WvW badges+laurels. Maybe add a third currency like karma or gold.
And something for PvE. Fractals, laurels, dungeon tokens? There’s a lot of possibilities for PvE.
Ele’s are perfectly fine in PvE. It’s WvW that is the source of a lot of issues.
if WvW is the source of a lot of issues, then ele in SPvP is already dead, hehe
It actually is. Even Phantaram stopped playing ele. The low HP that we have doesn’t help us in the condition spam meta. If an ele goes burst they need support from someone or they’ll die. S/D thieves are simply better for that role.
Too expensive/time consuming. It might come in a huge update(expansion-sized). It’s a problem with how many calculations the server needs to do for each hit(nothing to do with the graphics BTW).
The good part is that you can at least see everyone.
The year is 2149. GW2 has been running for 136 years. Welcome to the future!
People are still trying to obtain the titles for WvW achievements.
That comment made me think exactly how long it’d take to get Ultimate Sentinel with normal play. It’s 4-5 years in defending time, I think
Also guilds have some pretty funny bugs. Once I found that I’m the only person in the guild and I’m not the guild master. A few relogs fixed that, but I think I still have the screenshots
I had no problems after lvl 25 most of the time. Before that I was still getting used to the game(oh man, almost 1 year ago ). Just don’t try to fight stuff much higher than your level if you don’t have the best possible gear.
Leveling with fire/arcana and D/D was fine for me. I just looked for a lot of slow mobs, kited them while spamming stuff and used burning speed through them.
It worked until Orr where I had to change to staff because it was less condition-y(mobs there have condition cleanse and transfer). Also using pets(like earth elementals) for soloing bigger stuff really helps.
If I remember correctly I used mostly power, toughness and vitality on my gear.
It’s probably not the most efficient way to level but I definitely had fun most of the time. And that’s what leveling is for unless you want the class only to fill another empty portrait spot with a lvl 80.
food buffs, pve armors, unrestricted stat combos… you guys are really in the wrong forum.
We’re getting told to come here every time that we try to talk about this in the WvW forum. Apparently we can’t ask for a game mode there because the purpose of asking for it is to get GvGs OUT of WvW.
We can throw a thread in the suggestions forum and it’ll get buried before it’s even noticed. Or we could throw it in the general discussion where it’d probably get even less serious comments than in here(sorry, but a lot of the posts are pretty much talking about what happened in GW1 instead of giving ideas, showing support or giving a real argument on what they should spend their resources on).
This is the only forum that we can actually get this thread up and keep it alive without pages of useless information. If this game mode like this is going to happen anywhere, it needs to be in sPvP.
Also I don’t really get why you’re so much against more customization. It’s not like I’m suggesting Healing/Toughness/Vitality gear. More customization options=good(as long as they’re not imbalanced).
Adding food buffs to sPvP might end up being interesting. Free food buffs, of course, and they get removed outside of PvP.
Also being able to mix stats more is important. Maybe sPvP should get a full set of jewelry for stat customization?
There’s a lot of stat customizations that sPvP is lacking. It might really make build creation for sPvP more fun.
If they don’t want to do that then we should just get custom arenas with 40 players cap and an option to use PvE balance and equipment. I think that would be enough. GvGers can calculate the rating and stuff themselves.
We just need something to get rid of the ridiculous transfer costs when we want to play against a new enemy.
Why don’t people give it a try in custom arena with organized 5v5, 6v6, etc… in Legacy of the Foefire, turn off the capture nodes, and killing enemy lord is the only way to win
I guess more rules could be added later, but at least start from the basics.
That would work if we wanted GW1 GvG.
This thread is asking for 20v20/15v15 death match. At least increasing the player limits in custom arenas would help a LOT.
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You’re never going to get a GW1 copy with better graphics. Stop asking for it
Actually I bought the game because the devs themselves promised this in their manifesto. Word by word.
Btw yes Pvp balance is terrible atm, but that will pass, but 20v20 will always be a spamfest.
Didn’t you at least see that the ONLY sPvP game mode is conquest before getting the game?
