Guild Wars 2

CC Danicia.1394:

It wasn’t that you wrote a haiku, it was the content which was problematic. Flood control will drop off over time. That time is based on how many active infraction points you have at one time.

My apologies… I understand it was the content, I just felt that, having already used that same haiku on the forums in multiple other joke threads without issue, that it was subtle enough to be acceptable. But what’s done is done I suppose. I don’t see why it’s in addition to a ban either.

Can you share any numbers on how quickly this drops off? There have been people asking questions that I can give helpful, honest answers to and I find I can’t due to this additional punishment.

Thanks for responding Danicia, by the way. It is appreciated.

(By the way, did you see the haiku? Do you personally think it’s really that bad? Did you not giggle?)

By the way, if you look at my other jokes in this thread I hope it’s clear I was trying to add legit humor as opposed to some of the hater comments in there.

Factotum.2093:

GW2 has officially become crippleware.

They’re allowing for stacks that are four times larger than what they’ve been offering for nearly ten years and you’re calling it crippleware? Do you even know what the term means?

How long does this type of punishment last? I added a haiku to the GW2 Jokes thread and wound up with three points, a three day ban and now this. For a haiku.

Seems quite excessive.

Stacks of 1000.

Excuse me please… I’m feeling a little emotional and need a moment.

Like the above poster has stated, it’s likely just phishing emails. What you should do is go ahead and see if you can log in, and of course when you do, give things a quick once-over to make sure everything is intact.

To end the phishing attempts, I strongly recommend creating an email account solely for GW2 and nothing else. I made a quickie on gmail for this purpose and that email is used for absolutely nothing else in any way. The old email still gets the occasional phishing attempt, but I’ve never had one on the actual email tied to the account since. (Also make sure the password to the new email is unique, not the same as other accounts of course.)

I can’t recommend the unique GW2 email idea strongly enough. It has ended any and all phishing attempts except to invalid email addresses that are clearly not legit.

I would have posted this sooner, but flood control seems to be limiting me to once every five minutes.

I played GW1 for seven plus years and I’m still here, so plus 1 to the greybeards!

Lord of Rings.5371:

VOLKON.1290:

I’m having a difficult time understand what you’re talking about to be honest.

Sorry about that.

I was reviewing my Guild Wars experience and justifying time spent in the game. Now, there is very little value for the 4155 hours, equivalent to 173 days or about half a year of my life, spent in GW1. So I was looking into whether I should invest more time in GW2?

Bah, you don’t need the forums to decide that for you. It’s really very simple. Are you having fun when you play? Don’t sweat the metas, don’t let things like ascended gear force you down a path you don’t want to go, just go do something you enjoy. If you find ways to have fun then yes, it’s worth investing more time into. If not, then it doesn’t really make sense to play a game you’re not having fun playing. Just keep in mind there are many different ways to play the game, so at least consider options you may not have at first (WvW as an example) instead of quitting without trying all there is to offer. (For WvW and a whole new experience, hook on with a WvW centric guild and run with them. The difference is night and day compared to “pugging” along.)

No one here can decide if you’re having fun but you. In that light, all our opinions are really worth a whole lot of not much.

Lord of Rings.5371:

Yes.

This game has little appreciation of the time players invested in the game. It keeps on demolishing players’ accomplishments and forcing them to lower levels, just like levels scaling down at a lower level zone. This type of nerfing appeared in all aspects of the game in zone scaling, dungeons, pvps, skills, and gears. And the biggest nerf is how little value GW2 gives to the time invested by players in GW1. This leaves a sense of deception when new items are introduced and the suspicion that obsolescence is already being planned as new items being released.

I’m having a difficult time understand what you’re talking about to be honest. Demolishing accomplishments? I guess you’re talking about the revamped Fractals, but considering people are already back to level 50 that idea falls flat… you think leveling down is bad? I think it’s one of the more brilliant concepts I’ve seen in quite awhile. In games that don’t down-level you you’re basically closing the door to the content of any zone once you out-level it. The challenge is completely gone when you can one-shot those zone bosses that gave you a real challenge at level. So why go back to an archaic system that kills content behind you to give the illusion of power? Ridiculous, just creates dead content over time. Your talk of obsolescence is also highly off mark. Ascended gear has not, nor will it, made exotics obsolete. The game is tuned for exotics at high levels. Even in WvW the minor advantages you’d get from ascended are easily countered with a single well timed dodge or other show of timing and/or skill.

