Guild Wars 2

Edited to blade master. Yes Blade master was working up until last patch. And was showing in the stats.

Blade Master no longer giving 10% critical chance when a sword is equpied.

Some things to keep in mind with diminishing returns.
Vitality facts
Warrior and Necro get +39% health by adding 798 vitality
Mesmer, Engineer and Ranger get +47% health by adding 798 vitality
Ele, Guardian and Thief get +64% health by adding 798 vitality

Toughness facts
Heavy armor classes get +36% armor by adding 798 toughness
Medium armor classes +39% armor by adding 798 toughness
Cloth classes +42% armor by adding 798 toughness

The difference in attack power between knights and PVT.

Knights has 91 less power than PVT, 91 more toughness, and 10% critical Chance

PVT has 91 more power, 91 less toughness, and 2240 more hp i offers no crit chance.

Warriors base HP is the highest in the game, All of warriors weapons rely on Physical damage, power precision crit power.

Veritas.6071:

Depends on build, weapon choice, and playstyle.

The only condition weapons are sword and longbow and both reley more on p-atak. All other warrior weapons are based on physical damage. No mater how you build your character you can’t get away from these facts.

kNite.6504:

complimenting warriors for doing what?? SPvP, Organized WvW, random zerg WvW, solo map explore, Dungeon runs all have different needs. The gear you want depend on what you intend to do wearing it.

e.g :- for farming cof1 u want all zerk with double axe and rifle, Organised WvW I go PVT with hammer and mace + sheild (I act as a line breaker). For SPVP and small scale WvW i use knight armor.

There are no knights stats in SPVP im asking this question for experts to answer only not for people who don’t know the answer to dodge the question and come up with all of these other things that don’t apply to the question and that arn’t all even possible,

Jonwar.9205:

Better for what exactly? Both have their uses.

Better for complimenting warriors.

No and not to troll becasue I know whakittens like to be the underdog. Were not going to penalize people for wining. If your server isnt strong enough to win you don’t deserve to win. Find another way to win legit like the other servers do.

Shanks R Us.2489:

I can see why it was nerfed, but I think they should of done it like 75% or something along those lines. Cutting it in half seemed like too much of a jump.

It got nerfed becasue of skills like time warp, So when quickness got nerfed so did frenzy. It didn’t get nerfed because of warriors.

The question is knights or PVT, berserker is not an option. Why is one better than the other at complementing a warrior. Whether or not PVT or knights is better on another profession is besides the point this is only for warriors.

Good fights all.

Oh yeah, I see yah your right about this guys and I agree with your points then. He actually should have more like 22k Base HP with WvW bonus and that he is specing 20 points into tactics already. At least that is what mine is. With no vatality gear igf I spec my warrior to have 20 points in tactics I think it is 23k HP Vit is not needed,

Warlord.9074:

Epic.3950:

the thought with vitality over toughness is there for a couple reasons. for one, vit counters conditions, something warriors have trouble with already. The second point is that it is mass speculated that increasing armor increases your aggro (many other factors but toughness is one of them) so I dont want to pull aggro away from someone in pve by having too much toughness

The idea is to clease the condition using Signet of Stamina, mending, shake it off, Soldier runes, Melandru runes + dogged march + lemon Grass. Not Have high vit and let the conditions melt your HP away. I rather Have 20k HP and clear the condition than have 25k HP and let the conditions sit there on me and eat 8k of my hp while cause all types of other problems while the tick at me.

Veritas.6071:

I’m not really sure what you are going for here. I only took a quick glance, but one thing that popped out to me was your crit chance. I’m not sure how accurate the display is to the right but it shows 34.86% so we will round up to 35. So assuming you have fury, that puts you at 55%. I’m assuming Unsuspecting Foe will be used to setup your Eviscerate so that gives you 105% chance to crit your evis. Add to that you went an additional 5 into Arms so your Evis has a 115% chance to crit on a stunned foe. What I don’t get with this is, are you trying to setup your bursts? Or are you trying to have a good stable crit rate? or both? My rule of thumb is that anything which pushes your crit rate over 100% is waste.

If you are trying to have a stable crit rate and land killer bursts, you should shift the last five points from Arms into Discipline and pickup Heightened Focus. After the precision loss, you will still gain a steady ~7% chance to crit on full adrenaline bursts annnnnd other attacks… plus another 5% crit damage. Granted, you will still have some overkill on your bursts but your steady rate sees a significant improvement.

I have tons more to say depending on what you are building for. I just suggested the above because I assumed you are going for heavy bursts and a decent crit rate.

As a side note, my personal preference is not to run vitality. I run some Valk stuff because my crit rate sits at 70% and 90% with Fury (WvW) and 15 into Arms gives me guaranteed crits on my eviscerate so I have some stat points to play with and don’t want to sacrifice power or crit damage. So anyway, the point I wanted to make is that vitality is a 1-time-use stat. However, power, precision, and toughness contribute throughout the fight. Once that HP is gone those points in vitality are worthless, unless you want a massive HP pool… but no true healers in this game negates, to a degree, the advantages seen in past titles of having a gigantic HP pool. It is great for surviving burst, but you are already running shield and Endure Pain for that… so ask yourself, do you really need that vitality? Or would some Cavaliers suit you better? Or possibly another route.

