Guild Wars 2

Xae Isareth.1364:

Yaro.3251:

But that’s reality, how can you ignore it. And you are correct, you are going nowhere if you are both trying to create an environment suited for massive amounts of players and to have restrictive rules in this environment. That’d not fly. You will lose first M in “MMO” pretty quickly.

It’s one of those things like lag. It’s reality but I’d we built every mechanism around people having lag, the game would t have a dodge or interrupt mechanic to start with.

I understand where are you coming from, but that’s rather extreme.

You are basically saying that “what can go wrong with this” analysis should be simply skipped. That’s dangerous way of introducing something new into massive multiplayer system.

I didn’t say “every”. Of course each risk should be assigned a number of characteristics and dealt with differently based on them. Some mitigated, some eliminated, some tranferred. Some accepted.

Most probably.

Sreoom.3690:

First of all, Yaro and Forum community, please accept my apology for submitting a half baked thought into the forums.

/tip the hat
There’s no need for a formal apology, but it is refreshing to see such attitude.

What your suggestions are still lacking though is consistency and logic. Namely, there’s still no problem statement. What are you trying to solve in the first place? That’s not clear. Your initial suggestion was looking like a way to limit the inflow of players to WvW while forcing increased activity of players who decide to accept the risk. Second one seem to be aimed more at increasing rewards but balancing them out by additional risk factor.

So again, what is the problem you are trying to solve?

johnnymiller.5968:

If players are spying for other servers how much success does it lead to in reality?

Funny you have mentioned “success in reality” in computer game forum thread

Kyle.3856:

JonPeters.5630:

The change to sword damage from 5% to 10%. I’ve seen a lot of talk that maybe it is not really needed. The fact was this was a lackluster trait and this is a lackluster change to it. I would love to do the right thing here and have a change that MH sword wants rather than just 5% more damage.

Thoughts?

Jon

Hi Jon,

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Soft CC is probably the best solution to add to this trait.

Xar.6185:

Sword #2 needs to become a leap finisher.

I would also like to see sword #3 allow movement at the same rate as greatsword #2

Sword 2 could also have (however brief) immobilize available via traits which would make connecting sword 3 that much easier. Much like mesmers’ 3-3-2 sword combo that has immobilize by default with second “3”. I’d trade any sword buffs for that personally pvp-wise

I’m not the one to answer this question Smooth, really. I’m just goofing around

But evidence suggests that either the person who started the topic was after some kind of global fame/recognition, OR there’s more to it. Advertising to external parties is one of possibilities that is an obvious option.

I’d assume that’s a PR move to inform appropriate parties about existence of new decision making body so they understand that there are new possibilities to form all kinds of treaties/memoranda of intent.

Probably, yes. I was simply thinking about some relatively rare kind of game where you have bigger team numbers. Didn’t expect to see rugby experts jumping right at it lol.

They should form a subcommittee for that. And another one to oversee it.

Sreoom.3690:

I think I hit a nerve. Sorry dude…keep refreshing your server’s siege and capping ruins.

..Seriously, does anyone go into WvW to not earn WxP?

Do you play the game only to get better at it? Logic is strong (NOT) in this one, neither do stabs at others’ alleged playstyle anything to reinforce your point.

No, not everyone goes to WvW to get WEXP. Simply because WEXP makes sense only inside WvW, so what would be the entry point to start playing in WvW anyway? For me that was big incentive for as long as I didn’t have guard leech and applied fortitude. Now it is not at all, but I continue to play WvW. And btw I was playing heavily before WEXP was even introduced. Go figure…

P.S. Upgrading/refreshing siege/playing for ptt is as far from my incentives to play WvW as it can get.

I’m not folks and I’m dumb, can admit that. So… ruins do not necessarily award wexp. As does not scouting/upgrading/refreshing siege. Not to mention that wexp IMO would be one of last things you’d think about as a merit of someone doing something “useful for server” on WvW. Chain-cap deals are one of examples.

But that’s reality, how can you ignore it. And you are correct, you are going nowhere if you are both trying to create an environment suited for massive amounts of players and to have restrictive rules in this environment. That’d not fly. You will lose first M in “MMO” pretty quickly.

Define “do jack”.

If they are doing something against ToC, report them. If not – what’s the problem?

