Today I have been hearing people getting the same ascended items consecutively.
I also got two barbed signet rings today from a level 18 and 25 run. Are the rewards messed up? Did the patch break it?
Anet needs to address this issue and the broken promises they made about getting guaranteed fractal gear when completing higher levels.
Where did you see this promise?
Oh I don’t know, maybe a half a year ago or so when they were talking about reworking fractals……….
They never said anything about guaranteed rewards. If they did, I’m sure you can find the red post stating such; otherwise your statement and anger are meaningless.
Today I have been hearing people getting the same ascended items consecutively.
I also got two barbed signet rings today from a level 18 and 25 run. Are the rewards messed up? Did the patch break it?
Anet needs to address this issue and the broken promises they made about getting guaranteed fractal gear when completing higher levels.
Where did you see this promise?
Belka is still working fine. You probably bugged it out the old fashioned way.
See you next patch
Maybe.
And spoil the opportunity to make an attention seeking “I’m Back!” thread? No way.
I thought “farewell” posts were against the forum rules?
Have you ever thought of not crafting the back piece?
Beating a dead horse is neither entertaining nor funny.
Cripple, Chill, Immobilize, Fear, Daze, Knockdown.
I’m going to use Divinity’s Reach just as a baseline for how large the smallest dungeons in the game ought to be.
In terms of actual real estate, all dungeons should cover at least as much ground as Divinity’s Reach, and many should be even larger than that.
In addition, they should get rid of these linear story paths – and make dungeons truly exploration based – they should just be places you go to delve as deep as you can, facing whatever challenges you find along the way.
I don’t like how the dungeons resembled personal story – and how the actual path you take is just go from one room to the next, kill a few things, go to the next room.
I want vast – VAST – cavern complexes and castles. Going miles into the earth.
And I want to be able to log out inside a dungeon and resume when I log back in. Dungeons could take several days to explore the entirety of them.
Also, they should have small DE’s just like the open world.
Sounds like a raid to me.
Show me your data from your calculations? Oh, you have none.
Fine, then you can just show me the video with the in game data? Oh forgot, that doesn’t exist either.
Conclusion: You are purely concluding this based off of your speculation with no data, research, or sources to back you. So just chill and wait for the patch.
Actually, you don’t know what data our guild has. We know exactly what warrior dps is currently. We know exactly what it will be if you remove 5% from WWA and the first 8 hits of 100b. We know exactly what the coefficient of Arcing Slice below 50% is, and we know the cast time.
For what it’s worth, the GS nerf is a 2.55% over all DPS nerf. Assuming you use Arcing Slice on cooldown as soon as your boss hits 50%, and can land 2 or more hits, that turns into a net 1.3% dps increase. The net result of all this is that in most dungeon content you won’t get to use Arcing Slice 2+ times against most bosses and it will function mostly how Eviscerate does now.
The sum total of these changes is a net loss of DPS. If there are more changes in the patch notes we don’t know yet, great, but right now with the information we have it is what it is.
Feel free to drop by our public theorycraft forum at www.dtguilds.com if you want to participate in informed discussion.
http://www.youtube.com/user/turbodzan
Build guides + warrior and thief pov for almost every dungeon path using meta speed run strats.
In GW1 you could do a tactic called ‘corner blocking.’ The same type who hate stacking now are the same people who hated corner blocking in gw1.
Does it make sense (i.e. is it fun?) that a player’s progress towards that goal can be blocked or even erased because timmy plays 8 hours a day or has mom’s credit card?
Is that how you think it works? When Timmy logs in to play or uses mom’s credit card the game removes the gold from your inventory?
Or is your position that people who acquire gold faster than you are able to buy things faster than you is somehow a problem that requires fixing?
Understanding fail.
My point was that the gap never closes. You farmed 500g since the beginning of May. You started 1000g away from buying your pre. Meanwhile, timmy and his buddies have ground out 1500g and bid up the prices. You are still 1000g away from getting there = you made no progress.
No, I completely understood. You strike me as one of those people who assumes anyone who disagrees with them must not understand them because if they understood their point the sheer obviousness of it would cause instant agreement. What you fail to understand is that two people can look at the same data set and draw differing conclusions even if they agree on the underlying numbers.