Shield stun only lasts 1 second dude. So only for 1 skill he can crit on. That does not equate to over 100% crit chance. That equates to 99% of the time his crit chance is what it is…. unless he pops fury….. In which case it becomes 55 which is low by my standards if you need fury to get there.

Heightened Focus. allegedly is text bugged and doesn’t show up in your stats, so its either working or it isn’t and that is 9% not 7% crit chance. And that is only at full adrenaline. So unless you are full adrenaline it does no help for you. Then the moment you use your adrenaline it is of no help to you.

Vitality isn’t a needed stat on warriors. There are a lot of warriors out there that waste stats on vitality. But when you are build to take a lot of damage by adding lots of toughness its better to add more damage than vitality because you already have over 20k hp which is more than some professions have with Full Valk sets.

no its before haste nerf. Warrior sux even more now.

Warlord.9074:

It,s fine but i dont like having slow weapon swaps. You need 15 in dis for weapon swaps. Since you are not using a warhorn or even a traited warhorn with 15 in dis you could of picked up signet mastery so SOR cooled down faster. Thus giving you more uptime on swiftness fury and might. I would of liked to see more Cavilers trinket and or zerkers trinkets.

I also would of liked to see either knights or berserker weapons and either caviler, knights or zerker trinkets. Soldiers gear is ok. It does have good power, the problem with soldier gear is that it has less defense than knights, and it has no precision.

A lot of warriors think that precision is a dead weight stat. And there are better ways to get it like using fury and perception sigil stacking and food. But im a firm believe in the best builds are pure builds. When you go full out precision you can get like 90-100% critical chance. That ends up putting to shame and high power build with low crit chance and crit damage. So yeah the high power build basic attackkitten hard, but a crital chance build with critical power hits harder all of the time.

Vitality is a great stat but when you have like 20-22k base HP in WvW it isnt really that needed. Like it is on an elementalist who barely has 10k hp.

So I think your build needs 15 in dis, more precision and crit damage, and more toughness and less vitality. Then in my esyes it would be good.

instead of 20/20/30/0/0

Try 10/25/20/0/15 yes you lose 10% damage with GS, but you pick up 10% damage to bleeding foes instead. You lose 10 in defense, but you pick up faster weapon swaps, and signet mastery for a 20% CD reduction on signet of rage. If you dont need the signet master, there are several other really good beginner traits in Dis. Might stacking with a shield is one the other is 9% crit chance with full adrenaline.

This again… Its been done and tried before. I have even tried it myself. Its fine for soloing trash mobs. You can face tank 5-6 mobs provided your damage is great enough to kill them before you die. Anything else out side of this it doesn’t work well. And its not viable.

One thing to keep in mind adrenal heath is only working, and only effective at max adrenaline so don’t plan on using any burst skills. Ther dolyack runes are not worth it. I see you think that every bit adds up… but the dolyacks dont cut it.

Cempa.5619:

Forzani.2584:

Cempa.5619:

Forzani.2584:

I like A/S. As asked earlier though, what type of WvW. You will need to be grouped with someone in WvW with this build.

Any response you get means zero if they give you advice without knowing exactly how you plan on playing.

I was looking for some solo and some small group play, I was aiming at being able to solo supply camps!

As much as I like all the weapons I don’t think you can pull off solo with it. You have almost zero mobility…..no weapon movement and swiftness only 50 % of the time (if you use SoR).You won’t be able to catch anyone or run away from zerg….which is why I support the theory that Warriors need a 3rd weapon set !

I can easily solo supply camps with Ranger. Haven’t been able to do it with Warrior yet without kite pulling. A bit of a glassy build you are going to use. Be interesting to see you pull it off soloing a camp.

Got it, so the build could be ok duelling wise but out in the open in WvW others will run away and run me down with ease :/

By the way what build would you use to solo camps (warrior and ranger)?

Seriously try this build. You can use a rifle with it if you want, Just change the GS trait to a Rifle trait. You only going to need a rifle 5% of the time probably.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fIAQNAneRjcOxuBPuQMRCEkCNMLuMUCmQfwOSFEDA-jEyAYLioRqyQ0oPgJwioxWGLiGruGT5GIVsStMAMjB-w

High hp means nothing. Without sustain. High defense is more important than high hp. protection offers more defense than toughness does. High damage is great if its reliable but its not reliable in pvp. You have great unreliable damage with high HP that is un sustainable, possibly great defense at the cost of losing unreliable damage but not better than a class with protection and reliable damage.

Scoobaniec.9561:

As Varonth said. Think outside of box.

