Guild Wars 2

Rackhir Tanelorn.9123:

I might very well be wrong about their hardware implementation, but I’ve never seen/heard anything about LA lagging when a 3-way fight is blocking CPU Cycles in Stonemist…

Regardless it’s a tangent to the topic – ANet will know best what their infrastructure is and whether it is viable or not no matter what we post here.

That was basically the point. Without a pretty good idea about implementation there’s no point in briging it into argument. As in “well, that would be easy to implement since servers are already separate.” Even with pretty good idea there’s no point. Since devs know better anyway.

Rackhir Tanelorn.9123:

BlazeQ.1095:

If I understand the op correctly, It means dedicated Servers for WvW that are separate from the servers we now know. I would support this for multiple reasons. But adding more servers to the data centers might not be a financial feasibility. I love the idea, I just don’t know what the costs would be to add the servers needed to do so.

WvW already runs on its own Servers (that’s how WvW could be down yesterday while Servers were still up).

I’d warn against talking confidently about back-end architecture. I’d imagine that “servers” (OS instances) are abstracted from software module instances. If you think that there’s a single piece of hardware that exclusively runs your “server” or part of it, that’s probably not true. Virtualization is a funny thing

Yaro.3251:

OK so my main is 314 WvW rank and 39 fractal lvl. Where should I go?

The idea in Zenguy’s post is you stay (or go) to whatever PvE Server you want for that, and then separately also choose a WvW Server Allegiance for Matches. There would be fewer WvW Servers than PvE Servers and the idea is to keep them all better populated/balanced.

Ah, now it looks better. Still such segmentation and mix-up of communities may be confusing and counterproductive.

Avariz.8241:

The progenitor and the formative development of blobbing is GvG. This is when initially beginning with 5 or up to 8 players a side that now has grown to upwards from 10 to 15 and even 25 plus a side. Blobbing and GvG uses the same style of play. Both use the same techniques and control. Both are created by the same group of people run by the same group of commanders.

That’s a purest pile of misconceptions/factual errors I’ve ever seen about WvW. Like every sentence is just plain wrong, Well, I mean, it may be true in some particular case on some server where OP is coming from, but even then, half is still got wrong.

1. It’s other way around. Blobbing is a cause for GvG. As in, it is an enemy GvG crowd is aiming at.
2. The idea of blob is to maximize numbers. The idea of organized groups who use GvG as training ground is to minimize numbers while still being able to represent map-wide force to recon with.
3. “This is when initially beginning with 5 – 8 blah blah” – where you even coming from with this? Why 5 or 8? Initially it is either 1 (solo player) or x (a group of players) where x can be anywhere between 2 and map limit depending on guild size.
4. Blob doesn’t use techniques. Blob is a random hive.
5. Blob is not created specifically by single person. One person tags up and it’s up to anyone on map to follow this person. Or not.

But probably I should have asked first: “What exact number represents ‘blob’ in your opinion”?

BlazeQ.1095:

Yaro.3251:

Zenguy.6421:

Solution:

1. Unhook the one-to-one link between PvE and WvW servers
   (required for #2)

What do you mean by that?

If I understand the op correctly, It means dedicated Servers for WvW that are separate from the servers we now know. I would support this for multiple reasons. But adding more servers to the data centers might not be a financial feasibility. I love the idea, I just don’t know what the costs would be to add the servers needed to do so.

OK so my main is 314 WvW rank and 39 fractal lvl. Where should I go?

Zenguy.6421:

Solution:

1. Unhook the one-to-one link between PvE and WvW servers
   (required for #2)

What do you mean by that?

[fixing the thread]

bradderzh.2378:

It was implemented to help alts.

No it’s not. It still has single, very limited source. Laurels income is not multiplied by number of alts. Neither is liquid WEXP. We still have single pool of resources to spend across all characters. Guess what – as long as there are useful masteries to have, all of this pool will be spent on main.

