Guild Wars 2

Marthkus.4615:

Any reqs what so ever for AC was not “casual” friendly. Which “casual” seems to mean any non-(level 80 zerker elitist).

Like Jockum said, SW had a way better gold/hour ratio when pugging and that’s the only thing what counts for the casual players. There is no single doubt that he is right with his statements. Pugs had worse gold income when running dungeons compared to SW.
You must not compare some daily guild runs having a better ratio because they were never involved in any toxic things that were brought up via the lfg. Speed run guilds didn’t use this feature, they had their own closed groups inside the guild or dungeon community.

Zerker groups filled way more slowly than any other “all welcome”, “everybodys run”, “come all” or for example “P1” group. That was a big mistake made by many players crying out loud: “OMFG, only zerker lfgs. Anet, stop zerker meta plox.” because they only looked for the lfgs that lasted longer. Pre-HoT you could open AC with “Px” and your group was filled within seconds while you had to wait for a so called right zerker meta composition.

And the biggest mistake was or is always the same: Many players never open an own lfg since today. But, maybe that is not a mistake, it is just stupidity.

And I have to correct another thing: AC is not made for Lvl 30/35. It is recommended to run it with these levels. There was no statement that you have the right to play with everybody also running AC just because you achieved this kind of level.
And another thing: It is pretty hard to run AC with Lvl 35 in inappropriate gear. Yeah, you can do this as a challenge but after 3 years this challenge isn’t interesting for most of the veterans, so it was better to list your wishes with lvl 80/meta/zerker/w/e and let others have their challenge. Again, this had nothing to do with toxicity.

Marthkus.4615:

My favorite experience is when I was playing full Zerk PS war and got kicked from a group because back then kicking was easier AND the party leader was using 3rd party software to estimate my health which was “too high for full zerk”. My server’s WvW bonus put me over her threshold pfffff.

This reason wasn’t even toxic. A kick is not to equalize with toxicity. He just didn’t want to have you in that determined group. Ok, he made a mistake, maybe. Maybe not. No toxicity. Did he insult you? If so, that is toxic.
You’ll be way too sensitive if you think that his kick was a toxic behaviour.
It’s the same thing like back in the past when I was playing on the court with some friends. Some other guys wanted to play with us but from time to time we didn’t want to play with them. This attitude didn’t make us toxic but nowadays, many peeps of the younger population feel that this is toxic or cruel. What a bullkitten! Grow some balls!
This world isn’t “Hello Kitty”.

reapex.8546:

No, the toxic meta made people quit. Queensdale champ train, eotm karma and experience nerfs, and more. Toxic players helped kill content by Anet reducing the rewards associated with the content.

Queensdale champ train had nothing to do with “zerker meta”, neither had eotm karma and the xp nerfs. Don’t mix things up.

It’s not that we already have dozens of such threads in this forum. Nope, better open a new one. ^^

Ambient Beauty.8576:

Anet will be updating dungeons soon.

Dream on, baby. Dream on.

My serious answer to that: No, just no.

You must be new here.

I don’t really agree with all of your things but this is definitely the wrong place to post something like that because here are no “wondering” people. You should have posted that into the “Players helping Players” subforum but I hope you will enjoy your stay.
Could be really really funny…but not for you.

Marthkus.4615:

Anet wanted the toxic meta players out of dungeon content.

You should delete that crap before it irritates some of the newer and innocent players because it is abolutely not true.

reapex.8546:

In otherwords, Fractals are the “new” dungeons for people to do for gold.

Exactly, and the earlier people get that, the better. Let’s keep the dungeon memories and go on to new borders.

cranos.5913:

Vinceman.4572:

Thaddeus did a great job summing all up about drops, I just want to add a little thing:

Fractal rewards are super good nowadays. You gain very much gold doing all dailies so you can craft asc armor faster than before (if you had played fractals only for achieving them).

It’s barely worth it to keep playing after the dailies are done. How is that super good?

The rewards for the dailies. I didn’t talk about anything more, although it is worth to buy keys for a decent amount.

Thaddeus did a great job summing all up about drops, I just want to add a little thing:

Fractal rewards are super good nowadays. You gain very much gold doing all dailies so you can craft asc armor faster than before (if you had played fractals only for achieving them).

The game itself is in a terrible state atm and it’s getting worse.

Astralporing.1957:

So, yes, it is possible to do all story modes solo. People have done it before, It won’t be easy, however (well, depending on how good you are), because those (except Arah, which has been changed into a part of personal story and redesigned to be soloable) are generally meant for groups.

This question has never been made.
eduardo just negated that it’s possible and was wrong. Yes, they are all soloable.

