Guild Wars 2

Talzed.4153:

I am not a fan of pets.

Ranger is a pet class.

/thread

First of all it is 10 seconds of no buff. When spirit dies either from time or actual death, it pops the buff one last time.

Other than that, who actually cares?

CRrabbit.1284:

not quite right.
Actually roaming rangers (mainly condition+regen+BM bunkers) take a big advantage of ppl’s impression of ranger being a free-badge class. Then most likely they just stop and fight you. When they realized you are a PD thief/PU mesmer-like, good ones just choose to leave, only bad ones choose stay and get killed.
Ranger is a good 1v1 class only if opponent choose to stay and fight, but still not best choice for roaming.

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Every single class is “viable” for everything on the game…

Some classes are better at some things and lack at others, but overall anyone can do anything. That’s the point of the game.

To the point, yes ranger is very strong solo class. You can build cond bunker and be able to kill everyone 1v1 or 1vsmall group.
You can build power build, and kill people before they realise what’s going on. 1v lots is impossible with power build though unless they are n00bs or scaled lvl. You need to think and choose when to attack.

Also ignore the ranger QQ on the forum completelly. (friendly advsie)

I play a power built ranger, and I solo roam at least 70% of my time. (The rest 30% is me grouped with 2 others)
The only class that has the ability to run away from me is thieves D/P thieves, (even though they are not much of a threat if they stay and fight), and a small % of warriors. Everything else dies pretty fast.

I would never roam as a bunker, because I have better things to do than chasing a player from one side of the map to the other.

Every single class is “viable” for everything on the game…

Some classes are better at some things and lack at others, but overall anyone can do anything. That’s the point of the game.

To the point, yes ranger is very strong solo class. You can build cond bunker and be able to kill everyone 1v1 or 1vsmall group.
You can build power build, and kill people before they realise what’s going on. 1v lots is impossible with power build though unless they are n00bs or scaled lvl. You need to think and choose when to attack.

Also ignore the ranger QQ on the forum completelly. (friendly advsie)

We are a pet class.

Stowing the pet and turning the class to complete easymode should not be an option. If people do not like the idea of having to protect yourself and your pet, they should not roll rangers, or change once they figured out they don’t like the system anymore.

Stowing the pet however should be an option, but at the cost of no additional benefit.

Necromancy increased to level 62 !

scerevisiae.1972:

you don’t invite rangers because of 1 broken weapon? that’s one of the dumbest things i’ve read on this forum yet.

You really don’t get it do you?!

There’s nothing wrong with the sword. In fact it is one of the greatest weapons in game.

It is the people who can’t be bothered to even turn auto attacks off, but on the other hand can spend 298346378947 hours on forum crying about how the class sucks.

Cynz.9437:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Over reacting much?

Wait and see how it’s gonna turn out.

i will tell you how much overreacting is there:
when ascended came out i changed my entire set up to get 15% more crit dmg, which involved full ascended set + new trinkets… do a little bit math and take a guess how much it cost me

this change not gonna do anything in pve, people will still run zerker; people like me will have to remake entire sets for wvw because of that change which is easily 300g at least

Everything in an MMO is subject to change. Today you’re a god, tomowrrow you are a mere mortal.

Also power builds will still be very viable after the update. It’s not like they are going to reduce crit dmg by 70%…

scerevisiae.1972:

you shouldn’t have to turn AAs off just to make a weapon usable.

I too would like to use sword + O/H but the silly loss-of-control-during-AA thing drives me nuts, so I use the GS instead.

And this my friends, is why people including me (main ranger) do not invite rangers to their groups.

It is a long and really complicated process. it requires a lot of thinking and a lot of experience. So here it goes:

tattoohead.3217:

Also is there a current best player?

Yes. Me.

Over reacting much?

Wait and see how it’s gonna turn out.

All this ranger QQ around…

Anyways, rangers do suck at zergs, but I’m gonna say this again: WHO CARES?! Does being a ranger makes commanders say " hey dude, don’t follow us" ? No. You get the same rewards as everyone else, and most important, player skill or class do not make the difference in zergs. The fights are sooo un-even number-wise 90% of the time, that the one with more people wins.

WvW roaming/small grp, Spvp, Tpvp and PvE (top lvl fracs/dungs), rangers rule.

People “hate” rangers in general, because 90% of the rangers rolled the class for longbow. I’m playing for quite some time, and I havn’t seen a pug ranger swaping weapons during fight (LB all the way), and usually running with a tank pet and signets.
So yes, none wants bearbows in their group.

My main is ranger and I do not invite other rangers in my groups, not because the class sucks, but because people will play it in a way that they will offer nothing to the group.

