Guild Wars 2

GuardianOMS.8067:

Xsorus.2507:

I think most people understand at this point that “winning” in World vs World, has less to do how “skilled” your server is, and more to do with how “Many” are on that server.

This isn’t DAOC, The most populated server has the advantage pretty much 100% of the time in World vs World.

I think you missed what I said,

GuardianOMS.8067:

…they’ll let everything fall to five people and a superior ram…

This was no zerg battle, though at the gate of Garrison, we picked up more people. I can understand you’re not as populated or have as the same coverage/prime time as us but five people capped the entire eastern side of the map while double our numbers of SBI were at SW tower.

You must not understand what i’m saying, It doesn’t matter if they came and defeated you and kept you from taking the eastern side.

You’re going to win this match up because you have more people covering other maps at more times this us, Just like when SBI was doing it in the previous Tier.

It wasn’t anytime with us being better managed, or being amazing at the game, We simply had more people.

Its the same for every tier, The number 1 server always has more people.

I think most people understand at this point that “winning” in World vs World, has less to do how “skilled” your server is, and more to do with how “Many” are on that server.

This isn’t DAOC, The most populated server has the advantage pretty much 100% of the time in World vs World.

Dual.8953:

PolishSausage.1279:

How do you make it less effective for escaping? Make it so revealed kicks in no matter what. This would make permastealth impossible because the thief will have to wait 3 seconds no matter what.
Another option is to shorten stealth which would make permastealth much harder to maintain.

Another thing to consider is the possibility of adding diminishing returns to stealth duration when spamming stealth moves. In this case, the actual stealth duration would be shorter and shorter with each use until the Thief essentially cannot stealth at all. In theory, this could not only discourage permastealthing, but make Thieves commit to a fight more, and save stealth either for attack setups, or as an actual emergency tool as it was intended, instead of just a spammable reset button.

If a thief is constantly stealth attacking it means they’re staying in the fight. Adding diminishing returns repeated stealth attacking would punish S/D and P/D for existing and encouage thieves to go for the backstab burst setup, pooling all their power into an insta-gib then running away to reset. Spamming stealth to stay in combat isn’t resetting. Doing hit and runs is resetting.

Who says Cloak and Dagger has to stealth you, and that Stealth should be the only way to give you an opener?

What if Cloak and Dagger just allowed you to use your Opener from out of Stealth?

Durzlla.6295:

Just wanna let you know that frost armor, prot, and bark skin all stack, so you can get up to 73% dmg reduction… Oh so many angry thieves have hit me during that very short but godly period….

PS: GS 3 + Frost trap = frost aura.

EDIT: if you’re a bunker why use sick’em and QZ? Take frost trap and protect me + 2 moas or a bear + Moa instead, the goal of a bunker is to not die, not to kill things…

I might try Frost Trap out with my Daze build.

dreztina.4820:

I really don’t care about the emotes/jumping. I threw those in because I think they are low class and CD roamers do it quite a bit. What really bugs me is the chasing a solo forever, adding on every fight they can, baiting you into what looks like a 1v1 just to add in when you have used some cooldowns, etc. It’s just not how people should act when there are so few of us.

And to be clear, I’m specifically talking about roamers. I don’t expect the for-the-realmers to treat roamers with respect because that’s not the game they play.

There is a couple on Mag that do it, trust me on that..

but yes, I seen a lot of CD people who will chase forever….I had a thief chase me forever only when I turned around and fought I saw he had friends coming, so I ran some more..

Ran alway across the map think alright now I can fight him, Nope…..his buddies followed as well..Couldn’t see them cause of culling of course till it was to late.

Thought that was kind of kittenty….But hey, what can you do.

The ability to reset a fight when you’re losing is always going to be overpowered..

I can outplay a thief all day long, and if he wants, he can reset the fight till he’s full HP and go again till eventually I get unlucky and he wins…

I do it on my thief all the time..I get in over my head, and then I just reset the fight…

zero skill required..

Rofl, I got hit by this before, for 5.7k damage, I was like “WTF hit me” lol

And what I mean by that, is a Stacking Duration Buff..

Instead of relying on kills to increase Masters Bond Buff, we’d rely on time.

Every second you have your pet out it would increase Masters Bond by 1, Meaning if you keep your pet for a full 25 seconds out, he’d have 25 MB stacks.

This would allow us to swap pets, and not be completely screwed running this talent, But it’d also allow us to actually go into water without fear.

Yea, multiple suggestions could work, I just found the one I posted to be quite interesting, I was having Thieves not even take 5k damage from me when they did their chain.

Was quite interesting.