TPMN.1483:

The hardest content in the game should reward the players who can complete it the highest rewards / hr.

Keep on dreaming!

TPMN.1483:

We still have the same problems we were complaint about .. The reward for challenging face roll open world content is higher than any organised content.

That is what they want. GW2 is a “special” MMO. It’s for casuals not the 1% gaining better stuff than others.

Well I have 6k and I am sure that isn’t very much compared to dozens of other veterans.

This topic again! ^^

Please search for similar threads if you want to discuss about anything in a forum.

Anet is so slow in bringing new content, items or currencies to use for, the only thing you can do is waiting.

You can change them into Bags of Fractal Relics and use the currency again:
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Bag_of_Fractal_Relics

Or you just keep them and pray for the implementation of your idea.

And here again:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=guild+wars+2+story+solo

Sry garcialak for copying. ^^

If the story modes are too hard for you, you’ll be too weak a.k.a. bad.
Just take a friend with you then and you will see it’s easy as kitten. I soloed some of them and duoed the rest because I don’t like it to play alone.

eduardo.1436:

Vinceman.4572:

Yes, you can solo all dungeon story modes and many of the other paths as well.

Since I literally made a suggestion thread about dungeon story mode making it soloable, im gonna deny everything you just said :P

Lmao, who are you?

Malediktus and Bloody showing up in a thread about Sesshi. There couldn’t be more honor than that those 2 “individuals” ranting around. All hail Sesshi!

Slidi and I will miss you. He posted so many chatlogs from you and it was always entertaining. I also liked your solo videos, very inspiring especially your “eRekT” video. It has a place in our heart and will stay as mp3 in our TS soundboards forever. ^^

Yes, you can solo all dungeon story modes and many of the other paths as well.

This topic again! ^^

I guess this thread was moved here from the discussion forum?!

@OP: You have to go deeper (to search for and read all the threads about abandoned dungeons). It’s an old theme and goes back to almost at the beginning of HoT.

Stajan.4581:

dude I am telling you they changed the drop rates again

Yes, on december 15th. There was no drop rate change afterwards.

I’ve gotten 3 asc chests now, 3 golden skins and I was not willing to count the huge amount of rings out of 3 dailies.

Stajan.4581:

My P level is 78 right now and just opened my boxes and I got a crappy ring and that was it up until recently I did ok I had 4 armor boxes and 1 weapon box now nothing it is now the 12th day with nothing and on 4 of those days I got nothing at all not even a ring.

It is still just RNG, pure fricking RNG. 12 days in a row is nothing special. I had about the same time span with no chest and 4 days without a ring. Omg, you gonna die.
Deal with it or quit the game. They really don’t need to change anything at the moment.

Stajan.4581:

On top of that the encryption boxes are garbage you get sellable junk woopy I have not gotten a sellable skin from them since they changed them over and after opening thousands of them after the change and pulling only 1 gold fractal skin just take the kitten things out and up the amount of chance to get a box to the following

Garbage? It’s free luiquid gold out of nothing like the dungeons we had before. I don’t want to grind SW for buying my shinies. Fractals are very worthwile, the average gold I get from a triple daily is over 10 gold in approximately 1 hour.

Stajan.4581:

Grand champion box ( new box for doing ( 3 levels of fractals 81-100) 75 %
Champion box 50%
Vet box 25%
Adept box 5%

Way too high drop rates. This would be hilarious and I cannot take you seriously with these thoughts. Pure kitten.

I repeat myself: Drop rates are totally fine.

Run all paths again, from 1-3. Sometimes it is buggy, not only for HotW. A full rerun helps.

I also like them but some dreams are not worth to dream for. This one is such a thing.

On cliffside you just have to wipe in the boss room, respawn and go fight him again. It doesn’t bug out and is always possible to finish when this happens. You just waste some time fighting the boss.

therapite.3645:

And the fact that they ARE still here just gives me the faintest glimmer of hope for a future of the game with dungeons in it that are maintained maybe.

Yeah, you are right, the dungeons are still there but guess what: There is no existing dungeon team at Anet, they all left the company. The current staff has no knowledge of the “old stuff”. Your idea is ok for me but it will never be realized since dungeons are dead and completely out of focus. If they could remove dungeons they would do it.

Linken.6345:

You do know that the only drop rate they increased was the sell loot from encryption boxes right? hence why you only get 1 key instead of 2 for each stabilitizing matrix now.

Nope, they also adjusted the ascended drop rate with the december patch because the drops had fallen to almost 0.

Stajan.4581:

The fact that they said they increased the drop rate and it has now been 10 days since I have anything good come out is crazy I know ppl that were getting boxes every day and now no one is getting anything. it is bull crap if they increased the drop rat then fine but in 10 days you would think I would have gotten something

We all know that probability is an a_shole.