Bambula.3649:

20/25/0/25 is better..you deal more dps with this build and vul is not a thing you not to stack as ranger

No it is not. As I said before they are the same build depending on your playstyle. Overall the dps they bring to the table is pretty much the same. Also I did not understand the last bit. “is not a thing you not to stack” ? does not make any sense.

TurtleDragon.3108:

Stx.4857:

30/25/0/15 better than 20/25/0/25?

It’s basically more vulnerability on trash and longbow + 100 power vs. 5% dmg modifier and 2nd nature magic trait (moving spirits, gs, vit—>power)

More group dps vs. more personal dps is the difference those 10 points make. They’re practically the same build.

Yup.

It’s up to the player, but overall it’s the same build with small overall difference to total dps.

30/25/0/15
Full zerker

Quickening z. / sic’em / frost spirit (traited) / RaO

And cats.

If you running something else (traits can vary a bit I suppose), then there’s no reason why your team should chose you over another class.

Your goal is not to just survive, but to offer buffs to your group and awesome damage.

Tank builds with bows and bears have no place in my group or any other group (high – lvl) fracts I know of.

If played right ranger can be awesome.

Yes of course it can be done. There are many rangers roaming with LB/Sw-D or SW-WH

Although personally I always have LB as an alternative (traited max range).

About 50% of the players I encounter solo, are running away from me, so chasing them all over the map trying to get in melee is boring and stupid. If I can kite/range kill with a LB, it’s good. If they come close I swap to whatever I use for melee offhand.

DAT PROOF!

Seriously guys, they are not going to revamp the whole class just because you want EZmode.

Can we please STOP with the QQ threads?

If you love the ranger as it is, good. If you don’t, roll another class untill you feel it’s fixed. I wanna log to ranger forums for once and see actually constructive critisism and not “this sucks because I can’t play it” or “that sucks because a warrior/ <insertclasshere> can do it better”

some suggestions here… Man really!

Anyways, couple of things rangers could use.

Pet takes 30% less AoE damage.
Pets have endurance like players.
F3 skill makes the pet immune to all damage for 2 seconds and it consumes half the endurance of the pet (like a player dodge.)

LB#1 has it’s damage increased by 100% and counts as it is always above 1000 range (no matter how close you are on your target), when the player strikes from stealth.

Bambula.3649:

what you call burst?
the lb rapidfire?
gs maul?

dps..hmm shortbow and sword, but sorry i dont want to farm zerg player in wvw, i want to play vs good player and with builds like that you get outplayed like a 3 year child

I should not have replied since bads will turn this thread into another ranger qq thread.

Stick to the point.

Thanks for the replies, I don’t think I will change from ranger runes to anything else. I can’t stay above 90% for long neither in PvE nor in WvW/pvp. I’d rather have a 5% damage all the time than dancing from 10 to 0.

Bambula.3649:

and wvw..i know what other classes can do, i never would play a burst ranger cause we got no burst or nice dps builds.

Sorry but we got both burst and awesome dps builds..

I couldn’t care any less. They are not going to revamp the whole WvW since 90% of it’s population is little zerglings following a commander. They don’t care what the rest 10% thinks about WvW.

Don’t get me for a zerger, I never followed a train, I’m solo roaming 90% of my time, and the other 10% is if I add another two persons on my group.

My only hope is that ESO will learn from this mistake!

Wanted to create this thread a while ago, but what do you guys think about max dps runes.

Many people say scholar (10% more damage when health is above 90%) but I personally think that ranger runes (5% more damage when you have a pet) offers more damage overall.

In fights you spend quite a lot of time below 90% health, but you should always have a pet out.

Terravos.4059:

Ranger’s Sic’Em at 10 seconds would be incredibly broken

6 or maybe 8 seconds would be nice (6 seconds would be my preference) but 10 seconds would be pretty much death for most Thieves.

Hmm yeah maybe. I would probably start with a 6 seconds too see how that turns out. The current 4 is not enough hardly worth swaping the skill when facing a thief/mesmer.

Stealth in this game is a joke. There are almost no counters for stealth and the ones that exist are pretty meh.

I don’t know about other classes, but ranger’s sic’em should set the revealed debuff on 10 seconds and not 4…

Hit—>hide—>hit again—>hide again—>run away if target is not dead must be the most stupid mechanic I’ve seen in any MMO.

kiwituatara.6053:

no ascended stuff for ranger. save them for your non-ranger characters

ahahahah.. I was waiting for a post like this. I mean every thread here should include at least one!

You sir didn’t dissapoint me!