I won’t say anything about the spamfest comment because that’s just throwing around insults now. You obviously have no idea what exactly people do in GvG(not that many people do tbh).
The difference in skill level between GW1 GvG and the attempts in WvW is pretty laughable
I thought that that applied to the whole game?
At least with larger groups people use combo mechanics as support and not self-buffing. That promotes group coordination and coordination in the actual fight other than calling out a target.
A good roamer WILL kill you without anyone to get them off you. Just one good thief in that zerg and without being tough you’ll instadie.
In the mid-low tiers is more ranged, choking and defense. If you want warrior-guardian reta zergs then there’s no classes better for those than warriors and guardians.
Maybe if they give copies of all those unique utilities in the big patches that they’re planning, mesmers could get some buffs/reworks.
Right now having an ability like portal on 1 class is just stupid. Same for veil(no real AoE cap). Time warp is basically quickness for 5 people with no debuff for it. Moa is the ultimate CC since you can’t use any of your normal abilities, is not affected by stuns and you can’t use a stun breaker to get it off.
The class’s amazing utilities are holding it back.
again portal is great and all, but if they were to give it to an other class, please not thief as it would break the game completely!
moa:what is it with your obsession about this stupid elite? i’d rather have it removed. hits 1 target, can be dodged, interrupter, has a long casttime, short range and fails 60 persent of the time. cooldown is pretty long too.seriously u can have it.take it, so we can actually get a decent elite!
time warp used to be good, but since the whole quickness nerf, 240 sec cooldown is just not worth bringing it. and it lasts for only a few seconds.
veil gives such a tiny duration of stealth, so yeah maybe a great opener for a push, but seriously stop obsessing over it.
most of the time i use massinvis or hounds of balthazar, tw is for golems only and why on earth would i bring moa with me that has a huge chance to fail and if it hits it would be 1 target out of a 30-60 man zerg….
You want a REAL useless elite? Try ANY ele elite. I even use mistfire wolf instead of glyph of elementals because it deals damage and doesn’t get oneshot. Tornado’s damage is lower than 1 spam, the knockback is terrible(it NEEDS to be like guardian lines) and you lose your utilities, class mechanic and normal abilities. Fiery great sword is a “kill me” sign. The only thing you can actually do with it is run away. And it makes you stand still while casting it.
Also I agree on the thief thing. They might as well give us back consumables in WvW then. Including the stealth one and the jump gun. Guardians/engineers with portal would make sense(guardians let all people within 1200 range teleport to them? Sounds logical). Maaaybe elementalists since they really need a new elite.
Last time I checked eles actually had the best PvE DPS thanks to greatsword/hammer. Dropping a fire field before you go hammer gets your team AoE might.
Also for zerg vs zerg eles are worse than necros ATM. Organized they’re useful, but in random blobs it’s better to go necro.
You mean by relying on a kittenty conjure? The OP was asking if it was fun not whether nor not you force yourself into using a crappy skill because all your alternative suck.
OP technically, you have the highest dps by doing what Wryog BUT at the cost that you effective strip away the purpose of playing the class. if your biggest concern is dps you get nearly equal amounts of dps + way higher hp, way way higher toughness and defense. With the added bonus that you don’t have to deal with the frustration of playing a subpar glass cannon without the cannon class.
Yes, you do have to throw away your class mechanic. And yes, it is boring to spam 11111 while dodge rolling. Sadly, that’s how they want us to deal real damage in PvE. The DPS difference isn’t that much with hammer unless it’s 5 stacked targets, that’s true. Most of the time you also won’t be able to use greatsword properly. The DPS makes our conjured weapons a bit useful at least. We can’t really say that they’re all useless now :P
Last time I checked eles actually had the best PvE DPS thanks to greatsword/hammer. Dropping a fire field before you go hammer gets your team AoE might.
Also for zerg vs zerg eles are worse than necros ATM. Organized they’re useful, but in random blobs it’s better to go necro.
Maybe if they give copies of all those unique utilities in the big patches that they’re planning, mesmers could get some buffs/reworks.