But drop rates are fine compared to pre-HoT:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18IHVJao5j85KOp6lBTOgO8qs4VYD3Xty-jKPZo8o-Q4/pubhtml

I’ve gotten 3 boxes since the change in december and I am fine with it. On the other side I have made several hundred gold out of fractals and it would be no big deal to buy stuff for almost an entire armor.

Khyan.7039:

I read correctly. You said “So either you “exploit” on the tree or you have a guard or mesmer with you that know how to play the class but that, my dear, is even rare than lvl 2 players meleeing.” So my reply.

Yeah, because it’s completely true. Yesterday I ran with 2 guards as dragonhunters in a PUG, not to mention the double pistol ranging thief from France. I wrote nothing because I wanted to see and feel the catastrophe – the desaster – the massacre. They weren’t disappointing me although these dudes were communicating and still, they didn’t get their sh_t together. It was fun as hell and the chat was full of pure golden rhetoric. The other reasonable guy (in terms of playing because he was toxic as kitten after recognizing the clownery) left and an ok’ish engi joined us. In the end it was a clean and sober fight over 20 Minutes(!!!) with billion rez situations, a Mossman in bear form from 100% HP to 0% and some really astonished players.
I don’t need to tell you that this fractal could have been EASY PEASY LEMON SQUEEZY mode. And I don’t estimate me being a super duper player but there are many worse players like these 3 clowns and that is the reason why the average fractal player has no problems to use this exploit to prevent them from situations I mentioned above. You just don’t have to see the pain there. Press some buttons, go watch netflix, get rewards, go on.
The whole tl,dr sounds more serious than it is for me but it should show you some insights into pugging fractals on a daily basis.

If Anet had fixed exploits faster, people would have learned to fight Mossman properly, like Thaddeus said. But that isn’t going to happen, neither now nor in the near future. I’d rather bet on players quitting swamp and going for other fractals if we have to fight Mossman in an empty room some day.

Khyan.7039:

Mossman isn’t a challenge it’s easy even without exploit. You will even get your rewards faster that losing too much dps on the tree because of skills/weapons you can’t use, invulnerability and afk “auto attack only” people.

I haven’t said anything else but I am no solo player. If you are as good as Sesshi and you are able to solo Mossman, fine for you. Otherwise you need some mates for at least a few group synergies or meat shields. Clowns wouldn’t help you in the open field, they are delicious filets for Mossman’s wolves and/or always take an axe to the knee.

Khyan.7039:

For others that try to say it’s not, this is an exploit, don’t need to argue the contrary. It’s not intented to clear high level fractal without AR since agony is a core fractal mechanic.

People don’t climb the tree mostly due to AR problems. They climb up because they cannot save themselves from attacks and wolves. Just have a look at players that are feared away from the tree: They are running back with 10-20% hp, panic jumping and miss the saving branch. Guess what happens. Yes, downstate. Instead of running out of fight or waiting for Mossman to go invisible. No no, players are dumb, that’s why I take care of my lambs.

Tspatula.9086:

I have to ask, why did you spend over 400 gold crafting it? Why would anyone spend that amount of gold for something that has so little value?

We already have so many good answers to your question so I’ll try to make it short:
I just wanted to have this armor. It’s the same reason why I have made 5 legendaries, Nightfury and Winter’s Presence till today.
When I finished the completion of my first ascended armor set I wasn’t even running fractals on a regular basis. There was only one guild member that asked from day to day if we want to have a run with him. I had about 5-10 runs (1 run = 4 islands pre-HoT) per month in the level range from 1-10 or 11-20. So my rewards came from dungeon tours in far over 90% of my playtime. I didn’t need asc armor there but it was nice to have and I felt and still feel comfortable knowing I have the best stuff with me apart from omni infusions.

Tspatula.9086:

And Vince,
I honestly don’t know what to tell you, but I have been look for ANY over 50 fractal groups for 2 weeks of which I actually found and got into one (over a week ago) for irrc 55, 66, 77 and was asked to leave when I informed the group that I only had 90 AR, which is fine, no complaints there. I now have 103 which is enough for 77. And I am not complaining about the lack of LFGs over 50, I am simply stating the facts as I have experienced things. It does seem to me that the EU servers have more people running over 50 fractals open to taking PUGs based on your statements. NA servers are fairly dead and think I am looking during what would be NA east coast prime (8pm-10:30pm) time during the week. At this rate I am probably not going to bother trying to get armor from Fractals, as it appears that the drops are for specific pieces ie. boots or gloves etc… I have all the mats I need to craft the rest of my first set, which it seems, zerk is the universal set…

1. You can get any armor pieces out of fractals. It’s just (stupid = my opinion) rng.
2. I still doubt that NA is dead because there are so many people here from NA discussing about Mossman exploits since weeks/months and as you can see from their point of view in these discussions they aren’t running fractals in organized groups, they are using PUGs via lfg. The best thing to do is still opening an own lfg.
3. Zerk & Condi are both fine as “universal” set. But almost all PUGs are satisfied with you having enough AR. The gear isn’t really relevant in fractals nowadays because there are no DPS checks or anything else.