I think I’ve more than enough hours in this game to decide personally that my time invested is definitely rewarding and well spent. As to whether or not ANet appreciates it, well, I’m not going to put words in their mouths, but it feels like it and that’s good enough for me.

I love that photo of Scarlett to be honest… reminds me of a female hybrid of The Joker and Jim Carrey’s character in The Mask.

Yargesh.4965:

rotheche.2964:

“Better than moon boots!”

This is what I hear too. What are the norn actually saying?

EDIT: I don’t see how anything could be better than moon boots though.

Better than moot loot.

I suddenly can only post once every five minutes, is this a bug or something new added to the forums? It’s possible that this is tied to a 3 day ban I was granted for posting a haiku that was slightly off-color, but I served the time and find this a bit excessive if it’s related… can I get some insight on this please?

Thanks!

Junkpile.7439:

Probably need to buy some gold. First game ever where i actually consider buying gold.

Depends on how patient you are. If you’re not in a hurry to have it now, take your time. You won’t be penalized for it.

Nice, I’ve been looking forwards to this. Best part is that I don’t even have to rush to get it, I can take my time and keep playing how I wish while I do so… only with more crafting.

Last night, saw:

Mending with Echo

(You need to be an old GW1 player to get it…)

There are three things.

1. What people think they want.
2. What people actually want.
3. What people actually need.

It is extremely rare that all three of these are the same thing.

The only problem with this thread is that no one knows what they’re talking about. It’s perfectly clear from Day 1 they were talking about games with the endless grind gear treadmill. You remember that, don’t you? Spend months grinding the same old raid over and over to max out your gear only for a new raid to come along and make you start all over again? Basically you were forced to endlessly grind to stay caught up with everyone else.

Newsflash: That doesn’t exist in GW2. The mandatory grind is not here! Yes, there are things that take a lot of voluntary grinding and time investment, but there’s pretty much nothing that will keep you from being able to progress in the game if you choose not to do it.

People are using the wrong definition of grind. You’re using the definition “anything that takes a long time”, and using it incorrectly. The proper definition, the one that has been eliminated, is as mentioned above, the endless treadmill of grind that continually wipes out your progression as higher tiers of items are introduced in the game forcing you to effectively start the grind cycle all over again.

(Disclaimer: That’s a very general “noone” and not meant in a personal sense to anyone in particular, except for those that it does apply to.)

Serious punch in the face? You should have dodge-rolled.

Manasa Devi.7958:

Awarding a title now would be unfair to all the people who didn’t push on beyond the point where pushing on was pointless.

Nonsense. They did what they did, earned what they earned, let ‘em have a title. The more challenging content is coming and a title won’t carry anyone through it. Odds are their skills will do them fine, but time will tell.

Actually it’s second place that gets the gold and gems. First place gets a title and a t-shirt.

Kal Spiro.9745:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Just wanted to let y’all know that I’m done responding. I’ve said my piece. I stand by titles and humorous town clothes are the solution to this mess.

I see this thread closing soon. Just wanted to wish you all luck in your endeavors, and that the animosity and toxicity of this thread is let go after a while. Our community has literally been fractured, and I just hope we can fix it.

Peace and love to y’all,

Jaya

It’s no more fractured than every other debate on the forums, and will be completely forgotten within a week of the Fractured release.

The ultimate truth has been revealed.

Romo.3709:

VOLKON.1290:

Accessibility. What good is the content if no one can get to it except for a vast minority of people? At level 30 most people have a reasonable shot to see the instabilities with a moderate bit of effort. Putting it at 50 shuts out the vast majority of players and would discourage many from even trying.

So does that make it right to take it away from us? Just so majority will be ok with it? It’s like saying that they’ll take away legendaries from minority, so majority can catch up to their accomplishments. Or resetting everyone’s achievement score and taking their right to rewards they unlocked, so everyone can “start at equal footing”. We worked hard to get to that level 50 while others were farming gold and getting rewarded for doing dungeons and such. Doesn’t matter how you look at it, it doesn’t make it right.

It does, and I’ll tell you why.

They’re taking away two things. The fractals post-30 under the old system and your access to higher levels of content that no longer exist. That’s all it penultimately boils down to… changing content and accessibility to the new content. Levels are being reset to 30 because no one has done this content beyond level 30, therefore no one has earned any levels beyond 30 in this new content.

