Guild Wars 2

Nuka Cola.8520:

Vayne.8563:

Nuka Cola.8520:

kokiman.2364:

Stop misusing the word “lag” please.

Okay lets bring the devs excuse~~~ “server limitations” and “engine limitations”

You once told me you complain about the game to make the game better. I guess this falls under the guise of constructive criticism.

no, it falls under using old engine and old crappy servers category.

Well, the engine is the engine. Presumably it’s not going to be upgraded, because that would involve pretty much rewriting the old game. So your comments don’t actually help the game to be better..which is what you claim to be trying to do, while deriding me for the support I show.

I don’t think that the way you’re going about things will help improve the game. Maybe it’s me.

Leo Paul.1659:

Vayne.8563:

Leo Paul.1659:

Personally I find it weird that races other than humans are getting a mini queen jennah as a birthday gift. Wouldn’t it be more appropriate if they get a mini related to their races? Like a mini trahearne for sylvaris. I’m sure they would love that! :O

Also I would’ve liked a cool toy better than another mini, like the balloon/kite/musical instrument/rose bouquet or whatever. Or a toy caladbolg that i can use in costume brawls.

It’s tied in with the current lore. My guess is the birthday gift isn’t coming from Anet but from Queen Jennah herself, to celebrate her ten years ruling. And since all the races have representatives there, it’s not really lore breaking to me.

I don’t really mind getting a queen jennah, i like her dress a lot. About Jennah giving out the gifts I kinda equate that to a celebrity handing out autographed pictures of themselves expecting the recipients to like them, which I find a bit egotistic. I’m not questioning its relation to the lore though, I was actually just joking about the whole thing. It does make sense the way you explained it though.

I just would’ve liked it better if other races get something more appropriate for them since jennah isn’t exactly everyone’s queen. A mini pale tree perhaps would be nice, but trahearne is just so much more controversial hahahaha. Asura can get a mini golem (which we don’t have enough of /sarcasm), charrs a mini rox, and norns, one of their elite spirit form skills.. Just ideas that I wanted to throw.

I’d love to see a mini Tranhearne that every now and then says aloud “This won’t end well.” What a great way for Anet to troll us. lol

IndigoSundown.5419:

Vayne.8563:

There’s usually one group that is in one place and if you don’t find that group, Orr is pretty barren. But if you do find that group, there’s like 50 people in it. They have it down to a science. They know just where and when champs spawn.

I ran into a zerg today and followed them. They stopped at a place. Someone put down some guild banners, and within 30 seconds of standing there, a champion giant spawned. 15-20 seconds later, the champion giant was dead and I had a chest.

Before that I was running around Orr and it didn’t look very populated to me.

The next guy they ran to from there was all the way under water, a champion giant sea scorpion. Then they used a waypoint and I lost the zerg.

Just because no one is doing a temple event, doesn’t mean Orr is dead. Google how to farm champions in Orr on Youtube, watch the pattern and follow it…then you can see if it’s really dead on your server, or if you’re just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I know where the champions are in Orr. I went by most of them, sometimes more than once. I even stayed by some of them for a fairly lengthy period of time. The only one that wasn’t up was the Broodmother in CS — and I’ve seen that one not up plenty of times, whereas others, like the one on Noose Road, were always up. I was in CS almost 1.5 hours.

Since you’ve seen one of these zergs, did they not use map chat at all? Because no one was the whole time I was there.

Yep, they do indeed talk in map chat on TC. And again, I know where all the champions are, but it’s still very easy to miss the zerg if they’re using waypoints.

And they don’t do every champion.

As I said, I was in Orr for 45 minutes and thought it was dead until I happened upon the zerg.

Edit: Also this is just Cursed Shore. No idea if anyone is running Malchor’s Leap or not since I never went there.

Leo Paul.1659:

Personally I find it weird that races other than humans are getting a mini queen jennah as a birthday gift. Wouldn’t it be more appropriate if they get a mini related to their races? Like a mini trahearne for sylvaris. I’m sure they would love that! :O

Also I would’ve liked a cool toy better than another mini, like the balloon/kite/musical instrument/rose bouquet or whatever. Or a toy caladbolg that i can use in costume brawls.

It’s tied in with the current lore. My guess is the birthday gift isn’t coming from Anet but from Queen Jennah herself, to celebrate her ten years ruling. And since all the races have representatives there, it’s not really lore breaking to me.

Dommmmmmmmmm.6984:

Vayne.8563:

There’s one guy in LA who is a mesmer on my server, who waits by banners, so he can throw a portal under someone just as they try to click the banner, so they get teleported halfway across the map. It’s silly and childish.

I’ve learned to go up to the banner, wait for him to cast his teleport…stand there and wait for it to fade, then click the banner.

That doesn’t make all mesmers bad guys.

brb logging on mes

It’s relatively harmless in the scheme of things…but if that’s what floats your boat…shrugs.

Edit: I assume you’re joking anyway. lol

There’s usually one group that is in one place and if you don’t find that group, Orr is pretty barren. But if you do find that group, there’s like 50 people in it. They have it down to a science. They know just where and when champs spawn.

I ran into a zerg today and followed them. They stopped at a place. Someone put down some guild banners, and within 30 seconds of standing there, a champion giant spawned. 15-20 seconds later, the champion giant was dead and I had a chest.

Before that I was running around Orr and it didn’t look very populated to me.

The next guy they ran to from there was all the way under water, a champion giant sea scorpion. Then they used a waypoint and I lost the zerg.

Just because no one is doing a temple event, doesn’t mean Orr is dead. Google how to farm champions in Orr on Youtube, watch the pattern and follow it…then you can see if it’s really dead on your server, or if you’re just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Though you’ll probably end up getting trolled for expressing this…I’m glad you posted it.