No, the only thing that needs to be fixed is the Revealed being buffed to 10 seconds in Duration.

This would allow them to do their DPS, but also make it a consequence for actually playing bad or screwing up.

Not shout “REDO!” after they screw up.

Revealed right now is far to forgiving, It allows terrible players to make unforgivable mistakes that no other class would be able to live though.

Stealth revealed buff needs to be 10 seconds long.

Stealth should be an opener, not a get out of jail free card.

Most are Backstab build, and i’ve been testing out new food sources.

anyway

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Loaf_of_Saffron_Bread

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Natures Protection in Natures Line = almost their entire burst doing squat.

P/D ones will probably still kitten you though.

The more I duel, the more I realize this trait is kittening me over pretty bad now, I need a way to get rid of conditions, but its gimping my damage at the same time by screwing my already moronic pet up.

This is a good build, very tough to duel against.

Mayhem.1935:

Xsorus.2507:

Mayhem.1935:

Laika.8795:

Griswold.2054:

QFT
wonderful post
finally an honest thief player and not one of those delusional ones

Ironic how you quoted bullkitten for truth.

What specifically do you find is untrue? These are things that happen everyday in WvW for me. Maybe i’m abusing something? I don’t know. I’m just using the skills that Anet has given thieves with a sprinkle of intelligence. For example just 1/2 hour ago i held up half a zerg for 15 minutes just running around dropping people and hiding behind walls and stuff. I never got hit a single time, so theoretically i could have had 1hp and it wouldnt have mattered. I was on center island between the two lower towers. No other class could do this. Coincidentely, we took the right tower (greenbriar?)

Pretty much, like i said before, all it takes is playing any class but a thief, then playing a thief to realize how moronic stealth is in this game.

Like I’ve seen some horrible implementations of stealth in games…But Anet had to be on crack with they came up with the Thief in this game and its stealth mechanic..

Its the WORST balanced mechanic i’ve seen in an MMO to date, It actually beats BW’s Combustion Mechanic as the dumbest and most ill thought out mechanic.

OMG Bright Wizards. I remember that!

“Combustion isn’t overpowered, We take damage when we cast spells, Sure its completely negated by a random group hot, and it doubles our damage…But its balanced!”

By the way, I have screenshots from Warhammer Online beta still of myself getting 1 rounded by BW’s….

The best part about that mechanic was the fact that instead of nerfing Bright Wizards and such….(And trust me, we all kittened about it during beta, however there was some “Special” friends to the Devs that all played BW’s and kept telling them it was fine, and whenever you brought it up, they’d pm you on the forums and threaten to get you banned) They actually had to basically double and triple everyones HP in beta so they could survive the damage.

that’s how tone deaf some of the morons on that dev team were.

Don’t suppose you’ll make Pigs F2 ability work like Steal from Thieves, as in you use it, they search for something, and their F2 ability becomes that ability.

Right now pigs see very little use because their mechanic is incredibly cumbersome and frankly annoying.

Which is sad, because their F2 forage items I think are suppose to make up for some of the vast short comings our class has.

Mayhem.1935:

Laika.8795:

Griswold.2054:

QFT
wonderful post
finally an honest thief player and not one of those delusional ones

Ironic how you quoted bullkitten for truth.

What specifically do you find is untrue? These are things that happen everyday in WvW for me. Maybe i’m abusing something? I don’t know. I’m just using the skills that Anet has given thieves with a sprinkle of intelligence. For example just 1/2 hour ago i held up half a zerg for 15 minutes just running around dropping people and hiding behind walls and stuff. I never got hit a single time, so theoretically i could have had 1hp and it wouldnt have mattered. I was on center island between the two lower towers. No other class could do this. Coincidentely, we took the right tower (greenbriar?)

Pretty much, like i said before, all it takes is playing any class but a thief, then playing a thief to realize how moronic stealth is in this game.

Like I’ve seen some horrible implementations of stealth in games…But Anet had to be on crack with they came up with the Thief in this game and its stealth mechanic..

Its the WORST balanced mechanic i’ve seen in an MMO to date, It actually beats BW’s Combustion Mechanic as the dumbest and most ill thought out mechanic.

Yea, I’ve been abusing it some what, some builds I can’t take with it…but some people I just blow through cause they can’t do anything.

I’ve moved to a 0/30/10/0/30 Build with it, while using 2 Birds for bursting similar to my Bunker Build with PI.

Seems to work better then before.

nerva.7940:

let me know how LB works out with PVT/knight’s. im really tempted to try SB/LB with 2 fire sigils >drool< cuz LB has boss burst with quickness at 900 range or less.

