Guild Wars 2

I agree with AlBundy. Everything he said is true.

The problem with the warrior Is simple. The only thing warrior is Excels at is sustained PBAOE. Anything outside of sustained PBAOE that a warrior any other profession can do it better than the warrior.

Let me explain. Warriors main strength comes from melee skills that rely on precision, strength and crit power. They do have ranged options like rifle which also relies on the same stats. Long bows are more condition based.

As far as the ranged options are concerned they are there, and there are notable skills like crit shot and the aoe skills on the longbow. But outside of that any other profession that specializes in range is better than a warrior at range because they not only have better ranged capabilities and or damage but they have sustainability which is what the warrior lacks.

You can build your warrior to have better sustainability at the cost of the only thing warriors are good at Sustained PBAOE. You also will have no utility. So that leaves you with nothing better than another profession and when I say nothing better I mean you are worst off.

Reason is those other professions can have great damage, sustainability, range everything without the same sacrifices. Their utilities don’t have ridiculous cool downs without being traited, their useful traits are not buried deep in trait lines that don’t benefit them like warriors. Their minor traits actually help them. etc etc.

So there you go warriors problem is the traitline itself. Its been said. Over and Over. The potential is there. That guy at ANET said “we dont want warriors to be OP” We dont want warriors to be like the Tarran race player on Star Craft 2.’ If warrior was OP what would it be like when that guy got a hold of it" All I can say is bullkitten man give warrior to anyone now and it would not be anything like that. Perhaps thats what you want. But give that person any other one of your professions and they can be god at it the same thing that you are preaching against. Is that a problem with the other professions? NO the problem is with the warrior. So what are you going to do nerf the other professions the same way you nerfed warriors into the ground in open beta and then never came up with a solution to make up for what you did to them. No you just nerfed them into the ground and left them like that. While every month you boost some other professions. And warriors get what bug fixes? LOL fix all the bugs on the warriors it will still be subpar to everything else. And guess what there are still big bugs. Shields not blocking all attacks, endure pain not mitigation conditions just to name a few.

covenn.7165:

Thobek.1730:

Doomdesire.9365:

SoR only 3K away from SoS! We’re making a giant push!

sigh. SoR are becoming the new JQ… happy with just being in T1 and not winning.

/edit – before you jump down my throat someone said it on the SoS BL’s earlier today about SoS and SoR which I agree “we are both fighting against each other to be the best loser”

think about it.

Are you really complaining about SoR fighting you? Let me clue you in, we don’t just fight you, we fight JQ as well. In fact, we spent most of our time last night in JQ fighting JQ. We would have been able to do a better job of it if SoS hadn’t kept interfering and forcing us to pull off of our garrison attempts.

Using your logic, why are you guys fighting for second place and being the best loser?

I remeber SoR BL we treb JQ Hills from stargrove… Everything is going good. here come SoS Kills us and destroys our trebs. Don’t know what tactical advantage that gave SoS. On our BL hitting JQ. Interfering with us. That is playing for second. Sure its a 3 way fight. Not QQ here just making example of counter productiveness of SoS.

JQ was winning you guys sabotage us for no reason at all. Dont QQ you have no room to QQ.

Its over, no more QQ this week. Learn from it. Move on. Don’t make same mistakes next week.

The thing with your build that is really good is at being a meat shield. I think its great if you have support DDs running with you. With solder runes you can heal them remove the conditions, with hammer and mace you can cc. If this is what your going for its great. But basically you need to have others kill things for you is what I’m trying to get at. Its tanky but gurdians can do it better even bunker eles can do it better. Not only tank better but do great damage without the huge sacrifice warriors have to go through in attack power to attempt to mimic what guardains or eles can do. Most my experience comes from WvW running this build. In SPVP there is a hammer build pretty similar to your own its called the captain hammer build http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe3ZiX8_M8U Which is what you have. pretty much. Watch the whole video he gives a very good explanation of it. In WvW though its worst cuz your dealing with unbalanced pvp. And people can kite you more worst than spvp.

Note in the video he says hes healing for 2090 with shouts… Shouts have been nerfed since this video.

Also this is during open beta in Spvp and none of the people he is fighting know how to play. So just because he is doing good means a lot less.

Nuked.2360:

Warlord.9074:

SmokeyNYY.7841:

Was SoR really ticking at 0 at one point lol? I don’t get where those supposed 1500 oceanic’s that transferred over are? To be honest I haven’t seen one of those guilds running with any sort of numbers this week and I am up at all hours of the night.

Yes and no. 1500 is a gross estimate and no where near remotely accurate. More like in the hundreds of players many of whom were not oceaniac not thousands. NYS has been on a lot. I do play SEA time often enough if you gave me a list of guilds I could tell you if they have been on or not.

Yes we were ticking at 0 at one time of this match up and it has nothing to do with SEA and everything to do with low euro coverage during the time you are in class 8am est to 3pm est we have like almost no one online during these times. note that 9am est is like 1am Sydney Australian time. So SEA coverage does not help at all in this time bracket especially during weekdays.

I was talking 8am Pacific. Also keep in mind given what I know from SEA this is in the midst of their primetime. I may be wrong but we have quite a few SEA whose prime starts @ 5am Pacific time and runs for about 4 -6hrs.

8 AM pacific is the same thing as is like 12 pm eastern that is a Euro Time slot. That puts the time at about 5 pm in Great Brittan UTC +0 and well after that in +1 +2 +3 and +4 at 6,7,8,9 pm respectfully.