Tspatula.9086:

Thank you everyone for your “thoughtful comments”, this is an amusing subforum.

We have to thank you. People like you are the reason why it is so entertaining here.

KuroiArt.7349:

they will have to update dungeons at some point. Little tweaks to dungeons ain’t load of work to do – so maybe at some point they’ll fix them. Let’s hope for the best.

Nope, they won’t because it is the opposite of what you are talking, it is a big load of work to just fix small things with the actual developement team.
They are lacking competence and know-how after letting the dungeon team go. Dungeons are dead content for them, dungeons are abandoned.

Dude, you haven’t been here in this forum for the last two years. If you had been you would have known better.

KuroiArt.7349:

You never know – they try to bring new players to GW2 all the time. This is one option to apply dungeon update to Anet philosophy. I personally would love that kind of change to be able to actually play dungeons.

Yes, we know.
They already stated that they wanted to “disincentivize” dungeons so that ppl don’t run dungeons any longer and move on to fractals and raids.
There is also no dungeon team working at Arenanet and bugs haven’t been fixed since years.
Btw. the last try to bring new players to GW2 was connected with HoT and not the old stuff.

Why do you guys step in here and post a new dungeon thread with a “superspecial” idea every week while we all know that they won’t touch dungeons ever again?

Khyan.7039:

oh please… This boss is so easy. I have done it with engi/ranger/necro (3 people) ( other people left when they saw they can’t use the pole, lel). The trick is kill adds when they spawn, use stab and break the defiance bar.
Do you know that the defiance bar is like paper now? You can stun him almost all the time.

Oh pleae, you haven’t read correctly. It is like we don’t care. We want to slaughter our fractal loot pinata and nothing else. If it’s on the ground or on the pole it doesn’t matter for me, I can kill him everywhere if the team composition is fine and players know what to do. Since PUGs are lacking brain, starting with the age of video games till today, I prefer to let them stay in their comfort zone and adjust my playstyle to the group.
For me there is no interest in having Mossman a challenge. He is an old man hiding my rewards and therefore has to die so I can move on to the next thing I am interested in.

Stajan.4581:

It has been about 9 days now since I got a armor chest I thought the drops were all to be higher on the higher levels boxes but 9 days of doing them and nothing plus nothing but junk from the encryption boxes.

You want ppl to play the higher levels from 75-100 make it that you will get a chest for every 5 you complete so from
75-79 80-85 86-91 92-97
98 a fractal weapon box
99 you get a gold fractal weapon box
100 you get a ascended weapon box

this will get ppl doing the higher levels and give them the chance of getting the stuff they are looking for

and when I say you get a chest from doing 5 that means 75 76 77 78 79 you can do these twice a week

Fractals are too easy to give away asc boxes like you are proposing. Maybe they could do so but then you have to delete all the gold loot from fractals to adjust the rewards properly.

Tspatula.9086:

Could you translate that for me, you know, into really dumbed down terms because frankly, I have no idea what you are talking about. Also you do realized that YOUR timezone is only one of many, right?

Well, for EU there are no really big time zone issues from London (England, 7:30 pm at the moment) to Moscow (Russia, 10:30 pm at the moment). And again I have to repeat: You have almost 12 hours per day with groups in the lfg running the champ chest dailies (50+ fractals), I doubt that there is a huge difference between EU and the NA servers. This is underlined by many players in this subforum belonging to NA and running fractals every day.
You know, you can open your own lfg and advertise a group and you could or better should identify the best times of your server. If you aren’t able to make it, try to be close to those times and even at the boundaries there will be enough groups to play with.
I won’t believe that you are so heavily excluded from the content you want to play. These are only excuses, cheap excuses and the reluctance to invest.

Tspatula.9086:

But I certainly take your point, whatever times you are able to play this game, it is much better for you than for me in terms of finding groups for over 50 lvl fracts. I salute your ability to choose the best playing times, of course I am unable to do so, as I have a job, and a wife and a real life outside this game.