Right now having an ability like portal on 1 class is just stupid. Same for veil(no real AoE cap). Time warp is basically quickness for 5 people with no debuff for it. Moa is the ultimate CC since you can’t use any of your normal abilities, is not affected by stuns and you can’t use a stun breaker to get it off.
The class’s amazing utilities are holding it back.
(WvW post)IMO it’s the animation times. They’re just painfully slow. You can strafe out of all auto-attacks(except the air one because it locks on and follows the target). All of the 2 abilities are too slow to hit(again – except the air one which actually needs an cast time reduction). Meteor shower is kinda useless vs anything <10 since it will hit extremely rarely. Air 3 is baaaaaad! Needs to lock on and follow its target! And the earth abilities are just bad in almost every possible way. Only magnetic aura is not extremely situational. I use unsteady ground mainly on already downed enemies.
For PvE there’s a guide on the top of the subforum. Eles are actually very good for DPS but they lack survivability. It gives them a bad reputation(like thieves).
For WvW you should just go staff and use statics and water fields to help the zerg. If you have an organized group that can actually protect you, you can also try a more DPS-y staff build. Or just bunker in the front lines with D/D. If you want to roam then you should try out another class. Eles are too slow now.
I’d be happy if we just got health numbers or endurance on our target portrait. They just dislike having to use the UI I guess.
We should probably be happy that we have targeting in the first place
If you want a sPvP buff, sPvP forums are that way →
Mesmers are still extremely useful because of their unique support abilities. AoE stealth, portal and time warp? I’d trade all of my ele elites for any 1 of those.
So 10k churned earth crits, 8k fire grabs, 2.5k – 4k lighting whips is laughable damage. 4-6k flame wall is laughable too? Mmkay. sPvP just needs to be adjusted to include deathmatches and gears that actually matches outside (pve/wvw) stats rather than the lame presets in there…Because eles can pump up their char to do insane dps. You also have to realize your role might end up being zerg dps. What i’m saying is…Let’s say you don’t do well vs 1 type of class, go with 1 more other person on your team to dps that class to death. Work together. In every game, every class has their achilles heel, what you do to compensate for that is what differentiates you from the rest of the whiners.
The legendary all-weapon ele. Churning earth, fire grab and flamewall.
Wait what? Flame wall does damage? You’d have to stand in the flame walls of 5 elementalists in full berserker for it to deal anywhere near 4k.
Churning earth hitting 10k and fire grab only 8? Are you counting the condition damage? Fire grab should hit more than churning earth with a burn.
Lightning whip for 2,5k if it’s all crits or he’s full zerk and you’re naked.
Here’s a tip: interrupting churning earth puts it on a 30 second cooldown. You can always also count to 3 and press v too.
I’m wondering why you didn’t mention dragon’s tooth too. It’s about as easy to dodge as churning earth. If you interrupt the ele AFTER he casts it it’ll still get the “interrupted” message.
If you were at least paying attention to elementalists right now you’d see that they all run either a huge cooldown instadown build that puts all(or at least 2 of) your utilities on cooldown or a fresh air build which gets its damage mainly from swapping.
And in the current sPvP meta neither are really useful. In WvW it’s either staff support for water fields and static or D/D bunker. In PvE it’s hammer all the way for DPS. 20v20/15v15 GvG also uses eles mostly for water fields+static.
I mean hello? 2 Invulnerability skills? 40s and 60s when Traited or 50s and 70s when untraited.
Are you talking about focus? You’re actually talking about focus+earth cooldowns trait as if they’re viable? And mist form’s base CD is 75s.
When one of the top players is forced to reroll from his favorite class, then you know that something is very wrong…(talking about Phantaram btw)
Edit: oh god, the quoting fails.
how about delete all other classes but warrior and all warriors have same specs, build and equipment and those who have the best internet wins?
Yeah. Then we have P2W.
Seriously now. 80% HP difference is too big and you can’t say that it’s that way to make everyone unique.
Uniqueness should be in mechanics. Not raw stats.
“Totally unworthy” lol. Are you actually serious?
You’d lose so fast with the normal sPvP builds.
You never played GW1, I played both, yes I’m serious.