So basically those who spent 100g get to play the game, others are zombies/slaves of those few. Did I get that right?

What if some squad/unit decides to not follow commander orders?

Everything else is already in the game so you are talking about details, namely which upgrades are available.

And what about troll commanders? For example for me 100g is not a big deal, if I feel like it I can buy a tag and BOOM! Bwuhahahaha, “Who is the boss of you? Me! I am the boss of you!”

P.S. +1 if you got the reference

docMed.7692:

Yaro.3251:

Jaxs.5830:

Every video of zerg play is pretty much the same

Every rugby game video for me is pretty much the same. Just because I’m not versed in rules, meta, tactics details etc. Every zerg video otoh for me is quite different though.

As someone who played collegiate rugby and still plays club, and as someone who has 3,000 hours played in Guild Wars 2; that analogy is completely off.

The point of analogy was to reveal the flaw in “every” premise.

As someone who understands pretty well what rugby is, you could tell the awful backyard amateur rugby video from all-blacks greatest hits one. As someone who understands pretty well GW2 meta and large scale battles I can tell the PUG all-map zerg video from 1-2-3 guild raids zerg video. They are not “all the same”.

Can I see your server representative papers Fannmong?

“NOTE: My views are mostly my own, I do not speak for the server.” Hmm ohhkaayyy…

Jaxs.5830:

Every video of zerg play is pretty much the same

Every rugby game video for me is pretty much the same. Just because I’m not versed in rules, meta, tactics details etc. Every zerg video otoh for me is quite different though.

That would be GREAT I suppose. Right?..

We should start with what you are trying to achieve with your suggestion. I’m not sure what’s the whole point of this yet.

It depends on specifics. Why are you against “wexp train” on EoM to begin with? Because of blobbing? Well, landscape suggests that blobs will probably have hard time performing efficiently since the map is pretty fragmented with a lot of wide areas separated by a lot of narrow connections. Much like ruins where blobs are sub-optimal tactic if you want to achieve the goal of ruins.

Ragnar.4257:

Its the ones who point-blank refuse to listen and don’t give a kitten if they ruin it for everyone else who aren’t welcome.

And (not to be a devil advocate, but) who cares, I might add? One can simply ignore the chat and do whatever they like to do. As long as it is within the rules (ToC/CoC/whatever you call it, which are pretty wide), nobody can do kitten about it.

Not everyone cares at all about ppt/ladder yet they are enjoying WvW for wide variety of reasons.

WvW has so many things in it including “side” objectives and incentives, to the point where you lose ground when you are trying to argue that ppt and ladder is the only goal and everything else should be shunned and punished. Because it is obviously not, and you gotta deal with it.

They are not everywhere, what are you talking about. You’ve got a sneak peak of an EMPTY map. There’s NOTHING going on on it, that was just the way to show SOME action while hosts go on with their script making points they wanted to make.

It’s OK Splat, your video shows only positive, maybe slightly naive, but honest attitude. Nothing wrong with that. All the moaning and groaning crowd should look at themselves for reasons of their grief.

C’mon that was funny, was it

P.S. I need to tune my funometer for “highly rated” ,_,

I didn’t notice any significant changes in liquid WEXP drops, if that was original question. Not that I’m all over it and keep a detailed track though. They have been dropping before, they seem to drop now the same amount. Ish.

Tellerion.8102:

The highlight of the stream looked to be the amount of different boss mechanics …

There’s not much to show off when the map is empty aside from walking through location, which they did.

aspirine.6852:

Yaro.3251:

aspirine.6852:

Map seems nice, but way to many way to push people off. I’ll skip. Sounds and looks like griefing heaven.

There’s a lot of space so it is up to you to not put yourself into position where you can be pushed off the cliff

I know, but imo there should be nothing like places you can push/stom/shoot people off. It’s something I really dislike and I hope other people too.

Yeah it sucks to be on receiving end of it, and I do not like Skyhammer fo this exact reason (in addition to cannon itself), but I’m assuming this is something a lot of players would love to do and have huge satisfaction doing that, so… Let it be and be vigilant to not fall into this trap. You can’t have MMO environment that fits perfectly your personal ideas of fun.