We need better sustain, thats a fact.
Better condition removal? A bit, but not much highter from current place.
Lacking of vigor? Pick up warhorn with quick breathing trait and tell me that again.

Also engineer constans protection? Should i move to their forum and link what did u just said? They will have nice time talking with you.

warhorn doesnt remove 4 conditions it removes 2 if traited. 1 for each skill and it always removes the movments ones traited or not. Its great and its not. Its great becasue it is whakitten is. ts bad if your using it for condi removal. A. beacuse it costs 20 points to make it remove 2 condtions which are not instant adn you pick up 2 useless minor traits. . and B becasue it takes up a weapon slot and it does not damage. It offers little damage mitigation as its done via weakness which can be removed from and enemy and you still will take damage regardless. A shield is still better for damage mitigation.

engineer
*Protective Shield (I Invetions): Gain protection for 3 seconds when you are hit with a critical attack 20 second cooldown.
*Protection Injection (VI Alchemy): Gain protection for 3 seconds whenever you are disabled. (stun, daze, knockdown, knockback, launch, float, sink, fear). This effect can trigger once every 5 seconds.

TLDR warhorns are great I use them, but they are not the solution. you dont know about engineers.

Leo G.4501:

Lighter.5631:

Condition Damage – Only bleeds, capped at 25 and other profs have bleeds too (OK)

There are only 4 damaging conditions, 3 of which that are actually good at dealing damage…
Confusion: really only Engineer and Mesmer can use these effectively.
Poison: doesn’t do much damage regardless of condition damage boosting.
Bleed: warrior can be set up to apply this well.
Burn: longbow does this pretty nicely too.

So what exactly is with the complain of “only bleeds” for?

My biggest gripe about bleeds a condition builds in general. For a warrior to get decent condition damage to make the condition damage viable. It loses raw DPS. Once that happens and a warrior applies lets say a 25 stack blled to an enemy, the enemy then clears the condition. Now were are at the stage where you cant just re apply the 25 stacks of bleed becasue you threw everything out there to get it. And you dont have raw dps or basic attack damage. So its veryy gimpy to build they way.

I have tried this build in wvw. It may work fine in PVE becasue mobs dont clear conditions but in pvp it doesnt work

Navzar.2938:

Well if you’re running healing shouts, you’ll probably being running cleric’s gear right? So you’ll be healing around 2k a shout. I don’t think the trait itself is bad, it’s pretty decent for a grandmaster level. The problem is that the minor traits in that line kind of suck.

Right so not only is your dps and your weapon dps bad but now your dps is just awefull becasue your weaning clerics gear. GG you can have all the healing in the world but if you cant kill anyone than it makes no difference. And get kited and ganked. I really think your warrior should stick with the zerg becasue its the only thing saving you from death and its killing everything for you.

Dont think so my average eviscerate is 8k with knights gear a melandru runes. Someone on here just posted a vid of hitting 12k eviscerates in spvp think again. The biggest thing you are forgetin is players who don’t spec shouts can spec much more points in precision str and crit damage. the auto attack on and axe is 1/4 1/4 1/2 mace is 1/2 1/2 1/2 you are also leaving out whirlwind attack on GS which can hit very high.

The last part you are leaving out is a hammer warrior is easily the easyest target becasue they are the most sus-acceptable to be kited.

Varonth.5830:

Warlord.9074:

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Your wrong and this is why.

Point #1
“fairly powered cc” On paper in practice the power is weak, becasue you have sacrificed all of your power to heal for 1k per shout. You have picked up in the process many useless minor traits wasting your potential. Your weapon swaps are very slow. Causing a majority of your attacks to be auto attacks. probably with a hammer which is very slow. You have a aoe immobilize but thats not really stopping compitent players. You have earth shaker but your burst skills have long cool downs. you have a single target knockdown and an aoe knock back thats not stopping anyone with stability or stun breakers. you have an aoe fear thats on an 80 sec CD and again its not stopping competent players. Adding this all up its not as good in practice as in reality.

Point #2 Condition removal. You have condi removal but besides shake it off it only removes 1 condi. If you remove immobilize and get immobilized again after that you will get shut down. There is no prioritization in the condi removal if you have a blled and a chill on you a lot of cases it will remove the bleed not the chill for example. You still end up getting shut down.

Point #3 the traited warhorn skills are great but that has nothing to do with being a shout build.

Point#4 becasue all of the reasons I stated above most warriors are moving away from shout builds to melandru builds.

Point#6 Once you go a shout build you are married to those utilities and that armor and you cannot fill any other roll you cannot remove conditions without that spec. you have caused yourself to have no utility and less damage and a way to remve condis that doesn’t that great but that works. You have basically kitten yourself for subpar condi removal and bad healing that wont really stop you from getting bursted down.

I hate to repeat this over and over and over, but Hammer isn’t that much slower. It’s ~10% slower then greatsword autoattack, but on the same time it deals:

• 28.7%
• 28.7%
• 33.3%

more damage than the greatsword autoattack.
So the actual DPS is higher on Hammer autoattack then it is on GS autoattack.