I never really used LB so much for the damage, but more for that Knockback.

Okamakiri.8746:

Sebrent.3625:

Okamakiri.8746:

Xsorus.2507:

The fact that you think Rangers are a complete faceroll class because you “lvled” one up pretty much tells me everything i need to know about your opinion on the subject.

and Thieves the weakest class in Pve?

Rofl…

i will give you that thieves blow kitten underwater (at least in my opinion)

On land though…No..

Yes, Ranger is a simple class with a low skill cap. Especially in PVE.

But enlighten us, who and why is weaker than thieves in PVE? Particularly high end PVE.

OMG, you want to talk about high-end PVE? What is that exactly? The high level fractals? Do you have even a clue at the issues currently facing Rangers there? Perhaps you should take a look over at Robert Hrouda’s posts (ArenaNet Dev, since I assume you’re ignorant of this as well).

Here’s a glaring one, pet’s dying extremely easily in dungeons because some areas even calling the pet back isn’t sufficient (Ranger controls over the pet are very primitive).

Pets having no Agony Resistance even though the Ranger does.

All pets suck in this game. Ask the Necros if they have any sympathy for the Rangers. But that doesn’t mean that the Ranger is any less useful than the Thief. If you think pets are dieing easily, what do you think is happening to squishy thieves in melee range?

All pets do suck in PVE, however unlike the Necro, My effectiveness is based on my pet…a Necro can just not run pets entirely and be kitten good.

rjinx.1378:

Xsorus.2507:

I play a thief and a ranger, If you have no clue why people complain about thieves, then you have no clue how balance works in games.

High Damage/High Mobility/Stealth combination (with a crap ton of defense and heals in this game) will always be overpowered in every game you have that combination.

The fact that you get the other things now is what makes Thieves really over the top.

Now i could somewhat understand if the class required a high skill cap, But it doesn’t…..It requires the least amount of skill in the game to be successful at….

But don’t worry, I highly doubt they’ll nerf you.. so you’re safe on that front…

Having a level 80 thief (main), mesmer (2nd), warrior, ranger, ele, and engineer. and a guardian and necro on the way. I would have to disagree with the statement “It requires the least amount of skill in the game to be successful at” in regards to thieves. This statement should be said for Warrior. But this is my opinion.

The break down of my opinion is that, if a glass cannon thief makes a mistake and dodges too early, chances are they die from the mistake. However, if a glass cannon warrior makes a mistake in the same situation, his armor will shave the difference and usually keep him alive. Point in fact, why do you think every COF farm group wants 4 warriors and a mesmer. If thieves really were “no skill, best class, needs nerf” then I am certain that group would be “4 thieves and/or warriors, 1 mesmer.”

On the same note, I can say, out of all the classes I’ve leveled from start to finish, on my ranger (condition/trap build (s/d, sb)), I have to work twice as hard as my thief, warrior, and mesmer to maintain a level of damage equal to those classes, while playing lazy on warrior/thief/mez. So I can see where you got your opinion from.

But to the original point, no game is perfectly balanced, however GW1 and GW2 are closer than other games ive played (swg, swtor, tab. rasa, eq1/2, aoc to name a few).

People want warriors for that setup because they’re able to Cleave multiple mobs.

You can’t do that with daggers and pistols (only Sword)

Mayhem.1935:

Hi. First of all i want to preface this with a few facts.
1- I am a Champion Shadow in tpvp/spvp. Not a big deal but it is what it is.
2- I have lvl 80 chars of thief/mesmer/warrior/ranger
3- I prefer small man fighting in WvW, solo to under 10 players.
4- I have played MMos since UO with alot of time in DAoC as a nightshade RR8 before ToA exp.
5- My thief spec is p/d + d/p.