Durzlla.6295:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

DeadlySynz.3471:

I agree 100%. The best thing I find if you really want to enjoy the Ranger class is to just ignore your pet all together.

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No wonder why you guys getting kicked out of each dundgeon/fractal.

jaguar stalk + sic’em + RaO = 5k crits. (from the normal 1.5-2k each hit)

Yeah ignore them! Get a bear and a LB and stay at 1500m range with all passive signets. That’s gonna help!

At least if you use a Moa with a LB the Moa will be giving boons (if you use the F2) and healing the guys in Melee…

The only one that has a kinda-worthy special skill is the red moa for furry, but you should have a warhorn for that anyways. Also their damage is terrible.

DeadlySynz.3471:

I agree 100%. The best thing I find if you really want to enjoy the Ranger class is to just ignore your pet all together.

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No wonder why you guys getting kicked out of each dundgeon/fractal.

jaguar stalk + sic’em + RaO = 5k crits. (from the normal 1.5-2k each hit)

Yeah ignore them! Get a bear and a LB and stay at 1500m range with all passive signets. That’s gonna help!

Yes..yes.. I know If this was a fashion competition I would be the winner!

xXxOrcaxXx.9328:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

xXxOrcaxXx.9328:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

More like: Poster number one is a PvE player that can’t turn auto attacks off, can’t use sword #3 and can’t switch weapons when needed.

So you wanna say you dodge with sword #3? I wanna see that…
Weaponswitch is another great idea. 9 seconds cd on backswitching if you don’t want to run double sword.

Get your arguments straight man.

You have sword #2, sword #3 a weapon swap and if you still think youlack of evades, you can get a dagger offhand for dagger#4

On top of that if you turn auto attacks off (you should have), you can just dodge (normal endurance dodge) before the third attack of the sword chain.

I have ages to die due to sword so called “root – chain” (drunk times do not count)

Yeah, you can evade with sword #2 and #3 but those are not instant. Same with the normal evade if you’re at the 1. or 2. autoattack chain.
I don’t want to say it’s impossible. I just say it’s stupid. Why should I as a ranger get the most diffcult weapon to use, if I got already this stupid pet.
Srsly, if you want to deal max. damage with a warrior, you have to click 3 buttons and mash the kitten out of 1-5.
As a ranger, you have to hit like 10 buttons to deal 7 secs full damage before your first buff runs out.

If you keep your eyes at the boss, and have at least an endurance dodge ready, you should not die from sword chain attack. End of story.

Also if you wanna click 3 buttons as you said and do the best damage possible then you should roll a warrior. Just because one class is for braindamaged people (no offence to warriors ofc) broken and facerolling easy, it does not mean we should make all classes like them.

This game must be the most easy and plain simple MMO nowdays and people want to make it even easier…

Tiger meow! ftw!

Also taming bear can be so hard depending on the bear’s personality and character. Some fellow rangers have been trying over a year and still have not managed to tame one.

Redball.7236:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

If they wanted to stick to the lore, the only ranger playable races should be sylvari/norn.

Except y’know GW1 had charr rangers, Pyre Fierceshot

Yes I know. Every race has ranger heroes, but it is very rare or “uncommon” and should not be given to players.

xXxOrcaxXx.9328:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

More like: Poster number one is a PvE player that can’t turn auto attacks off, can’t use sword #3 and can’t switch weapons when needed.

So you wanna say you dodge with sword #3? I wanna see that…
Weaponswitch is another great idea. 9 seconds cd on backswitching if you don’t want to run double sword.

Get your arguments straight man.

You have sword #2, sword #3 a weapon swap and if you still think youlack of evades, you can get a dagger offhand for dagger#4

On top of that if you turn auto attacks off (you should have), you can just dodge (normal endurance dodge) before the third attack of the sword chain.

I have ages to die due to sword so called “root – chain” (drunk times do not count)

While I despise all this ranger doom n’ gloom on the forum, pets could use some changes or even a revamp.

If we are to be a real pet based class, then pets should be strong (and I mean strong) plus having more than 1 skill for utility on a long cd. I wouldn’t mind if that came along with a ranger dps nerf in order to ballance it with pets. They should be much much more resistant to AoE and have 3-4 skills that add player AND group utility.

(yes I know it will never come and if it ever does I won’t be here to see it thanks to ESO ;P)

If they wanted to stick to the lore, the only ranger playable races should be sylvari/norn.

Taku.6352:

Poster number one is a PvE player that wants extra survivability.

Poster number two is a PvP player that uses it to stick to the target and keeping him permanently crippled.

More like: Poster number one is a PvE player that can’t turn auto attacks off, can’t use sword #3 and can’t switch weapons when needed.