Since you are speccing into tactics, you give up no traitpoint when taking the warhorn convert trait, a reason why shout healing often goes hand in hand with warhorn condi remove.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fIAQNBiYDbE0J5t5x6hJOAcKok6RbwFX6hYslGA-TkAA0CvIySllLLTWyssZNQA

Yes, you can actually use valkyrie’s because with unsuspecting foe, you get a 81-88% chance to critical strike stunned foes.
I should note, that the Sigil of Paralyzation actually adds 1s to Earthshaker not 15% (well 15% would be worthless, as it wouldn’t affect any skill), so it becomes a 3s AoE stun.

It also allows for different modifications. Want more sustained/burst damage? Well switch out leg specialist for empowered (2% per boon, basically you get damage boosts like eles but without the low base damage).

Want to use your burst skills less often but have boonhate? No problem, not change in traitpoints needed.

More Signet use? Well 2 possible choices to change.
More shouts but less condi remove/boon giving from warhorn? Also available.

You can also switch your second weapon. Sword is the maximum mobility option with good control via Flurry.
Mace is the maximum CC option with another 3s stun (sigil again) and 1s daze.
Axe is the maximum DPS option, with Eviscerate and probably the highest autoattack damage (which you could also use after stunning the enemy via earthshaker, for extreme critrate).

And don’t forget, your shouts aren’t just heals for you. They give you good boons, with long durations (30% bonus duration). They give those to allies (and there are classes and builds with really bad access to fury). You are also healing these allies. And you are removing conditions aswell.
That build is not made for bunkering. It is made to clear a guarded point, even if guarded by multiple enemies with your team.

Hammer is not only slower but its auto attacks are slower. This is the biggest deal breaker on the hammer. Guess what both 100blades, and Eviscerate do more damage in 1 skill than a hammer does in every singe skill combined. I dont know where you get your math from.

B: Hammer doesnt have nearly as many damage modifiers. Hammer cant stack might on critical for one. Hammer is absolutely slower and does less damage than an Axe and a GS. In fact Rifles do more damage than hammers even.

SFShinigami.2015:

Dont run SoR! You have bags to give us!

My bags are worth more than me I’m so broke.

kyro.8162:

Warlord.9074:

kyro.8162:

SFShinigami.2015:

Warlord.9074:

Sleepyy.1598:

Kryyg.8576:

Does anyone else feel like SoR should break up their NA?

It’s getting tiring now.

Go into one BL you hit CHOO.
Go to another BL you hit FEAR.
Go into another BL you hit TSYM.
Try BL #4 and you get TW.

That’s not even including all the other WvW guilds that they have.

Why should they break up?

Ty btw.

We play on NA servers. We have NA guilds. Your a NA server with not many NA guilds that relies on non NA coverage why should that be our problem. The way I see it we are the normal server here.

Everyone thinks they, themselves, are normal.

Everyone is normal

I know that I’m not normal.

Oh but you are. The thing is EVERYONE is unique, and if everyone is unique, everyone is normal.

your right if your definition of normal is unique. not going to argue with that one :P

kyro.8162:

SFShinigami.2015:

Warlord.9074:

Sleepyy.1598:

Kryyg.8576:

Does anyone else feel like SoR should break up their NA?

It’s getting tiring now.

Go into one BL you hit CHOO.
Go to another BL you hit FEAR.
Go into another BL you hit TSYM.
Try BL #4 and you get TW.

That’s not even including all the other WvW guilds that they have.

Why should they break up?

Ty btw.

We play on NA servers. We have NA guilds. Your a NA server with not many NA guilds that relies on non NA coverage why should that be our problem. The way I see it we are the normal server here.

Everyone thinks they, themselves, are normal.

Everyone is normal

I know that I’m not normal.

I quess what I’m trying to say I don’t know how it is on euro servers but how many of them say there are too many euro players on a T1 euro server and their euro players need to be broken up.

Sleepyy.1598:

Kryyg.8576:

Does anyone else feel like SoR should break up their NA?

It’s getting tiring now.

Go into one BL you hit CHOO.
Go to another BL you hit FEAR.
Go into another BL you hit TSYM.
Try BL #4 and you get TW.

That’s not even including all the other WvW guilds that they have.

Why should they break up?

Ty btw.

We play on NA servers. We have NA guilds. Your a NA server with not many NA guilds that relies on non NA coverage why should that be our problem. The way I see it we are the normal server here.

vapor.5390:

Your looking things wrong, you dont spec to be healing warrior, you play as if you were just a healing warrior. When you spec to that you spec yourself to a well armored, fairly powered cc warrior with strong physical damage migitation, ok condition removal and access to regenerate health to himself and his allies at required time with minimal effort. Plus support warrior can also give wings(vigor/swiftness) to those in party who have not included them in their own builds.
I cant see how any class lacks survivability if it is able to solo highlevel champions and bosses with melee weapons.
If you only see healing power from cleric stats then your other eye must be closed.
I also use oftenly build that makes me paper with sharp edges and i use build that makes me last and keep everyone around me alive including myself. So im just quessing that either your builds does not work or you have not completely embraced its potential yet.