Your example is flawed for the following reasons…
1. At the most basic level, anyone who is so casual as to only be able to acquire 500g in 3 months (something like 5g per day) should consider whether their goals match their commitment. Perhaps it is reasonable, perhaps it isn’t I make no judgments. But if you do feel like you’re barely treading water to you goal perhaps some re-evaluation is in order. If my goal was to be in the top 1% of competitive PvP and I was only able to put in about 40 minutes per day of practice (roughly 5g worth of playtime) and I found I wasn’t really rising much on the leaderboard I would similarly reconsider if my goal was reasonable.
2. You cherry picked a time post feature patch when demand for Dusk skyrocketed. Just as similarly, I could say that if he had begin grinding January 1, and had 500g on April 1, he would only have been 300g away from his goal. If he had started May 1 2013 and had 500g by Aug 1 2013 he would only have been 100g away.
3. The gap closes. http://www.gw2spidy.com/item/29185 Does that look like inflationary spiral to you? That looks to me like a fairly stable price that had a demand shock in April 2014 and has already begun to level off. If you argue the gap never closes I would have to cite the specific rate of inflation you claim (i.e. the price of dusk is increasing 5g per day and that rate is unchanging) as well as prove that a player’s earnings cannot equal it.
Does it make sense (i.e. is it fun?) that a player’s progress towards that goal can be blocked or even erased because timmy plays 8 hours a day or has mom’s credit card?
Is that how you think it works? When Timmy logs in to play or uses mom’s credit card the game removes the gold from your inventory?
Or is your position that people who acquire gold faster than you are able to buy things faster than you is somehow a problem that requires fixing?
The problem, mtpelion, is the sort of geniuses who make “precursors are too expensive” threads aren’t going to understand the subtle point this thread makes.
You’re right, no one is making me get this item. But I WANT IT BADLY. And when you want something badly, you’ll do almost anything to get it. Almost. Everything. Almost. Emphasis on almost.
So then you can almost have it.
Probably more than most players. But fractals I will NEVER do again. I gave it multiple go’s but still hated it – why can’t people just accept that I don’t like it?
Everyone accepts that you don’t like it. The difference is no one accepts that your dislike of fractals provides a reasonable expectation to change the recipe to craft the item. Why can’t you accept that the recipe is what it is and you can take it or leave it?
And sorry but I am being forced to do content I don’t like. Tell me, is there another way to get the Mists Stone? No. So stop telling me I’m being lazy and just need to suck it up people.
How are you forced? Will you be locked out of future events or content if you fail to acquire this item? No, so stop telling me you are forced to do anything.
Like I have said, multiple times, but I will repeat myself…
I am more than willing to put in the time and effort, just give me another way to get the Mists Stone. Same difficulty. Different Method.
I am more than willing to put in the time and effort, just give me another way to get the Mists Stone. Same difficulty. Different Method.
I am more than willing to put in the time and effort, just give me another way to get the Mists Stone. Same difficulty. Different Method.
I am more than willing to put in the time and effort, just give me another way to get the Mists Stone. Same difficulty. Different Method.
I am more than willing to put in the time and effort, just give me another way to get the Mists Stone. Same difficulty. Different Method.
Hope that sinks in now. And hopefully people will stop accusing me of being lazy. How would you like it if you were forced to do something you absolutely despise with a passion, and then get a ton of players claiming you’re lazy? Wtf? They obviously didn’t read my posts…
You might or might not be lazy, this neither disproves that theory nor proves it. What this outburst proves is you are more than willing to embarrass yourself when your sense of entitlement collides head on with reality.
Either way, I’m just going to leave this thread. Too many people claiming I’m lazy and that I just need to get with the program without even realising my point of view or reading my posts fully. Thanks to those who actually understand things from my perspective – especially those who do fractals.
Your mistake, again, is that you believe that since we disagree with you that we aren’t reading your posts or understanding your point of view. On the contrary, everyone reads your posts. Everyone understands your point of view. We simply reject it because it’s illogical and immature.
For now, I’m done. Anet probably won’t change a thing and I will just have to learn that in the future, if there is something I want, I will just have to leave it for a few weeks and wait to investigate what it requires before attempting to get it, because I might be extremely disappointed with the acquisition of it, especially if it forces me to do content I don’t like, such as fractals – I hate it so much in fact, that I’d rather stick my head in a fat vat. I know what the trolls are thinking “Don’t start people pleasing now”. Don’t worry, I’m not coming back to my thread.