Raine.1394:

Vayne.8563:

Raine.1394:

I never fail to be amazed at the misunderstandings around farming. Farming, in an MMO/RPG is simply playing the game purposefully, i.e., with an objective in mind. I am farming mats in order to craft a set of gear, or farming karma in order to get a temple set for a fresh 80. These are all natural activities, not something foreign that someone brings to an MMO. And, farming is not a problem that needs to be wrestled with. Some people love it and farming is non-differentiated from their normal gameplay. Some people hate to farm and they tend to buy mats if they want to craft. But, the currency they would use to buy the mats was obtained by some farming-like activity, i.e., play with an objective in mind.

Playing purposefully or with an objective is not work. We often play sports in a way to play well and to improve our performance—it’s not work, it’s play. The same with games. Objectives, whether a legendary, or a hard to get skin, are a good and normal thing in gaming anywhere close to the MMO genre. No problem here really to address.

I agree with you.

But there’s a difference between casual farming and hard core farming. It’s one thing to go out doing one event looking for specific drops that you need or want to sell. It’s another to insist that everyone be involved in how you’re farming. No one has a right to tell anyone else how to play, much less curse at them for messing up their farm.

A couple of months back, I was in Malchor’s Leap, and I needed a couple of events for my daily. So I did the event with the giant risen chickens.

And some guy whispers me and says: “Good going, moron. Hope you’re happy with your 1 silver for doing the event. I was farming chickens.”

I said to him. “Oh, sorry, I didn’t know. You should have said something.”

He never replied.

Farmers aren’t a problem. Idiots are a problem.

And, I have to agree with you. Organized “farming” a la what you mentioned, or failing events generally, or running an area in a particular champ order are a blight on gaming and give farming a bad name. I like your distinction; let’s agree to call them idiots and not farmers.

Well that’s the the thing. There are “idiots” in every aspect of game play. People call speed runners elitists but not all elistists are idiots. It’s probably only a small but very visible percentage of speed runners. Same with farmers.

We have a guy in our guild who farms constantly…and he’s a really really nice guy. Wouldn’t say boo to anyone.

The problem is, idiots are visiable, whatever they’re doing, and they give a bad name to everyone else doing it…pvp, farming, running dungeons, griefing the open world, whatever.

There’s one guy in LA who is a mesmer on my server, who waits by banners, so he can throw a portal under someone just as they try to click the banner, so they get teleported halfway across the map. It’s silly and childish.

I’ve learned to go up to the banner, wait for him to cast his teleport…stand there and wait for it to fade, then click the banner.

That doesn’t make all mesmers bad guys.

Nuka Cola.8520:

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

Nuka Cola.8520:

You said “before gw1”. Can’t compare games released in late 90’s or very early 2000 when it comes to gameplay/reward and whatnot.

Why not? I just did. And I’ll do it again.

“EverQuest was much bigger than GW2, had a whole lot more to do, and still wasn’t as good.”

Because its a completely different mindset. Gaming industry evolve (or downgrade from your yearly CoD spam) with time because they know what people are looking for and what people are looking for changes with time.

Actually, this is completely true and I agree with you 100%.

People are looking for something different than they were looking for five years ago. The problem is, you associate what you specifically are looking for with what “people” are looking for.

Just to guess, I’d think your IQ is far higher than the average, and that you’re far more competitive than the average person, making what you’re looking for different than the majority (which by definition is average).

Nuka Cola.8520:

kokiman.2364:

Stop misusing the word “lag” please.

Okay lets bring the devs excuse~~~ “server limitations” and “engine limitations”

You once told me you complain about the game to make the game better. I guess this falls under the guise of constructive criticism.

Raine.1394:

I never fail to be amazed at the misunderstandings around farming. Farming, in an MMO/RPG is simply playing the game purposefully, i.e., with an objective in mind. I am farming mats in order to craft a set of gear, or farming karma in order to get a temple set for a fresh 80. These are all natural activities, not something foreign that someone brings to an MMO. And, farming is not a problem that needs to be wrestled with. Some people love it and farming is non-differentiated from their normal gameplay. Some people hate to farm and they tend to buy mats if they want to craft. But, the currency they would use to buy the mats was obtained by some farming-like activity, i.e., play with an objective in mind.

Playing purposefully or with an objective is not work. We often play sports in a way to play well and to improve our performance—it’s not work, it’s play. The same with games. Objectives, whether a legendary, or a hard to get skin, are a good and normal thing in gaming anywhere close to the MMO genre. No problem here really to address.

I agree with you.

But there’s a difference between casual farming and hard core farming. It’s one thing to go out doing one event looking for specific drops that you need or want to sell. It’s another to insist that everyone be involved in how you’re farming. No one has a right to tell anyone else how to play, much less curse at them for messing up their farm.

A couple of months back, I was in Malchor’s Leap, and I needed a couple of events for my daily. So I did the event with the giant risen chickens.

And some guy whispers me and says: “Good going, moron. Hope you’re happy with your 1 silver for doing the event. I was farming chickens.”

I said to him. “Oh, sorry, I didn’t know. You should have said something.”

He never replied.

Farmers aren’t a problem. Idiots are a problem.

Nuka Cola.8520:

Vayne.8563:

zenleto.6179:

Nuka Cola.8520:

In a game where you kill other players and cursing isn’t allowed is a fat joke to me. Cursing and gaming goes in perfect harmony. Ban people that send death wishes, not because he used an F word in map chat, like wtf anet… its 2013, wake up. If you play competitively its close to impossible to not curse, so wtf are they expecting? How many thousands of players they’ve banned? For those kids that their parents oblige them cover their eyes/ears when something ‘mean’ is said/seen, why don’t use a filter? Even better question for you, why do you play an online game if this kind of stuff is offensive to you? Play your solo E rated games…

You never fail to disappoint.