Genotix.6804:

I agree let’s return to the civil discussion

Civilians are not allowed into military matters of high importance!

sendmark.4731:

295529kitteny.6340:

thx abbadon <3

OCD bag organiser.

Team “Pink Afro” xD

Achilles.2197:

Yaro.3251:

Achilles.2197:

Where can I send this Dev a thank-you note? Or a fruit basket?

I thought you don’t like zergfests. What do you care about WvW and ppt?

Who said I care about WvW and ppt? I don’t want the name of my favorite game-mode being ripped to shreds by zerglings pretending to do it. If they want to dress-up and run around pretending to be something they aren’t they should wait a few more weeks, Halloween is just on the horizon

Sigh, I though you can do better than that.
How this incident helps your cause, care to explain? Semantics weren’t even a slightest part of it. If this unofficial GW2 mode was going to be banned, it for sure would go down the history by the name you cherish so much, so it is not helping, quite opposite. The only chance to claim the title back you have is as long as Nancy lives.

Oh, and btw, you’ve just “spat in the face”, in your own words, of much larger player base by misusing term “zergling”. Stop that please.

xD

mmzn.8201:

Vol.5241:

This change was good for me -I was at rank 90 and had about +110 laurels and more than enough badges.

I’m already tricked out in ascended accessories and even have the Endless Cat Tonic, so my laurels were only accumulating.

With leagues coming in a few weeks I bought about 40 ranks to get Applied Fortitude.

Yes laurels are time-gated but I still have about 70 left over incase new items are released.

Good for you because you are investing in ONE toon, people with a lot of ALTs that want to play with all of them is left behind.

If I was interested in playing only one characters the old system was fine, but this is not the case for me and for many others who want to play more then one char.

I know people with Rank 300+, ask them if they have interest in playing their ALTs with rank 31. LMAO

I have 6 out of 8 professions leveled and geared to full exo + some asc primarily for WvW (and btw I’ve spent quite a bit of bozos doing so). Main is geared to the fullest ofc with 1 leggy and asc weapons/trinkets.
Before advent of WEXP I was happy camper enjoying full range of experiences. Now I play main character mostly. And tbh I feel a bit like I was cheated.

Sirendor.1394:

LOOOOOOOLAnyone else: PLAY PVE TO WIN?!

This argument though should go away since you can do dailies on WvW/sPvP.

Achilles.2197:

Where can I send this Dev a thank-you note? Or a fruit basket?

I thought you don’t like zergfests. What do you care about WvW and ppt?

Normally? No. But that’s not a “normal” ballista hit. With relevant masteries maxed and depending on target stats, that looks quite passible. Moral: do not run head first into ballistas. Spread shots are dangerous. Especially if you eat all of it.

melodey.4652:

When will anet realize no one wants this kitten?

Well of course players do not want any time-gating. Pleasing players with them is not the point. It’s a hack to artificially extend play time. Most of MMOs have that. Not that it is a good thing, but yeah, pretty normal unfortunately.

Tricare.2946:

Why do people keep saying this GvG is real GvG?

Congrats on the bite. Anything to keep the thread going, eh?

Fay.2735:

Nobody deserves to get 25 pages of public lynching over what he did.

All this is blown out of proportions, that’s for sure. But discussion is long ago revolving more around premises, not incident and person themselves.

Just shows that this topic is hugely heated in terms of passion to the game and level of conflict between both sides. Or is it three? Excuse me for a second, let me count quickly:
- ArenaNet
- GvG WvWers
- Non-GvG WvWers
- GW1 GvG adepts

Oh, that’s four.

As a former active GvG participant, I would go as far as to say that if there are guilds that are only GvGing, I wouldn’t personally support them and would be close to accepting non-GvG WvWers’ arguments regarding affect of taking WvW slots etc (though still it is up to them to play the game the way they want within ToC).