This is the first mature position you’ve taken yet in this thread.
I have a suggestion. Require teams to include a window of the time counter from time.gov in their stream. This way, spectators will have an accurate measurement of which team is in the lead for that dungeon. This should also help commentators as well.
Perhaps set this up in your DnT’s Friday fight nights to see how much it could contribute?
That would be wonderful and if we could implement it, we definitely would. I suspect that imposing that technological limitation would reduce the amount of teams competing though.
Wait aren’t these the same people who are crying for anet to implement a scavenger hunt for precursors? I wonder if they are aware that a precursor scavenger would make the time/difficulty of this one look tame by comparison…
“WHAT DO YOU MEAN I HAVE TO FINISH ALL FOUR ARAH EXPLORABLES IN THE SAME DAY TO GET A PIECE OF MY DUSK?!!?!! WHY CAN”T I JUST RUN AROUND EDGE OF THE MISTS AND GET IT??!?!?!?!?"
Nope. That doesn’t even make sense. How could those who don’t want to run instanced group content be “same people”, as those who want a precursor for crafting a legendary? Think about it.
I can spell it out in capitals if it will help.
It’s the same group of people who want end game rewards without putting in the effort currently required.
Wait aren’t these the same people who are crying for anet to implement a scavenger hunt for precursors? I wonder if they are aware that a precursor scavenger would make the time/difficulty of this one look tame by comparison…
“WHAT DO YOU MEAN I HAVE TO FINISH ALL FOUR ARAH EXPLORABLES IN THE SAME DAY TO GET A PIECE OF MY DUSK?!!?!! WHY CAN”T I JUST RUN AROUND EDGE OF THE MISTS AND GET IT??!?!?!?!?"
Miku’s video is good.
In a group setting where you will have Axe/Mace you want to start the fight in Axe/Mace, use #4, #2, #5 (unless saving it for utility), swap and then do the GS rotation. this will give you a nice vuln burst to start the fight. If the fight is going to be extremely short (like if using FGS, just do 100b, WWA, Rush and the fight will be more or less over.)
As far as Eviscerate goes, you can/should always swap to Eviscerate when the boss gets low for a final burst. Ideally Eviscerate will be the death blow, so you won’t have any DPS loss.
Using your signet of fury or Healing surge to do a mid fight burst skill is always a waste of time and dps.
Removing the condition cap wouldn’t make condition damage builds more viable in group play, but it would make having two in the pug party not be completely awful.
The big limiting factor of condition damage builds is the fact that Rampager’s gear is lower DPS than Rabid. If Rampagers was CONDI/power/pre or Power/condi/pre you would have a gear set that could compete with berserkers in fights long enough to overcome the ramp up time issue condition damage has.
Five teams registered!
Prove that all accounts have the same odds. (does this seem familiar?)
You must have one of those “bad RNG” accounts anet creates when people put in their key during account creation. So duplicitous!
It’s a nerf for pve.
It’s an irrelevant buff for pvp since no one will use it over hammer anyway at high level play.
Failing to see how this is spun as a positive. The only people who benefit are people who were going to run GS in pvp regardless of anything.
Every team in the ToL used a hambow with soldier amulet. How do you balance that? Clearly, by nerfing greatsword dps.
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edit: soldier amulet. strength runes.
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Some players enjoy the climb and quit when they get to the top. Other players enjoy the view from the top much more than the climb.
While it doesn’t really apply to this sub-community, but I’ve seen lots of players who work their kitten off for a legendary and then quit. For them, the game was about getting the legendary and then they won and were done. It doesn’t compute for me. I enjoy running around and playing with the legendary 10x more than the awful grind to get it. Whats the point of having Twilight if you don’t play with it after you get it?
In regards to dungeons specifically, I look back at how comparatively bad we were two years ago and I think to how comparatively good we might be in two years from now. The fun for me is refinement and optimization and getting ever better.
Precursor demand maintains the price floor for other things. Without expensive precursors, exotic weapons become worthless. Ecto drops in price. Rares drop in price to match the new low ecto prices. The items in the economy are interlinked, and the precursors are the linchpin that holds it together. People already complain that the loot system in the game is bad since drops have no value, the drops would have significantly less value if precursor prices crashed.