I’m not disappointed. This is exactly what I expected. lol

and coming from you, your expectations should be high? lets be real here rofl

My expectations are reasonable. That’s why you don’t disappoint me. I know your posting patterns and you say pretty much what I’d expect you to say.

Nuka Cola.8520:

Vayne.8563:

Nuka Cola.8520:

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

Nuka Cola.8520:

Why do you even bring jungle Troll (a white mini) 8 years after the mini’s release (or whatever long ~~~ time its been out)? Of course it’ll be cheap and no one wants it but that wasn’t the case when the pet was first introduced. Almost all bday yellow and all green minis were worth over 100k when first added and with time they decrease in price ‘duh’. Even if you’re unlucky and got a a white mini, you can always make 40g+. What can you make from one generic Acc Bound mini that EVERYONE playing for 1y has? I know, i know!!! Store it in storage and forget it existed… Be hyped for dat scroll and a boosted because i certainly am, buying a cake/champagne and celebrating the ~~~~ out of this so wanted boosted and xp scroll!

Don’t care about the specifics of what mini cost what, I literally had a baker’s dozen of Jungle Trolls at one point and nobody to buy them. So what if the gold/green minis were heckuva valuable commodity? That’s because there were only so many and for most people they only got those for shelling out the cash or being lucky.

What I care about is pointing out the blindingly obvious:

The GW1 minis were just as useless on the first birthday, so arguing how the GW2 mini and other rewards are going to be pointless and stupid is . . . in fact, really just making stuff a bigger deal than it needs to be.

But then, I don’t really expect anything else. Even if the Birthday Present was 100 gold and a Precursor of your choice, people would be complaining. Heck, I’ll back it down several levels – if it was a free mini pack (the one you can buy off Black Lion) with the potential for any other mini in the game at higher rarities, one per character who was created last August? We’d still see lots of complaints.

But seriously, “these items are useless and I can’t do anything with them” makes me chuckle, since you couldn’t do anything with the ones in GW1 either aside from the Hall of Monuments and selling them to other people gullible enough to want them.

You could sell them. How isn’t this enough? If you started playing gw1 on day one and received a year 4 (just an example for years) mini the day it came, you could’ve made good amount of money by selling them all if you have multiple characters which all received one. Now from my understanding you’ll receive 8 same Acc Bound minis if you have 8 characters made the day gw2 came out… Doesn’t this sounds like a pathetic joke to you? I mean its so bad i don’t even want to bother talking about it. Its the worst bday present seen in mmo and hopefully wins an award for that

It doesn’t sound like a pathetic joke to me. You can’t sell them. Shrugs.

Everything is about loot and money and gold to some people. And I see that is the major problem faced by this entire genre. As long as that’s the focus, these games will be and remain meaningless.

In Guild Wars 1, your main way to get minis was birthday gifts. That was it. Here, there are tons of ways to get minis, including the gem shop. So if you have minis you could have been selling them for an entire year.

What would one more birthday gift even mean?

Sometimes I think people looking at a detail but forget everything surround the detail.

I’ve made quite a bit of money selling minis in this game.

Its not about money, its about having a choice of selling or keeping. Do you have choice with Acc Bound mini? YES YOU DO! Store it in your inventory or store it in your storage and forget it existed.

But again, the choice to sell or keep something that was special is one thing. Minis aren’t special in this game. Not in the same way they were in Guild Wars 1. You’re so stuck comparing this game to Guild Wars 1, you’re looking at details instead of the whole picture…and that’s okay.

But it doesn’t make what you say true. It’s just a point of view easily compensated for by looking at different details.

zenleto.6179:

Nuka Cola.8520:

In a game where you kill other players and cursing isn’t allowed is a fat joke to me. Cursing and gaming goes in perfect harmony. Ban people that send death wishes, not because he used an F word in map chat, like wtf anet… its 2013, wake up. If you play competitively its close to impossible to not curse, so wtf are they expecting? How many thousands of players they’ve banned? For those kids that their parents oblige them cover their eyes/ears when something ‘mean’ is said/seen, why don’t use a filter? Even better question for you, why do you play an online game if this kind of stuff is offensive to you? Play your solo E rated games…

You never fail to disappoint.

I’m not disappointed. This is exactly what I expected. lol

TheZeus.8617:

A little older? O i am sorry i am older than most people that play this game. I just speak my mind unlike the drones that play this game.

So cursing out loud publicly is completely okay to you, and anyone who doesn’t like it is a drone. lol

Gotcha.

Nuka Cola.8520:

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

Nuka Cola.8520:

Why do you even bring jungle Troll (a white mini) 8 years after the mini’s release (or whatever long ~~~ time its been out)? Of course it’ll be cheap and no one wants it but that wasn’t the case when the pet was first introduced. Almost all bday yellow and all green minis were worth over 100k when first added and with time they decrease in price ‘duh’. Even if you’re unlucky and got a a white mini, you can always make 40g+. What can you make from one generic Acc Bound mini that EVERYONE playing for 1y has? I know, i know!!! Store it in storage and forget it existed… Be hyped for dat scroll and a boosted because i certainly am, buying a cake/champagne and celebrating the ~~~~ out of this so wanted boosted and xp scroll!

Don’t care about the specifics of what mini cost what, I literally had a baker’s dozen of Jungle Trolls at one point and nobody to buy them. So what if the gold/green minis were heckuva valuable commodity? That’s because there were only so many and for most people they only got those for shelling out the cash or being lucky.

What I care about is pointing out the blindingly obvious:

The GW1 minis were just as useless on the first birthday, so arguing how the GW2 mini and other rewards are going to be pointless and stupid is . . . in fact, really just making stuff a bigger deal than it needs to be.