If I’d lose with PvP builds because some of them doesn’t spam AoEs fast enough, then you agree that WvW is a non-coordinated PvE spamfest.
And sPvP ATM is totally not a non-coordinated spamfest. coughspiritrangersandconditionbuildscough
Play it before you can say if it requires skill. You’re just looking bad ATM.
I also played WoW. Calling 20v20 an arena is also weird to me because in WoW that was 2v2, 3v3 or 5v5. But guess what? It’s a different game.
You’re never going to get a GW1 copy with better graphics. Stop asking for it
“Totally unworthy” lol. Are you actually serious?
90% wouldn’t participate because they’re not in guilds or they’re in casual guilds.
And if you’re talking about the current GvG teams… well I’d love to see you try a S/D ele in your team. Or a non-SB thief. You’d lose so fast with the normal sPvP builds.
Do you mind stopping with the “GvG stands only for what we did in GW1” comments?
Let me give you a hint: GvG=Guild versus Guild. Just like PvP=Player(s) versus Player(s). It doesn’t mention amount of players ANYWHERE in the name. It could be 25v25 capture the flag, 2v2 death match or 1v1 duel. Stop with the pointless “GvG is only 8v8 and you’re all bad for calling that GvG”.
Also I know that it’s hard to see what’s going on without listening to the commander of a team. The ridiculous amount of spell effects makes it hard to see anything. It takes a bit of time to get used to large numbers inside a splash of particles but it is possible to tell what’s happening with some practice.
It’s not that it only stands for what we did in GW1; it’s just embarrassing to really compare to two. The GW1 crowd is used to GvG being much more precisely skill oriented.
The mighty GW1 GvGers started comparing them. I don’t see why you’re mad at us.
If I’d be able to make a second account with the name Wryog and would flood the forums with BS you would be fine with it I guess.
Yeah, I would. Because it won’t have my account number, it won’t have my post history and it’d most likely get reported.
But by all means, go ahead and spend your money in a bad attempt to troll me.
Do you mind stopping with the “GvG stands only for what we did in GW1” comments?
Let me give you a hint: GvG=Guild versus Guild. Just like PvP=Player(s) versus Player(s). It doesn’t mention amount of players ANYWHERE in the name. It could be 25v25 capture the flag, 2v2 death match or 1v1 duel. Stop with the pointless “GvG is only 8v8 and you’re all bad for calling that GvG”.
Also I know that it’s hard to see what’s going on without listening to the commander of a team. The ridiculous amount of spell effects makes it hard to see anything. It takes a bit of time to get used to large numbers inside a splash of particles but it is possible to tell what’s happening with some practice.
It’s not that it only stands for what we did in GW1; it’s just embarrassing to really compare to two. The GW1 crowd is used to GvG being much more precisely skill oriented.
The mighty GW1 GvGers started comparing them. I don’t see why you’re mad at us.
Hmmm… Maybe diamond skin should apply torment every time you use a slow on an enemy?(chill/cripple)
Also getting hit by lightning and not getting damaged would definitely confuse me xD.
Gale needs SOMETHING. It’s just terrible right now.
How about turning EARTH into the condition tree?
I mean it does a few at the moment. A tweak to the tree could see it become a solid one.
Diamond Skin: Increase Condition damage by 10% of Toughness, Crits have a 50% chance to cause 5 seconds of Torment. This would have NO cool down, it being 1 stack or have it cause 5 seconds of Torment at 5stacks with a 10second ICD
Mmmmm Maybe a trait that gives a 50% chance on knockdown to cause a damaging effect? Maybe a condition(s) or something?
The only change other than earth traitline that I suggested was the burning precision buff(which it needs because it’s terrible).
If you want a 1 attunement build then you can forget about it. The devs want us to swap.
You either take arcane mastery for arcane ability cooldowns or go water for reduced cooldowns on cantrips. Without reduced cooldowns cantrips are pretty bad. Also renewing stamina is pretty much a requirement for dps specs(it’s a perfect dps trait IMO – gives active defense based on your offensive abilities). Elemental attunement(without boon duration runes) is really not that good.