GS hasn’t had a nerf. It’s a 5 percent reduction to 100b and WW, but Arcing Slice is AoE and now has a 2.6 modifier while under 50%
The only time this change will ever matter is PvE and you can bet your kitten that Arcing Slice is probably going to be part of most good rotations, as bosses will be at <50% for a long time.
For PvP/WvW, the nerf to 100b and WW sort of make sense. 100b is slighty more bearable if you get caught out via a stun or immobilize and WW isn’t quite as hard hitting, however they buffed Arcing Slice to actually make a really great impact in a fight if used properly and effectively.
A 2.6 co-efficient is actually really high. If you run the right build, that’s going to drop a squishie or medium class down to nearly 0% HP, as it can hit upwards of 10k.
GS is pretty much insane for WvW. You can drop 10k in full 5 target AoE. If you get a 3 warriors doing that you can pretty much 1-shot a backline after you make your first pass through.
The changes make sense and this is coming from a high-end PvE player, a Champ Legionnaire and a driver of a WvW guild. I’ve got over 4k hours on my warrior. I don’t know why people are complaining. Pretty much every change to warrior makes sense, maybe with the exception of SoR, but even then they’re making room for other elites to become a more attractive option.
Coming from me, the leader of the top pve guild in the game, I can safely say your conclusion is wrong. There is always someone with a better curriculum vitae to trump your appeal to authority, so it’s best not to try that logical fallacy.
If you think a 2.6 modifier is going to be “a worthwhile part of any good rotation” you’d have to explain why Eviscerate and its 3.0 modifier isn’t currently part of “any good rotation.”
A perfect warrior rotation is 1.42 coefficients per second. This skill inflicts a 2.6. Therefore it’s an improvement of 1.18. The problem is that it costs you a 15% damage modifier which takes approximately 10 seconds to replace fully. This is crippling, so the best use is an end of the fight final burst when there won’t be any damage to lose. If that is the case, why would anyone use Arcing Slice for that instead of Eviscerate?
However, in a phalanx strength build or a 46040 EA build where you can use it on cool down it would be a DPS increase once the target hits 50%.
Berserker power does 5% more dmg per bar of adrenaline so it’s not a 15% loss over 10 seconds. It’s a 15% —> 10% --> 5% —> 0% over the course of a few seconds per each.
The warrior dps rotation also has various bursts/fluxuations. For example, GS F1 —> Axe2, Axe1. After adrenaline is depleted, swapping and axe 2 and the first 3 hits of the auto attack will be at 0% but the last 3 will be at 5%. Since the last hit is worth more, the dps loss isn’t as bad as a flat loss that you are assuming. Continuing on single targets, just for swapping back and forth between gs/axe will give you 1 bar (5+5 strikes) of adrenaline. Axe 2×2 and Full Axe auto = 10 more strikes to reach 10%. So a max of 5 seconds to get to 10% buff . By the final strike of 100b, adrenaline will be at 100%. This also assumes a single target. Vs 3 targets, the last hit of the axe auto attack will be at 15% buff after 3 seconds. Not the 10 seconds of 0% bonus that you claim.
I didn’t claim that? I claimed an average of 10% damage reduction as you were refilling adrenaline. So you did a lot of napkin math for nothing.
Also, “axe2x2 and full axe auto” is not the optimal dps rotation. Are you accounting for that dps loss?
Let’s finally look at the tooltips in the ready up. 3552+931 for 100b vs 1044/2088 for the GS burst. If your 100b hits for about 40k then a below 50% burst will hit for about 20k vs 1 target. If that sounds ridiculous, think about the fact that a pvp warrior with no buffs hit 5.9k.
That’s approaching the ridiculous math 24k number you are tossing out.
It’s 19k. Which is a lot less than the break even point of 24k. I feel like you are white-knighting here. Why does no pve warrior spam eviscerate in the middle of boss fights? It hits harder than Arcing Slice will, so according to your logic its a DPS gain? No? Well then why are you defending Arcing Slice like that?