That’s why it makes sense and why it’s right. Old content gone. Access to old content gone. Access to new content begins where the new content begins.

Kal Spiro.9745:

Yeah, it was super tough and people weren’t intended to get through it. 51 – 80, people weren’t intended to get through it, but they did.

More importantly, what happens if the new content is significantly more difficult to complete than it ever was before because of the new mechanic.

Should people be recognized for completing inferior content?

Interesting question. Would you care, really, if someone got a title for completing inferior and now defunct content? For that matter… would they even wear the title? Does it really affect your game if someone else is sporting a Fractal based title in any way?

Romo.3709:

PopeUrban.2578:

Allowing you to skip several levels of instabilities? No. That’s just plain wrong.

Then why put some random system in the middle of something people passed months ago?? Put in on 50 where the mythical cap was made and extend the cap. What’s so hard about that? Why go back? Why take everyone’s progress and wipe it clean. This is not 1500’s. We live in time where progression is encouraged. Why go back?

You make it sound like it’s fair because instabilities or whatever they call it was put in. Then why didn’t they put it on higher levels? The levels almost every respectable fractal player waited to be unlocked. You can’t use instabilities as an argument and call them a reason. From what I remember we never asked for them, so they’re being forced upon us, just like the level reset. Your argument is not a valid one.

Accessibility. What good is the content if no one can get to it except for a vast minority of people? At level 30 most people have a reasonable shot to see the instabilities with a moderate bit of effort. Putting it at 50 shuts out the vast majority of players and would discourage many from even trying.

Kal Spiro.9745:

VOLKON.1290:

Fungalfoot.7213:

VOLKON.1290:

Two questions for you.

1. How does a title and a t-shirt give them an advantage over anyone else?

2. What the heck is a “squish”?

It sends the message that their pain is somehow greater than the pain of the many people who have gotten screwed by previous nerfs. It offers them special snowflake status and that’s the wrong move to make here.

http://wow.joystiq.com/tag/Item-Squish/

There’s a difference between nerfing areas that were being abused (for want of a better word) and recognizing the achievements people made in content that is being removed.

SAB World 2. It’s the same situation. People achieved getting through. Then they changed the content making it easier for others to get through, but those who got through while it was very hard got nothing to show for their accomplishment.

Same situation. No recognition.

No, not the same. SAB world 2 was bugged. The difficulty was higher than they intended. While a select few made it through before the fix, it was never intended to be that tough.

Fractals to 50 was meant to be tough from the outset. A few excelled, as expected, while many didn’t make it that far, also as expected. This is a situation where 31 – 50 is being replaced, so why not recognize the few that excelled under intentionally tough circumstances? I won’t get a title, but I won’t lose anything either because I hadn’t earned it so it doesn’t bother me in the least.

Fungalfoot.7213:

VOLKON.1290:

Two questions for you.

1. How does a title and a t-shirt give them an advantage over anyone else?

2. What the heck is a “squish”?

It sends the message that their pain is somehow greater than the pain of the many people who have gotten screwed by previous nerfs. It offers them special snowflake status and that’s the wrong move to make here.

http://wow.joystiq.com/tag/Item-Squish/

There’s a difference between nerfing areas that were being abused (for want of a better word) and recognizing the achievements people made in content that is being removed.

Kal Spiro.9745:

Two questions for you.

1. How does a title and a t-shirt give them an advantage over anyone else?

1) The fractal people would have a unique advantage over the bag people and the SAB people in being compensated where they weren’t. Getting compensated even with a title is an advantage over someone in a similar situation but entirely different circumstance that didn’t.

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So… you actually think a title is an advantage? I’m sorry Kal, but I suspect this line of thinking sets you far off into the fringe. I don’t think you’ll have any great success convincing the majority that a floaty label thingie or a statless shirt that can only be worn out of combat somehow unfairly advantages or disadvantages anyone. I don’t understand this drive to keep others from having something for themselves when the energy could be more productively used to raise yourself up to the point you can acquire what you want.

Kal Spiro.9745:

VOLKON.1290:

I don’t think we can fairly say that they have no intention of doing it now, regardless if that crossed their minds initially. I mean, look… both sides have (at least it appears so) come together with an agreement about what would be considered a nice, reasonable solution for the discontent. Come on, that’s a huge step. The first thread or four we made the U.S. House of Representatives look like Hello Kitty Island for Pete’s sake. It’s possible that right now a couple of folks in Seattle are designing the very first items in the =V= line of personal clothing!