Please stop with these excuses. Everyone of us here has a wife, a fiancé, a girlfriend, kids or a bigger family. Many have jobs, friends, do sports and more. The real life argument is a pretty bad one and if you are struggling so hard with GW2 you should either stop playing or you start to organize yourself better.

Tspatula.9086:

Currently, right now 2pm Est there are absolutely no over 50 fractal groups listed and I have been checking periodically over the last couple of hours. It is indeed hilarious that you are unable to comprehend that not everyone has the same experience that you do. Please continue to educate me. I need it so.

I still don’t believe you and like I stated above: Why on earth wouldn’t you open an own lfg. Most of the groups are filling so fast that you won’t even recognize them by “checking periodically”.

Tspatula.9086:

However, on the above comment, for my playtimes which are usually weekdays 8-10:30ish est and weekends mostly early during the day

For the weekend I don’t know but on prime time in the evening from 8-10:30 there are many groups for champ chests.
If you have meant morning, then wow dude. It’s a game played by kids who are going to school, students that are either sleeping or going to college, university and the majority of older people is going to work in the early morning. Are you really surprised then that there are only few groups. In EU there are guaranteed groups for the higher daily fractals from noon till midnight.
It’s getting more and more hilarious!

…since release of the game in 2012.

KayCee.4653:

So why did they start doing this focus on FotM and Raid content?

It is very simple to answer that: To sell the expansion.

Tspatula.9086:

No, you have pretty much everything wrong. I may not be expressing myself perfectly so here in a nutshell:

No, I have not like many others have proven to you now. I will repeat some things because you are not only wrong, you are terribly wrong!

Tspatula.9086:

Ascended armor is now for all intents and purposes going to be required for raids which is the only real endgame content we have (until WvW gets really fixed which I am not hopeful about).

No it is not! Full exotic armor is enough. You get asc trinkets via log in and weapons are the one who are bringing most of the -difference + they aren’t that expensive.
They taught you here in this forum that asc armor is just 2 addition, so it is absolutely not necessary if you are in exotic armor, asc weapon + asc trinkets and have over 1 minute of time left. It was my third raid kill in these conditions not like the automated ones now. Look at the full time you have on the bosses and you maybe understand that your assumption is wrong.

Tspatula.9086:

Yes, you can have one or two people in your party with exotics, and at least one elite group have done exotic only runs to prove it can be done, but even they don’t recommend it.

You haven’t even understood the whole video. And they don’t recommend for first timer to do it like them. It was not only full exotics, they also had a gold limit that reduced other possibilities like bufffood as well.
Again: since asc weapons and trinkets are pretty much easier to get, not to speak from exotic armor, no ascended armor is required to be successful in raids.

Tspatula.9086:

The cost of making ascended armor whether before or after the patch means that for a very large percentage of the playerbase, only one ascended set is going to be practically attainable in a reasonable timeframe. This means that no matter what, most players are locked into a specific armor class and specific armor stats. Many of us have at least 2 sets of exotic armor per toon with different runes and stats to allow for some situational build diversity. Reduced build diversity is not good for anyone.

There is no reduced build diversity in raids at the moment, read the massive amount of threads and posts here in this forum. Asc is still not required, I repeat myself one more time, so the argument of the possibility to have only one asc armor is not given. I by myself have 3 armors, 2 heavy and 1 light, not more. I am perfectly fine because I don’t have to play all classes, all races, thousands of builds and so on. That’s even kitten because you are lacking so much skill in playing all classes that you, as a beginner, won’t even succeed in raids and be a burden in higher fractals if you don’t have a main class. It’s like the old LoL thing:
Player 1: “Do you know how to play this champion?”
Player 2: “No, it’s my first time.”
Player 1: “Dude, it’s a ranked game. Stop doing that.”
Player 2: “Hey come on, it’s fine. They are all like the same.”
—> 5 Minutes later
Player 2 is 0-xx and responsible for the loss of the whole team.

Go build your first asc armor for your main char, I recommend zerker or condi. With both it’s absolutely fine to play raids and high fractals. If you need diversity, you can change the armor to the same weight class, you can change the stats or in the end, you go for your second asc armor like every other player is doing after a decent amount of time.

Tspatula.9086:

If you find a group to run the over 50s, which based on the in-game LFG system is very hit or miss.

There are enough groups for fractals 50+. Most often you will see 56-67-77 because that are the easiest for the majority of players.

Tspatula.9086:

I’m not a big fan of hamster wheel game mechanics, which is why I have always prefered WvW. I’ll think about crafting a legendary if a precursor drops, I am not going grind out a thousand this and thats and dump hundreds of gold to get one. I think it’s wrong that after spending the time and or gold to craft or acquire ascended armor that it should be a limitation on how I would like to play GW2. You are fine with it, ok. You probably already have a lot of ascended gear, so this conversation is largely irrelevant for you, except you might think my idea would devalue your multiple sets of ascended armors…. it’s tough to be the 1%.