The world I’m living in though is the one where strongest GvG guilds are those who also are strongest and most “feared” force out there in WvW (apart from massive blobs and nightcappers ofc). You can’t really keep up as strong GvG opponent if you do not actively participate in WvW, and most guilds do. 1-2-3 GvGs a week and 7 normal daily WvW raids that can easily go over 4-6 hours of play. In my guild, people who were skipping a lot of WvW raids, simply wouldn’t be accepted into the GvG team. As an emergency substitute at best.

As long as Anet is not releasing any changes to the game that would resolve queue problem with GvGs on WvW, I think the problem should be really worked on internally to resolve it gracefully by servers’ WvW communities, as those who GvG are part of it. You don’t really have other options in sandbox since the confrontation and alienation route isn’t really leading anywhere other than destabilizing community.

On the unrelated note, someone was mentioning adrenaline rush GvG gives. This is true, and it plays into the way dev was treated in aforementioned incident. It’s like you are sitting in F1 bolid, lights are about to go off and suddenly you have some guy standing nearby trying to distract you with something related to how horrible are internal combustion cars for ecosystem. He may have best intentions, but… you’ve got the picture. I’m not advocating for the way dev was treated, just trying to give some perspective.

Pendragon.8735:

GvG is not really just the same thing with more people, because its about the individual subsuming his own decision making (including in fight action, when to use prime abilities, and build designing) to someone else. The most important person in a GvG is the person designing the team composition, understanding what for the current game build is making for the best skill and class combos, etc.

This is very limiting description. It may be one way to look at it but in better teams there’s much more personal decision making going on, and team composition/synergy/tactics are objects of constant open discussion.

rhodoc.2381:

GvG is just a practice arena to get bigger zergs down in WvW.

Made my post look overly verbose. Hate you!

:)

If you don’t find “20 people wailing on each other” interesting, it would be hard to explain. But basically it is the same reason as normal WvW open field battles of medium to larger size. And I’m using this term broadly. Like fight in Garrison lord room would also qualify.

If you take a look at how GvG scene came into existence, it was for simple reason: Guilds were running on WvW and then were coming to the forum for recognition of their efforts in “wiping x times enemy blobs” only to read comments like “what are you talking about, it is your side that was x10 more and then some, including piles of siege in the backline”.

So the idea was obvious – remove as many random factors that are outside of control on both sides and see who will be standing tall in the end.

GvG team numbers are such for the same reason – it is same teams that run normal WvW raids, it is basically the ballpark of usual WvW guild raids. My definition (which I like personally, but others may not feel like it) is that it is minimum number of players that is required for WvW raid to have a chance to stand on their own feet no matter what enemy is throwing at them.

If you’ve got to this point reading, you can probably answer yourself why sPvP custom arena 8×8 format does not resonate among WvW guilds as GvG platform.

EvilSardine.9635:

If I make myself TWO one handed ascended weapons totaling almost 100 gold worth of material, I would get the following stat improvements TOTAL:

8 Power
.3% crit chance (yes, there’s a decimal there)
0% crit damage

You are ignoring base weapon damage increase for some reason which is about 5% between exotic and ascended/legendary two-handers.

Btw that’d be 18 power, if you count two infusion slots.

Difference between rare and exotic gear set is like having food or not (102 major and 75 minor stat, is that correct? Didn’t count it myself).

P.S. Da Sonic has beat me to it. Should have read the whole topic before replying

Yudge.4867:

melodey.4652:

assumes OP is T1
checks chat logs
Suspicions confirmed, spend a day in one of the lower tiers and maybe you’ll feel the sting of the few and far between rank-ups and the fact that you are actively being punished for having so many alts. Two words: Guard. Stacks.

So you took the time to check OP previous posts and confirm your suspicions, but didn’t take the time to actually read what he posted. He is agreeing with you that you should have account bound ranks so you are not punished.