Just as Fungal says, yes, I think we can say they have no intention.

Well, OK, yes, you got me there, we can say it. However we have no idea as to whether or not that’s true.

Fungalfoot.7213:

VOLKON.1290:

I think the word “compensated” is the wrong word. “Recognized” fits much better. Let them have a well earned title, an article of clothing, a hat maybe… who knows. I can’t see any reason whatsoever to deny at least some form of permanent recognition.

And what of the people who had their bags nerfed and lost hundreds of gold because of it? What of the people who redeemed skins before they were made tradeable and got stuck with non tradeable versions? What of the people who did SAB tribulation mode before they made it way easier? These players got nothing. Why should fractal players enjoy a unique advantage over all of them when they don’t even lose anything tangible?

This isn’t the first time something is changed and it won’t be the last. That’s just the nature of an MMO. You don’t see World of WarCraft players complaining about the squish happening with the new expansion. In fact, most of them are celebrating it. Instead of obsessing over losing an irrelevant number why not be happy that fractals are finally going to get fixed?

Two questions for you.

1. How does a title and a t-shirt give them an advantage over anyone else?

2. What the heck is a “squish”?

Kal Spiro.9745:

VOLKON.1290:

I think the word “compensated” is the wrong word. “Recognized” fits much better. Let them have a well earned title, an article of clothing, a hat maybe… who knows. I can’t see any reason whatsoever to deny at least some form of permanent recognition.

I honestly don’t have a problem with that. If ANet wanted to recognize it, then fine. The problem is that it seems pretty clear, based on everything that is going down, how they’re dealing with it, and the simple fact that they’re not bringing it up that they have no intention of doing that.

The problem I have is with the people that are acting like they deserve this and that ANet is obligated to do it for them. That I have a problem with, because it’s simply not true.

I don’t think we can fairly say that they have no intention of doing it now, regardless if that crossed their minds initially. I mean, look… both sides have (at least it appears so) come together with an agreement about what would be considered a nice, reasonable solution for the discontent. Come on, that’s a huge step. The first thread or four we made the U.S. House of Representatives look like Hello Kitty Island for Pete’s sake. It’s possible that right now a couple of folks in Seattle are designing the very first items in the =V= line of personal clothing!

If ascended gear were reversed…

People would have a hard time explaining why they were holding their swords by the pointy end.

Then imagine how awkward it would get when pants were released…

Kal Spiro.9745:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Fungalfoot.7213:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

This thread is not about the validity of personal reward level. It is about the reset. Keep it on topic, fungal.

I’d ask you to do the same considering you’re on here clamoring for titles and town clothes.

You got plenty of rewards out of doing high level fractals already. Why exactly do you think you deserve more?

We are discussing what we think we can reasonable ask for in compensation for our lost levels. Also, I wouldn’t get any of the rewards. So, I’m trying to show compassion for my fellow fractal player.

Why exactly are you so against showing compassion and understand toward those people who are losing something they will miss?

Nothing. There is nothing that you can ask for that is reasonable because it is not reasonable to ask for compensation for something like Fractal Level. It has nothing to do with compassion or understanding.

You are being reduced from your current difficulty level to the first level before all the other difficulty levels change to entirely new mechanics. So effectively you are in a level that will no longer exist, so you’re being moved to the first one that you’ve successfully completed that will still exist.

You don’t deserve to be compensated for that.

I think the word “compensated” is the wrong word. “Recognized” fits much better. Let them have a well earned title, an article of clothing, a hat maybe… who knows. I can’t see any reason whatsoever to deny at least some form of permanent recognition.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

VOLKON.1290:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Fungalfoot.7213:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

This thread is not about the validity of personal reward level. It is about the reset. Keep it on topic, fungal.

I’d ask you to do the same considering you’re on here clamoring for titles and town clothes.

You got plenty of rewards out of doing high level fractals already. Why exactly do you think you deserve more?

We are discussing what we think we can reasonable ask for in compensation for our lost levels. Also, I wouldn’t get any of the rewards. So, I’m trying to show compassion for my fellow fractal player.

Why exactly are you so against showing compassion and understand toward those people who are losing something they will miss?

And as someone who admittedly will lose no levels I also think that some little exclusive badges of honor (title, t-shirt, whatever) would be a really nice gesture from ANet for those well-leveled fractal folks while they go on with the new (and from the sound of it very promising) system.

Yay VOLKON! I like seeing a little agreement here.