Your wrong and this is why.

Point #1
“fairly powered cc” On paper in practice the power is weak, becasue you have sacrificed all of your power to heal for 1k per shout. You have picked up in the process many useless minor traits wasting your potential. Your weapon swaps are very slow. Causing a majority of your attacks to be auto attacks. probably with a hammer which is very slow. You have a aoe immobilize but thats not really stopping compitent players. You have earth shaker but your burst skills have long cool downs. you have a single target knockdown and an aoe knock back thats not stopping anyone with stability or stun breakers. you have an aoe fear thats on an 80 sec CD and again its not stopping competent players. Adding this all up its not as good in practice as in reality.

Point #2 Condition removal. You have condi removal but besides shake it off it only removes 1 condi. If you remove immobilize and get immobilized again after that you will get shut down. There is no prioritization in the condi removal if you have a blled and a chill on you a lot of cases it will remove the bleed not the chill for example. You still end up getting shut down.

Point #3 the traited warhorn skills are great but that has nothing to do with being a shout build.

Point#4 becasue all of the reasons I stated above most warriors are moving away from shout builds to melandru builds.

Point#6 Once you go a shout build you are married to those utilities and that armor and you cannot fill any other roll you cannot remove conditions without that spec. you have caused yourself to have no utility and less damage and a way to remve condis that doesn’t that great but that works. You have basically kitten yourself for subpar condi removal and bad healing that wont really stop you from getting bursted down.

Karkas are pretty easy to solo. I run a specific build just for killing karkas though. Axe/sword + Axe/Shiled. Trait Defense Reflect projectiles. Put your sword or shield block up right before the karkas volly. Karka should be half dead now and your still full hp finish it off now.

But back to your build dude. mainly what you did wrong is you traited useless things, or you didnt add enough points into the trait line to get the useful things.

Vigorous Return is only use full if you go down and rally. It should be your mission not to go down to begin with. Embrace the pain is ok but its not needed. if you want to add 20 points in defense get dogged march and last stand or reflect projectiles.

If you want to add 20 points in tactics get Empowered you get more damage per boon. and leg specialist you immobilize when use a cripple skill. Or quick breathing if your using a warhorn.

Discipline is actually useful for at least 15 points for faster weapon swaps. I usually put at a minimum of 15 points in the line no mater what build im running.

Arms is very usless with only 10 points. Arms doesn’t truly shine unless you put 25 points in it or 20 if using a gs.

Lastly strenth is ok. Biggest problem with it is berserkers power only really shines when your full adrenaline the moment u use a burst skill its gone. When you go really deep in strenth to pick up other skills that add 10% damage or 5% damage or whatever, its kinda not making you better becasue there are other ways to get that damage without putting 20 or 30 points there.

Knighthonor.4061:

Change Warhorn abilities into Shout mechanic wise. this way is works with Vigorous Shouts, which is our only active support role heal.

This way we can carry at least 1 banner (outside of Rez Banner) as well as 4 shouts

Theres absolutely no reason to run shout builds anymore. When I say shout builds I mean soldier runes. The current meta is Melandru runes + dogged march + lemon grass. You may say this is a selfish build but your wrong. If you want to put FGJ and Shake it off on your bar and trait a warhorn you still can. But the benifits from not having to blow your shouts to remove those kind of conditions frees them up to when you need to remove a poisen or a bleed. I want to say though that with -65% condition duration most conditions are not going to hurt you when you have regeneration and water fields.

So what does that mean well it means instad of dumping 30 points in tactics you could dump 20 for leg specialist and quick breathing. which then allows you to put 30 in discipline. Why? because you can get burst mastery then. Why is burst mastery so awesome? Becasue if your a hammer warrior for example you can use earth shaker more frequently. That alone would help your team more than healing 5 people for 1k hp and removing a condition that may or may not exist in the first place and in many cases there condi removal is way better than your and the heal is basically worthless on top of it.

So somthing like 0/0/20/20/30 is way better than 0/0/30/30/10

server is working for me.

Lifewaster.5912:

Thiefz.3695:

I see three rings in that screen shot. 1 ring on the eastern wall. Two rings in the center. Where did the other 2 AOE’s come from? Are you sure they didn’t AC through the door’s gap?

The outer wall ring was a dragon tooth.

I was running above the gate looking for their acs , there was no carts placed there using the usual area to aim through the hole above the gate, the only cart I could find firing at the time of the red circles was at the side corner outside as show.

But if its legit using an eyefinity setup, that would be good to know at least.

