Guild Wars 2

Zero Day.2594:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

NinjaEd.3946:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

yolo swaggins.2570:

CobOfCorn.6352:

Because we have the highest personal dps in game.

Warrior actually has the highest DPS in the game. Thieves have the best spike damage.

DeceiverX.8361:

Eles actually have the highest DPS and burst in the game, although on two different builds.

Yeah, you are both wrong…

The dps ranking at the very moment are:

thief
Ele
Engineer
Ranger
Warrior
Guardian
Mesmer
Necro

Any facts to back that up yo?

I just see a list with warrior being somehow 4/8 which is incredibly wrong. They not only have high burst they have heavy sustained damage.

yolo swaggins.2570:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Yeah, you are both wrong…

The dps ranking at the very moment are:

thief (hardest hitting attack is Backstab with a 2.4 coefficient, required positioning in a small timeframe to achieve it; the second strongest attack a thief has is Heartseeker vs enemy @ 25% hp)
Ele (max burst rivals guard but otherwise reported to be the most powerful burst capability in the game)
Engineer
Ranger (most powerful long range attack)
Warrior (hardest hitting attack in the game with most attacks around or above a 2.0 coefficient, stacks might like its nothing compared to every other profession)
Guardian (Reported to have the best DPS in the game)
Mesmer
Necro

I really don’t need to explain how false you are. Your list is considered propaganda and you should be ashamed.

The list is made from actual dps tests after the september ballance patch.

No I didn’t make the list, and lol at the “propaganda” comment…

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/2gol18/dps_ranking/

And I guess we’re to assume that you’re not Nike_Phoros ?

Either way, until there’s a DPS meter in game… all of this is just “hand waving”.

No I’m not. As far as i know those tests were made by 2 guilds and not by 1 person. All characters had top tier gear etc.

You are free to believe whatever you like, and live within your delusional shell. I’m just saying how things are at the moment on planet earth and not on narnia.

yolo swaggins.2570:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

The list is made from actual dps tests after the september ballance patch.

No I didn’t make the list, and lol at the “propaganda” comment…

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/2gol18/dps_ranking/

The problem with those DPS trials is that the enemies are static in combat. It can certainly be considered as potential DPS in PvP but then again players are still moving and there is no guarantee that level of DPS is going to be reached, even more so when the attacks requires positioning.

Secondly, thief DPS suffers overtime. The person who conducted the DPS trials said so as much. So maybe in those thirty seconds, a thief might be at the top but it will start dropping and keep dropping the longer the fight goes on.

With War and Ele, the continual might stacking capabilities of these professions allow them to maintain a higher DPS even when skills are going on CD. Unless the thief is good enough to kill them in a short amount of time, the fight will end in one of two ways. Either the thief dies or runs away.

But my point is this is a PvP thread and those DPS trials are for PvE. It can be considered propaganda considering it is something the main anti-thief group would fully support and defend it and they are notorious when it comes to misinformation. And likewise, it will remain propaganda so long as you are willing to debate it.

First of all I thought this is the thief forums and not pvp thread on pvp forums. (The thread has no point anyways, since it was created by someone who has spam the forums with 500 “nerf rangers” threads.)

Anyways on your point, No the dps doesn’t change enough (after the 30 secs) to change the rankings of the classes.

And yes these are PvE testings. Tests for pvp dps do not exist and could not possibly exist. You can’t test your dps when you have to consider terrain advantages/disadvantages, enemy evades, enemy CC, enemy fears, etc…

Arikyali.5804:

-throws blinding powder and flees-

Too late.. You had Sic ’em on !

NinjaEd.3946:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

yolo swaggins.2570:

CobOfCorn.6352:

Because we have the highest personal dps in game.

Warrior actually has the highest DPS in the game. Thieves have the best spike damage.

DeceiverX.8361:

Eles actually have the highest DPS and burst in the game, although on two different builds.

Yeah, you are both wrong…

The dps ranking at the very moment are:

thief
Ele
Engineer
Ranger
Warrior
Guardian
Mesmer
Necro

Any facts to back that up yo?

I just see a list with warrior being somehow 4/8 which is incredibly wrong. They not only have high burst they have heavy sustained damage.

yolo swaggins.2570:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Yeah, you are both wrong…

The dps ranking at the very moment are:

thief (hardest hitting attack is Backstab with a 2.4 coefficient, required positioning in a small timeframe to achieve it; the second strongest attack a thief has is Heartseeker vs enemy @ 25% hp)
Ele (max burst rivals guard but otherwise reported to be the most powerful burst capability in the game)
Engineer
Ranger (most powerful long range attack)
Warrior (hardest hitting attack in the game with most attacks around or above a 2.0 coefficient, stacks might like its nothing compared to every other profession)
Guardian (Reported to have the best DPS in the game)
Mesmer
Necro

I really don’t need to explain how false you are. Your list is considered propaganda and you should be ashamed.

