?
I can totally understand the Ranger community. Don’t you think they deserve the right to be frustrated and desperate after all they have been going through when no sign of light is up ahead?
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I’ve been doubting we will get anything anytime soon.
From what I’ve seen everything Rangers asked for for past few years Engies got.
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@Revan
I mean, if it was immobilize I’d be all up for that.
Traps already suffer from high risk, so giving it a bit more reward for such an easy counterplay is not a bad thing to do.
Also, rooting the enemy for 2 guaranteed Chill applications and possibly blowing 1 dodge roll are not bad either.
It’s just that we asked for that change into Trapper’s Expertise before pre-HoT changes and we got a silly cripple, so I’m trying to find some other possible solutions.
However, the immobilize always was and ever will be the best solution for trap problems. Making them high risk/high reward is what they need. Now only for the reward part…
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@Jester
I was this close <→ to agreeing with your #1 suggestion. Than I found that it’s not idiot-proof and that’s not my jam.
That kind of ruined the joke. You know, 90% is a high enough number for people to take it personally. But after all – when I saw Ele and Warrior forums doing the same actually being heard and buffed into oblivion, I came to realize I don’t regret being in this class custody.
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Never MM in PvP. Worthless tree.
Was thinking the same, actually.
The only thing worthwhile in the tree are 20% damage modifiers for PvE.
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My concerns are that even if they do make druid a really interesting specialization – and maybe get us viable
- they’ll just drop any fixes and changes we really need because you know… They did a good job and they can take a cookie, not ever sticking their noses into our class again until they find we have something nice and nerf us back again (hello GS Swoop).
If they fail – we’ll basically get a chance to rebel and fill their boxes with ideas how to fix things they did wrong, from the very core since that place is overflooded by problems and issues.
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The drones look nice, more in a moving spirits style than pets imho. Personally, i love pets/minions, i’m glad that another class gains access to the ‘summoner’ style.
Plus they’re insanely thematic. Asura engineers should have been surrounded by flying constructs from launch.
I’m glad that more classes get access to summoning mechanics.
I’m just kittened more than I used to be when I was a stupid teenager because (oh, correct me if I’m wrong) we Rangers were supposed to be the pet-class and the only thing I see happening is every single class being fixed, updated, buffed, remade, utilized except Rangers so seeing others getting only the best of what we were supposed to hold is getting frustrating
and I’m sincerely done with their load of promises and giggles about how “Invigorating Bond is a powerful trait”. I’m not kidding. I was disgusted when I saw Ranger pre-HoT updates and none of them even knew what for the love of lord happened to our class.
It’s just sad how they kept mentioning how good job they did with the synergy (such as I don’t know… Nature’s Vengeance with Fortifying bond maybe? I felt like I’ll need a resuscitation).
I felt wrong when they mentioned Synergy of Clarion Bond with Remorseless. They could have also mentioned that every Ranger can play a charr to get even more amazing Synergy with battle roar (for 1 hit on 30/35 sec CD. I’m out)
Maybe I wouldn’t have become so skeptic and arrogant about this matter if they took their job seriously. Because giggling about how they fail at what they do (quote after 3 seconds of silence of not knowing what the hell Ranger traits do: “Best level commentary! Haha”) is not really what I wanted to hear after they made countless of people buy their expansion for a lot of money (needless to say they included base game in the expansion, making people who bought it a few days before regret their life).
If they decided to take only the best of utilities from Ranger AI and offer it to Engineers – they need to feel responsible for the feelings we Rangers will hold after being ignored for 3 years straight now and still counting.
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It’s Frost Trap. The chill it applies is the use. It may not see competitive use and used in niche chill builds, but the design for the intent is solid. A nice chill and one of the fastest ice fields available.
If it’s still not good enough, tell Anet replace it with a Dust Trap or improve Trapper’s Expertise.
That’s exactly the problem.
It’s still not good enough.
That’s a 30 second cooldown (that isn’t guaranteed to proc, procs late and people can just walk out) that blocks our only access to offense, defense or utility. Assuming we are playing PvP (only place where chill is useful).
If you want disruption – you don’t even think about it. Straight Spike trap it is.
If you want to kite – you don’t need any trap of choice because Cripple from Trapper’s Expertise.
If you want to deal damage, you’ll certainly not pick ice trap since Flame Trap will deal more even with 0 condi damage.