You say aiming the cart through the whole in the door like that is a legit thing yet condemn other means. Let me ask what difference does it make. In order to look through the hole above the door are you not rotating your camera and building AC in very specific spots. Sounds 1 in the same to me bro.

gebrechen.5643:

MagiKarp.8201:

Have you never seen a volley of arrows before? its like Warfare 101

I never have used an ac in reality, but I know how it works. And even in reality you have a minimum angle to fire if you are too close to a wall or you can try to shoot them straight up and hope the wind carries all those arrows away from you.
But GW2 is far away from reality, which doesn’t make exploits legit

Good argument bro and on the way out dont forget to man that arrow cart behind the door.

I know this is a game but in reality arrows can shoot over walls. Thing with arrow carts is the projectiles don’t originate from the source. They sort of magically reign from the sky. I don’t see how its much different from setting acs behind doors. And magically hitting rams and people outside that you cant see when inside. Yet no one is complaining about this. I thought the fix with catas being able to hit rams outside of the door through aoe damage was a good fix. That was just a dumb game mechanic and in reality unlike arrows rocks don’t fly through doors.

So if you are placing acs behind doors to hit rams and people please stop your crying its highly hypocritical you utilizing the same game mechanic.

I heard a Rumor that in the sometime near future anet is going to merge some servers. IDK if HoD is on that list or not.

Nuvo.5014:

JQ is Full and u want transfers. lol Why don’t u try to make the ppl inside the server play wvw, Instead of coming here.

You would be surprised by this and I’m sorry if this is insulting to JQ. But Since JQ has been the best all these PVE people xfered to the server to get the WvW bonuses as they apply to PVE. They wanted the extra 2k HP lol and to get map completion in WvW.

I mean maybe some of them came for that and then ended up staying becasue JQ has a great community. I’m going out on a limb to say that these people don’t pvp they just came to JQ to leech off the hard work of the PVPers. leech isnt the right word maybe take advantage of it is a better word but you get what I’m saying. I know this sounds really mean but I don’t know how to put it nicely so sorry to the PVE JQ people who don’t wvw if you read this.

I’m not from JQ I’m from SoR and I support this. JQ could use a “little” help. I say little becasue they are still a very stacked server compared to the one that you will be xfering off. They really could use like 1 good NA guild. They lost a good chuck of players recently but its not so many that they cant recover. Basically my intentions are simple prevent JQ from falling to T2 but I don’t want them to be over powered.. Thats it. So think about it.

This is the pros of Xfering to JQ.

Pros they have very strong sea presence so if you play NA you wont feel like your getting night capped all the time.

Pretty high PVE population, like others in this thread were wsaying why doesn’t JQ just get their people to do WvW I dont know the answer to this, but you shouldn’t have any problem finding dungeon partys or pve help.

Cons.

Its Jay Que they say they dont have ques maybe thats true. during NA so maybe a pro or a con depending on how you look at it.

Their forum warriors are trolls.

Not sure how you can compliment someone but insult them at the same time im pretty good at that. Anyways ya JQ needs ur help.

zeus.2375:

Warlord.9074:

……….I am not naming specific names you guys know who you are. Some people in this thread have basically stated that SoR only wins becasue its an event.. Don’t make me find these posts and quote them. Others are saying that the addition of one EU guild is the only reason SoR has done so well. We have been accused from everything from zoom hacking to being skill less blobs who run through opponents trying to run a melee train on them. Nothing bothers me more than for my server and my mates to be littled in this way. …….

Seriously, which server in T1 hasn’t been accused of these things. There are plenty more where those came from. Don’t take it too personal. Trolls gonna troll. Take it easy

I know I’ve decided to stay off the forums from now on if its wvw related. Reading this stuff really makes me upset and I end up posting things that are mean. Gl all done with the forums. GL BG hope you guys can get your acts together. JQ you can turn this around. I hope you can get a couple good guilds to move to replace EMP and your baddies that left.

I just want to make it clear that I never chest thumped in this thread, if it came off that way it wasn’t my intent. By no means does anything I say represent anyones opinions but my own. SoR you have done a fantastic job this week.

I am not naming specific names you guys know who you are. Some people in this thread have basically stated that SoR only wins becasue its an event.. Don’t make me find these posts and quote them. Others are saying that the addition of one EU guild is the only reason SoR has done so well. We have been accused from everything from zoom hacking to being skill less blobs who run through opponents trying to run a melee train on them. Nothing bothers me more than for my server and my mates to be littled in this way. Simply put if you didnt understand what I wrote or you took it the wrong way you need to realize you need to get your act together. SoR has done a fantastic job this week, don’t try to down play our success with blame shifting or constant QQing that we get one EU guild when your server has run traditionally over 400ppt to 500ppt for weeks and months during these time slots when we have been completely out manned in the past on every single map.