OP was exceptionally decieving, there’s no need to ridicule people who fell to that. Title says “should remain soulbound” and actual message is buried in poorly executed attempt at debate trap.

Antara.3189:

So if Yaro is correct, it’s currently targeting an audience that provides no benefit to the outcome of WvW.

Devon corrected me as indeed intensive is also for those already on the map so they do not leave as easily. It is just not a “buff” in terms of battle mechanics. And shouldn’t be. As shouldn’t bloodlust IMO.

Just ignore and report the troll. Even if they have red tag.

aspirine.6852:

Yaro.3251:

The idea of outmanned buff is to give enough incentive for more people to join the war on the losing side. Not to make those who are already on the map stronger – that would be unfair.

I am not following your logic, because the outnumbered message is allready an indication that your opponents are stronger. You10- they 50, what chance do you stand to keep your tower?

None? As long as you don’t have huge advantage in player skill level. And you shouldn’t have any. Why should there be any chance for you when you are outnumbered?

This buff’s idea is to give your allies who are not currently on WvW incentive to join the battle even though the odds are they will die a lot, to try and turn the tide.

Developers have stated that they think of WvW ranks as personal progression record. Much like levels as opposed to traits or any currency. The difference between PvP ranks and WvW ranks is that former do not give any battle advantage, they are pretty much achievements with “bells and whistles” kinds of rewards.

That is not to say I agree with it, as I think it goes against the idea of “playing the game the way you want” and levels are not time-gated, as you can basically pay to get from 1 to 80 in a couple of hours.
I for one have leveled and geared 6 out of 8 professions mainly for WvW and was enjoying the full breadth of experience WvW provides for different professions without “falling behind the crowd” with any of them.

Nowadays I can’t, as each of my characters basically needs about 230+ ranks to stay on top of the arm race. Which is impossible for me. It is really sad and harms greatly my interest in the game.

The idea of outmanned buff is to give enough incentive for more people to join the war on the losing side. Not to make those who are already on the map stronger – that would be unfair.

Whether these incentives work as well as they thought to be by developers – I don’t know. Only thing I know is buffing any side of the fence combat-wise, be it losing or winning one, is unfair. Orbs kinda blow in this regard.

I’m having really hard time accepting the idea of punishing players with debuffs or stats penalties for ganging up. It is like putting invisible wall so players cannot get where developers don’t want them to get although landscape suggests area should be perfectly accessible. I..e. ILLOGICAL hack.

Numbers, when exceeding certain threshold, should prevail in open field battles, period.

What can and should be done is environment itself and incentives. Like orbs – that’s a step in correct direction in regards of giving smallscale more breathing space. Otoh orbs introduce a number of problems, but I’ll not get into that.

I have same problem with ideas of making it more “fair” by punishing stronger side or buffing weaker side. How the kitten it is fair just escapes me. Best one should win competition, whatever “best” means in particular environment. The problem is not with the one who has excelled in these circumstances, the problem if any is with environment. And that’s what should be addressed.

In case of zergs it may be giving smallscale more weight in ppt, making more diverse landscape that would make big blobs sub-optimal etc, changes to AoE cap and retal mechanics.

In case of blowouts etc it is population balance that should be addressed.

Debuffing players based on the number of allies around is just total bullkiten.

How about retaliation? How it fits into your idea of uncapped AoE?

One tick of your uncapped AoE placed perfectly on the zerg and you dead. Ask mesmers how they feel about putting feedback on retal-heavy zergs. Of flamethrower engies.

mooty.4560:

Yaro.3251:

I’m not glazing over anything, the point is, I personally (and those who didn’t play GW1) just do not accept this “measuring stick” as something meaningful. All this “certified, franchise tag carrying sequel” talk doesn’t hold water for me either.

Well sure, there’s a certain ignorance there but that’s why I’m trying to make you understand why bringing up GvG at all is going to immediatly warrant GW1 comparisons. You can spit in the face of GW1 fans all you want but it won’t change anything.