Hmmm… Maybe diamond skin should apply torment every time you use a slow on an enemy?(chill/cripple)
Also getting hit by lightning and not getting damaged would definitely confuse me xD.
Gale needs SOMETHING. It’s just terrible right now.
What if…
Burning precision: 100% chance on crit to apply 2 seconds of burning.
Diamond skin: +10% of your toughness as condition damage, cripple now deals damage over time.(or maybe cripple also adds poison?)
Shatterstone: also applies chill.
Blinding flash also applies 3 stacks of confusion for 3 seconds.
Impale applies 2 stacks of bleeding.
Gust also applies 4 stacks of confusion for 5 seconds.
Gale applies weakness and 5 stacks of confusion for 4 seconds.
Flamewall now applies 5 seconds of burning.
Fire shield(flame aura) applies 2s of burning instead of 1.
Dust devil applies 4 stacks of confusion for 2 seconds
Would that be enough to give us a condition build?
I don’t think that a 90 second cooldown ability is reliable. Tornado is just plain bad. Eles don’t have any reliable stability unless they spec in earth for it.
Also, there’s dps traits in the arcana tree. Why would someone take bunker traits over dps traits if they want to go dps? Without full boon duration runes the duration on protection from that 1 trait isn’t really good. And it’s definitely not enough to make up for the low HP in dps spec.
Guardians and elementalists have almost 0 reliable condition cleanse in dps specs. Casting a full Ether renewal as an elementalist in a dps spec is probably going to hurt more than help. Also conditions still damage you in mist for so that definitely doesn’t help right now. Changing the meta is a possibility but they could just give guardians and elementalists viable condition specs. Right now they both lack damaging conditions for a real condition spec.
Also I think we both agree that focus needs buffing. It’s simply terrible.
Focus.
Seriously, have you at least looked at a build calculator for ele before you posted?
Also unless a duel in a dps build lasts enough for me to heal over 3 times with water abilities, I don’t see how useful those 2k heals are when a warrior/necro has 7-8k more base HP than me.
Focus is not so popular for a reason.
The reason why those extra heals are useful is because Elementalist has better damage avoidance compared to Warrior/Necro.
First off, Elementalist have access to permanent-vigor via trait. Warriors have no access to reliable vigor unless they run Warhorn or stances, while Necromancers have no access to vigor at all.
Those extra dodges provided by vigor are damage not taken that a Necromancer or a Warrior would have taken.
Arcana Elementalists, also, have incredibly easy access to protection. While Warriors have no access to protection at all, Necromancer have some of it at low uptime. This extra protection uptime is, again, not-taken damage.
Just those two things are enough to justify the 7-8k of HP difference, which is even more mitigated while Elementalists run some Healing Power gear.
You’re talking about a full bunker spec with protection. There is no dps spec that actually uses protection traits.
Also necros have death shroud as a form of mitigation, warriors have higher base armor and they both have bigger numbers on their heals than elementalists with similar cooldowns. I don’t think that we should compare their 6 abilities to the guardian’s though since those are with a much longer cooldown. But the fact is that necromancer/warrior heal=element a list heal+cleansing wave(which is nowhere near 2k base BTW, just like every other weapon heal that elementalists have outside of staff… BTW that weapon also isn’t used at all in PvP… I wonder why).
Just open your eyes and realize that without stealth spamming a 10k HP class built for dps is terrible in the current condition meta.
Do you mind stopping with the “GvG stands only for what we did in GW1” comments?
Let me give you a hint: GvG=Guild versus Guild. Just like PvP=Player(s) versus Player(s). It doesn’t mention amount of players ANYWHERE in the name. It could be 25v25 capture the flag, 2v2 death match or 1v1 duel. Stop with the pointless “GvG is only 8v8 and you’re all bad for calling that GvG”.
Also I know that it’s hard to see what’s going on without listening to the commander of a team. The ridiculous amount of spell effects makes it hard to see anything. It takes a bit of time to get used to large numbers inside a splash of particles but it is possible to tell what’s happening with some practice.
Even with no healing power at all, Elementalists have, without counting their main healing, at least two other healing skills in ANY of their weapon sets, which is at least 2k extra healing compared to other professions and this without any trait.