During the FoM stream mods were ferocious with deleting posts/banning participants whenever anything regarding “GvG” appeared in chat. This is really sad to see and is a reminder that trolling the twitch streams just does not work, all you get from that is griefing other people who are trying to have any kind of reasonable conversation/question in future stream chats.

It was also exceptionally bad for Anet image to act like that so if you flashmob guys were after it – good job well done.

Blaeys.3102:

I still have major concerns about the impact adding a zone of this type will have on servers who’s population numbers are currently struggling.

That’s true, but, you know… People do what they find fun to do in the game. If they feel like EoM exclusively, there’s not much you can do to draw them to WvW maps as their idea of fun would be probably quite different than the one that includes PPT and ladder position.

aspirine.6852:

Map seems nice, but way to many way to push people off. I’ll skip. Sounds and looks like griefing heaven.

There’s a lot of space so it is up to you to not put yourself into position where you can be pushed off the cliff

Krypto.2069:

Tiborb.1453:

Use this tool! http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html

Thank you for the great link, Tiborb!

These local TZ abbreviations are so excessive and unnecessary that my head hurts. I guess GMT wasn’t good enough for political/whatever reasons so everyone and their mom came up with their own names.

Some of the funnier ones:

1. BRST. Brasil is hot!
2. AZOT. Azores are zooooming! (azot is another name for nitro[gen])
3. BOT. OK so that’s where all krait-farming WvW bots originated from
4. ET. Tiempo Del Este do not even think they are on Earth
5. HADT HAST. Havaii-Aleutian hast and had it all.
6. HAT HAY. Nice people of Heure Avancee du Yukon tip the hat and say hi!
7. IRKT YAKST YEKST KRAST OMSST PETST VLAST. What’s wrong with Russia?.. (I’m Russian so chill, that’s just a joke. Btw “vlast” is transliterated “dominion”)
8. WAST. Africa is, indeed.

Volrath.1473:

Is it so hard to give us a time in GMT or CET?

For casual purposes, UTC IS GMT+0

Noon PST is 8pm UTC, right?

You need to check your facts regarding majority/minority estimate
http://www.timeanddate.com/time/dst/2013.html (scroll to the bottom for summary)

or be more specific regarding those terms.

Right, except this would cause an outcry among those who are only trying to get their PvE achievements like world completion/leggy or JPs done. And if you are for removing PvE incentives from WvW altogether, that would solve the problem by itself rendering al those funny ideas unnecessary. Well, to the extent but anyway.

Also, any of you guys heard about something called WvW overflow? Anyone?..

Yeah that would be nice, but you work with what you were dealt until next hand comes

What I usually do is one of variants below, and have bag open all the time. Primarily for quick weapon switch (you know, to blast static fields on the run where you switch to blast weapons just for the moment and then back to main weapon set; or precast shield of wrath sometimes), but also for siege. When you get used to it and having all items always in the same spot on the screen, it becomes a thing that you just do automatically.

Veron.8645:

It works. Plenty of people have seen it work firsthand.
It’s also not just a zone-related thing. This gets queues popping for people in the party all at once, within a minute or two a lot of the time, when queuing randomly in the same zone or a anywhere else can take up to hours even if done at the same time.

WilliamDaBloody.2591:

Because it is not a queue. It is retrying to join a map with a varying delay between retries. Exactly the same as for overflow mechanics.

Your client and the server itself have no clue how many people are “queuing” because there is no queue mechanism at all right now. Just client retrying with a varible amout of delay between retries.

Assuming latter quote holds any water, behaviour in former quote may be explained by intervals being synchronized to some extent in group. But it does not mean this group gets some priority over lone queued character.

nORRO.2780:

FIFO is the only REAL queuing system

i’m not sure what do you mean by “all caps real” in this context, but that’s besides the point. I think we can all agree on one thing – the system should be more predictable. Right now it is not, at all.

Do you realize that not every country actually has daylight savings time shifts?

I’m not arguing for secrecy, all it does is creates rumors/conspiracy theories which in many cases may be even worse than actual truth.

Btw under assumption that the system works as I’ve mentioned before, it is your attempts to join the map that are queued with some interval.

Well, tbf there’s no claim anywhere that WvW has “true queue”, whatever that means, and queues are’n necessarily pure fifo things.