During the weekdays I think a lot of people don’t play after prime time anywhere. When your refering to US primetime that is no later than 10 or 11 pm. So on the weekedays if people get on its usually after work and dinner. which normally for like a 9-5 job is 6-7 pm and they play for a couple hours and go to bed. So at that time estimate that is well after SEA primetime.

But yeah at 5am pacific that is late at night in SEA between 9 and 11. more like 11 pm for aussies. After that they are going to sleep. So after 5am we have no coverage on weekdays almost.

Weekends totally different scenario. We have NA players staying up till SEA primtime and waking up in the mornings and playing after sea is over, and sea players stay up and playing till well into euro time.

SmokeyNYY.7841:

Was SoR really ticking at 0 at one point lol? I don’t get where those supposed 1500 oceanic’s that transferred over are? To be honest I haven’t seen one of those guilds running with any sort of numbers this week and I am up at all hours of the night.

Yes and no. 1500 is a gross estimate and no where near remotely accurate. More like in the hundreds of players many of whom were not oceaniac not thousands. NYS has been on a lot. I do play SEA time often enough if you gave me a list of guilds I could tell you if they have been on or not.

Yes we were ticking at 0 at one time of this match up and it has nothing to do with SEA and everything to do with low euro coverage during the time you are in class 8am est to 3pm est we have like almost no one online during these times. note that 9am est is like 1am Sydney Australian time. So SEA coverage does not help at all in this time bracket especially during weekdays.

Right as I was saying because I have ran this build. There is no spike damage or good damage in general. You need to be able to spike people down to kill them or you simply wont. If you run into any kinda bunker class like an ele or a gurdian you will never kill them. They can out heal anything you can throw at them. A lot of other professions will be able to kill you a lot faster than you can kill them as well making all of that defense a moot point because they have better ways of damage mitigation besides a warrior just having a high hp pool to soak up damage. So like I said it maybe fine with running with a group and maybe you can CC witha hammer or whatnot to try to help them. But might stacking isn’t anything special to your build any build can pop FGJ and SoR and if using a traited GS youll get 20 stacks easly. But just having a shield alone and maybe endure pain a glass cannon can have every bit of survivability as you so something to think about.

I’ve tried it, It works fine in pve. You can use omniberry pies to leech hp 66% , and cant remember the name but a sigil to leech hp when crit33% might be water. And use axe main hand with the leeching sigil it has fastest attack. Use adrenal healing healing signet. And you can heal pretty good if you have some condition removal like soldier runes…. But for PVP or wvw forget about it. Because you need big healing little healing over time won’t work.

Its not an all around build but if all you do is PVE trash mobs or do certain types of dungeons where that is going to be good enough healing its fine.

I wont get into thief’s A-Nets take on how the assassin/ stealth rouge class should be played and balanced is way out of line as far as the mmo industry in general conceptualizes it to be played. Its very broken in how often it can stealth and that damage done to a cloaked player doesn’t bring it out of stealth. Like it should.

i’m pretty confident that if you hit something hidden you should know where it is because you hit it and it should be no longer hidden but it doesn’t work that way in GW2 you don’t even see numbers.

Ya the holy trinity system does work thats why everyone uses that. It was refreshing to see the A-NET wanted to do something different and we all enjoy it in PVE.

In PVP the whole everyone can do everything is seriously flawed. That is why before ANET did it no one in thier right mind has done it. Turning a mage into a Cleric,Tank,Ranged DD and debuffer all at the same time. Since they can be everything build is one of the most un thought out things I think ANET did.

That is just an example. The problem comes in that even though they had the mindset to make every profession be able to fill every roll they failed at that miserably. And really didn’t give every profession equal powers they gave some way too many and made their skill trees so easy to build to make powerful and others they slacked on and made their skill trees very limiting in how they can build warrior for example.

I wont get into thief’s A-Nets take on how the assassin/ stealth rouge class should be played and balanced is way out of line as far as the mmo industry in general conceptualizes it to be played. Its very broken in how often it can stealth and that damage done to a cloaked player doesn’t bring it out of stealth. Like it should.

i’m pretty confident that if you hit something hidden you should know where it is because you hit it and it should be no longer hidden but it doesnt work that way in GW2 you don’t even see numbers.

Ya the issue with aoes is they are tooo strong thats why they are capped at 5 targets. Thats also why zerging and turtleing is so effective vs smaller numbers. They could remove the AOE cap but not without scaling aoe damage. For example the aoe hits a single target at full strength but the more targets it hits the less power it hits each target. Its like this lets say your an ele and you firestorm 20 people you can hit all 20 for them but your damage is divided by 20. so instead of hiting each one of them for 2k a hit your hitting each one for 200 a hit or something. With proper scalling they can uncap aoes. This game just doesn’t have aoe scaling which is a flaw in the mechanics.

I personally believe that ranged aoes are too strong now though. with exception to pbaoe which is fine how it is at least with warriors HB roots you you cannot move and you can be easily interrupted and you can not pull this off from saftey of ranged. There are big drawbacks to using this skill so it isn’t op at all.

Barab.9016:

Warlord.9074:

me im not.9357:

As far as Im concerned—- its a shame one of these three servers will have to ever flip back to tier 2. I have huge respect for BG—- but SOR/SOS/JQ I think have all proven all they have to prove this match. Scores have been tight— and no one server is really outside of beatable this week. JQ has the advantage as the only server with solid 24/7 coverage—- and Im not knocking them for it—- but the fact that they can hold such a crucial advantage and for the scores to still be this close really says something for everyone. So from SOS to JQ and SOR—- good fights….. actually, Great Fights!. Thank you!.