But then, I don’t really expect anything else. Even if the Birthday Present was 100 gold and a Precursor of your choice, people would be complaining. Heck, I’ll back it down several levels – if it was a free mini pack (the one you can buy off Black Lion) with the potential for any other mini in the game at higher rarities, one per character who was created last August? We’d still see lots of complaints.

But seriously, “these items are useless and I can’t do anything with them” makes me chuckle, since you couldn’t do anything with the ones in GW1 either aside from the Hall of Monuments and selling them to other people gullible enough to want them.

You could sell them. How isn’t this enough? If you started playing gw1 on day one and received a year 4 (just an example for years) mini the day it came, you could’ve made good amount of money by selling them all if you have multiple characters which all received one. Now from my understanding you’ll receive 8 same Acc Bound minis if you have 8 characters made the day gw2 came out… Doesn’t this sounds like a pathetic joke to you? I mean its so bad i don’t even want to bother talking about it. Its the worst bday present seen in mmo and hopefully wins an award for that

It doesn’t sound like a pathetic joke to me. You can’t sell them. Shrugs.

Everything is about loot and money and gold to some people. And I see that is the major problem faced by this entire genre. As long as that’s the focus, these games will be and remain meaningless.

In Guild Wars 1, your main way to get minis was birthday gifts. That was it. Here, there are tons of ways to get minis, including the gem shop. So if you have minis you could have been selling them for an entire year.

What would one more birthday gift even mean?

Sometimes I think people looking at a detail but forget everything surround the detail.

I’ve made quite a bit of money selling minis in this game.

JustTrogdor.7892:

I didn’t think about using titles to match the character. That’s pretty cool that you all do that. I suppose I could use Combat Healer on my Guardian. Actually they need the opposite of that title for me, “Combat Casualty”. It would suite all my characters. I would have earned that one in my first week.

LMAO! Funny stuff.

I have different titles on different characters as well. My sylvari ranger uses traveler, for example, because it fits him perfectly.

My ultra conceited Asura uses GWAMM.

I don’t actually have titles displayed on my lower level characters, because they haven’t developed a personality yet.

Waar Kijk Je Naar.8713:

Farming is a semi-must. Want T3-armor or a legendary, obtained only by playing events you encounter by walking around the world? That’s gonna take years.

Anet should decrease drops on all monsters and increase rewards for doing events. Make the events rewarding and the monsters slightly less so.

But you can do other things without farming, but still not just be in the open world. I mean you can run dungeons without farming dungeons. I know this because I do it. And sure it will take a long time anyway, but it’s not impossible.

Farming would kill any joy I had in the game. But running dungeons to help guildies out gives me plenty of loot, without farming.

The question is what percentage of players want to farm. It seems like a whole lot of people, because they’re all in one place at the same time. But I don’t think it’s as big a percentage of the entire player base as most people think.

Tachenon.5270:

Vayne.8563:

Tachenon.5270:

Vol.5241:

GW2 gamers seem to be the most entitled of all.

We get new content and QOL patches every 2 weeks. Yet it seems you guys want a free expansion.

There is more content in the patch than meets the eye. It’s meant to be a surprise

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/1k9wjp/the_queens_speech/

I don’t want a free expansion. Especially if it’s more living story/world content. I want a full kitten campaign like Factions or Nightfall, and I’d be more than happy to fork over the cold hard cash for it.

You definitely won’t get a full game like Factions or Nightfall. While they might open those worlds in the future, they won’t be a full game. At least Anet has said as much. One of the problems they touted from the original game was how so many single campiagns divided the player base. They said they wouldn’t do that again.

I don’t care anymore what they say. This is what I say: I’m not going to stick around for another year of Living Story. I’m not going to stick around for another six months of Living Story. Not another three months. Maybe not another month. I’m sick of Living Story. No more.

The line must be drawn here. This far! No further! And I won’t buy any more gems to pay for more of what they are doing.

So here’s hoping Queen Jennah has one helluva speech.

You don’t have to like it…but some people do. I happen to be one of them. Would I like it better than an expansion….probably not. But I don’t feel I need to compare them.

I actually quite like the changing up of content, and having different stuff going on in different places.

chris.7024:

What a horrible update. Boring is the only thing i can think of this patch. I was expecting something great for the 1 year mark since launch but, yet again Anet lets us true gw2 fans down. Im tired of defending his game against trolls and my friends who list the facts about gw2. Its simply boring and this living story is a bad idea. I’ve read that because of the living world we weren’t going to ever get an expansion…….

Anet didn’t say we’d never get an expansion because of the living story. Anet said there were living story teams and people working on larger content packs, including new areas, new races, new weapons and skills.

Anet has yet to decide how these things would be introduced into the game. In any event the Living Story content isn’t interfering with the production of bigger upgrades of the kind you’d find in expansions.

Tachenon.5270:

Vol.5241:

GW2 gamers seem to be the most entitled of all.

We get new content and QOL patches every 2 weeks. Yet it seems you guys want a free expansion.

There is more content in the patch than meets the eye. It’s meant to be a surprise

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/1k9wjp/the_queens_speech/

I don’t want a free expansion. Especially if it’s more living story/world content. I want a full kitten campaign like Factions or Nightfall, and I’d be more than happy to fork over the cold hard cash for it.

You definitely won’t get a full game like Factions or Nightfall. While they might open those worlds in the future, they won’t be a full game. At least Anet has said as much. One of the problems they touted from the original game was how so many single campiagns divided the player base. They said they wouldn’t do that again.

Bright.9160:

Vayne.8563:

It would be a better world of more people had empathy.

I was bullied pretty severely in high school. Well, that’s not entirely true… They tried to bully me severely in high school. I didn’t care for a second, and most degrading comments were countered by an even more degrading one.