I hope you guys are right. But I did PVE too I got both the back pack skins in only a couple hours the day the event came out…SoRs Southsun has been full all week. The moment anyone from SoR ques Southsun they get put in an overflow. I also did state that part of the problem is the event, but you also need to realize that you cant shift blame to an event, when all the other servers are doing it too. Especially considering the event is very short and not difficult at all. I got the skins in a couple hours and being done with it. The day of the event I was in wvw and there were quite a few people runing around with the new back packs already and this was only hours after it came out.

Robot Chocken.7012:

Warlord.9074:

You guys can hate what I said and get upset whatever. Its how I see it, Rumor is JQ lost EMP or at least half of it this shouldn’t be enough to kill a server. BG is not short of players and just won last week. So either there is a sliver of truth to what I’m saying or BG is throwing the match and JQ is breaking apart in a domino effect.

SO what guild are you in so I can give them a proper HzH experience?

Dude maybe if you spent less time making threats and trying to be tough on the forum, and more time commanding and being tough in game you could beat my guild but doesn’t look like the case.

Krakah.3582:

Warlord.9074:

Krakah.3582:

Are you that bitter you would wish for last few competitive servers to just collapse with a dwindling overall PvP population?

If two out of the Big3 servers aren’t fielding players you may want to check your ego at the door, since the state of the game should be considered in a bad place for everyone. Wins with low competition are no fun.

No im not bitter im just trying to get to the truth. Are you guys throwing the match or are you guys just not fielding players. Whats the truth. Because the rumor is BG is intentionally throwing the match.

No known sankittenging of the match from BG guilds. JQ no idea why it’s a ghost town.

By no means am I happy about it. Al I ever wanted is balanced matchups, I never cared about wining or losing. I just log in to WvW most of the time to roam and 1v1, do small ops on my own….. I hope I’m wrong about it but seems like JQ has HOD Syndrome. Probably that is whats causing it. Without a strong third server. Nothing is there to keep BG or SoR in Check. It becomes a 2 way battle between SoR and BG or somthing. Worst case scenario It will be BG/SoR/and DB in the near future.

You guys can hate what I said and get upset whatever. Its how I see it, Rumor is JQ lost EMP or at least half of it this shouldn’t be enough to kill a server. BG is not short of players and just won last week. So either there is a sliver of truth to what I’m saying or BG is throwing the match and JQ is breaking apart in a domino effect.

Krakah.3582:

Warlord.9074:

BG pugs don’t want to play wvw when they are losing. They see they are going to lose and just give up. If BG doesn’t do better next week I expect the whole server to fall apart. The rest of the casual WvW on BG are doing PVE and cant be bothered to play WvW when they are getting new skins.

The moment BG starts losing all the pugs get demoralized and dont want to play. Same with JQ. BG beats JQ one week and JQ gets demoralized then throws in the towel. I Really feel Unless your servers are winning none of the people who just came to your server to win will log in to play. You guys have a lot of these fair weather players that are only about wining. The moment the server starts losing these people quit or go find another server they can win on.

Are you that bitter you would wish for last few competitive servers to just collapse with a dwindling overall PvP population?

If two out of the Big3 servers aren’t fielding players you may want to check your ego at the door, since the state of the game should be considered in a bad place for everyone. Wins with low competition are no fun.

No im not bitter im just trying to get to the truth. Are you guys throwing the match or are you guys just not fielding players. Whats the truth. Because the rumor is BG is intentionally throwing the match.

Waage.2047:

Ljiona.9142:

What I have seen from IRON, they are able to cover 2-3 maps with 20-25 people. I played at lunch the other day in JQ BL. We had out-maned buff. As soon as our keep got hit from a large force of 25+, IRON ported in and defended. The enemy was wiped, they ported to another map and we had out-manned buff again. They really don’t have that many. They are super organized and have fast reaction time. I think the other servers just need to adapt to their play style. Defend what you have and take stuff in other maps that is not defended.

The old days of taking everything on a map then moving to another map isn’t going to work with IRON.

Are you even in IRON? Or even a major commander during the EU time slot??

Iron fields like 20-30 players and map hops…. from BL to BL.. not per map, maybe it looks like that to yiou becasue they are constantly hoping from map to map but in reality its more like 20-30 players And besides the IRON guys theres not a lot of others on except pugs. Its IRON + PUGs and Randoms. True story that all.

Waage.2047:

Zaeon.3846:

Lol. I can’t stop laughing. The most I’ve seen IRON fielded was 20-25 member per map and yet you read about all these QQ’s and panic and ‘omg their eu coverage is now superstacked’. This is just priceless. BG got thousands of new transfer several weeks ago. Now SoR got no more than 70 IRON’s and bam! the paranoia and panic ensues.

Just have fun and play for the moment.

Zero drama forever

Yes and RK has 15-20 members on one map during EU and we are the only active EU guild on BG that can do things alone on a larger scale. IRON have +30 main roam force with 5-10 members they leave as a defense and scout force.

Then where is TW 15-25 man force that is also active during a lot of EU prime.