Now with that said i want to simply state some of my experiences with the thief in wvw.
1- I do not die. I reiterate. I DO NOT DIE. I may not “win” a fight, but there is no possible way i can die to players, even 25+ zergs. It just cannot happen. Call it culling call it whatever you want to, it never happens. Stealth and unpredictability with huge mobility is the culprit that i utilize fully.
2- Stats. I keep reading about spvp this and that on this thread like it matters. Thieves in spvp are fine yes because just like every other class they are pigeonholed to have only certain available stats with caps on crit . In wvw you can min/max your stats with ascended gear and exotics to make a stone cold killing machine. I’ve tested with a GC build and it is a JOKE how fast you can take someone out. Steal +mug c/d bs and its essentially over. Yes it isnt a “one hit” but it happens in a second flat so it might as well be.
3- Thieves are squishy and have no hps or defenses if they spec that way. This on paper is absolutely correct. However, this doesnt matter. Again, IT DOESNT MATTER. You cant die if you cant get hit. “AOE everything, L2P!” Seriously i LOL at all the AOE im 100 paces away. Shadowstep in, insta bang someone dead, shadow step back im safer than if i had 100000000 hp. All the thieves using this “crutch” of no defense are lying or not playing well.
4- People arent as bad as you think, thieves make people look bad. “they dont dodge” “they run around aimlessly” etc etc. Dodge what? Run to where? THEY CANT SEE YOU. Yes, there are some bad players. And mediocre ones, some good ones and even great ones. None of that matters. THEY CANT KILL ME. And that is a problem. I’m not a great player. I just play a thief.
5- Mobility. Yea i am currently playing p/d so yea ppl can run away from me if they are eles, or some warriors even if they have a proper weapon set. But on GC you have got to be kidding me. SB5, SS, HS movement no one escapes but them. 5 classes have no where to go if i dont want them to.
6- Stealth. Wow, just wow. In any -real- game that claims balance, ( not perfect world or some nonsense) this stealth is just OP. Health regen while stealthed, constant access to stealth IN COMBAT, remove conditions in stealth, move faster in stealth. Complete invis in stealth (no detection). Full time stealth in other games like WoW/DAoC/etc had slower movement speed, a way to detect if you where too close to other enemy players and they notice you, and removal of stealth on dmg. This is a big F up on Anet.
7-Thieves are terrible in mass fighting. This is not the case in the slightest. Keep defense/siegeing SB is like your own personal mobile siege weapon. Poison fields that do 33 less healing in a large raidus +weakness, cluster bomb that hits like a truck to multiple targets. See a downed or low life guy? Port in finish him off, port back undetected, easy peasy.
8- Thief in WvW is absolute GODMODE. Out of all my classes it was the only one i could be lvl 20 in wvw and kill actual 80s. I would get STOMPED hard on my other characters if i tried that. If you play a thief and feel you are underpowered or need buffs or we are “fine”, well…

This, ….He played DAOC..He knows what its like to go from stealth in that game, to stealth in this game.

hammer.9721:

Xsorus.2507:

hammer.9721:

Xsorus.2507:

LadyLad.1389:

Daendur.2357:

Ok you reported it… let’s write it down to not be offensive nor provoking.
I don’t believe what you are saying. I think you are largely exaggerating your statements trying to make your point.
You didn’t provide any evidence.
Anyone can write anything and pretend it’s real.

What good is evidence, when all you guys do is tear it apart with made up stuff, like has been done with Xsorus videos? Evidence isn’t enough, and I wasn’t being offensive, nor provoking. You just took it that way.

Seriously, those of us who started off with other classes, and are now playing the Thief realize just how much easier the class is to play, than our original classes. The Thief plays an entirely different game than does all the other classes.

I don’t know how anyone could deny this, with a straight face.

You can’t post a video of a thief playing as proof its overpowered, because the only evidence in that video is every other player is just bad

At least that’s what I got from this thread.

here is something i got from another thread about people in wvw being bad

Xsorus.2507:

Most people don’t dodge, because most people in World vs World are pretty bad

Best person in that video was probably that Necro at the end.

btw i wish anet would release info of how many thieves died in tier 1 this week it would shock some people in this thread

Best part about that quote is its me talking about killing a Necro with a Warrior Add (who I killed)…

I stood zero chance of dying in that video…..

In fact i can tell you flat out what kills me 9/10 on my Thief..

Last Refuge, It’s the crap talent Thieves get for 5 points in their best line (Shadow Arts)

If you kill a thief, I can pretty much guarantee you they probably died because of that talent.

you still dont understand you said one thing in one quote and the exact opposite in another.

and lol at thieves only die because of that talent and yes i do agree it is crap.like i said things are different when you go up against players of the same level but think what you want

oh and for the record i do think overall thief is the best one on one class in wvw but that is mainly because people spec gc on the other classes. once people start to learn what i did months ago they are not that hard to beat.i would much rather fight a thief on most of my 7 80’s than a mesmer who knows how to play.

I said most people are bad in World vs World

I didn’t say everyone was bad in World vs World.

I’m kind of confused how i have to explain that…

It one post i’m talking about how it doesn’t matter what you post for a video, Those people will be considered bad automatically, In the other post i’m talking about how Most people are bad in world vs world, and then point out the Necro was actually good in the video i released.

So yea..

I managed to get myself some high toughness armor for that new Daze build i’m working on.

PVT gear + Cava Jewelry + Knights Jewels.