Focus.
Seriously, have you at least looked at a build calculator for ele before you posted?
Also unless a duel in a dps build lasts enough for me to heal over 3 times with water abilities, I don’t see how useful those 2k heals are when a warrior/necro has 7-8k more base HP than me.
I’d just like to mention that saying that conquest is a competitive mode sounds wrong to me. I guess it’s just this game’s style, even if I don’t like it.
Now you guys try to say the same about GvG.
As hard as it might be to believe, GvG does have a ton of tactics involved. I’m talking about calling out CC, banners, movement, FIELDS, time warp, veil, reflects etc.
Just because everyone is running in 1 stack doesn’t mean that they’re just spamming 1 on everything in their way. The stacking during a fight is because of the 5 man AoE cap. Maybe if that was removed in a GvG arena mode things might look a bit different.
Also PvP-only free food buffs? Why not? Might end up making things a bit more interesting.
The class is in some serious need of love and buffs. Im looking specifically at you, staff.
We have a focus too! And it’s actually worse!
0 healing abilities, terrible damage scaling, ridiculous cooldowns and bad conditions. The only actual + is projectile defense and invulnerability(so I guess it’s kinda good vs rangers… maybe).
At least staff has some nice combo fields and AoE damage. It’s actually useful in WvW.
I lose the stacks of the buffs on downed instead of death(tested with the Applied Fortitude buff). Fix it, please.
I’m talking about the 10th skill in the lines in case someone didn’t understand.
I don’t even want to list the boons/conditions that we don’t have.
Boons (9 total):
Retaliation
Aegis
Conditions (12 Total):
Confusion
Fear
Poison
Torment
Yes, we don’t have a viable condition build, but whining about access to boons is just ridiculous.
I wasn’t complaining. I was just pointing out that we can’t do everything since we lack those boons and conditions.
Can’t be a jack of all trades without having everything.
They pretty much straight up said that. Elementalists are the “druid” class, able to do everything, but not to the same extent as a class primarily focused on it. Because of that, they will always be at a disadvantage when comparing specifics.
We can’t really do everything. We don’t have permanent pets, we don’t have stealth and we don’t have traps, I don’t even want to list the boons/conditions that we don’t have. If you’re talking about combat roles then I have some news for you: guardians can also bunker, dps and support, same for warriors and pretty much every class. If you mean that we’re forced to have support abilities because of water attunement then that’s not really unique either. For example you can equip a staff on a sword/focus zerk guardian and give him shouts for support. You can put a hammer on the normal zerk warrior and help your team with CC. Sure, it won’t be as good as a fully focused spec but since when is a full support else’s damage good? We get the same results as if we’d picked a weapon that we’re not specced for. The whole “jack of all trades” argument is completely invalid and it’s a poor excuse that the devs came up with for whatever reason.
And about attunements – make them 0s cooldown and put an icd on the “on swap” traits. I don’t see any real reason not to do it.
They might as well start supporting GvG as a game mode. Until then I really think you should try reporting people because they’re doing GvG if you think it’s so wrong.
Also I’m wondering how the mods expect us to have a real discussion of this when the OP starts the flame war himself by calling GvG “kill trading”.
It’s selfish because it slows people down. I don’t care if that hurts your feelings. It’s true and if you believe that wearing non-zerk gear doesn’t slow you down then I can’t really explain it to you.
And don’t tell me how unselfish your “healer” build is because it’s completely pointless. The scaling on heals is terrible for PvE. Also every fight is doable without healing power gear. What that gear does is just slow down your team.
Again – it’s selfish because you slow down 4 other people. If you want to run whatever gear you want then don’t join zerk/farm/speed run parties.
Remember when we could go into tornado, go out and keep the stability? Then they “fixed” that. IMO it shows exactly how terrible our elites are. I’d still pick mist form over any of them(except maybe tornado for staff and that’s a BIG maybe).
I did it with achiev with CoF lightning hammer spec. Used flash and arcane shield with mistfire for elite. The dog died before a 4th meat hit the floor, I pushed him away from meat with 3. After it dies just kite with scepter.