Like I said, I have 3 armors and I am not one of the 1%. Never ever. I don’t grind hard for gold. I play for fun + gold because some content is nicely brainafk after a hard day of work. I haven’t grinded any of the “grind collections” till today – I hate them and the long completion route with special targets is totally unalluring for me.
I haven’t grinded for my asc armors or my 4 legendaries, just played stuff in the game I like very much and from day to day I was checking my bank to have an overview of my progress towards those things.
Ok, I play since 6 months after release but hey, everyone who is starting a game that has been out for a decent time has (starting) problems like you are claiming. This is nothing exquisite to GW2. If you don’t want to accept the difference between veterans having all kind of stuff and newer naked players there is an option for you: Buy gold via gem store and get your asc armors in a few minutes.

MithranArkanere.8957:

Why won’t you? That’s why it’s there for.

I repeat myself: You don’t need it. And if you need it, don’t run with PUGs that have to carry you and complain about those players

PopeUrban.2578:

Vinceman.4572:

MithranArkanere.8957:

Not if you went grab the singularity while someone else went ahead to the platform. The cinematic may start right after you get teleported.

The question is: Why would you take it? It’s not necessary at all.

Because its there?
Because you’re new to fractals and could use 5 more AR?
Because its a safety net if you screw up and die?

Why would you not take it is a better question. I’d rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it. I see enough people in PUGs go down in that fight that I often wonder why those people aren’t all over that thing in stead of making me stop hitting bosses to rez them, screwing up both of our DPS and making the fight take longer for everyone.

Cuz if you are new and you need it, you shouldn’t go with PUGs that run immediately on the platform. But that is the problem of “I run under the radar, so I will get carried and nobody is recognizing it.”
Again: There is no need to take it. But ppl who need it shouldn’t join the usual parties where everybody knows how to kill them quickly.

Problem since Aeons: “Fast daily” – Random PUG not knowing the common strategies joining, trying to get carried, messing up themselves, whining and and and. Instead of making an own group for a relaxed run with like-minded people.
Sorry, the fractal content is faceroll and it is annoying to spend your time there any second longer than absolutely necessary. And in before…this is not elitist, this is the truth and just the rational thought of fractal veterans who kept playing them since release.

MithranArkanere.8957:

Not if you went grab the singularity while someone else went ahead to the platform. The cinematic may start right after you get teleported.

The question is: Why would you take it? It’s not necessary at all.

Yeah, ok, I got the OP now. He is complaining about everything around fractals. So here is my advice:
Stop playing them!
At first you are complaining about the asc droprate, then about all rewards together calling them nerfed while it is the opposite around in terms of gold. You gain much more out of fractals since ever. The amount of gold is almost ridiculous and just capped by the 3 dailies or everybody would run fractals to farm gold and silver wastes would be empty.
And in the end you are whining about AR which is posT-HoT not a real problem and can be achieved easier than ever before.
I really really recommend you to let fractals go. You should be happy because fractals are so much more casual-friendly nowadays and there are several veterans that are not content with this issue. Fractals are the new dungeons.

Got one too after patch and I am just doing the short ones a.k.a. 2-daily-10, 21-daily-40 and Swamplands for the daily champion chest. You are biased because almost everyone is running the short ones giving you almost never any of them.
Play the longer ones every day and your droprate will increase. Have fun with it, I won’t! ^^

bladex.9502:

Vinceman.4572:

Zukshin.2067:

Vinceman.4572:

Zukshin.2067:

I barely know anything about Arah, but according to another person that I invited after this scenario, the dungeon was already complete.

Well, then everybody of the 4 others should have known it because there is that tiny little door icon on the right side of the screen allowing you to leave the instance with one klick. It is always there when a dungeon has been finished. There is no excuse for a scam but honestly, if you don’t get that or at least one of the buyers, they all should really play the game a little bit longer.

There was definitely no door icon, we got to the part where you kill 4 beasts and bring fire orbs to torches? But most of the loot was taken, I really don’t understand Arah, sorry. You’re absolutely right though.

He then skipped the first bosses via an exploit and killed some later ones. According to the chat I would rather assert that he left the instance before killing the last boss. The best solutions would have been to ask for help in the lfg and someone would have joined. Or ask a friend that knows about Arah.

Someone in the screenshots pinged the Heavencrystal waypoint, which unlocks after you kill the Bloodstone Shard if I remember correctly, so the instance was already finished.