My sole complaints—- culling AOE is being used by all 3 servers. I don’t know that Id call it a clever use of mechanics since we all know culling is busted, but I struggle calling it an exploit either since its being used so much by everyone these days. In any chase, it does feel a little cheap. I hope Anets AOE nerfs get here soon, and I really wish they would find a way to fix culling—- but I suppose those are complaints for another thread.

Again though, it was fun this week.

JQ is OP. A better matchup would be BG, SoR, SoS. JQ is just a little too piled on. I’m sorry for saying this in advance great job to JQ for the recruitment and this is only addressed to some JQ that have transfered there during off peak hours…Not the whole server… but I hope you enjoy PvDooring cuz thats all your going to be doing. If you find PvDoor fun more power to you. consider moving to another server when you get bored of fighting no one. But your welcome to do whatever you want just don’t expect fun battles when there is no one to fight. But maybe you like fighting no one so just do what you do. grats.

Sorry your upset but the WvW scores are out of any one individual’s control. I wouldnt get all bitter and mad because it’s a 24/7 7 day server match not guild vs guild or individual vs individuals. Ive been looking at SoS and SoR’s population each day and night randomly and both servers are always full. Why SoS and SoR doesnt have full maps 24/7 is something only that server’s leaders can answer because the population is logged in 24/7.

Anyway the week isnt over yet but I wanted to say thanks to all the fighters from all servers for this week’s match. All three servers are worthy of t1 and are champions in their own right.

XD I think they are doing PVE thats why. I’m not going to get mad or bitter, I will just quit. Not going to fight overwhelming numbers, and I think a lot of other people will just hang up the towel as well. We don’t care about winning or losing, we just like to have fun 10 vs 90 isn’t any fun in that.

me im not.9357:

As far as Im concerned—- its a shame one of these three servers will have to ever flip back to tier 2. I have huge respect for BG—- but SOR/SOS/JQ I think have all proven all they have to prove this match. Scores have been tight— and no one server is really outside of beatable this week. JQ has the advantage as the only server with solid 24/7 coverage—- and Im not knocking them for it—- but the fact that they can hold such a crucial advantage and for the scores to still be this close really says something for everyone. So from SOS to JQ and SOR—- good fights….. actually, Great Fights!. Thank you!.

My sole complaints—- culling AOE is being used by all 3 servers. I don’t know that Id call it a clever use of mechanics since we all know culling is busted, but I struggle calling it an exploit either since its being used so much by everyone these days. In any chase, it does feel a little cheap. I hope Anets AOE nerfs get here soon, and I really wish they would find a way to fix culling—- but I suppose those are complaints for another thread.

Again though, it was fun this week.

JQ is OP. A better matchup would be BG, SoR, SoS. JQ is just a little too piled on. I’m sorry for saying this in advance great job to JQ for the recruitment and this is only addressed to some JQ that have transfered there during off peak hours…Not the whole server… but I hope you enjoy PvDooring cuz thats all your going to be doing. If you find PvDoor fun more power to you. consider moving to another server when you get bored of fighting no one. But your welcome to do whatever you want just don’t expect fun battles when there is no one to fight. But maybe you like fighting no one so just do what you do. grats.

wondo.2870:

SmokeyNYY.7841:

Well it kind of sucks that one one will ever be able to dethrone JQ until people get bored and inevitable quit. Some of those guilds that transferred to JQ should have dispersed to SoR, SoS, and BG for much more even match ups. The way this is going we will just have servers fighting for second place like SoS is doing right now. Anyway the weekend match up was awesome and I am looking forward to more of those in the future.

SBI wvw guilds dispersed to JQ, SoR, FA and Kain. And some remained on SBI

7 to JQ, 7 to SoR, 2(or 3 if you count WM) went to Kain, 2 went to FA.

Churchill.8714:

I wouldn’t really be afraid of Kaineng. Warmachine is a terrible guild and anyone from SoS/JQ knows they are no real threat. They couldn’t hold SBI together (or push them over 3rd place) and they certainly aren’t going to take Kaineng past there either.

I wouldn’t talk about something you clearly know nothing about. Or talk about a guild you know nothing about. And for the record SBI got two second place finishes in the SoS/JQ/SBI matchups.

ya i wouldn’t talk about entire guilds or servers, that you don’t know anything about. We all know that wvw is a group effort and therefore there should be no expectation that a single guild or an alliance can carry a server. It doesn’t make them bad because they can’t carry a server when others are not picking up the slack. Some peoples on SoR were saying similar things about TC before they fought them a second time its pretty arrogant to think so big without knowledge of what you’re talking about. And trust me theres a big difference between thinking you know what you’re talking about and actually knowing.

Virtsuoso.9761:

SmokeyNYY.7841:

Well it kind of sucks that one one will ever be able to dethrone JQ until people get bored and inevitable quit. Some of those guilds that transferred to JQ should have dispersed to SoR, SoS, and BG for much more even match ups. The way this is going we will just have servers fighting for second place like SOS is doing right now. Anyway the weekend match up was awesome and I am looking forward to more of those in the future.

Why are people calling JQ’s recuitment unfair? Every server had the chance and ample warning to recruit people and guilds before transfers became paid. In fact, I saw numerous server recruitment posts from almost every server days before the big patch. Each server was responsible for their own recruitment of transfers. There is no Hogwarts Sorting Hat in this game.