Sword is the best weapon ranger has as it is and it does not need even a little change.

If I didn’t even had to think I’d roll a warrior.

Bambula.3649:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

WvW: Excellent roamers (both zerker and bunker/BM), and well.. in zergs everyone has a spot… Even in zergs AoE can be great with piercing arrows.

So keep on cryin’

roaming you are right, but not for zerker..rly no one fears a bersi zerker

and for zerg, sorry you call this aoe? Oo

I roam as a zerker ranger and I have no problem killing a good 90% of the players I encounter. From this 90%, a good 40% dies either in 5 seconds or while trying to escape the fight. The rest 10% usually giving me a good fight with the winner remaining with 1-3k health.

As for the zerg, well I hate zergs in any game so I don’t even bother following one. But as I said no matter how bad you are you do have a spot in them. The system does not require you to be in a group/raid to get rewards like in many games. So what people are gonna do about it? Tell you to stop following them? Like seriously who cares if he’s good or bad in zergs especially in a game-system like this one…

Burnfall.9573:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

DanSH.6143:

Durzlla.6295:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

NemesiS.6749:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Bambula.3649:

NemesiS.6749:

proof no one want rangers, we neec change. lol

the pet, the bow, the signet..i even dont want you in my group

Sums up the whole thread and “issue”

:)

Anyway im not the best but no one have a problem with me been in a group and always say compliments or whatever.

Then why do you join the bads that know only to cry on forum?
The class is awesome when played correctly. End of story. Sure there might be some things that need some work, but that goes for all classes.

So much of this…. Personally I think the AI, overall, is kitten, it needs a total rework I don’t care how hard that makes PvE content it can use a difficulty increase if you ask me…

Other than that and our boring kitten utilities though I can’t think of much else we really -need-, shouts need a rework, and signet of the beast master should be made baseline (oh look, like everyone else…) but we are VERY competitive in PvP (I should know that’s where I spend most my time…)

We’re only competitive in pvp with a Spirit build. Although we could still be easily replaced by an engi.
So no, we’re not so competitive.

Lets see…
PvE side: Rangers can be very helpfull in everything if they know how to play even top lvl fracts.

PvP: Spirit rangers are awesome for tpvp, and normal spvp.

WvW: Excellent roamers (both zerker and bunker/BM), and well.. in zergs everyone has a spot… Even in zergs AoE can be great with piercing arrows.

So keep on cryin’

I encourage you to post this in the thief, warrior, guardian, mesmers forums and return here with confirmation that " we rangers are in the right spot" with them.

Also don’t forget to tell them how “Excellent” we are and how “Helpful” we are, even when we are 3 shotted dead by thieves.

During the meantime, we rangers will continue to fight for our survival and for our acceptance…. the best we can.

“ Denial does not solve the problem. Denial does not make the problem go away. Denial does not give us peace of mind, which is what we are really seeking when we engage in it. Denial is a liar. It compounds the problem, because it keeps us from seeing a solution, and taking action to resolve it ”.

Every good player who knows how to play his classes and has a basic game knowledge knows that every class can be good at anything when played/traited the right way depending what you doing (PvE/WvW/sPvP/tPvP)

Yes 95% of the rangers are terrible, because the class is not for brain dead people like warrior/guard.

Proof? : You can stay here all day and cry about how thieves three shot you, or you can swap some armour/traits and kill the thief.

DanSH.6143:

Durzlla.6295:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

NemesiS.6749:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Bambula.3649:

NemesiS.6749:

proof no one want rangers, we neec change. lol

the pet, the bow, the signet..i even dont want you in my group

Sums up the whole thread and “issue”

:)

Anyway im not the best but no one have a problem with me been in a group and always say compliments or whatever.

Then why do you join the bads that know only to cry on forum?
The class is awesome when played correctly. End of story. Sure there might be some things that need some work, but that goes for all classes.

So much of this…. Personally I think the AI, overall, is kitten, it needs a total rework I don’t care how hard that makes PvE content it can use a difficulty increase if you ask me…

Other than that and our boring kitten utilities though I can’t think of much else we really -need-, shouts need a rework, and signet of the beast master should be made baseline (oh look, like everyone else…) but we are VERY competitive in PvP (I should know that’s where I spend most my time…)

We’re only competitive in pvp with a Spirit build. Although we could still be easily replaced by an engi.
So no, we’re not so competitive.

Lets see…
PvE side: Rangers can be very helpfull in everything if they know how to play even top lvl fracts.

PvP: Spirit rangers are awesome for tpvp, and normal spvp.