The trap is not fine because it doesn’t fill any single role or purpose at all. If you intend to play Trapper builds – you don’t have enough utility slots because you’ll certainly pick Spike Trap, Flame Trap, and if you are brave enough to go without Lightning Reflexes – you’ll get Viper’s Nest (and not Ice Trap).
With all due respect. How many of those who claim the trap is fine are using it today (for other purposes than hotjoin, please)
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Absolutely no problem at all, Bryzy, we as the community are one. Names do not really matter. Well, for the beginning to inform you of my plans:
the 1st day of Beta druid weekend I’ll be reading through every trait and skill description, trying what synergy can be made. Then I’ll go and ask you guyz on forums for help and feedback on how did your combinations go for you, doing the maths on builds I didn’t think of (prejudice of useless builds just as The almighty Regen Ranger PvE meta as you know I loathe). The more suggestions to go with the merrier, that will be the time for you to give me the most crazy and out-of-meta suggestions (just please, everything in moderation… including moderation).
After all the tests numbers and brainstorming (probably when the beta ends) I’ll gather all the numerically and logically correct ideas and suggestions, and if they do not meet the expectations I’ll probably get a ban for being honest (aka ANet are a bunch of unfair kittens for they had 1 chance to get us fixed and they decided to buff icebow instead).
Let’s hope I am wrong this time (for the 1st time during my Ranger career).
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Frost Trap has a purpose and is viable. It just doesn’t line up with what you want. As is, it’s fine.
What’s it’s use?
I mean, I was kind of able to force it into a build but I realized I’m simply forsaking myself and replaced the trap with spike or what not.
The trap has a use only if you are desperate to try and find a use for it. It doesn’t have a single competitive use.
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What I wanted to achieve is to actually have traps that have clear use.
The thing is that every other trap already has a purpose.
Flame – condi DPS
Viper’s Nest – condi healing reduction
Spike – CC and condi spike
Frost – <nothing in particular>
We have absolutely zero Traps for Zerk use (except Spike that doesn’t scale in DMG) and that’s why I believe this trap doesn’t need any more dps conditions glued since we as a class no longer need more condition pressure (that’s what other 3 traps are).
Traps (in my opinion) fit hunters and rangers in particular and I’d personally like to see traps being used even in Zerk gear with Longbow. I mean, that’s the whole purpose of a battle trap. Prevent the enemy from getting to you.
Don’t you guyz want a viable Longbow build with spike trap for CC and hard-hitting chilling (amazing fighting condi) trap? To actually play around positioning and not stats for once, as a ranger should?
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I might look into it.
But I mean… You guyz know me. I never sugarcoat things. If the druid is a disgrace I’ll say it straight even though I explain why. The problem is that people never want to hear the truth if it isn’t something they wanted to hear.I might stick to the usual activity I do now. Observe and provide feedback.
I want to hear the truth. We trust you.
I’ll be moving place with worse wi-fi so I won’t be able to do anything competitive like fractals or pvp anyways. Testing all day long seems like the thing I’ll be doing anyways.
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I might look into it.
But I mean… You guyz know me. I never sugarcoat things. If the druid is a disgrace I’ll say it straight even though I explain why. The problem is that people never want to hear the truth if it isn’t something they wanted to hear.
I might stick to the usual activity I do now. Observe and provide feedback.
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Ahahah… Welcome to Anet land where the they use their own brand of logic.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2JJtsXPEJHs/ULY2oZT_48I/AAAAAAAACQU/ArPi70Vnri8/s1600/FL.pngLately i think i’m very salty.. Am i?
You were farming the toxic mordrem event with me, weren’t you?
It made more of us straight-talking never sugarcoating thing anymore.
Anyways, for starters, it would be much appreciated if breathing didn’t cancel Sick’Em hand in hand with protect me.
I can’t stand that for Beast Mastery Builds I’m forced to control my pet via dull shouts because if I touch the pet any other way, I lose all the effects from shouts overall.
Sick’Em would be such a good choice for roaming or PvP or WvW if it didn’t get cancelled by pressing the bloody F2. The burst pets – birds – should be able to scale their burst with that ability. But if you try doing so – you lose all the damage.
But after all, why do I keep saying things like this? No one from ANet cares anyways and all of us already know.
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Predator’s Onslaught = sword oriented (max single target DPS)
Remorseless = GreatSword oriented (burst or vuln stacking)
Lead the Wind = Longbow oriented (safe range)
That’s just how it is. You have to take into consideration that if you hit at least 2 people with your arrows – you just got a 100% damage increase (that can go up to 500%).
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