Don’t get me wrong, bullying in schools and at work is a big problem, and should be dealt with, because I know not everyone can handle it the way I did (my brother for example struggled for years). But I don’t care for bullying over the internet (and especially on MMORPGS), because there is nothing that is avoided more easily than that, and the opinion of an unknown individual who acts like a 12 year old is not something you should care about, nor let it get to you.

It would be a better world if more people stopped caring about pointless stuff.

Being bullied is high school is lousy. But it’s being bullied/abused at a much younger age, during your formative years, that often leads to serious problems like the ones I’m talking about. You’re you. You’re the only you. And it’s nice that you can just turn off that part of you that separates online from the real world. I can too.

Many people can’t, and I feel sympathy for those people because they can’t.

Yep, the ones we’ve seen so far (and I assume these are the same) is something to level a character under level 20 to level 20.

Edit: I’ve used two of them already.

A caution about the data-mined .dat. Some of that stuff might not be in the next update.

We’ve already seen LFG tool stuff in the .dat and that’s not in the game at all. I wouldn’t necessarily assume everything in the .dat is coming in this update.

Bright.9160:

Chadramar.8156:

We even think in words. Try going without them for even an hour.

I don’t think in words, unless I’m actively having a conversation, when I’m thinking about hypothetical conversations, or when I’m reading (and even when I’m reading, it depends. When I’m reading a book, I don’t read the words consciously, but they form images in my head, when I’m reading articles for example, I’ll read the words). Outside of that, I don’t think with words but with feelings and images, so I could go fine without words for a couple of hours.

Chadramar.8156:

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I’m not saying that verbal abuse can’t be a problem (although you’d have to give me a pretty extreme situation before I’ll admit it is one), but I’m saying that if you really care about what random people over the internet have to say to you, I don’t sympathize with you. It might be victim blaming, but honestly, if you really get your feelings hurt by anonymous people (mostly kids aged 12-18 probably) that are spewing badly worded insults at you in a game, you don’t deserve sympathy, but you need some therapy, because you have insecurity issues.

People have all sorts of issues, complexes, histories. You don’t know what someone has been through. Should everyone who’s been badly bullied or abused not play the game? Should we have sympathy for people who are sensitive to abuse because they’ve been abused? I think we should.

It’s not a question of whether you would be offended over the internet. People are products of a combination of genetics and environment and if someone has already been bullied or abused, there’s a reasonable chance they’ll be sensitive to it. And since a fairly sizable percentage of the population has been bullied or abused, that’s a fairly large potential segment of the playerbase.

No one has any idea how they’d react having suffered abuse and bullying themselves. Some people close off and nothing bothers them. Some people become hyper-sensitive. Neither one is particularly helpful to people in their lives.

It would be a better world of more people had empathy.

Jason.5469:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Poor ignorant forum goers… just wait and see, this update is the first of the more permanent world changing updates. They just aren’t spoiling it yet.

Yup,it will be AMAZING.

I wouldn’t want to get anyone’s hopes up. I hope it will be amazing, but I’m not expecting it.

Depends on your play style. If you’re thinking about running dungeons as your main occupation or WvW, you’re better off waiting till you’re higher level. If you’re looking to mess around in the open world with a casual PvE guild, then you’re better off joining at a lower level.

For SPvP it doesn’t matter since everyone is bumped to 80th level to SPvP.

I’d have preferrred a random gem shop mini tbh.

CreativeAnarchy.6324:

All dungeons should be open without having an event to open them.

Arah is always open. The waypoint may be contested but the dungeon isn’t closed. You can always enter it by running from the next waypoint over. I’ve done it several times now.

knives.6345:

Vayne.8563:

knives.6345:

Vayne.8563:

knives.6345:

Vayne.8563:

knives.6345:

crestpiemangler.7631:

knives.6345:

Because time = money.
The quicker you get over a dungeon, the more things you can do, the more rewards you can get, thus the more productive your game time is..

If you follow that reasoning, then you should never play a game ever, because you miss out on the money you could be making in a real job.

I have a real job. I work 9hrs a day, weekdays.

Problem?

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Hmm, then I don’t know why before the dungeon reward revamp – most CoF runners in gw2lfg.com are looking for zerkers.

I also don’t know why zerkers are the most used armor in game pve-wise (hey, you can’t argue with that – it’s a fact).

I also don’t know why people are usually looking for “experienced only” when running dungeons.

Cheers!

First you’re making the assumption that most dungeon runners use LFG.com. I’m not sure that’s true. There are people who LFG in game, people who play only with a guild. The problem is, you have a lack of data because people who do use LFG.com use it over and over and over again. There’s no telling how many people are actually using it by number, only the number of times it’s used.

Now as to why people ask for zerker…you can ask for something and be completely unaware of the meta. Do you know how many people just copy other people without even knowing why? In my years playing MMOs, I’ve seen plenty of people copy builds from websites without the slightest understanding of why that build is good or bad. It’s just what everyone else does.

Do humans copy what other people are doing? Sure. Do they necessarily understand why others are doing it?

I’ll leave each person to answer that question themselves.

And you have the data?

Atleast I have some solid source. What makes you think that those people who doesn’t look at gw2lfg doesn’t use zerker items as well?

And why do people copy builds? Because it’s the most effective to date. It’s efficient. They don’t need to understand as long as it works.

Vayne come on, you’ve been playing guildwars like every hour. Don’t tell me you haven’t observed the trend for the past few months.

I’ve observed the trend in Guild Wars 2 and I’ve observed the same trend in just about every MMO and I still say the majority of players simply don’t care about dungeons. And I don’t have the data that’s why I use words like “I’m not sure that’s true” and “I believe.” Only Anet has the data.

But that doesn’t stop me from believing that those that do dungeons aren’t the biggest share of the pie, and I don’t believe they ever have been.