In all honesty, I’ve been on board with this from the beginning. I don’t mind at all giving these folks something I’ll never obtain because, to be fair, I didn’t earn it. The only real issues I have are with either pushing the new content so far out that most people won’t even bother trying to get to it or giving old style players a free pass past the new content – i.e. progress they hadn’t earned themselves against the new challenges.

I still like (at least the option of) the “and all I got was this lousy t-shirt” idea (maybe as a choice between two shirts?).

What’s funny is that people are thinking about the wrong definition of grind. They’re not saying new gear that will take a lot of effort to get. They’re talking about the endless treadmill of raiding endlessly for a tier of gear only to have that tossed as new tiers come in ad nauseum.

Two definitions of grind. They’re living up to the promise based on the definition that relates to the endless cycle of gearing and re-gearing quite well. Yes, it’ll take some time to get the ascended items. But you’ll never have to worry about throwing it away when hyper-ascended is released in three months (or something equally silly).

The tier grind is non-existent here, which is what they promised and as it should be. They never said no time-sinks though. Time-sinks are necessary for the health of the game. If you did it all in a week you’d be bored and wander off in a hurry.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Fungalfoot.7213:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

This thread is not about the validity of personal reward level. It is about the reset. Keep it on topic, fungal.

I’d ask you to do the same considering you’re on here clamoring for titles and town clothes.

You got plenty of rewards out of doing high level fractals already. Why exactly do you think you deserve more?

We are discussing what we think we can reasonable ask for in compensation for our lost levels. Also, I wouldn’t get any of the rewards. So, I’m trying to show compassion for my fellow fractal player.

Why exactly are you so against showing compassion and understand toward those people who are losing something they will miss?

And as someone who admittedly will lose no levels I also think that some little exclusive badges of honor (title, t-shirt, whatever) would be a really nice gesture from ANet for those well-leveled fractal folks while they go on with the new (and from the sound of it very promising) system.

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

VOLKON.1290:

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

they could go a simple way as they did when they offended the pvp community with the QP affaire… just give titles now you may ask how would they give it fair: I’d say everyone is ok if they get titles for every new 10 lvls they achieved so for 40, 50, 60, 70,80 .. Now ppl may come and say it’s not alt friendly … easy solution make the titles Souldbound… only My ele can use the lvl 80 fractal legend nobody else… if they have multiple chars they can use it only on the char they aquired the old Level… it would be so easy… I’m not a designer and can come up with this idea in few seconds.

So you think you should be entitled to skip the challenging content of Fractals 2.0 because you did well in Fractals 1.0?

I wouldn’t skip any Levels I would get my titles and that’s it? did you even read the post this time? I want compensation for my old fractal since they will steal it

They’re not stealing anything, just changing the content. But I’m fully on board with giving titles for what people accomplished in the old system.

Korossive.7085:

Wow this thread just exploded.

When will you realize no decision maker reads anything here. Another hollow post by the forum rep is the max you’ll get.

I support you, but you’ll lose. Company decision.

Nah, they read it. They also have to take into consideration the big picture, what’s best for the game as a whole as opposed to the vocal minority that often is the loudest in the forums. Often if you feel you’re directly affected in a negative way, be it real or imagined, it can be easy to lose sight of the big picture.

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

they could go a simple way as they did when they offended the pvp community with the QP affaire… just give titles now you may ask how would they give it fair: I’d say everyone is ok if they get titles for every new 10 lvls they achieved so for 40, 50, 60, 70,80 .. Now ppl may come and say it’s not alt friendly … easy solution make the titles Souldbound… only My ele can use the lvl 80 fractal legend nobody else… if they have multiple chars they can use it only on the char they aquired the old Level… it would be so easy… I’m not a designer and can come up with this idea in few seconds.

So you think you should be entitled to skip the challenging content of Fractals 2.0 because you did well in Fractals 1.0?

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Moshari.8570:

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

Already told the maybe best and simplest solution is unique titles that are soulbound.

Easy to implement and everyone gets a title for each 10 levls completed so ( 40 , 50 , 60,70,80) a remark here you should have all titles if you are at 80 or so so you can choose because sometimes some titles are cooler than others.

I think most of us would be ok if it’s a unique 1 time reward titel as with the QP in pvp

As those Titles are souldbound even the ones that leveld multiple chars pretty high will get somthing on each charcater..

So that ppl that have multiples on 0-30 don’t suffer you can even start adding titles from 10-30.