Let’s try to figure out a more realistic number. VS single target, the 5 seconds of axing in between the gs is at a ~10% loss. The final hit of 100b and ww and gs burst will all be at 15%. So the dmg loss of a 12k dps warrior is closer to 12k x 0.1 × 5 seconds + 12k x 0.05 × 3 sec or 7.8k. That’s still assuming uniform dmg which is not the case. The heavy hitters will still be buffed more so the dmg loss is probably around 6-7k.
So why don’t you spam Eviscerate in fights? Or better yet, let’s actually pretend that your math is right and we should spam Eviscerate in fights, why would anyone use Arcing Slice when you could use Eviscerate for the same role?
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You know what else kills trash mobs? Your normal skills that do 12,000dps. The point still is you have to do 24,000 damage per arcing slice before it breaks even.
So, using your burst skill drops your DPS to 0 until you get back up to max adrenaline?
…excuse me if I cease listening to any math breakdowns you do.
You don’t get it. You produce 12k dps doing your normal rotation with Berserker’s Power. If you use your burst skill you lose 12,000 total damage over that 10 seconds. The burst skill itself has to make up that lost damage. It’s not a matter of the skill itself doing 12k damage since you do 12k damage per second without using the skill. You have to consider the opportunity cost. The skill has to do the normal 12kdps plus make up for the 12k damage you are losing from berserker’s power. And that is just to break even.
Arcing slice now cleaves. Which means that it hits more than one mob, in fact; you will hit up to 5.
you will also do increased damage to foes under 50% HP..
your “lost DPS” has simply moved into blending groups in a 360 degree aoe around you instead of hitting one mob once.
1. Nobody would use Arcing Slice to kill trash mobs. DPS against single target (aka bosses) is the only thing anyone considers relevant.
2. Against a single target neither Arcing Slice nor Eviscerate are worth using since Berserker’s Power is greater DPS.
3. Your math is terrible. A normal warrior does 12,000 dps. If you use your burst skill you do an average of 10,800 for the next 10 seconds. The damage lost totals 12,000. The burst skill has to replace this lost damage. Remember a warrior already does 12,000 dps. So if the burst skill makes 12,000 damage with a 1 second cast time/aftercast that is no different than what the warrior already does without it. So in order to equal what the warrior already does AND make up for the damage loss of Berserker’s Power the burst skill has to do 24,000 damage. And that make it break even. This is why people use their Eviscerate at the end of the boss fight in PvE as a finisher, and will be the same with Arcing Slice. The loss of adrenaline won’t matter as the fight is over. But you would not incorporate it into a normal DPS rotation since the opportunity cost vs the benefit makes no sense.
First, didn’t i say i am a damage + support warrior? That means i never have berserker power in the first hand, so using burst skill never hurt my dps. 2nd, with the new mob ai at LS2 constantly moving, it is hardly able to finish a full set of 100B, new arcing slice is a solution. 3rd, during long fight, like legendary boss, you have plenty of time to gain AS bonus attack because every AS you hit after hp reduced below 50%.
I’m not even sure how to address this. If you don’t use berserker’s power you can use your burst skill as much as you want. Since every good warrior build in PvE uses berserker’s power discussing other build’s isn’t particularly relevant. Though, this does make the phalanx strength build a little better, but even that build is pretty garbage.
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If other professions had auto-attacks that rooted them in place, “turn off auto-attack” would not be seen as an acceptable solution.
To be fair, others do, just not to the same extent. Both warrior and guardian 3rd auto attacks on greatsword lock you into the animation and cause fumble dodges. You don’t really ever notice it unless you put yourself in situations where you have to make split second moves like boss solos where you can get 1hk very easily.
From a PvE perspective…
The affected hits (first 8 of 100b and 4x WWA) equals 51% of a warrior’s DPS. This means overall dps for a warrior is reduced by about 2.5% roughly speaking.
What does this look like?
For the standard meta build (65003) the base dps with no vuln goes from 9,589 to 9,345.
In all, it seems like an extremely dumb thing for anet to be nerfing because…
1. In PvP Hammer and Longbow are the dominant weapons especially at higher levels of competition. So why nerf greatsword dps?
2. In PvE warrior is 4th or 5th out of 8 in terms of DPS, so it isn’t like they are addressing some PvE imbalance.
Most likely this nerf is “compensation” for the “great” new burst skill nobody will ever use in PvE and probably never use in high level PvP either. Sounds like a bad trade.