The list is made from actual dps tests after the september ballance patch.

No I didn’t make the list, and lol at the “propaganda” comment…

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/2gol18/dps_ranking/

yolo swaggins.2570:

CobOfCorn.6352:

Because we have the highest personal dps in game.

Warrior actually has the highest DPS in the game. Thieves have the best spike damage.

DeceiverX.8361:

Eles actually have the highest DPS and burst in the game, although on two different builds.

Yeah, you are both wrong…

The dps ranking at the very moment are:

thief
Ele
Engineer
Ranger
Warrior
Guardian
Mesmer
Necro

Arikyali.5804:

Oh, please. An ill-timed backstab could be the death of you.

No it couldn’t. You still have the “stealth and leg it” option.

Arikyali.5804:

It required delicate positioning, grace, and finesse. I don’t see the same applied to rapid fire.

Yet again, RF requires you to be facing the target for the whole duration of the cast, and having him in some sort of CC if you want to have decent chances of doing some considerable damage. If you are not CC’ed and get the whole RF in the face, then I’m afraid you need to wake up and pay atention to the game.

So yeah, I’m gonna laugh when every thief compares that to a backstab that can reach 20k hits. Stacks of might —> stealth --> behind target —> 20k boom --> restealth —> finish.

..Skills !

Arikyali.5804:

All rivalry aside, let’s not open that can of worm on stealth mechanics.

Whoever is defending the stealth system in GW2, is either trolling, or didn’t like the various nerfs that took him some steps away from total god-mode. The stealth system that is still far away from being fixed.

Arikyali.5804:

-que entrance with a blast of smoke-

Hello rangers. I’m a thief, and an avid WvW roamer. I… -dodges arrow- Oi. Before you sic your pets on me, just hear me out.

The other thieves and I kinda miss fighting the rangers of old. I’m talking about the ones that carried a sword/x and danced around almost as good as us thieves. Almost. But! -dodges an axe- I’m deviating from the topic.

We miss the rangers from the time before the ‘full zerk rapid fire’ meta. We get it – that’s here to stay, and we’re learning to adapt and counter ‘em. We’ve discovered that such rangers flop like a fish out of water, once focused out in the open. And I’ve never seen them willingly leave their group.

I mean, I’m all for dirty fighting (I’m a thief…) but we do miss the melee rangers. Honest. Good fights. It was rare to come across such rangers, but it was always welcomed. And, it was this display of prowess that convinced me that rangers could be quite deadly when played right.

…

You guys are still out there, right?

Yeah I do miss the old fights, where revealed on sic’em was not present. I do miss thieves making it impossible for you to run zerker, because they could just abuse the stealth mechanic and massacre you either in 3 seconds, or in 12 once both your invul. buffs ran off. (If you even had both of them, just to survive some secs longer)

Great times eeh? Running all day long in the most glass cannon build possible, because they could not even target you to damage you. Running all day long with 25 stacks of bloodlust, because you could chose if you want to die or not.

Must have been great! Almost as great as it is for us now to see these n00bs pop every stealth skill they got on their possession, because the first didn’t work as they had revealed from sic ’em on them. Almost!

kyubi.3620:

Find a use for guard and SAR then. Also pet could do so much more then a one time buff, stow trick and a periodic dps tool.

I wont pretend pet is useless in my build i run entirely on it to the point my personnal damage is minimal. However you gota admit witheout a doubt that prety much all pet shout save for sic em are useless. Not to mention most ranger wont even care to use them… this is so wrong

I didn’t say they are usefull. Then again no class has only usefull abilities. AFAIK, guard had a use in WvW very early days, but they nerfed it and it’s been like that since then.

I just replied to your comment where you said that pets are useless and good only for DoT, which is totally wrong. In the PvE meta build, your pet will be critting anywhere from 4 to 10k with buffs up. This is far far away from useless.

kyubi.3620:

3. Ranger pet: you all gunna say the ranger pet is useless for anything else then dealing DOT and in theory you would be 100% right, however shouts like guard protect me and search and rescue could actualy have been of some use in a fight especialy SAR. The reason such ability are not is first that the pet dies way to easily to aoe and second that it takes it entire minutes to simply jump to a target and start healing.

Wrong again.

In trash pulls, you should have a pet that can apply some buffs to the group with it’s special ability. For example red moa for furry or stalker jungle something, for stacks of might etc. In boss fights, with Rampage as One, companion’s might and sword chain attack, your pet will have most of the time 25 stacks of might, resulting to 8-10k crits from cats. Plus as long RaO is up, the pet will grant you might each time it hits a target, which will give you a LOT of stacks.

Whoever claims that pets are useless, is either a troll, or a bad ranger who leaves his pet uncontrolled, being in totally wrong traits, and having it on passive mode 24/7.

Edit: I won’t argue that some shouts could use some love/rework, but still your comment about ranget pets is so totally wrong.

kyubi.3620:

Ill put it bluntly this game currently runs around two things. Damage, and the ability to deal it as quickly as possible.