That’s something…I still feel a title is not enough, but I think this could be something still implemented fairly easily in the time allotted.

ANET is big on not giving people certain advantages, which is why I think unique skins and titles go a long way…no advantages, but still gives credit to accomplishments done.

Totally agree. I think titles plus maybe. Town clothes shirt would be cool, or a hat.

I’d agree with this fully as well. Recognize the fact that some folks excelled in old content with a unique title, shirt, hat, whatever… that’s a great idea. I won’t get one, and I’m fine with that. That, and the reset to thirty, which makes the content accessible for anyone that chooses to put in the moderate effort required to reach level 30 fractals. Setting the instabilities to first start at 50 (or 81, lol) winds up having the effect of excluding far too many people from ever seeing the content and would discourage many from even trying. New challenges, new baseline that’s accessible, now show us what you got.

Official trailer

JMar.3254:

We are losing sight of the main focus here though.

Levels are being reset due to the leaderboards (according to the company that is in charge of the content and changes). That doesn’t seem right.

It would be nice if there was some clarity given on that. I can’t help but feel that logically it makes sense to have the accessibility be there for the new content as well as make sure everyone needs to actually progress through the new content to increasing difficulties regardless of the leader boards / JumboTron.

Hmm… instead of a leader board we need a JumboTron!

Can we get the Asura on that please?

JMar.3254:

VOLKON.1290:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Geeeez guy. I don’t think they should be just given the levels, no. But why do we have to participate in a leaderboard that we don’t want to? Not to mention, I have privacy concerns about it… Like, will those at the top be inundated with people begging to have help in fractals? How will the leaderboard work in that situation?

Anyway… If we don’t have to use leaderboard, why lose our levels? Or just make it so, they still have to complete levels 30-50, but it still says that their prl is the same and they still get that karma and such for going below their level?

Idk. Maybe I’m just a psycho.

Nah, those are actually great and valid questions. With regards to developing a fractal paparazzi I don’t know… that’ll likely depend on how the player him/herself reacts to the requests. But as far as competing, you don’t have to. You can ignore it, just don’t look or care. But the reason, logically as I see it, to have the levels set to 30 (disregarding the jumbotron) is this… you haven’t worked your way up the difficulty scale to get to the higher levels yet. We don’t, as of yet, know how much of an impact these instabilities will have. So it may be worth it to take a breath and enjoy a new path of progression that you’ll have rather than the same old same old daily every day.

Agreed. And will this cause a new form of elitism?

“LF1M. Heavy armor only, 55 AR. Be rank 1000 or better”

Ha! Who knows, it may very well among some. But really, that can’t be avoided in any game. Fortunately GW2 is one where for the most part you can ignore the elitist types and progress right along with others if you wish.

JMar.3254:

VOLKON.1290:

Those at 80 put in the work to get to 80 in the old system. They have yet to do a thing in the new.

So that means that the work, time, and effort put into the old system should be devalued and removed with no compensation?

That’s only possible solution? Is to completely remove the old content and wipe progress?

Hey, I’ve never been against some form of compensation for those old Fractal greybeards. Never. It shouldn’t be extreme, yet it should be unique, something only they will ever get.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Geeeez guy. I don’t think they should be just given the levels, no. But why do we have to participate in a leaderboard that we don’t want to? Not to mention, I have privacy concerns about it… Like, will those at the top be inundated with people begging to have help in fractals? How will the leaderboard work in that situation?

Anyway… If we don’t have to use leaderboard, why lose our levels? Or just make it so, they still have to complete levels 30-50, but it still says that their prl is the same and they still get that karma and such for going below their level?

Idk. Maybe I’m just a psycho.

Nah, those are actually great and valid questions. With regards to developing a fractal paparazzi I don’t know… that’ll likely depend on how the player him/herself reacts to the requests. But as far as competing, you don’t have to. You can ignore it, just don’t look or care. But the reason, logically as I see it, to have the levels set to 30 (disregarding the jumbotron) is this… you haven’t worked your way up the difficulty scale to get to the higher levels yet. We don’t, as of yet, know how much of an impact these instabilities will have. So it may be worth it to take a breath and enjoy a new path of progression that you’ll have rather than the same old same old daily every day.

SkyChef.5432:

You guys went to school? You invested your time to get certain degree? New curriculum introduced and they told you your degree no longer valid?
That’s the type of equity wiped make people upset. Real life & in game.
If you don’t understand this principle, I don’t have anything more to say.