So in conclusion, the nerf is relatively minor overall but still annoying.
I have been waiting a reborn arcing slice like that for ages. I really don’t see a reason not to use it. Yes MAYBE the nerf will hurt the sustain damage with berserker power in long run, but with good adrenaline management, it is easy to gain adrenaline in long battle, and the more the foe hp, the more AS bonus damage you will deal, its actually more than make up the lost dps in long run. If the fight is a short one, your burst damage is much much bigger than the current 100B alone.
I hardly see a reason not to use it, seriously.
You’re never going to use it PvE. If it takes about 10 seconds (being generous) to build up adrenaline after you burst, that means you lose 15-5% of your dps for 10 seconds.
Let’s say you lose 10% dps for 10 seconds. Warrior dps in a fully buffed party is around 12,000 so by activating this skill you lose around 12,000 damage. This skill would have to provide +12000 damage vs whatever else your options would be. Meaning, the skill would have to do around 24,000 damage before it breaks even. FWIW, a 24,000 damage skill in a fully buffed party is around a 3.0 coefficient.
This is the same coefficient as Eviscerate. And that is just to break even. If you want it to be an actual dps increase it would have to be even higher. If you think Anet is going to make this skill hit as hard in aoe as Eviscerate does in single target I would recommend rethinking it.
From a PvE perspective…
The affected hits (first 8 of 100b and 4x WWA) equals 51% of a warrior’s DPS. This means overall dps for a warrior is reduced by about 2.5% roughly speaking.
What does this look like?
For the standard meta build (65003) the base dps with no vuln goes from 9,589 to 9,345.
In all, it seems like an extremely dumb thing for anet to be nerfing because…
1. In PvP Hammer and Longbow are the dominant weapons especially at higher levels of competition. So why nerf greatsword dps?
2. In PvE warrior is 4th or 5th out of 8 in terms of DPS, so it isn’t like they are addressing some PvE imbalance.
Most likely this nerf is “compensation” for the “great” new burst skill nobody will ever use in PvE and probably never use in high level PvP either. Sounds like a bad trade.
So in conclusion, the nerf is relatively minor overall but still annoying.
Bad mistake, which caused that Support, CC and conditions have the shortest straw…
Support and CC are part of every speed clear team comp, but most don’t pay attention. Condition damage is viable for dungeon solos.
Since I successfully turned your position, I expect you will reply expressing thanks for the educational moment.
All the teams in the TOL doing well are using Hambow with Soldier Amulet.
Clearly the solution is to that is to nerf greatsword dps skills.
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If you’re talking a group probably warriors, mesmers (assuming you get 3 spear phantams up) and an engineer. Might stacking isn’t so hot underwater, so a PS warrior is actually really sick.
Empowered Allies is a huge boost to overall team DPS when using FGS. If you’re doing a record type speed run and your plan is to melt bosses with FGS and Ice Bows your warrior needs to be using EA.
Reasoning: EA is something like a 4% team DPS boost at the cost of like 10% of the warrior’s personal dps. In normal conditions (when everyone in the party is ding between 10-14k dps) it works out to be a 2-3% dps gain for your party. Nothing so major that you would care in a casual run.
However, when using FGS, it is a gigantic increase in overall DPS.
Warrior without EA = 12kdps With EA = 10,800 = -1,200 dps
Ele using FGS = 36kdps With EA = 37,800 = +1800 dps
Ele #2 using FGS = 36k dps with ea = 37800 = +1800 dps
thief using FGS = 39k dps with ea = 40,950 = +1950 dps
Guardian using FGS = 33k dps with ea = 34,650 = 1650 dps
So when using FGS and EA the part gains a net of 6,000dps which is basically like having half of a second warrior. In percentage terms, its the same, but in nominal terms its a rather enormous gain and matters a lot.
Two teams registered! Start practicing!
Wow. I’ve seen some amazingly good ideas over the years.
This isn’t one.
There are just as many zerker casuals and phiw hardcores. You are all perpetuating a false dichotomy. Many, many casuals love being efficient and playing good dps builds. Many, many hardcore players who log on 12 hours a day love playing cleric healers.
I wouldn’t take snowblind second either. Harpy fractal all day.