So when those GW1 fans are throwing rocks at GW2 fans and bashing them with “measuring stick” – that’s OK. But when GW2 fans are saying they don’t care, that’s somehow “spitting in the face”? What’s wrong with this picture?

Jeez, just get over it.

I don’t have a go at GW1. It may be/have been best game ever. Most probably it was. I. just. don’t. care.

Too much that is. Since I may even take a closer look at GW1 some day, I’ve bought it anyway a while ago to get familiar with the great legacy, but got immediate anaphylaxis caused by game physics.

butch.8136:

Wryog.5073:

When a lot of people (compared to sPvP) ask for a game mode in an MMO with 0 rewards for it, you just know that that mode is good.

How frequently are there GvG’s? I don’t see many on the ‘upcoming GvG’ part.
It’s rare and that makes it special and fun.

This week is quite a slow one GvG-wise.

mooty.4560:

Yaro.3251:

We just do not care what it was in some other game as many of us didn’t even play it. We enjoy this “watered down”, as you’ve put it, combat system that frees you from ancient trinity cage and unholy GCD, and works at your speed, not its own.

I’m pretty sure it still works at it’s own speed and it’s arguable that the trinity was ever a “cage” or not. In fact I’m pretty sure that more dedicated player roles would do wonders to promote team play and keep people interested in GW2 PvP. It’s just a marketing ploy man, you been had.

As for GW1 being “just some other game” you are glazing over the issue that this game is the certified, franchise tag carrying sequel and GW1 is the only measuring stick. Anytime you bring up something as important as “GvG”, even if it’s just in name only, you are willingly bringing the GW1 contrasts into the conversation.

I never asserted you didn’t have a point. What I was trying to say is that it is subjective. Like trinity [not] being a cage or dedicated roles promoting skill and teamplay.

I’m not glazing over anything, the point is, I personally (and those who didn’t play GW1) just do not accept this “measuring stick” as something meaningful. All this “certified, franchise tag carrying sequel” talk doesn’t hold water for me either.

mooty.4560:

Yaro.3251:

Vamp Rook.7835:

GW1 GvG : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2mqkeocrPw

GW2 Zerg vs Zerg: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3y601EvDD0k

If you think this reinforces your point – it’s not. If there’s too much happening on the screen too fast for you in WvW GvGs, it doesn’t mean there’s no depth to that.

I could on the same note say that IMO GW1 GvG video above looks extremely bleak, boring and lacking dynamics, but I’m sure there’s much more to it than meets untrained eye. Same with WvW GvG.

I’m sorry but there really, really isn’t anywhere close to the degree of depth and strategy in something like “WvW GvG” as there is in GW1 GvG. The main reason for this is the combat system itself, although there is far more movement and it’s very frenetic(“more arcade” as you said) it’s just not as in-depth as GW1’s and that’s especially obvious in team play. If you had a grasp of what GW1 PvP was all about, granted a lot of players don’t including some ex-GW1 players who didn’t really focus on PvP, you would never try to draw a comparison to anything GW2 offers—player constructed or not. This game was simplified, watered down if you will, to appeal to a broader audience and will never, ever live up to the quality of PvP in it’s predecessor.

I wouldn’t argue about that and was newer trying to compare these two since I didn’t play GW1 (couple of hours doesn’t count). Again, WvW GvG is a community-driven thing that was born as an answer to the problems of WvW as seen by considerable amount of dedicated WvW players.

There’s NO argument from WvW GvG crowd that their thing is objectively “better”, is a “successor” or in any other way even slightly related (except a generic name) to GW1 GvG. You are imagining things if you think that this argument exists.

We just do not care what it was in some other game as many of us didn’t even play it. We enjoy this “watered down”, as you’ve put it, combat system that frees you from ancient trinity cage and unholy GCD, and works at your speed, not its own.