I’m having trouble against bunker builds (like mesmer’s with the setup) and Guardians are tough as hell also, only managed to defeat the guy once in a duel, and I think he figured out what I was doing and switch to anti daze abilities

I’m thinking i will have to modify the talent some

Something like

0/30/5/5/30

My cat pet is just dying so easily without a second source of healing, and I think you need at least one DPS pet.

Okamakiri.8746:

Xsorus.2507:

Stiv.1820:

Sebrent.3625:

Then why even post about it buddy, lol.

No one here is saying they are going to uninstall if thieves do/don’t get nerfed. It is however all over the boards that other people are feeling that way about thieves.

It’s a hotly debated class. There is a massive amount of media supporting those saying that thieves likely need a nerf even after culling is fixed. Some of those people play thief as their main. The people, like you, debating the other side, simply say to be “l2p” or make a video where they intentionally play like garbage and don’t even stat/trait for it right or take into account the context being described.

I.E. he has my respect not because he agrees with me but because he is willing to admit to something that could result in a class he plays being made weaker than it currently is while you, on the other hand, selfishly deny that there is anything really wrong with it. Your posts don’t even accept the potential that there’s an issue.

As I’ve said before in my other posts, I personally don’t have problems with most thieves, but I spec specifically to be able to handle them since I roam. I however see all the garbage going on in the rest of the game to other people, then I go test it myself as a thief, and I see that there is quite a bit of validity to those claims and that it’s really easy to do as a thief … took me 5 minutes to practically master the few things we see Thieves doing. Did I get owned 1v1 by actual “pro” thieves? Yes. Did I own “pros” of other classes 1v1 as a Thief after less than an hour of play on the Thief? Yes.

He mains a Ranger not the Thief and Rangers have always been screwed over by their Pets vs C&D. They refuse to make pets stow-able so they need to make it so when a ranger evades, the pet also gets the evade immunity frames. That way a Ranger can still spend endo and have his pet dodge C&D. That is a player skill based solution that would help rangers immensely.

Everyone has an opinion or an angle they are coming from. This game is very easy to create alts with. For every one person with multiple characters who has a 80 full exotic thief and says they need a nerf there are just as many if not more who say they don’t. They also happen to play a Thief along with other professions at end game.

Thieves being overpowered is nothing in relation to Rangers (and C/D vs Ranger pets) that’s a completely separate issue entirely.

I’m actually referring how easy it is to play a Thief vs a Ranger period (not Ranger fighting a Thief for instance)

I can do pretty much everything I can on my ranger, on my thief..But require less effort and skill to do it…and have more survivability on top of it.

I tell you what, Anyone here thinks Thief isn’t overpowered, Go roll a Ranger right now, and do a Full glass cannon video of you playing it.

Come back into this thread, and tell me Thief isn’t a joke to play afterwards.

Ranger is a complete faceroll class. I’ve leveled one, it’s a snorefest. There is also this massive part of the game called PVE, where Thief is the weakest class. gtfo with your pvp bs.

The fact that you think Rangers are a complete faceroll class because you “lvled” one up pretty much tells me everything i need to know about your opinion on the subject.

and Thieves the weakest class in Pve?

Rofl…

i will give you that thieves blow kitten underwater (at least in my opinion)

On land though…No..

The problem with LB in general in PVP is if someone is moving Left or Right, you won’t hit them with Longbow, You can only hit someone running at you, or running away from you.

Hell even SB has this issue some times, but LB will always do it….I know my Thief doesn’t work like that, if I fire my shortbow, his shots will hit 100% of the time if i’m in range, LB for Rangers however… doesn’t work that way.

wish those Bal Temple would open up grin

Not all ranger specs suck, Bunker builds are actually incredibly powerful on a ranger 1v1..

They’re kind of like Thieves in that regard (shadow arts) that you can be beefy.

The difference is Thieves can escape any fight they want with a setup like that, While a Ranger pretty much has to stay and fight.

Glass Cannon Rangers though…let me tell you…BLOW..

I hate it, this talent gets me killed more then anything else.

hammer.9721:

Xsorus.2507:

LadyLad.1389:

Daendur.2357:

Ok you reported it… let’s write it down to not be offensive nor provoking.
I don’t believe what you are saying. I think you are largely exaggerating your statements trying to make your point.
You didn’t provide any evidence.
Anyone can write anything and pretend it’s real.

What good is evidence, when all you guys do is tear it apart with made up stuff, like has been done with Xsorus videos? Evidence isn’t enough, and I wasn’t being offensive, nor provoking. You just took it that way.

Seriously, those of us who started off with other classes, and are now playing the Thief realize just how much easier the class is to play, than our original classes. The Thief plays an entirely different game than does all the other classes.