No, it already unlocks after killing the 4 risen around the shard and the cutscene so that the boss is attackable. You can then retreat and wait for others to catch up via waypoint.

Lendruil.9061:

If you join an instance after it is already completed then you will not get the door icon for leaving the instance. You cannot tell if this guy exploited it that way.

Really? I coul swear I had this several times when friends of mine were doing AC and we were chilling around to explore some stuff, maybe it is just too long ago.

@Zukshin:
“Let it go”
It is not worth it, I mean, they are not worth it. There are always some kind of these ppl.

Ah, ok then.
Good luck and have fun. Arah is always a visit worth. Imho the best dungeon Anet has ever made.

Zukshin.2067:

Vinceman.4572:

Zukshin.2067:

I barely know anything about Arah, but according to another person that I invited after this scenario, the dungeon was already complete.

Well, then everybody of the 4 others should have known it because there is that tiny little door icon on the right side of the screen allowing you to leave the instance with one klick. It is always there when a dungeon has been finished. There is no excuse for a scam but honestly, if you don’t get that or at least one of the buyers, they all should really play the game a little bit longer.

There was definitely no door icon, we got to the part where you kill 4 beasts and bring fire orbs to torches? But most of the loot was taken, I really don’t understand Arah, sorry. You’re absolutely right though.

He then skipped the first bosses via an exploit and killed some later ones. According to the chat I would rather assert that he left the instance before killing the last boss. The best solutions would have been to ask for help in the lfg and someone would have joined. Or ask a friend that knows about Arah.

Zukshin.2067:

I barely know anything about Arah, but according to another person that I invited after this scenario, the dungeon was already complete.

Well, then everybody of you should have known it because there is that tiny little door icon on the right side of the screen allowing you to leave the instance with one klick. It is always there after a dungeon has been finished. There is no excuse for a scam but honestly, if you don’t get that or at least one of you, you all should really play the game a little bit longer. I would say: lesson learned and tyi you won’t get any information about a possible punishment of this player. Disappointing but this is how it goes.

I also recommend you to run the dungeons by yourself instead of buying them. They are very easy and there is still a bunch of players teaching, helping or just running the paths for fun. All you have to do is waiting a bit in the lfg dungeon section and be active. Don’t just wait for an lfg to show up, advertise your own.

Tspatula.9086:

So Vince, while you state your most awesome exception to the basic rule that ascended is needed for the raid, you are awesome, but your exception still relies on others to have ascended equipment, and let us not forget that the next phases will be harder and less likely that exotics will cut it.

If I reflect myself correctly, I will be far away from an exception to the basic because I survived the raid in partially exotics.
The problem with raids is not the raid itself, it’s the people making wrong correlations. Ofc groups want to have the best equipped and skilled players if they are pugging and searching for mates to clear the raid. But when it comes to execution of the content you will realize fast that people are dying and failing the bosses mostly due to mechanics and not because the lack of appropriate gear. The first steps I tried so hard with my asc gear, died, failed etc. and later on I was able to kill bosses with a good amount of time left with my toons in exotics. It is way more about learning and adapting the mechanics than being perfectly geared.
And trust me, it doesn’t really matter that much if you have exotic or ascended gear when you trying to find a pug group or guild. The search for raid group is not so easy and for newer players even harder because many solids groups have already formed and you have no access to them. To go against that you have to be very active and search intensively although it is annoying and maybe frustrating in the first place.

Tspatula.9086:

Prior to HoT there was no content that required ascended anything to be competitive, and I fully admit that I had spent the vast majority of my time playing WvW, which Anet let deteriorate to the point where it’s currently a pointless game mode, so now I am trying to get gear and find some other interest in this game.

As I said, nothing has changed to the worse site. The opposite counts, you can play more fractal levels without asc gear than before HoT. You got more maps which all can be played in exotics, raids also. There is still no heavy need to get asc gear. You are creating the pressure on yourself!

Tspatula.9086:

Of course, all of you posting about how everything is fine already have plenty of ascended gear and are working on gearing alt #4 or extra ascended set #3 or… I realize now that I made a big mistake, playing so much WvW has left me with zilch, well 2 ascended armor chests, 4 weapons and 10 rings (not infused) with healing stats, maybe 5 or so that were useful, oh and not a single precursor. That’s putting roughly 20 hours a week.

I repeat myself: Go for your first gear. Go making little steps. At first you work for one armor piece, then the next and so on. Afterwards you go play with your asc gear for a while and you will have fun. While doing so you are earning the mats for your next goal by the way. See above: Why making pressure? You don’t have to.