But you look at a place like gw2lfg.com and the only people posting there, or the largest majority is dungeon runners. Just like you go to Orr and all you see are tons of farmers. So the farmers are all in the same place at the same time. Everyone else is scattered all over the place.

Who has the data?

But I know from interviews and from stuff devs have said that the solo contingent is far larger than most people realize. That much I do know. At least Scott Hartsman of Rift has said it, and others too in the past.

Vayne, we are talking about dungeons here right? Ofcourse I am referencing dungeon runners. And incase I got you confused – my bad, but I meant to imply that dungeon is still under PvE.

You don’t need the data. Just by observing the trend, the posts, the chats, you’ll notice that zerkers are wanted. Why? They can finish dungeon runs faster. Efficiency.

And please see Xenon’s response – it pretty much explains why people would rather begin at the time they enter a dungeon, rather than wait for the latecomer – no offense in the term “latecomer”.

In real life – time is gold. Time is precious. It cannot be replaced. For all people, it’s a finite resource draining and draining every second. Spend it wisely. Don’t let someone waste it.

And you know those posting on LFG.com are most people doing dungeons how? How many guilds are there in Guild Wars 2. How many of them run dungeons? How many of them run dungeons several times a day that never get onto LFG.com

My guild runs dungeons most days. Sometimes several a day. None of us insist on zerkers. Are you saying we’re the only guild like this. Are you sure the majority of people pug?

That’s my question.

Sure the trend with puggers that use that site is that they want efficiency. But what percentage is that of the gaming population? And what percentage of the people who play a zerker warrior ONLY play it to get into groups because a few people are asking for it?

Nuka Cola.8520:

anzenketh.3759:

ToT.7018:

Didnt play GW1 so not sure if the anniversary present is on par with those.
Mini will just go in bank never to be seen again, exp scroll i dont need as im lvl 80, booster maybe ok depending on what it boosts.

They are on par with GW1 We just got minis or tunics in GW1. This is actually better as we get a booster and a Scroll of Experience.

You must be joking… In gw1 you had multiple minis, always at least 2 per year going way over 100k AND they were all sellable. Here you will be stuck with an acc bound mini (yet another one… as if we don’t have enough of these), a scroll LOL and a booster~~~~a booooooster haha

How 2 per year? I only remember 1 per year..on your birthday. Are you including the ones you get for lunar fortunes on the Canthan New Year…because those weren’t guaranteed those were RNG.

Nuka Cola.8520:

anzenketh.3759:

ToT.7018:

Didnt play GW1 so not sure if the anniversary present is on par with those.
Mini will just go in bank never to be seen again, exp scroll i dont need as im lvl 80, booster maybe ok depending on what it boosts.

They are on par with GW1 We just got minis or tunics in GW1. This is actually better as we get a booster and a Scroll of Experience.

You must be joking… In gw1 you had multiple minis, always at least 2 per year going way over 100k AND they were all sellable. Here you will be stuck with an acc bound mini (yet another one… as if we don’t have enough of these), a scroll LOL and a booster~~~~a booooooster haha

Actually I was a bit put off by the birthday gift myself, but the truth is, the RNG in Guild Wars 1 birthday gives meant most people got worthless white minis anyway. However, it’s not a big enough difference for your reaction. You’re laughing because you don’t like the game, even though you say you do. You claim you post because you want the game to be better. How is any post in this thread making the game better?

Baron Von Graymouse.7801:

For those who say that farming doesn’t hurt anyone, I have this to say especially when it comes down to doing the Meta event that opens up the gates of Arah. Currently there are several threads about farmers who are intentionally failing the “Secure the Pact staging area at Shank Anchorage” part of the Meta event in Orr to farm all the Champs that spawn during the event. Thus causing gates of Arah to be permanently closed and thus keeping players from finishing their personal stories, and or from getting Shards of Zhaitan for work towards thier Legendary. This is GAME BREAKING and needs to be addressed as soon as possible.

It’s not in the least game breaking and I’m no farmer.

The gates to the dungeon aren’t closed, you can still enter the dugeon. Only the waypoint of the dungeon is closed. So go to the nearest way point and run to the dungeon.

knives.6345:

Vayne.8563:

knives.6345:

Vayne.8563:

knives.6345:

crestpiemangler.7631:

knives.6345:

Because time = money.
The quicker you get over a dungeon, the more things you can do, the more rewards you can get, thus the more productive your game time is..

If you follow that reasoning, then you should never play a game ever, because you miss out on the money you could be making in a real job.

I have a real job. I work 9hrs a day, weekdays.

Problem?

Look, reality-wise, you know I am right. Most people are looking for efficiency. You’re not the only one affected by being late. There are other people too. This is a MMO – be mindful of the time of others – you could be wasting them.

The thing is, I don’t think most people are looking for efficiency. I’m not even sure that most people that run dungeons are looking for efficiency, but I think efficiency is secondary to most people. Most people don’t know what a meta even is.

Hmm, then I don’t know why before the dungeon reward revamp – most CoF runners in gw2lfg.com are looking for zerkers.

I also don’t know why zerkers are the most used armor in game pve-wise (hey, you can’t argue with that – it’s a fact).

I also don’t know why people are usually looking for “experienced only” when running dungeons.

Cheers!

First you’re making the assumption that most dungeon runners use LFG.com. I’m not sure that’s true. There are people who LFG in game, people who play only with a guild. The problem is, you have a lack of data because people who do use LFG.com use it over and over and over again. There’s no telling how many people are actually using it by number, only the number of times it’s used.

Now as to why people ask for zerker…you can ask for something and be completely unaware of the meta. Do you know how many people just copy other people without even knowing why? In my years playing MMOs, I’ve seen plenty of people copy builds from websites without the slightest understanding of why that build is good or bad. It’s just what everyone else does.