People who want urban battleground obviously never did it when fotm 80 was open. Atherblade is pretty easy now, but once they open up higher levels it will be really hard.
Basically any fractal with lots of trash mobs becomes insanely hard at 70+.
Stick in a composition with a ranger, EA warrior, guardian and then like phalanx warrior and engi to handle might/vuln. Then swap the EA warrior for a 30/25 warrior and the guardian for like a thief or something. Then take a look at the numbers for those two classes compared to ranger.
Interestingly, while the ranger’s personal dps isn’t anything special, when you look at the total party dps it looks like rangers bring enough to make them competitive with thieves and eles. …and easily surpass warriors by 2~3k (that is, warriors other than the 1 PS for 25might)
of the available builds there, mesmer, necro and gaurd appear to bring poor damage.
war, engy and ranger table boosting overall party dps as their claim to fame – and thus, if you’re trying to optimize, you don’t want more than one of each.
(their value appears to be, in order: PS war, vuln engy, spirit/spot ranger)
(other note: a 2nd ranger is noticably worse than a 2nd engy or war)thief and ele for high personal dps.
while gaurdians bring so much defensive utility that having relatively weak damage doesn’t matter that much, for mesmer and necro, this is very much grounds to exclude them from a party… in the same way you might exclude someone for wearing soldier’s instead of beserkers.
at least, that’s what i observe.
I’m not sure how that paricular tool calculates DPS. It sounds like it’s doing weird things with might and fury if it’s putting PS warrior at top party support contribution. It’s not a super easy thing to calculate the total amount of buffs since might stacking is cumulative (i.e. thief + any other profession’s fire field > those two separately) and vuln can either be measured in bursts (FGS, stuff like OMM) or sustained over time.
I also know the mesmer estimates tend to be lowball since they don’t include phantasm DPS so that may make them look worse than they actually are. I also don’t think that particular calculator accounts for use of Time Warp.
All that having been said, if and when FGS ever gets nerfed, being able to sustain long-duration might/vuln/fury/etc. over time (and not just for 30 seconds or whatever the time window used in that caclulator is) is going to be more important than just asking how you’re going to get the boss tot he wall to be Fiery Rushed.
That calc also doesn’t seem to take into account pet vulnerability
It does take into account pet vuln. It also takes into account mesmer phantasms. Instead of assuming things, perhaps asking a question is something you both should do.
In that case, maybe let me know how you’re calculating mesmer DPS. I’d genuinely like to know since if I remember correctly you’re using DnT numbers, and last I checked DnT numbers for mesmer the conclusion was basically “mesmer sustained DPS is really good but the burst is terrible compared to FGS”. I don’t debate that in the slightest but I’m assuming your calculator doesn’t take FGS into account or 5 eles would be the best comp by about 100000%.
I figured you were either intentionally taking it with fewer than max phantasms (to account for the “phantasms die really fast” complaint), not accounting for Time Warp contribution (which is admittedly hard), using a time period so short that the five-second ramp-up time significantly hurts the average DPS, or all three.
The numbers I posted on our forums were with 0 start up time. The numbers in this calculator by Dekeyz were for 30 second fights and factored in the start up time, so the average dps over 30 seconds is going to be a bit lower.
Assuming the meta (http://dtguilds.com/forum/m/6563292/viewthread/12497977-dnt-warrior-build-41514) is such, you have some interesting deviations.
Please justify the existence of your deviations.
You say “abused the crud” out of it.
Boss has a projectile based attack. Players have skills that reflect projectiles. Using said skills to reflect the projectiles is called, “playing the encounter as intended” as far as I am concerned. It’s highly troubling that you consider using projectile reflection skills against projectiles to be “abuse.” Perhaps you should spending some time reflecting on how your point of view is so skewed?
That calc also doesn’t seem to take into account pet vulnerability
It does take into account pet vuln. It also takes into account mesmer phantasms. Instead of assuming things, perhaps asking a question is something you both should do.
unfortunately, ït is then calculating with a sub-optimal pet and sub-optimal pet usage. Usage of a feline pet WILL have a MINIMUM of 3.7 stacks of vulnerability on the target at any time. Usage of anything else will have LESS stacks of vuln on the target.
Anyway, it comes at no surprise that people calculate the ranger incorrectly. This calc wouldnt be the first, nor the last to do that mistake.