WvW: Excellent roamers (both zerker and bunker/BM), and well.. in zergs everyone has a spot… Even in zergs AoE can be great with piercing arrows.

So keep on cryin’

More terribads=more people qq about rangers=everyone who encouters me in WvW think’s I’m free points=He runs for his life 5 seconds later=priceless.

Here’s to bearbow’s!

razer naga!

While it is not a “must” for GW2 (its too simple anyways), it is the best mmo mouse out there.

Oh and you’ll need a good 2 weeks to get used to it but when you do you’ll realise the difference.

NemesiS.6749:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Bambula.3649:

NemesiS.6749:

proof no one want rangers, we neec change. lol

the pet, the bow, the signet..i even dont want you in my group

Sums up the whole thread and “issue”

:)

Anyway im not the best but no one have a problem with me been in a group and always say compliments or whatever.

Then why do you join the bads that know only to cry on forum?
The class is awesome when played correctly. End of story. Sure there might be some things that need some work, but that goes for all classes.

Bambula.3649:

NemesiS.6749:

proof no one want rangers, we neec change. lol

the pet, the bow, the signet..i even dont want you in my group

Sums up the whole thread and “issue”

:)

ProxyDamage.9826:

If you won duels as a 30/30/10 full berserker ranger you were playing against crap players.

30/20/20 with a good mix of berserker and knights/soldiers can do…something… Provided you outplay your opponent…

30/30/10 full berserker is only for zerg play kitten ing around from 1.5k range.

Then 95% of my oponents in WvW while roaming are terribad players.

Seems legit!

KOK.2650:

glaphen.5230:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Signet_of_the_Beastmaster

Notice that , not really useful since you already eat the BS dmg,
Protect me also give 6sec and have stun break that allow you to run away.

The stun breaker is useless especially in 1v1 situations. You play a glass cannon build, so you can’t afford to get stunned. RaO is a must which you need to pop before each fight. Also, protect me is dead obvious to others since your player shouts protect me. A good thief will just stealth straight away.

(Not to mention that the pet can die before the 6 secs unless you use a bear. But if you use a bear as a zerker roaming ranger.. you deserve to die anyways)

sigh these threads…

PvE point of view, zerker ranger is awesome with the right build. Learn to pretect your pets from AoE and swap them. (dungeons/fracts)

WvW zerker ranger is awesome for roaming solo/small group if you know how to play.
Who cares about zergs? The numbers are never even for player skill/class to make the diffenrence. All you got to do in zergs is follow a commander and use your aoe.

Just boost Hyena’s f2 skill.

“hyenaception” – Summons a hyena that summons a hyena that summons a hyena that…

In less than 20 seconds you’ll have an army!

Terrier.8732:

Yelloweyedemon, Signet of Stone?

.

Yes! that one!

I was using that combined with Healing spring. If I remember correctly there was a trait that had any pet effect, affecting me as well. That was 7 seconds of immunity to any damage kind.

Can’t remember what the trait is called, but I’m re-installing the game atm so I might soon ;P

KOK.2650:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Okay.. I don’t play anymore so I don’t know how things are atm, but my tactic was : Thief opens, i lose a ridiculous amount of health in 1 second, I pop that trait that makes both me and my pet immune to damage for 7 seconds, longbow #4 (knockback if I remember correctly), longbow#1 (with right trais should hit like a truck), then immediatelly sic’em. Thief can’t stealth for 4? seconds = dead thief.

(full berserker ranger)

Worked against 95% of ALL the thieves I encountered.

Say you seriously think that ALL YOUR HIT WILL LAND? You do know that thief can dodge your attack.
By the way, Once you get your “Protect me” up, the thief will re-stealth or port out and wait for the buff to end then come back and kill u.
This is like standard SOP for all the thieves I seem .
Needless to say, your advice won’t work.

PS: Longbow #1 at close range hit like wet noodle.

My advice is use GS 3 and get as much distance as possible , then RUN. Hopefully, he didn’t expect that.(Most of them don’t)
Staying and fighting against a full-hp thief with 30% hp left is suicide.

Protect me is a waste of slot. I was talking about another trait, a signet that makes you and your pet immune to damage (can’t remember name). Untill he realises what’s going on, you will have done a great deal of damage. Then you pop Sic’em and he’s dead. If you mess something up, and he restealths, you swap a trait for protect me (fast), and you pop it as soon he backstabs you. if he restealths again, then you run.

Troll.4237:

What do i need to change?

Forum name

Anyways, if you’re serious, I was playing same build full dps 30/30/10 I think. I very briefly explined what I was doing against thieves in WvW thread named 3 shotted by thieves, last post atm.