Do humans copy what other people are doing? Sure. Do they necessarily understand why others are doing it?

I’ll leave each person to answer that question themselves.

And you have the data?

Atleast I have some solid source. What makes you think that those people who doesn’t look at gw2lfg doesn’t use zerker items as well?

And why do people copy builds? Because it’s the most effective to date. It’s efficient. They don’t need to understand as long as it works.

Vayne come on, you’ve been playing guildwars like every hour. Don’t tell me you haven’t observed the trend for the past few months.

I’ve observed the trend in Guild Wars 2 and I’ve observed the same trend in just about every MMO and I still say the majority of players simply don’t care about dungeons. And I don’t have the data that’s why I use words like “I’m not sure that’s true” and “I believe.” Only Anet has the data.

But that doesn’t stop me from believing that those that do dungeons aren’t the biggest share of the pie, and I don’t believe they ever have been.

But you look at a place like gw2lfg.com and the only people posting there, or the largest majority is dungeon runners. Just like you go to Orr and all you see are tons of farmers. So the farmers are all in the same place at the same time. Everyone else is scattered all over the place.

Who has the data?

But I know from interviews and from stuff devs have said that the solo contingent is far larger than most people realize. That much I do know. At least Scott Hartsman of Rift has said it, and others too in the past.

You can enter the dungeon even if the event isn’t finished. The farmers aren’t preventing you from doing the dungeon. You do have to run there from the next waypoint over though…but if you can’t handle that, I sincerely don’t think you can handle the dungeon.

I should mention they’ve done polls in the past in other games, and usually, the people running dungeons regularly are a relatively small part of the population. Most people who run dungeons have no idea how people can play WoW and not care about dungeons, but there are a whole lot of people playing that don’t group at all, in addition to people who PvP and don’t do dungeons and people who just prefer open world content.

I believe the dungeon running crowd is pretty small compared to the overall population.

knives.6345:

Vayne.8563:

knives.6345:

crestpiemangler.7631:

knives.6345:

Because time = money.
The quicker you get over a dungeon, the more things you can do, the more rewards you can get, thus the more productive your game time is..

If you follow that reasoning, then you should never play a game ever, because you miss out on the money you could be making in a real job.

I have a real job. I work 9hrs a day, weekdays.

Problem?

Look, reality-wise, you know I am right. Most people are looking for efficiency. You’re not the only one affected by being late. There are other people too. This is a MMO – be mindful of the time of others – you could be wasting them.

The thing is, I don’t think most people are looking for efficiency. I’m not even sure that most people that run dungeons are looking for efficiency, but I think efficiency is secondary to most people. Most people don’t know what a meta even is.

Hmm, then I don’t know why before the dungeon reward revamp – most CoF runners in gw2lfg.com are looking for zerkers.

I also don’t know why zerkers are the most used armor in game pve-wise (hey, you can’t argue with that – it’s a fact).

I also don’t know why people are usually looking for “experienced only” when running dungeons.

Cheers!

First you’re making the assumption that most dungeon runners use LFG.com. I’m not sure that’s true. There are people who LFG in game, people who play only with a guild. The problem is, you have a lack of data because people who do use LFG.com use it over and over and over again. There’s no telling how many people are actually using it by number, only the number of times it’s used.

Now as to why people ask for zerker…you can ask for something and be completely unaware of the meta. Do you know how many people just copy other people without even knowing why? In my years playing MMOs, I’ve seen plenty of people copy builds from websites without the slightest understanding of why that build is good or bad. It’s just what everyone else does.

Do humans copy what other people are doing? Sure. Do they necessarily understand why others are doing it?

I’ll leave each person to answer that question themselves.

knives.6345:

crestpiemangler.7631:

knives.6345:

Because time = money.
The quicker you get over a dungeon, the more things you can do, the more rewards you can get, thus the more productive your game time is..

If you follow that reasoning, then you should never play a game ever, because you miss out on the money you could be making in a real job.

I have a real job. I work 9hrs a day, weekdays.

Problem?

Look, reality-wise, you know I am right. Most people are looking for efficiency. You’re not the only one affected by being late. There are other people too. This is a MMO – be mindful of the time of others – you could be wasting them.

The thing is, I don’t think most people are looking for efficiency. I’m not even sure that most people that run dungeons are looking for efficiency, but I think efficiency is secondary to most people. Most people don’t know what a meta even is.

I don’t think players should be banned for farming, but they should definitely be receive at least temporary bans if they abuse people playing the game as intended. And like it or not, finishing DEs is what Anet intended when they made the game.

So if I go to finish an event, whether I realize people are farming or not, because I want to finish an event, and people curse at me, you’re kitten straight I’ll report them.

That said, I passed that event today on my way to a personal story, and ended up killing some champs. Man they go down fast. It was ridiculous.

The event spawning champions the way it does, one after another, is clearly broken and needs to be fixed.

Azjenco.9425:

Ah, such memories. I remember watching this at least once a day as the release date drew near. How disappointed I was when most of it was missing.

I thought the artwork at 1:30 was going to be Ebonhawk. The Hawkgates looked massive in that, and the structures were along the twin cliffs with what I thought was water running through the middle. I had such high hopes for Ebonhawk, but felt so disappointed when I got there.

Likewise, at 2:35 I thought we were looking at Lion’s Arch. Although what we got in the game wasn’t bad at all, I just expected something… better.

It’s such a shame, what could have been.

Reminds me of how disappointed I was in Guild Wars 1 when I finally got to Lion’s Arch.

Look, ma, more tents. lol

Waar Kijk Je Naar.8713:

Vayne.8563:

crestpiemangler.7631:

Vayne.8563:

So my guild isn’t part of the community. There’s 115 people in my guild who don’t act like that. There’s a very VISIBLE percentage of the community that do and I still believe they’re the minority.