I share your concern butch, but cons of having community-driven thing that interferes with implemented game mode are high. WvWers who don’t GvG think of it as a distraction from “real thing” and partially rightfully so. WvWers who GvG cannot have clean controlled environment because of the WvW nature.

Vamp Rook.7835:

GW1 GvG : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2mqkeocrPw

GW2 Zerg vs Zerg: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3y601EvDD0k

If you think this reinforces your point – it’s not. If there’s too much happening on the screen too fast for you in WvW GvGs, it doesn’t mean there’s no depth to that.

I could on the same note say that IMO GW1 GvG video above looks extremely bleak, boring and lacking dynamics, but I’m sure there’s much more to it than meets untrained eye. Same with WvW GvG.

Zumy.6318:

Yaro.3251:

Why?

BC GvG is splitting, tactics, burst, avoidance, reaction, etc.

There’s all that in WvW GvG. It is more arcade and fast-paced though. But more to the point,

20vs20 is circling in a ball and spamming skills. No offense intended.

, more to the point, numbers themselves are irrelevant. Although the more guildies are involved in the same battle, the more it is worthy of a “Guild versus Guild” name, I would argue. But that’s more of semantics argument, which is futile.

What does matter is that WvW GvG has evolved as community thing. Lacking game mode support, all we have atm is basic type of team PvP – TDM. It doesn’t mean we won’t like something more complex and requiring heavy multi-tasking on the guild level. It’s just that TDM is what we can do without additional support from the game. What won’t probably work though is sPvP-like side objectives because they distract from actual fights. Strictly IMHO of course.

It also doesn’t mean TDM is a bad mode by itself for GvG.

Simplest? Sure.

Simplistic? Well, it could be a spam-fest for sure, but it is what you as a team make of it.

/edited to fix a couple of typos

Why?

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Ogre.1750:

GvG Showdown ep 8 — Enjoy! o7

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvtSzNDhFf0

From the comments on video:

“Arturo Villanueva: Good joob? Ogro. BuLL will be back soon.”

Sounds great

Oh wow. Nancy is just getting better and better lol.

Had a blast watching the vod. High quality stuff, thank you Scnd, VII, Ogre and Sacrx for the show!

More analysis anyone? I mean, in addition to Sacrx’s commentary.

In particular I’d like to hear what do you think about VII’s adaptability. Losing one round after another, did they try to do anything differently? Tactics, composition, builds… If anyone from VII can comment, that would be also great.

ParaldaWind.4523:

Yeah, [VII] is crazy good.

Agree. In GvG vs VII we basically saw us, what it would look like if we’d be more focused, dedicated and saw all our ideas through.

Seeing VII walking right through all the competition lately, I wonder and love to see if there’s anyone atm who can stop them Not that I wan’t them to be stopped lol.

Ogre.1750:

vii sent both their victims on a crysis… rumors of disband on GH, Mya cancels all their appointments… really. Its like they cannot belive what happened or sumtin. Disbelief.

With GH it is merely a coincidence. I know it may be hard to believe but it is. GH was in progress “crysis” for quite some time. But “Its like they cannot belive what happened” is close enough for how GvG vs VII felt, for me at least..

Viking Jorun.5413:

vladAnco.8304:

One thing i know exactly, many ppl want to leave this hame because anet dont want to create some GvG stuff. Like me aswell… its become to be boring, every day running on www w/o some points. Many ppl dont wanna care about server ranking or something else, we wanna just having a fun with exactly purposes like “Guild Rating”. As i started playing the game i thought its GUILD WARS, but it ISNT guild wars, its mostly BLOB or Pug-Wars. I Hope anet will do something that the game justified the name “GUILD wars”

Then leave. It’s uneducated people like you who don’t even know that The Guild Wars was an event in Tyrian history
…
…
We don’t need that attitude.

This is not really “an attitude” or being uneducated.