I don’t know how anyone could deny this, with a straight face.

You can’t post a video of a thief playing as proof its overpowered, because the only evidence in that video is every other player is just bad

At least that’s what I got from this thread.

here is something i got from another thread about people in wvw being bad

Xsorus.2507:

Most people don’t dodge, because most people in World vs World are pretty bad

Best person in that video was probably that Necro at the end.

btw i wish anet would release info of how many thieves died in tier 1 this week it would shock some people in this thread

Best part about that quote is its me talking about killing a Necro with a Warrior Add (who I killed)…

I stood zero chance of dying in that video…..

In fact i can tell you flat out what kills me 9/10 on my Thief..

Last Refuge, It’s the crap talent Thieves get for 5 points in their best line (Shadow Arts)

If you kill a thief, I can pretty much guarantee you they probably died because of that talent.

Sebrent.3625:

Xsorus.2507:

misterdevious.6482:

Have you checked to see if the extended duration works with Rock or Bone summoned by Boar?

I have not, because I find Boars a pain in the kitten to use..

if those pigs were more like Thieves in their F2 ability I’d use them and find out..Till then i’m not going to bother, cause I know it’d be a huge pain.

If they were, I’d seriously consider using a siamoth. Stealth on a Ranger? Thank you.

Yeap, I’m hoping one day Anet will do that, It’d instantly make the Pig usable and one of the better pets.

I honestly think our Pet system is holding us back sometimes, I feel that We’re designed to have more utility then we do currently, but Anet decided to load this utility on pets and most of those pets simply aren’t very good, or flat out broken.

misterdevious.6482:

Have you checked to see if the extended duration works with Rock or Bone summoned by Boar?

I have not, because I find Boars a pain in the kitten to use..

if those pigs were more like Thieves in their F2 ability I’d use them and find out..Till then i’m not going to bother, cause I know it’d be a huge pain.

Sebrent.3625:

Could always get some knight’s gear from Arah or Sorrow’s.

Yea, not doing a dungeon, I mean..I could make it right now..but I don’t wanna waste the cash on it when I have a metric of ton Karma (like over 90 Jugs of Karma at this point) I can spend on some jewelry instead.

So i’d just assume wait, Not like i’m missing out on it.

But once I get the armor/jewelry setup i’ll make a Technobabble video…

Stiv.1820:

Sebrent.3625:

Then why even post about it buddy, lol.

No one here is saying they are going to uninstall if thieves do/don’t get nerfed. It is however all over the boards that other people are feeling that way about thieves.

It’s a hotly debated class. There is a massive amount of media supporting those saying that thieves likely need a nerf even after culling is fixed. Some of those people play thief as their main. The people, like you, debating the other side, simply say to be “l2p” or make a video where they intentionally play like garbage and don’t even stat/trait for it right or take into account the context being described.

I.E. he has my respect not because he agrees with me but because he is willing to admit to something that could result in a class he plays being made weaker than it currently is while you, on the other hand, selfishly deny that there is anything really wrong with it. Your posts don’t even accept the potential that there’s an issue.

As I’ve said before in my other posts, I personally don’t have problems with most thieves, but I spec specifically to be able to handle them since I roam. I however see all the garbage going on in the rest of the game to other people, then I go test it myself as a thief, and I see that there is quite a bit of validity to those claims and that it’s really easy to do as a thief … took me 5 minutes to practically master the few things we see Thieves doing. Did I get owned 1v1 by actual “pro” thieves? Yes. Did I own “pros” of other classes 1v1 as a Thief after less than an hour of play on the Thief? Yes.

He mains a Ranger not the Thief and Rangers have always been screwed over by their Pets vs C&D. They refuse to make pets stow-able so they need to make it so when a ranger evades, the pet also gets the evade immunity frames. That way a Ranger can still spend endo and have his pet dodge C&D. That is a player skill based solution that would help rangers immensely.

Everyone has an opinion or an angle they are coming from. This game is very easy to create alts with. For every one person with multiple characters who has a 80 full exotic thief and says they need a nerf there are just as many if not more who say they don’t. They also happen to play a Thief along with other professions at end game.

Thieves being overpowered is nothing in relation to Rangers (and C/D vs Ranger pets) that’s a completely separate issue entirely.

I’m actually referring how easy it is to play a Thief vs a Ranger period (not Ranger fighting a Thief for instance)

I can do pretty much everything I can on my ranger, on my thief..But require less effort and skill to do it…and have more survivability on top of it.

I tell you what, Anyone here thinks Thief isn’t overpowered, Go roll a Ranger right now, and do a Full glass cannon video of you playing it.