Again you’re wrong. And it’s no surprise you’re wrong because you don’t take the time to ask and continue to make assumptions rather than heed the advice I already gave you to ask questions before making conclusions. if you stopped to pay attention you would understand that the Vulnerability stated on the calculator is in reference to boss fights with Unshakeable (half vuln duration) and the numbers are quite accurate.
So again, instead of presuming yourself to be the smartest guy in the room take a deep breath and ask questions before jumping to conclusions.
There are some scenarios where Air is really good, like 7-8% dps boost good.
There are some scenarios where Air is extremely bad, like 0% dps boost bad.
There are no scenarios where Force is bad. This is why.
So why does gear other than berserkers exist?
1. PvP/WvW
2. In PvE: To provide a safety net for players learning to dodge. I fully understand a newbie who has never fought a boss isnt going to dodge correctly. They will inevitably eat some attacks. Tanky gear or sustain gear will close the learning gap.
why does healing power exist?
Professions with high regeneration or traits/skills that give health per second will survive longer with healing power instead of more vitality or toughness. Compare Zealots (Power/Precision/Healing) vs Knights (Toughness/Precision/Power) on a warrior. Warriors healing signet and naturally high armor combined with heal on crit food means that a warrior using zealots who isnt the best dodger would survive longer (AND DO MORE DAMAGE) using Zealots than he would with Knights. Some professions simply get more survivability from HP than they do adding more vit or toughness.
Anet is throwing away a big part of the game simply because they won’t bother to make the other specs comparable to max dps.
No, they aren’t. The gear, all of it, as it currently exists works perfectly. If you need help dodging and aren’t going to survive without some tankiness or sustainability, the wide spectrum of defensive gear works amazingly in the role it was intended for. The only gear set that is currently broken and dysfunctional is Rampager’s but that’s another story.
The game is 2 years old. People who have been playing for months/years know how to dodge in the same dungeons they have been doing for months/years. They don’t need the defensive safety net any longer. This is why Berserker gear dominates now. Fewer people need the crutches anymore, so fewer people use crutches, simple as that.
Stick in a composition with a ranger, EA warrior, guardian and then like phalanx warrior and engi to handle might/vuln. Then swap the EA warrior for a 30/25 warrior and the guardian for like a thief or something. Then take a look at the numbers for those two classes compared to ranger.
Interestingly, while the ranger’s personal dps isn’t anything special, when you look at the total party dps it looks like rangers bring enough to make them competitive with thieves and eles. …and easily surpass warriors by 2~3k (that is, warriors other than the 1 PS for 25might)
of the available builds there, mesmer, necro and gaurd appear to bring poor damage.
war, engy and ranger table boosting overall party dps as their claim to fame – and thus, if you’re trying to optimize, you don’t want more than one of each.
(their value appears to be, in order: PS war, vuln engy, spirit/spot ranger)
(other note: a 2nd ranger is noticably worse than a 2nd engy or war)thief and ele for high personal dps.
while gaurdians bring so much defensive utility that having relatively weak damage doesn’t matter that much, for mesmer and necro, this is very much grounds to exclude them from a party… in the same way you might exclude someone for wearing soldier’s instead of beserkers.
at least, that’s what i observe.
I’m not sure how that paricular tool calculates DPS. It sounds like it’s doing weird things with might and fury if it’s putting PS warrior at top party support contribution. It’s not a super easy thing to calculate the total amount of buffs since might stacking is cumulative (i.e. thief + any other profession’s fire field > those two separately) and vuln can either be measured in bursts (FGS, stuff like OMM) or sustained over time.
I also know the mesmer estimates tend to be lowball since they don’t include phantasm DPS so that may make them look worse than they actually are. I also don’t think that particular calculator accounts for use of Time Warp.
All that having been said, if and when FGS ever gets nerfed, being able to sustain long-duration might/vuln/fury/etc. over time (and not just for 30 seconds or whatever the time window used in that caclulator is) is going to be more important than just asking how you’re going to get the boss tot he wall to be Fiery Rushed.
That calc also doesn’t seem to take into account pet vulnerability
It does take into account pet vuln. It also takes into account mesmer phantasms. Instead of assuming things, perhaps asking a question is something you both should do.
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