If you go onto LFG.com and put an add up for a casual dungeon group, you’ll get casual players. There are more of them than you think. If you join a casual guild, you’ll find casual players. Why does it seem there are so many speed runners?

Because these guys run dungeons over and over and over again, where as my guild runs this one once, that one once, the other one once. In other words, in the time these guys do 12 dungeon runs, we’ve done one or two. So it seems like there are a lot of them. But it’s the same few elitists over and over again, who by percentage don’t make up the bulk of the community.

In fact, it wouldn’t surprise me if more than half the players in this game have never done a dungeon.

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Well the proof is in the pudding, I challenge you to try and watch all cutscenes in a group formed by Gw2lfg.com (I never watch them by the way) in 10 mutually independent groups, or go afk for 2 minutes, or be completely clueless in a fractal.

Don’t let it be your guildmates either, or the effect would be lost.

Just put in your ads watching cut scenes. It’s pretty simple. Then people who don’t mind will party with you. I’m not seeing this as the end of the world. Some people don’t want to watch cut scenes and some people do. But I think the percentage isn’t as skewed as you think it is.

That said, the game is almost a year old now and the majority of people still playing have seen the cutscenes already. They get boring after 20 times, really.

Right, but you can skip them and wait for some newbie who’s never seen them, simple because it’s the decent thing to do. It’s pro community. I’m always happy to sit there and let someone else experience the game, because once I did that too.

Maybe if more people felt this way this thread wouldn’t even exist.

crestpiemangler.7631:

Vayne.8563:

So my guild isn’t part of the community. There’s 115 people in my guild who don’t act like that. There’s a very VISIBLE percentage of the community that do and I still believe they’re the minority.

If you go onto LFG.com and put an add up for a casual dungeon group, you’ll get casual players. There are more of them than you think. If you join a casual guild, you’ll find casual players. Why does it seem there are so many speed runners?

Because these guys run dungeons over and over and over again, where as my guild runs this one once, that one once, the other one once. In other words, in the time these guys do 12 dungeon runs, we’ve done one or two. So it seems like there are a lot of them. But it’s the same few elitists over and over again, who by percentage don’t make up the bulk of the community.

In fact, it wouldn’t surprise me if more than half the players in this game have never done a dungeon.

a

Well the proof is in the pudding, I challenge you to try and watch all cutscenes in a group formed by Gw2lfg.com (I never watch them by the way) in 10 mutually independent groups, or go afk for 2 minutes, or be completely clueless in a fractal.

Don’t let it be your guildmates either, or the effect would be lost.

Just put in your ads watching cut scenes. It’s pretty simple. Then people who don’t mind will party with you. I’m not seeing this as the end of the world. Some people don’t want to watch cut scenes and some people do. But I think the percentage isn’t as skewed as you think it is.

I don’t focus on loot now, so I doubt I’d do much different. Hang out the guild, help in dungeons or fractal runs, when needed, level some alts, play around in the open world…and chase achievements which I did anyway, but not for loot.

Serelisk.6573:

I think Vayne has me on block. Can you even do that on the forums?

Nope, you’re not blocked. I somehow missed your post though. I didn’t do it for long, so I guess I just got lucky.

Nemhain.3906:

Vayne.8563:

Actually the way the question is phrased shows a lack of understanding. You ….

If I’m asking it’s because I don’t know and therefore I do have a lack of understanding, your reply isn’t helpfull. Just asking if I can have more then 5 characters.

Fourrunner.4263:

Yes, it is possible to have more than 5 per server. Each extra characters will cost you 800 gems I believe.

Thank you for your reply Fourrunner, I will try to find out how to get that extra characters with costumer support.

No need to be sensitive…your question said five character PER SERVER. That showed that you didn’t understand how it worked. If someone had just answered yes, you could have been under the false impression that you could have characters on different servers.

I was just trying to help.

crestpiemangler.7631:

Vayne.8563:

Don’t confuse the community’s patience with the patience of speed farmers. Speed runners represent a small portion of the community. You might think they’re prevalent if you run a lot of CoF, but there’s a big wide community out there that’s nothing like that.

It isn’t just CoF, it’s Arah, it’s TA, it’s fractals (you sure are kittened if you’re new), it’s anything and everything.

I am usually the only person who bothers to revive people during world boss fights when it’s feasible, or even in the gauntlet, or even in OS.

I used to think WoW had a bad community, but the people there are saints in comparison.

So my guild isn’t part of the community. There’s 115 people in my guild who don’t act like that. There’s a very VISIBLE percentage of the community that do and I still believe they’re the minority.

If you go onto LFG.com and put an add up for a casual dungeon group, you’ll get casual players. There are more of them than you think. If you join a casual guild, you’ll find casual players. Why does it seem there are so many speed runners?

Because these guys run dungeons over and over and over again, where as my guild runs this one once, that one once, the other one once. In other words, in the time these guys do 12 dungeon runs, we’ve done one or two. So it seems like there are a lot of them. But it’s the same few elitists over and over again, who by percentage don’t make up the bulk of the community.

In fact, it wouldn’t surprise me if more than half the players in this game have never done a dungeon.

You can play this game the way you always did. I do what I want to do, when I want to. There are things I don’t do. Because trying to do it all is madness…even for me.

I used to try to keep up with all the achievements due to the leaderboards. I started to dislike the game at that point, but it was my choice. I made the choice to stop, I enjoy the game again.

The game doesn’t decide how you approach it. That’s up to you.

Don’t confuse the community’s patience with the patience of speed farmers. Speed runners represent a small portion of the community. You might think they’re prevalent if you run a lot of CoF, but there’s a big wide community out there that’s nothing like that.