Come back into this thread, and tell me Thief isn’t a joke to play afterwards.

yeap, going to try and build a beefier set via pvt and knights gear and try it out..

gotta wait for Temple of Bath to open up though.

LB isn’t a bad weapon…..

Its just not comparable to other weapons from other classes.

That’s the main problem with Rangers, All it takes is playing other classes to realize something isn’t right with the Ranger.

LadyLad.1389:

Daendur.2357:

Ok you reported it… let’s write it down to not be offensive nor provoking.
I don’t believe what you are saying. I think you are largely exaggerating your statements trying to make your point.
You didn’t provide any evidence.
Anyone can write anything and pretend it’s real.

What good is evidence, when all you guys do is tear it apart with made up stuff, like has been done with Xsorus videos? Evidence isn’t enough, and I wasn’t being offensive, nor provoking. You just took it that way.

Seriously, those of us who started off with other classes, and are now playing the Thief realize just how much easier the class is to play, than our original classes. The Thief plays an entirely different game than does all the other classes.

I don’t know how anyone could deny this, with a straight face.

You can’t post a video of a thief playing as proof its overpowered, because the only evidence in that video is every other player is just bad

At least that’s what I got from this thread.

This a collection of video I managed to get while trying out GC SB/LB setup (I eventually drop LB to try out GS with it)

The video doesn’t show all the times I was basically 2 shot by some random thief, or any fights where I fight multiple people (Because i’ll be instantly killed if there is more then 1 person)

A lot of times it was very frustrating trying to get this video because i have to play 10x better then everyone else to win usually.

Now with that out of the way, I wanna talk about a part of the video called “Technobabble”

This is a new concept of a build i’m working on, When is set out to make this video, I wanted to do something where I was CC heavy (so you’ll see me trying different abilities/pets in the video determining what works best) Since i’m squishy i want to lock down the target long enough for me to win.

So I was using Dogs and the Condition Duration increased for pets, and this was working quite well..

But one talent I kept wondering about was Moment of Clarity… This talent basically allows us to give our pets a damage bonus whenever we interrupt the target…But it also increases all Dazes/Stuns we do by 50%…

Now normally that’s not super impressive since we basically have GS and Shortbows 1 second daze…..

HOWEVER…if you play Asura wink wink…You get an ability called Technobabble, Technobabble is an instant cast 1200 ranger 2 second duration daze on a 45 second cooldown.

That got me thinking, I wonder how good that ability is when Moment of Clarity, and to answer your question, It instantly becomes a 4 second daze with you equip that talent..If you stack the Stun Duration Sigils and Mesmer Runes, it becomes a 5 second Daze (This is how S/D Thieves roll)

Your SB/GS dazes become 2 seconds when you do this as well.

This allows me to open on people, with multiple dazes, and to lock them down so i can kill them.

Now some classes can get out of this fairly easy (Thieves, they can just teleport or stealth and nothing you can do about it) but if you’re smart about it, you can pop a 5 second Daze when a class gets low and kill them before they figure out they’re not able to heal.

Anyway, I hope you guys enjoy the video.

nerva.7940:

cant wait. ^edited some comments.

Its me abusing an Asura Racial ability that’s not Pain Inverter ;o)

nerva.7940:

xsorus, roaming with my guildies ive noticed one thing (regarding my recent build). our shatter mesmer, s/d ele and hammer warrior drop absolutely massive aoe burst, this is true. i get reports of 6k aoe hits. however, this kind of damage isnt really spammable, which is why it’s burst. one thing im finding is that i have very decent sustained damage in comparison (maybe even better). LB is garbage because it has no sustained damage. you actually lose dps by channeling barrage. this is why SB autoattack is so goode, and why piercing arrows is so important. im even beginning to consider sigil of fire a necessity. as i said, im doing a series with the SB play and im capturing consistent footage of some really nice numbers on groups of opponents. and remember, the closer you are the shorter the distance the arrows have to travel, so the greater the burst.

You’re not really glass cannon though with your new build, I think your new build is actually fine though, You can probably be successful quite well on a ranger with that build.

By the way, watch the end of my next video, You’re going to get a kick out of it.

I play a thief and a ranger, If you have no clue why people complain about thieves, then you have no clue how balance works in games.

High Damage/High Mobility/Stealth combination (with a crap ton of defense and heals in this game) will always be overpowered in every game you have that combination.

The fact that you get the other things now is what makes Thieves really over the top.

Now i could somewhat understand if the class required a high skill cap, But it doesn’t…..It requires the least amount of skill in the game to be successful at….