I started my programming career in Natural/ADABAS, so that’s a pain I feel. As a result to changing times I’ve had to add new languages, etc. to my brain. Change with the times or be left behind.

JMar.3254:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Advanced fractal runners should actually be 48+, because they actually had to dodge agony whereas y’all had plenty of AR to tank (lol). So really, it dumbs down all of the advanced fractal runners to be on equal footing with the casual fractal runners, which, yes, will be ahead of those players who barely set foot in fractals. So they’re clumping the top players in with the casual/semihardcore players. That’s not… Well.. It’s not quite right.

Not to mention that after the update, there will be no difference from players lvl 30, 40, 50, up to 80. Even though those at 80 put in incredibly more work than those at 30.

Those at 80 put in the work to get to 80 in the old system. They have yet to do a thing in the new.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Advanced fractal runners should actually be 48+, because they actually had to dodge agony whereas y’all had plenty of AR to tank (lol). So really, it dumbs down all of the advanced fractal runners to be on equal footing with the casual fractal runners, which, yes, will be ahead of those players who barely set foot in fractals. So they’re clumping the top players in with the casual/semihardcore players. That’s not… Well.. It’s not quite right.

And yet these “top players”, these “advanced fractal runners”, have done none of the content with the new challenges yet to set them apart from anyone else. Should they be able to fly through it up the leader boards? I’d like to think they can, unless of course they’ve become so stagnant in an unchanging old system that new changes stall them out for awhile. Time will tell on that one… will they be all forum talk or will they back it up in game. (I, to be honest, expect a little of both.)

khani.4786:

My fractal level is being pushed back to 30. Yes that originally bothered me. Then I saw that fractal level is account bound. Ok. That makes leveling alts SO much easier for me.

My compensation for losing levels on my main is gaining 30 levels on 9 other characters that I hadn’t gotten to starting on fractals yet.

Very excited for the reward changes and the fact that the skins will be real SKINS.

Want to know if the recipe to infuse an item will stay the same because to infuse now means to get infusion slot AND +5AR, but infuse after patch you get an empty infusion slot…same cost with no additional AR.

Can’t wait to see what the new challenges will be with levels 30+….maybe for level 50 you can’t use heals and have no endurance. Wouldn’t that be interesting!

Actually, after the patch you get a new infusion slot with a +5 AR infusion in it, and you can upgrade that +5 if you wish by adding stronger ones. You’re going from a static +5 stat to a slot you can upgrade.

JMar.3254:

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

on top of that logic seems to be really hard they tell us to remove our Levels for fair leaderboards… but why are leaderbaords fair where some start at 30 over 50% completed and others start at 0 ? I really don’t get the reasoning behind.. I would have understood ( NOT AGREED) a fullreset to 0 way more.

only explonation is they saw 20% are over 30 sooo let’s just set em up and not screw up the 80% around 0-30… there is no other way I get this otherwise…:)

Agreed. They pick the level that would allow the most people to try it while upsetting the least. Just another instance where they cater to the casual players.

Aside from the implied insult in the use of the word ‘casual’, you’re correct. They chose accessibility as a major factor in setting the entry level to the new content.

In all honesty, had they for example chosen fractal level 50 as the entry point how many people do you think would bother having a go (or another go) at Fractals? Thirty is well within reach of the majority. Fifty is not. This is, quite simply, a smart decision for the game as a whole.

Romo.3709:

JMar.3254:

Romo.3709:

Majority

Let’s face it. Majority’s happiness over minority. We lost the debate the second it started. The second Anet would see point on our side they’ll receive a backlash of complains about “giving in” and “ignoring” majority of players that are now “hyped up” to play fractals in an upcoming update.

That’s not okay. It’s okay to design content that caters to the majority, but it’s not okay to punish the minority in order to do.

That minority will still be player fractals (the new content) if they keep playing. The majority they are catering to will stop playing within a month.

No, it is not ok. Whatever they’re throwing at us at the moment doesn’t make it ok. But there’s nothing we can really do about it. I myself have 3 toons in level 49 and I recently started leveling my 4th… The time was wasted and could have been used towards making actual gold, rather than making progress that is now technically being stripped off off us. The fact is that the content will start this Tuesday and nothing major will be done to it, if anything will be done to it at all.

As someone who was leveling a fourth character for Fractals, what do you think about the fractal levels becoming account bound?