I agree, take the opportunity to play smarter and learn some better tactics to fight them. Yes it is unfair, to fight overwhelming odds against you, but there are a lot of things that could be done and better ways of going about things that are not being done or executed.

Kanji Maki.1695:

SoR night crew why is there an enemy waypoint in my garrison? If we dont have the manpower to hold at least we can pop camps if not then at least kill yaks.

Hey man I was there when we lost it. I am pretty disgusted about it. I wont get into details but I think you shouldn’t ask questions that you don’t want to know the answer too. And you defiantly wouldn’t like the answer.

Great fights during the weekend. SoR during the weekends does well because our NA players play during the day. During the week they go to work. So we don’t have much but a handful on during the NA mornings and afternoons. But I think that some SoR peoples under estimated JQ coverage and willingness to win and so left things defenseless. I hope we can learn from these mistakes next week and stop leaving towers and keeps with no defenders in them during this time of days.

Ya it was a really bad decision to reset, when finally what we have for the most part are balanced match ups except for 2-3 servers.

Probably the way its going to work is Tier 4 servers are not going to move up, but everyone else will move down from getting blown out by BG, TC or FA.

But there are essentially 4 T1 servers currently. I wish for a 4 way matchup SoS, JQ, SoR, BG. Seems like theres always going to be an uneven balance in at least T2.

I’m sorry to say this. The tier systems purpose isn’t to be hierarchical. Servers in T1 have had typically the most consistently balanced matchups because there is no where else for severs to go but down.

The servers that stay at the top all have the most competitive WvW and you don’t find blowouts like you do in the lower tiers. Where a server is too strong for the lower tier but too weak for the higher and when it drops it controls all the maps.

So if SoR gets dropped to another Tier we don’t care we just want good matchups thats all.

covenn.7165:

celeron.3469:

covenn.7165:

celeron.3469:

And yeah that bug has been around forever, which is why I think the map populations themselves were actually lowered. Not the bug itself was made worse, it’s just more apparent now.

So how do you rationalize this with the people reporting queues for zones where they have the outmanned buff?

The bug has been doing this forever, outmanned buff, as far as we know, is percentage related. Lower the cap and the percentage is also a much lower number (compared to before), but it’s also probably much less spread apart. Combine this with queue bug and it doesn’t take a lot of queue bugged people to cause it. There are of coarse much easier to create reasons somebody would queue into outmanned, like a guild on the map suddenly logs. Not everything is black and white.

You might be right that the population cap was lowered and that might be a independent issue contributing to the problem. The rest is pure speculation and has occurred enough different times that you really cant rationalize it as being anything but a bug with how population is determined.

There should never be an instance of there being 20 people in a zone for an hour while people outside of the zone are spending that hour in a queue. It doesn’t add up.

Are people or are persons. Thats my point, not everyone is being stuck in que. Some get in others dont. The developers have stated the system does not prioritize first come first serve. So someone gets stuck in the que comes on the forum and complains that everyone is getting stuck when the person next to him just got in. Its random. And ya possibly they lowered the max per map which exacerbates it, but then you have even numbers so where my borderline troll post plays in. If everyone is having random ques and for the most part scores and numbers are atleast even in this matchup. Regardless its coming down to best over all coverage, and team work.

@ covenn answer is no. Everyone is speculating on what is going on with the ques. Not even you yourself know. The only people that do know are not talking. There maybe no issue with the que at all and some people are getting in and others are not. The ones that are not are coming to the forums to complain about it, and the ones who got in are saying nothing as usual. I’ve gotten in BLs instantly when others have been waiting for an hour to get in.

Excuses blaming it on que bug? For scores being close. lol SoR had multi hour ques all weekend, and has had consistent ques during NA primitive. Everyone is having ques. So don’t make excuse saying that if you didn’t have ques you would steam roll us lmao.

Even outmanned on SoR BL having many more JQ and SoS than us at some times we have held our own. So more people or less people we all have ques and If the numbers are even and its a close game than its all about skill.

Esoteric.5490:

If you looked at SoR or JQ now, or SoS

lol were having a great match up so far.

I wanted to add yes I am using 6/6 and no its still not working.

The Superior Runes of Rage are not applying 5% critical damage while under the effects of fury. I have tested this in and out of combat. My critical damage is 65% before I use signet of rage which gives fury. Then I checked the stats and they were still 65% it should be 70. So the runes are not giving the 5% crit power under fury.

My honest opinion based on playing a warrior since launch. I am sorry to say but it is the truth your build is not all around you wont be able to kill anyone in wvw. For something to be all around it needs to be balanced. Your build is not balanced at all. It is purely a defensive/support build. Your build has no specific weapon traits your weapon cool downs will be long and those weapons damage will be low.

You do not have any damage boosting traits such as beserkers power or even empower since you were so heavy into tactics. Your damage will be very bad. Even 25 stacks of might and might stacking will not be able to make up for having very low precision. You will not crit that much at all.

You do have a very defensive build and you will be hard to kill but I don’t see as that helping your group at all if your not actually killing anyone or anything you are just dead weight.

worst for warriors too.

Ascended gear isn’t ascended. Any tier gear that doesn’t have knights stats less strong. If you combine Berserkers and Calvary you will have less toughness and precision than knights. Therefore I won’t be playing your game.