But don’t worry, I highly doubt they’ll nerf you.. so you’re safe on that front…

No Walking.6349:

How about 6 seconds of quickness, with a buffed up SB hitting from 1200 with the pet harassing….don’t QQ about rangers, they’re great. How about not running into the middle of the fray like you do with your thief.

We have 2 seconds of Quickness over everyone else.

The problem is damage simply isn’t there, I’m actually saving my new movie right now that i’m going to post here today, It’s me using Longbow/Shortbow/Greatsword, and you’ll see me use Quickness to kill a thief in the very first fight.

However you’ll notice the damage is kitten poor, and i could easily post a video of me being killed as a GC ranger in about 2 seconds from a thief with their backstab chain.

The damage isn’t remotely close, Not even by a long shot.

Factor in in the survivability (I fought the thief that two shotted me 5 times, He killed me once, every other time if he didn’t land the instant kill, He simply stealthed and ran away…..Oh how i’d love that option on my Ranger)

Warriors are the same way, They have more armor/health for sure, But they do more damage then us, and they get better defensive abilities as a glass cannon.

Anyway, i’ll post my video here in about an hour that should give people an idea.

I also came up with another cheese build though..I’ll post about it in the main thread.

Stealth is but one of the issues, the other issue is we simply do less damage then everyone else.

The ability to reset a fight will always be overpowered in any PvP game..

The ability to do it multiple times till you manage to win is why Stealth is overpowered.

in DAOC if I screwed up, I could vanish and be useless for a bit..It had a long cooldown.

in Warhammer online, i had to exit combat for 10 seconds I believe it was before i could stealth again.

In Rift, Vanish in that game had a 2 minute timer, and was moronic as well.

In SWTOR, Marauders had an incombat stealth on a short cooldown that they could abuse and again, they were overpowered…

This game actually goes a step beyond Marauders in stupidity..

You can stealth, constantly.. in combat…With no Penalty….there is no disadvantage to having stealth in this game…

You can escape virtually every fight if you just play smart….

If you screw up, you can just run away with no one able to do anything about it.

You get to do this while having some of the best Damage in the game…

I have a thief, it is overpowered… and a complete joke to play..

Currently i’ve been playing Glass Cannon Ranger for the past 2 days gathering video for kittens and giggles, and the thing i’ve determined playing the class is there is simply no Cannon present…

Now I can do damage…don’t get me wrong, But compared to every other class, i don’t do anywhere close to the same amount.

Here is how bad it is, I’ve got 100% crit damage bonus, and and virtually zero toughness….and a bit of HP from valks…..But my thief wearing my PVT/Knights set for my S/D setup will hit harder then everyone of my abilities on my ranger.

My Thief has almost 2000 toughness running that setup, but does more damage then my Ranger.

It wouldn’t be that bad If i had half the survivability of my Thief…But there is none….You can either use a 2 Minute Signet (and spec 30 into a line for it) or you can kill your pet..That’s it..You have nothing else.

Now i’m sure anet thinks the pet makes up for this, It does not…It doesn’t remotely make up for doing half the damage of every other Glass Cannon with no survivability.

Durzlla.6295:

Xsorus.2507:

Durzlla.6295:

Xsorus.2507:

Signets problems are the incredibly long cooldown attached with them

The only signets that have longer cooldowns then ours are the Rez ones from Necro’s and Guardians

most signets have 20-45 second cooldowns

This, i can understand sig of stone and sig of wild having long CD’s, but really? 120s long? That’s a bit much isn’t it? Maybe 90s or something, but those two certainly need a reduction to them…

PS: Keep in mind our signets are a bit, well, stronger than other profs, that being said they do need a reduction on CD with the exception of SotH that one is the only one in a sane place.

They need to be 60 seconds..

I’d be 100% ok with this tbh, the only thing i’d say about making SoS 60s is because it’s an invuln active, but at the same time, that doesn’t affect you until you spend 30pts and i feel they shouldn’t balance the skill around the having grandmaster trait, well entirely around it.

It’d be same cooldown as Endure Pain for warriors…but with a Talent cost.

I’m thinking you could buy most of the sets gear with Karma

you’d have to make a simple change though

PVT armor + Cavaliers Jewelry (use knights jewels)

you’re using Signet of the Wild I bet?

If so, remove that signet and watch as they ignore you and go back to your pet.

For those who don’t know..Signet of the Wild is a Huge aggression magnet for the ranger.

All it takes is playing a Glass Cannon of any class other then a thief to realize how silly stealth actually is.

Like i said, simply make our dodge apply aegis to the pet.

Simple, and easy to do.