If anything, the name was a poor choice for a franchise. Sure, GW1 theme revolved around this event, but in GW2 it is a thing of the past, some old war, a point in vast Tyria history (Tyria as planet, not only continent). So it is natural that people find the name unfitting or at least strange. It’s like you’d play the game called WW2 with the plot unfolding on Earth in present day and having nothing to do with WW2 specifically. Just because there was an event in Earth history, it wouldn’t make the name fitting.

Anyway, that’s more time that this subject is worth of spending on, TL:DR is, it is perfectly fine for people to complain about it or find it strange. It is just not so much a real argument, more like joke/pun.

not the game’s staple, that encourage others to quit the game

As you see, for some it is. Let’s try not to generalize

As i started playing the game i thought its GUILD WARS, but it ISNT guild wars

Yaro.3251:

SabreWalrus.8647:

Does this mean the aforementioned issues told to me are not existent anymore and we’ll be able to fight GH in the near future, too?

I’m not sure which issues are you talking about, you’ll have to contact whoever you was trying to arrange bouts with before. We are notorious for having ridiculously low number of GvGs (official and unofficial combined) compared to others guilds in top10-15, and there are several reasons for that, which also change over time.

Oh, I see now. I just wasn’t aware it went outside the guild early. No, unfortunately, issue didn’t went away.

SabreWalrus.8647:

Does this mean the aforementioned issues told to me are not existent anymore and we’ll be able to fight GH in the near future, too?

I’m not sure which issues are you talking about, you’ll have to contact whoever you was trying to arrange bouts with before. We are notorious for having ridiculously low number of GvGs (official and unofficial combined) compared to others guilds in top10-15, and there are several reasons for that, which also change over time.

Ogre.1750:

VII is looking amazing, they seem to have an edge over the rest. It’s close guys. It’s very close…

The next Big Thing.

Yeah, seems so.

Thanks VII for GvG tonight and congratulations for clear victory. Can you please stay on Kodash for some more weeks so we can meet more often?
Nah, I’m just kidding. Or am I?..

Anyway, it is exactly what we are looking for in GvG – opponents who are pushing us to the limit and beyond. I’d trade 1 hour or tonight’s GvG for a month of usual WvW raiding any day. Still thrilled…

Runty Choir.4893:

Please tell me someone knows the VII vs GH results?

It was rescheduled.

bradderzh.2378:

Use the search function and stop making new threads about the same thing.

Right, “the search button”.

Let me ask you something, did you ever use it? Because if you did, you’d know that search is known to be completely broken on this forum.

LilMcGinley.3890:

Hickeroar.9734:

Hate to burst your bubble @MartyPartys but heres a direct quote from Devon Carter

“Are the orbs coming back? No. Are we bringing back the buff? Yes, although the way you get it and hold it is going to be drastically different. Are you going to see a major map change in concert with this? Yes. Is it coming soon? Most definitely.”

From this thread:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Orbs-of-Power-gonna-return/first

They are bringing the stat buff back.

And then later Devon said they provided no details about what “the buff” was, as a backpedal on that comment.

Everyone is under the assumption that "the buff’ is the original + stats buff.

If I understood correctly, the point was that they are not bringing portable orbs back so you wouldn’t be able to shift the focus of “orb fight” to GvG spot.

Tyaen.5148:

Is this just to put the stability skills on cooldown?
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Is the idea just to hope to catch someone sleeping?

Yes and yes. Although this particular case, as you correctly pointed out, is not the best “CD trading” deal.

This thread will not drown. Not on my watch.

saiyr.3071:

Aberrant.6749:

Idk if this has been mentioned but there is a guild (which shall remain unnamed) that purposefully gets their characters close to leveling to help them win the first couple of rounds. This is very hard to prove (it was only confirmed to me by a member of that guild that I’m friends with).

Hahaha that sounds like pro strats to me.

Level up is also a good AoE So indeed a pro strat.

That’s a good point.

Anyway, on with keeping this thread up.