Tspatula.9086:

So I get it, thanks for all the tough love here in the fractal/raid/dungeon forums. I guess the one thing that the HoT paradigm has brought is entitlement to the “haves” and disdain for the “have-nots”. Oh wait, that’s always been around… LOL

Stop whining, take action. That is all I can say to your last statement.

Tspatula.9086:

Vinceman.4572:

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There are always exceptions to every rule, that doesn’t make the exception THE rule.

What are you trying to say with that comment? I still don’t get it after having read it three times now.
Thaddeus and I have shown you that you are incorrect in almost all points you have made.

rcs.4120:

The idea that the ascended drop rate is the same as before HoT seems crazy to me. That or there is a bug that only effects some people. I don’t have a nice spreadsheet like above (started one after seeing that) but for myself, I used to get 1-2 chests per week doing a daily 49/50. (single fractal) Since the Patch, I’ve gotten maybe 2 (1 was from a recommended daily 19). Speaking with others they have had similar experiences.

The thing is, your personal experience is correlated to a very small sample size. Till today you could have received less than 50 daily fractal champion chest out of one account referring to the change of december 15th. I don’t take the other into account because the drop rates are very low. 11% are about 5 or less chests so having 1-2 isn’t that far from that number. Personally, I have gotten 2 since december patch and I have made about 40 runs in the champion cateqory, also a very small sample size. It would be around 4 chests what is totally fine concerning simple statistics. Let’s meet again after 5000 chests, ok?

Don’t make it more serious than it is, guys. The fractal content is very old for a game like this. People are already annoyed by those fracs. Of course most of the people are going for the path of least resistance here if the reward is as high as the fractal reward.

Tspatula.9086:

Well, thank you for making all kinds of assumptions about me and what I have done. Currently, I have been running my necro pretty much full zerk. I have weapons, trinkets and a couple ascended armor pieces that are also zerk. My AR currently is 90. I’ve run a few fractals over 50 and I’ll like to start running more. The real truth is that I have been doing some research/reading and it seemed to imply that Zerk wasn’t gonna work over fractal lvl 75, so that appeared to put me in a conundrum of zerk being ok for almost everything else but fractals over 75, which I guess aren’t worth running for the most part, or I am getting that idea.

Zerk till level 100 is completely fine when you aren’t speedrunning or min/max everything. I did all fractals till 100 and every single one in ascended zerker gear with no group insisting on condi or anything else. At the moment fractals can be played like you want. Just have enough AR which is very easy to get till you climb up to level 100 and every group won’t have any problem with your participation. There are only few groups with restriction, they are the real minority not like pre-Hot when almost all groups wanted you to be zerker.

Tspatula.9086:

But think about it, even outfitting a single toon with all ascended gear, AR not withstanding, is VERY expensive, and/or time consuming if you rely on random drops alone.

Yeah but all players that are playing longer than one month know that you cannot rely on drops alone. If you want to have stuff in GW2 almost everyone goes farming gold all the way.

Tspatula.9086:

For the player like myself, semi-serious… There simply is no way that I can manage to equip more than one of my toons with Ascended gear in a reasonable timeframe, say 4 months or so.

One toon is enough to play. If you want more, you can do so and you will also learn to receive your second gear faster than your first. I hope I don’t need to explain that now…

Tspatula.9086:

This was not so true before HoT. Fractal drops were more frequent,

This is NOT true. You gain much more gold than before! And the droprate of ascended is the same like before. We have data of the guild [KING] – pre-HoT and at the moment.

Tspatula.9086:

and crafting costs for armor were cheaper.

See before: Prices are up, gold reward also. I doubt very hard that the time increased very much. Run all fractal dailies and you will swim in gold. Additionally or alternatively go farming 90%ish silver wastes and jump from map to map after vinewrath.

Tspatula.9086:

Now with HoT ascended is less the elite, and more needed to be competitive, the raid, and the higher mistlock instabilities almost mandate it. I am now zerk and a light armor profession for all high level content end of story. I have no real other options at this point….

Raids can be done in exotic armor as some have already proven. Even there, weapons are more important because the boost was about 5-12% (dunno about the exact data) but armor only 2%. Like you said, an armor is about 600-800 gold while one weapon costs about 50 gold. I by myself killed raid bosses in exotic armor with just ascended trinkets etc. and the weapons while the rest of my group also wasn’t full asc.

Tspatula.9086:

ANET changed a fundamental aspect of the game… Exotics no longer cut it, but ascended is out of reach for most unless you want to play the same build for everything.

Making ascended required for content basically gates build variety and content availability…

That’s not true. There are so many players out there equipped in full exotics, they play every day and their gear is enough for almost all of the content.
You are just putting pressure on yourself but in the end your written words are not the facts we have.