There is also a handful of other SoR guilds, but IRON and TW are the big bad during EU prime. They are great fun to fight and i take great pleasure in being the underdog in EU.

since when was bg an underdog in EU primetime? This sounds like crying wolf to me. You may not have a lot of Organized EU guilds, but you do have lots and lots of pugs as well as sea guilds that sometimes stay up late in that time slot. You guys have never been short of players or even random pugs to fuel your mercenarys during this time.

BG pugs don’t want to play wvw when they are losing. They see they are going to lose and just give up. If BG doesn’t do better next week I expect the whole server to fall apart. The rest of the casual WvW on BG are doing PVE and cant be bothered to play WvW when they are getting new skins.

The moment BG starts losing all the pugs get demoralized and dont want to play. Same with JQ. BG beats JQ one week and JQ gets demoralized then throws in the towel. I Really feel Unless your servers are winning none of the people who just came to your server to win will log in to play. You guys have a lot of these fair weather players that are only about wining. The moment the server starts losing these people quit or go find another server they can win on.

hammer and off hand mace is great for group play the CC can help your party. Hammer and mace is all about disabling and CC. Its not a offensive weapon like and axe for example. Axe is just for doing damage its not a CC weapon. In 1v1 its not about CCing as much as it is downing your enemy and finishing them. How exatly do you plan on downing somone with a weapon with slow attack that is used for CC. I don’t understand what you dont understand the mechanics are very simple.

if u want to 1v1 use an Spvp type build GS/Axe/shield. If you want to run with the group and zerg or whatever hammer and off hand mace is your friend.

Ascii.9726:

History in the making. Some quick facts about SoR.

• We began 17th place, and are now projected for 1st place.
• We have never dropped down a tier only risen.
• We have only ever dropped a rank within a tier twice (both times in T1 from 2nd to 3rd).
• Every major guild that has joined SoR competes in WvW and has never left.
• Our TeamSpeak is 2nd most active server in NA and 10th world wide averaging 250 people an hour and just under 2600 users.

Things are only looking up! Good job to everyone who has made this possible and remember i take 95% of the credit due because of my insane siege masteries.

Not entirely true we lost ND to BG. I remember BG was beating us every week, and demoralizing our Sea players so badly that they convinced them that their best chance to get to T1 would be to transfer off of SoR to move to BG. We all know how that went though. 2 weeks later we moved up to T1 and BG dropped back down to T2 again.

oxide.8324:

Ascii.9726:

I still dont get it. BG had no issues or worries about ‘balance’ when they recieved pretty much every major guild from KN and was ticking 400+ pretty much perm.

Now SoR received 1 euro guild and have good fortune in regards to playing smart and the enemy playing sloppy its suddenly a broken T1 that’s unbalanced and will be for months.

BG and JQ have more players on there servers then SoR, even right now at midday UK time. IRON’s 100 people transferring over wasn’t enough to push our status from Very High to Full so the gap between them 2 ratings must be a large.
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You need to motivate your servers community to get into WvW. SoR has an amazing community and we assign every guild we know off to a borderland at reset night (apart from Ace he solos SoR-BL for us).
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Why do people from SoR keep posting screenshots showing how JQ/BG are ‘full’ and SoR is ‘very high’? A lot of the players that make JQ/BG ‘full’ are casual with very little interest in WvW. Most of them probably transferred for the sole reason of getting map completion. The only thing that motivates these players to play WvW is seeing that their server is already doing well and is in 1st. SoR being the underdog of T1 for so long doesn’t have many of these players. Win a few weeks and SoR will be full too.

Ya on sor we always lose and people always come and play wvw. And we dont want your baddies, you can keep them. I was saying I hope all the baddies from JQ and BG don’t come to SoR if we win, we don’t want them..

Masamoon.3864:

Tarkus.4109:

tl;dr: Props to the SoR oceanics that actually have skill, and remember most of what you see on a forum is probably wrong – be skeptical, if not cynical about most of what people say on a public forum.

As a guy who normally stays up and commands sometimes during Oceanic. I find some of the things very hard to believe. Our mainly force is normally the HIRE and co forces and a smallish force keeping things tidy in SoR BL. OCX doesn’t raid every night, nor do they field close to what HIRE does, AFS normally comes out a bit later. When we were at ~100 PPT last night, there was really only HIRE trying to cover four maps. Oceanic is probably our weakest point.

THis is true, I’ve been on a lot during both oceanic and euro time slots as well as NA. The difference is night and day. During Oceanic and Euro usually SoR can only hold 2 keeps and a few towers on two maps. BG and JQ BLs are not even tapped most of the times. And on the BLs where we do have people the numbers are sparse and its map hoping back and forth. We get one guild in a time slot we have never had more than 10 people on a BL most of the time that we are getting destroyed every day in. BG need to step your game up stop relying on SoR to be outmanned all the time same with JQ. I honestly belive you guys were relying on the fact that SoR had no one on during these time slots that your very strong in and have been slacking. Now your going to have to play.