Theres 2 roaming builds pretty much you can either put 30 in tactics and use a shout based build with soldier runes for condition removal. Or you can put 20 in descipline and get mobile strikes trait and use a greatsword with mending as your heal and shake it off as a utility.

Big part of roaming is mobility, survivability, and the ability to escape, so unless your using a greatsword or have a build that uses a warhorn in your off hand with traits or skills to remove conditions and skills to escape your going to have problems roaming.

Axe offhand is just bad but axe main hand is great. I would suggest to you to use a shield and an axe. You have good damage and survivability that way. Or Axe and Warhorn for the mobility. If your going to be roaming a big part is mobility and escape. A lot of times you are alone and no one is going to be there to help you if you run into a zerg or whatnot so you need to be able to run away. For that You need a GS and bull charge on your bar. Or a sword mainhand warhorn offhand to leap away and speed off.

Since you want to use Axe, either do Axe/shield or Axe/warhorn and use a GS swap out the GS for a rifle when you need to have range. As long as you put atleast 20 points in arms both GS and Rifle traits can be interchanged.

I recommend putting 25 or 30 points in arms instead of 20 in strength because at 25 points your damage is increased by 10% to bleeding foes which is equivalent to any of the 10% weapon specific traits in strength and it affects all weapons that you use. At 5 points of arms you have a 33% chance to cause bleeding at 10 points use deep cuts which makes bleeds last 50% longer to grantee your target is bleeding.

For Strength just do 10 points for berserkers power. Do 20 points in discipline for mobile strikes and weapon swaping is 5 seconds faster, and when you use killshot on your rifle it actually hits hard.

I do 10 points in tactics only for leg specialist, you will get a 1 sec immobilize when ever you use the cripple on your rifle/axe/pr GS which really does help prevent other players from kitting you.

try this.

10/30/0/10/20
check the traits
http://tinyurl.com/bgv38nf

Its better, and a step in the right direction anet. I’m running a core2 3ghz and before I could never see thiefs. Now I see thief’s in wvw much easier. There is no more perma hide except in large battles when im off roaming I can see thiefs almost when I should now when they come out of hide.. TY

Tallis.5607:

Lanthrudar.1437:

If you don’t plan to WvW on the WvW maps, and there is a queue, please also show the respect we’re known for and free up the spot.

As much as I agree with the if-there-is-a-queue-give-up-your-spot theory, it doesn’t hold in this case. IT’s not like this were 20 people that didn’t WWW at all and holding spots for a full day.

This were a group of people that fought long, then RPed some, then fought again. You can’t tell these people to go away from WWW, just because they only fight 90% of their time there.

If you do, what’s next?
Tell people that aren’t 80 to go to WWW when there is a queue, because they’re only 90% as efficient as an 80?
Tell people that don’t have full exotics to stay away when there is a queue, cause your stats are 10% higher.

TC is a RP server. You got to respect people that fight 90% of the time and RP 10% of the time IMO.

On SoR we welcome everyone to WvW. Doesn’t matter to us if your low, have non maxed gear, or are in a small guild. Everybody can help, by either running supply, scouting, or taking small objectives. Its the little things that matter the most, they are the easiest things to do, and have the most impact in the broader scheme of things.

TheFug.5278:

Not going to lie, I can see why people are frustrated. The new SoR is probably the most disrespectful server our guild has ever fought. Camping all of the garrisons with a ton of people is a valid tactic, but spamming /laugh at anyone who attempts to take it back just makes most of our people not want to fight any more. I have never seen so many spam laugh emotes, and while it doesn’t bother me it does show a level of disrespect when everyfight, no matter how good, ends in a /laugh spam. It is unfortunate that you guys are choosing to be those guys, because your core used to be one of the most respectable groups around. To the members of Choo, thank you for choosing to /salute instead of joining in with the disrespect train that the transfers seem to be enjoying so much. . And nice portals / flanks outside of the Garrison tonight. Hopefully the rest of your server will follow your example.

That is the only whine and cry I will give to this thread.

Sorry about that It’s bad sportsmanship on our part. I can assure you the immature actions of a few are not representative of us as a whole. Rest assured we do not condone this sort of behavior. Its not fair for you to categorize the server because someone did a laughing emote, I think you need to man up a little bit, its a game, while rude you should have a little thicker skin than this.

ya that was funny

Warriors can get away in bad situations with the right weapons, traits and utilities. A really good warrior can beat a thief run from one I don’t think so. Who can run away from a thief besides another theif or a elementalist and maybe a mesmer?

Warriors have the highest sustained run speed in the game with a warhorn. They can have perma swiftness with one. As far as getting away in bad situations you need to use a greatsword, and probably have bull charge on your bar in conjunction with mobile strikes trait. A shield helps and you need to have shake it off. There are other options like endure pain, and main hand sword has a leap. Yes If you have the right weapons, traits, and utilities as a warrior you can be almost as slippery as a ele.

eviscerate still hitting hard for me in wvw the only high damage skill on the axe.

For that reason I only get leg specialist and I call it a day. The 1 second immobilize is very handy in 1v1 combat besides that the rest of the skill tree isn’t worth the points unless u like shouting. Be prepared to waste 30 points just for 1k heals and sacrifice all your useful utilities for ones that don’t help you kill anyone. Great in dungeons better options available if you want to kill other players better. Doesn’t necessarily help you survive better, if you put 20 points in discipline for mobile strikes you can run away just as easy and you don’t have to hit a utility to break immobilize.