That’s semantics, but there seem to be an overreaction over the term which stems from assumptions about what “queue” should only mean.

I’m not sure if this is accurate but someone on the forum asserted that the system is simply every “queued” character tries to get on the map periodically. Period.

As far as I’m concerned, this looks correct and would be simplest system to implement with minimum logistics and coding involved as opposed to more queue-like systems.

Anyway, this is all inconclusive, there are different theories and ideas about specifics, group priority etc, but nothing definitive. Developers didn’t release any details as of yet AFAIK. Probably never will.

What’s the point of arguing over queue priority if we already have changes coming with WvW overflow and queue revamp?

When that goes live, we may find ourselves in completely different environment with different kinds of problems and queue times may cease to be one of them.

I’m sure devs already made up their mind on how exactly they want queue system to change so… I’d sit back and wait to see what’s coming.

And ignore those threads. I’m sure devs do

If this is true, and don’t get me wrong, I feel sorry for you guys and anyone with same “color discrimination” problem, but if this would be true it would automatically invalidate ANY seasons results. Which means this is a show stopper for seasons, which means… wait a minute, devs are silent? Seasons continue?

I’m having really hard time believing devs would shove something like that under prioritization carpet.

Again, full support if this is true. If it is, seasons are simply bogative.

Indeed. But current meta guarantees you’l be surrounded by guardians/warriors. One of staple GS ranger sustain perks though is an evade every third swing. That alone is huge.

I’m not up to discussing specifics here, but the point is, and I was really surprised by that initially, it felt exactly as guardian sustain- and play feel-wise. Not like any other profession, and I ran all of them in raids.

And yeah, warrior is NOT a profession.

Well, actually I wouldn’t agree about rangers.

My experience with ranger on WvW is surprisingly that it feels exactly as guardian in terms of survivability while running with raid. Granted, I was running guild raid build with GS/axe+warhorn, but anyway. Though that particular build was quite selfish (as if all ranger builds aren’t lol), but at the same time it was providing arguably best support for raid ranger can provide while, again, being on par with our raid guardians in terms of sustain, and, I’d call it, playstle feel. Sounds like a plan for a commander class, isn’kitten..

A little bit of background, you can skip this if you don’t feel like reading. So my main initially was a mesmer and that was a decision to try something new in a new game, previously my default class choice in basically every game was paladin/templar kind of class. That was quite a trip tbh with mesmer on WvW. Then at some point along the path I have switched to guardian and immediately felt myself at home. And never looked back for another main. Then I’ve started leveling and occasionally running with our raid with all professions.

The point is, I know pretty well how it feels like to be a guardian in all kinds of fights on WvW. My ranger felt almost the same.

Dawdler.8521:

Being a guardian isnt going to help if no one wish to follow him into battle. Crappy guardians/warriors are badly over represented since people think its the ultimate commander class, then they die and cry all over the place because they ran into an impossible situations 3/4 of the people following him saw coming a mile away.

That’s a valid point. Commanders should have “a feel” about what the raid they are leading is capable of. If you base that on your personal boosted survivability, you will be last man standing all right. In every battle. Literally.

I’m also not a big fan of the “high personal mobility” for commanders. Especially if you are leading PUG raids. All you will accomplish by zooming across the map constantly is you will lose all your raid, period. My opinion is mobility-wise commanders should rely on what their raid provides in terms of speed buff.

Having mobility in terms of being able to get out of sticky situations quick is also double-edged as while having escaped personally, you will probably have half of your raid stuck there and dead so (if possible) you shouldn’t have put your brothers in arms in position they cannot handle as a raid in the first place.

styx.7294:

I love shelter and renewed focus but neither of them are a stun breaker. You can totally spend seconds alive with both of them available and die. Shelter, fine but renewed focus is one of the few elites in the game that’s just plain worse than other classes’ utilities (in my opinion it should be the other way around!).

I’m not sure if any heal skills are stun breakers. As of RF, it would be too op with stun breaker. You have virtues to get yourself through cc if you have all other sb/stability on cd (I’m assuming you have 5 in Virtues, right?). And then after 2 secs of invul you have your virtues again.

But that’s enough, I’m done with OT. We’ll be lucky to not be infracted for such shameless intrusion