My opinion from experience running soldier runes and shouting, and running runes of rage with a more offensive build. The shout build is weaker if you want to 1v1 another player or fight in a small group.

rhyein.6172:

Warlord.9074:

There is no server thats made it further than T3 on their own including TC.

I’d like to hear what transfers TC got to get them from T3 to T2. TC was always one of the hardest, if not the hardest, server to get in to due to being full, and we didn’t gain any guilds that suddenly changed us from a T3 to a T2 server. Unless you have an example to prove me wrong (which is possible), I’d really appreciate it if you didn’t try to write our server’s history for us.

I only have experience in fighting TC in T3 as SoR. We fought you guys before we moved up to T2 about 5 months ago in which we face rolled you very badly. Then when you got to T2 your server had a ton more active WvW players than the 1st time we met and you put up a really good fight. I kept telling people on SoR TC was a good server. Sometimes Id get into a debate that when TC moves up to T2 the match will be totally different than the 1st time. There were a couple people saying no way TC is a role playing server we will face roll them again. And I was like no TC is good and they got a ton of new players just wait and see. I could dig up the convo but I dont think its worth the time.

You get used to it. I used to get all upset about losing fortified towers/keeps every single morning to BG. But after your server has lost 1000s of gold every single day due to night capping you get used to it.

DemonCow.5328:

SmokeyNYY.7841:

Misfit.2907:

That chat log. Is that really how you guys feel about us SoR?

I was thinking the same thing. That chat log is super depressing

Yeah, pretty much everyone on TC just hates you guys. We had a really even 3-way T2 match-up going until SoR became a huge bandwagon server.

Like everyone says, we don’t have aspirations of being a tier one server, we couldn’t care less which tier we were actually in, but we all find the fairly even, competitive match-ups to be really fun, and you guys ruined that, then held back in tier 2 at the end of last week to avoid trying to move up to tier 1 where you clearly belong.

We find that for the most part, we aren’t outmatched in open world fights, or even fights in keeps. Both servers have wiped each other with superior numbers at times, and we’ve both pulled out some wins when numbers weren’t in our favor, but the biggest reason you guys are so far ahead is because you have far, far superior coverage.

Don’t get me wrong, TC will never give up fighting, we just really want you guys gone, and we harbor a lot of ill-will towards you for turning the (what should have been really fun and mostly even) tier 2 match-up completely upside down.

For the record SoR doesn’t or didn’t have aspirations to become T1, we just like to have fun win or lose it doesn’t mater to us. We liked the match up with you guys too. We are becoming T1 out of necessity. There is a difference between wanting and needing. As far as the bandwagon rhetoric give it a rest. There is no server thats made it further than T3 on their own including TC.

There are 2 types of players hardcore wvw and casual pver in GW2. If all somone does is WvW they’re going to move to another server with like mided individuals. It makes no sense to stay on a non wvw centric server if thats the only reason you play the game. . So spare me the band wagon rehtoric. TC maybe you will get some new players too. your time will come if you hang in there like SoR. and don’t quit.

casirons.2568:

So I am confused. Are the SoR’s influx guilds bailing again? If so why and I don’t get it.

No one is bailing, and no one is leaving SoR. People are on SoR to stay. Part of it is paid transfers are coming and they picked a server to stay, the other part is the people who were on SoR already will never leave. The server pride runs deep and ehe new comers have no reason to leave.

Genesis.8572:

Warlord.9074:

Hi, and don’t feel bad for us. LOL at the training to be T1? I don’t know what thats supposed to mean.

Is that not what some of your server mates have claimed is a reason you purposefully fixed the score to remain in T2?

We don’t need training bro IDK WTF you are trying to say. You will get to fight Black Gate next week again.

I’m not your ‘bro.’

Have fun and GL with Black Gate.

Is this genuine or more condescension?

What some say is just some, and they probably don’t know what they are talking about, We never held back, SBI is dieing and some TC is giving up were taking advantage of the situation to rack up points and get out of T2. Otherwise it wouldn’t be fun for you or fun for us to stay in T2.

Your not my bro but I think your mad bro. I have no ill will towards TC like I said in the past when I say hf and gl i mean that.

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You shouldn’t be talking about pvdoor because your constant 400+ ppt throughout the day shows it as well. Also, how do you faceroll 2 solid servers like SoR/TC? Whereas in your case, you’re fighting TC and an “Almost Dead” SBI. (And getting sooo much rating because of it)

We are holding our own in T1 and both JQ and SoS are having fun. I do however think you guys will surprise a lot of ppl in t1 and wish ya luck. ( JK! ) Hey, it might even be JQ BG SoR, lmao. That’d be interesting.

@ the black gate guy you guys should of not stayed in T2 as long as you did. Its a testament to SoR strength you couldn’t move up any faster had SBI not imploded you would still be in T2 as TC is much tougher an opponent than the dieing IOJ was. You never face roled TC but you did face roll IOJ and it became a game as who can leech the most points off IOJ towards then end after so many of them gave up. When combined with SBI dieing and you leeching points off IOJ it is how you moved up to T1. So don’t talk to me about fighting dead servers, when you fought a dieing IOJ for months.

Genesis.8572:

I honestly feel kinda bad for SoR. They are training to be T1, but SBI has mostly collapsed in on itself, and a lot of the casuals that support TC have withdrawn. I’m not entirely sure how SoR plans on prepping for T1 against a T2-T3 casual server and a T6-T8 server that’s waiting for stabilization to rebuild. I know that there are people who enjoy face-rolling other servers, usually when there is bad blood between them. Such people exist on every server, whether SBI, SoR, or TC. But the times I have been most bored with WvW is when my server is face-rolled or when we face-rolled the map, such as when a number of SoR guilds went on blackout last week. The most fun I have with WvW is when the three servers are more evenly matched, and there is a constant back-and-forth in the balance of power between the servers on a given night or throughout the week.

If I was on SoR right now, I’d probably be twiddling my thumbs waiting for something exciting to happen. No wonder they zerg in their armies at any available opportunity. There are probably so many people on that server who are bored in WvW and looking for any action that they sink their teeth into. I mean no disrespect by this post to SoR. I just personally find face-rolling boring and holding onto face-rolled territory to be just as boring.

BTW, is it just me or is TC probably the least talked about server in the top tiers? People love talking about the top tier players (i.e., JQ, SoS, BG), the T1 ambitious servers (i.e. SoR, Kaineng, Mag, FA), and SBI gets a fair amount of discussion due to its collapse and its connection with SoR. But it seems as if TC is invisible on the map of most WvW conversations, though perhaps I am just overlooking them.

Hi, and don’t feel bad for us. LOL at the training to be T1? I don’t know what thats supposed to mean. TC is a awesome server no lie I said it before you guys moved up to T2 and was looking forward to the fight and I knew it would be great and it was. We were perfectly happy with the balance of T2 before we got some new players. And we are perfectly happy to move up to T1 quickly where we can find balance un like Black Gate who were instead trapped in T2 because they couldn’t face roll us at anytime except PvDooring us in the middle of the night. SoR has been in T2 for a LONGGG time and fought Black Gate for 4-5 consecutive months. Before that we fought SoS. We don’t need training bro IDK WTF you are trying to say. You will get to fight Black Gate next week again.

A lot of people are tired of GW2 and quit the game. Its not like it was last year. The hardcore GW2 WvW players are consolidating on TOP Teir servers. Most of the lower Tier servers are going to need merging eventually unless something drastically changes with this game. It isn’t dieing but it just isn’t what a lot of people were promised or looking forward to and have moved on.

Have fun and GL with Black Gate.

Well I’ve been gone now for over a month pretty sure I wasn’t missed. What I have to say is SoR hasn’t won one match up since we been in T2. That is over 4 months of losing maybe 5 months of losing every week. First is was SoS then it was Black Gate destroying us every week.

We got some more wvw players now, but one thing that isn’t being told is we lost so many players in the 5 months we lost. We have a strong wvw community that stuck through it pulling all nighters week after week in undermanned conditions. So it is because of you guys we were able to stay in T2 for so long and I am on a much needed break myself. And it is because of you guys we attracted new players to the server. People wanted to come to SoR when they saw that. Anyways I’m still probably not going to play much at all until the next big WvW expansion comes out. Have fun.

Ekii.9017:

So it seems that SoR is officially playing for second place. BG has their map fully green, not even 1 supply camp is taken by SoR. Yet SoR has 60+ people on TC’s map with two 30 man zergs.

Is this because SoR is afraid of BG? Are they afraid BG will retaliate and own them?
I guess I don’t understand why SoR is so focused on TC when BG is clearly the dominant server?

Anyways, since it is evident that SoR is afraid of BG, it allows us at TC to sharpen our defensive skills. So thank you SoR! Keep playing for second and bringing it to us, it ensures we will have fun.

Don’t quote me on this because I’m not involved in the “community” on SoR. In the past during SoR “community” meetings it is discussed which guilds and commanders will be assigned to each BL.

In the past 3 months we have fought SoS and IOJ / BG and IOJ / and BG and now TC. Out of the 3 matches one thing has remained consistent. There have been huge gaps on SoS when we fought them and no BG BLs. For the last 3 months whether or not it is just coincidental that the major coverage gaps happen to be on the winning servers BLs and often time we had adequate coverage on IOJ and not TC borderlands is anybodys quess because like I said I’m not part of the “community.”

The “community” should be able to answer your question though because this is something that is like I said a coverage gap and other times of the day we do have people on BG BL. However it is not consistent like it should be. And has given the impression that like you say we ignore BG and go after the 3rd place server all the time.

Mikitten058:

If people choose to not take part in the WvW community on SoR, then how are we to be at fault? All are welcome, even if in no guild, so in all honesty if more people have the same view as you, and want a cease fire, maybe they should take part? Maybe speak up on the community forums? Community TS3?

I’m not interested in this kind of alliance, but we don’t need an alliance to pick and choose our battles. If the strategy is to take what we can get than your “community” is failure. Thats not got to be successful except on SoR BL where the rules are different. This is not directed at anyone person but I’m not interested in listening or talking to people that don’t listen in the first place and in the second place ignore chat. This is why I do not come on TS and why I do not participate in the so called “community”

lol this junk is funny
your golem rush was a waste of money
SoR representing
scared now that was just the beginning
of the pain the choo train will deliver
shot up by my endless quiver
time for you to hack into a keep
cant take the heat so you retreat
Time for you to Alt F4
come back later to PvDoor

Peetee.9406:

We are not going to pull out of TC BL and fight BG on two fronts. That would be a disservice to a quality opponent. If BG blows us out so be it, they earned their shot at Tier 1 weeks ago.

Peetee I’m not sure if trolling or you have no idea what you are talking about. I think its both. WvW is not a contest of who has the most potential points. You don’t win at WvW by maximizing your point tally. You win at WvW by shuting down the leader and defending your own points from loss. Furthermore It does not matter if the 3rd place server or the 2nd place server controls the 1st place servers points. While it is no gain in points to the 2nd place server it is a loss to the 1st place server. Which shuts down the 1st place point lead. You should never fight over these points unless you are playing for second place.

Tallis.5607:

You got the right to do whatever you want, ofcourse.

But the result is very, very simple: you are fighting one enemy with half your force and another enemy with the other half. Instead of fighting one enemy with your whole force.

The result can be seen in the score: BG wins 33,000 ranking points and SoR looses 27,000 ranking points. This result will stay that way untill we fight differently.

True. But we wont stop attacking you.

TheDevilWithinU.7092:

A lot of SoR is still on vacation/break. I’m sure TC is having the same issue as well. We have been playing with 50-75% less of our usual forces this week and the score shows it.

I’ve been pretty sick as well so I haven’t really been able to duke it out on the battlefield.

Happy New Years to all nonetheless.

BG is playing with 50-75% of their usual forces as well. I’ve been of vacation myself and didn’t play last week.

TL:DR

Learn how wvw works.

Lanthrudar.1437:

Dao.8156:

BG still holding strong for as late as it is.

Not sure what SoR is doing. Playing for second place perhaps? Dunno, the strategy does not make much sense to me. It seems SoR has a chance at first if they push BG down during their off hours.

Looks like SoR is content in trying to play for second and keep TC down. And this when BG has almost double the score of TC and SoR already have…

A hint for all the SoR folks.. Why exactly are you continually not hitting on BG when they are so far ahead? You’re making it easy on them by antagonizing your potential partners and letting BG bend us both over.

I’m sorry but I have to say this I don’t know who you are but BG focuses SOR primarily. They always send KnT, RIOT and all of their best guilds to SoR BL and they do a good job at defending their own BL. They don’t always have full ques on every BL but SoR, EB, and usually BG BLs they often do. They often Zerg from BL to BL PVDooring in the middle of the night and early mornings. When you see BG is outmanned it usually means they all ported to another BL that the enemy was outmaned on or they saw easy towers and keeps to flip there, soon as they get done pvdooring there they will come back.

SoR usually cant fill ques on any BL except for SoR BL and sometimes EB and that is only on weekends during primetime Ques are non existant for SoR on any BL any other Day of the week. So it just looks like we are ignoring BG when infact we just dont have the numbers to do anything but defend ourselves most of the time. Which gives BG the oppertunity to PVDoor from map to map.

As far as you saying we ignore BG and hit TC instead I saw the same behavior during the SoS matchups. We would have no one on SoS BL, and often times we have no one on BG BL. Always Hitting IOJ for easy points and totally ignoring the leader. I really feel like somtimes some of the players on SoR look to the loosing server for easy pickup points instead of attacking the leader. Which allows the leader to maintian higher ticks of points. And then since the leader has no one attacking them they come attack us… This comes down to a lot of people on SoR just not understanding how WvW works sadly…This is one of the many reasons we lose, many many reasons though biggest reason is we just dont have enough WvW players on during the mornings, afternoons, or early mornings.

Don’t make excuses for being in third I have seen TC attack us instead of the leader every single day then you come on here and say why we ignore the leader.

Knowing this now you should know that TC needs to do 2 things in order to win. Defend their own BL and Hit Blackgate every opportunity they get. Come after SoR fortifications when u see SoR is outmanned on a map which is most of the time. Otherwise leave us alone. We are busy.

xxxzavulonxxx.8413:

The argument isn’t strong for bunker builds or glass cannon. This isn’t spvp. It’s WvW/mass pvp. I don’t care about dying to a thief on my ranger. And I don’t care about owning a thief.

My job is to pew pew as many people as possible to make it easier for my team to do w/e objective they’re trying. I can stay behind them and run in and out of range on my ranger. I don’t need to be a bunker build and nerf my damage to do that. You can play smart with glass canons…

Were not talking about rangers though. Were talking about the bunkers that you hide behind so you can Pew pew from safety and run away. Were talking about roamers and scouts. Were talking about tanky players that initiate fights from the front lines. Bunkers have a very different job than rangers. Just because you play a ranger doesn’t make the OPs post invalid. Its just a different way or thinking than you.

I keep hearing this same argument that WvW isn’t spvp and that roamers, small parties or scouts are not affective in WvW. This simply isn’t true in fact the exact opposite. Scouting, taking camps, and killing other small groups of roamers is extreemly important in WvW. Soloers and Small partys can also ninja towers and tacticalaly destroy enemy siege with surgical precision. All while everyone else is mindlessly zerging around without a clue what is going on and what needs to be done. Just following a commander that might be just as clueless.

Edit, A solo roamer or even a 2 can turn the tide of a entire battle by disrupting enemy supply lines. Or scouting enemy positions and reporting them back in chat. These are people with real map awareness and know the layout of the land. People that are in the know. Taking small objectives like destroying quggan weather nodes can stop siege from being destroyed by lighting. Killing Dolys to prevent Towers and keeps from being upgraded. Taking sentrys for harassment. Solo attacking guards to contest a Waypoint so the enemy cannot port to their keep. These things as small as they seem are a huge help and Is way more helpful than someone who is just zerging in the back pew pewing. And if these things are left unchecked becasue all people want to do is zerg they dont get done fast enough or get done at all untill some commander gets the bright idea to lead a zerg to it. Which maybe a long time or never. Then they wonder why all of their camps are flipped and no one seems to being doing anything.