No offence, but you are so terribly wrong on this.

Team support IS everything in this game. If it was not, then every class would only look to maximize it’s dps and would not give a kitten about anything else. Warriors are not the best stackable class for their dps. Its the support they can bring to a group with banners etc… Rangers are not needed in a group for their pewpew from 1.5k range. They perform much better when they wield a sword and having spotter and frost spirit, which helps the group by a lot. etc etc

What is actually hated is someone who does not bring anything to the group. LB signet rangers for example, who stay at 1.5k range pewpewing, Bunker builds, condition builds etc.

Your role in a dungeon/fract etc, is to
-1: Help the group with various buffs/ anything you can offer
-2: Deal as much damage as possible.

Never liked the skill for either pvp or pve.

In PvP, it does not go well with burst build since it has a long cast time, can be easily evaded or most of it at least, and if your enemy uses retaliation, you’re going to get all the damage from it.

In PvE it’s pretty much a waste of time, cause you would do more dps overall if you use sword auto attack instead of that.

So yeah I think the skill needs rework.

I bet you are one of those thieves that spam all their stealth skills once they have revealed on.

L2P SA noob!

a t s e.9614:

So people have been complaing about rapid fire damage and speed etc. I think the damage is fine, the only problem with rapid fire is that its just too easy to land compared to other classes.

The ranger only has to press number 2 from 1500 range to do similar damage to a fresh air Ele that has to port at the perfect time , D/P thief has to be in stealth and behind his target or a warrior trying to land the clunky telegraphed burst skills with short range.

I think this is unfair. New players now have 2 choices to be ’’succeful’’ at PvP.

1. Turret enginner
2. Power ranger

Both builds require only 1 button to be effective. Turret engineer is the autoattack and power ranger is number 2.

Sad but true, single button builds shouldnt be that effective imo.

If you are effective, while pressing only 2 from 1500 distance on a power build ranger, your whole enemy team needs to search for the “uninstall.exe” on their pc.

-The ranger can be LoS’d
-The ranger can be CC’d easily during the cast
-You can use a gap closer and force him to stop RF
-You can dodge roll to evade
-You can use Survivability cooldowns

But yeah, if it takes 2.5 seconds for you to react, then sure…

8k LRS…

You are either:

-Upscaled
or
-You took off all your armour so you could post a pic
or
-The ranger had 25 stacks of might, frost spirit, signet of wild, signet of hunt, all warrior banners…etc… (all current damage buffs in game)
or
-You’re very good at photoshop.

There, pick one!

Prysin.8542:

how to counter said builds

Don’t you dare tell them how to counter us! You traitor!

Zaxares.5419:

Ranger was always viable in PvE. They now have a solid reputation in speedclear dungeon groups as well.

If you choose the tankier pets (bears, drakes, devourers), they can also sustain a lot of punishment. Bears in particular, although I personally prefer Drakes for their cleave attacks and blast finisher tail attack.

If you chose tankier pets, it’s most likely you’ll get the boot.

Maybe drake for AoE in trash, and that’s it. 2/2 cats in boss fights or you’re nerfing yourself.

Learning to play in 5 easy steps:

1-Dodge roll to evade
2-Use healing skills
3-Use defensive cooldowns
4-learn to close the gap with ranged classes
5-Dodge roll to evade

Steinpilz.5078:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Ranger is a class that’s a part of speed dungs, if you know what are you doing. \we are even better than before the update, with spoter and frost spirit, plus a 15% damage buff only from a passive trait. We can outdps many classes at the moment.

With Sword/x and LB on 6/5/0/3 traits, rangers are top PvE class.

Do you mean 6/5/0/0/3?
What do you use for condition removal in your build?

6/5/0/3/0

Healing spring for condi removal. With other classes removing your conditions also, you don’t have a problem in groups.

It’s a fact that it is very easy to suck on ranger. Plus, classes that seem ranged and have pets, lure many people to play. (Thanks WoW!..)

While I don’t pug with rangers because I mostly play on my ranger, and 2 rangers are a waste of spot, when I’m on alts and rangers join my group, I ask them/tell them to use sword, or at least greatsword, and spotter/FS. If they say no, I kick them. If I see them staying at 1.5 range pewpewing, I kick them.

I don’t hate the class, but I hate carrying people that won’t even bother spend 3 minutes to google “good ranger dps build for dungeons”

Necrotize.2974:

Telling a thief not to stealth would be like telling rangers to always fight in melee range

Terrible example

Rangers build for melee combat with 6 points on BM and fern hound are very powerfull.

Gabe.6810:

what is it about thieves that make people want to whine?

The stealth abuse in WvW.
I believe now with ranger and engi revealed skills on 6 secs duration, things are much much better. But without those, stealth is a total joke in this game. Tbh I think there should be more classes with revealed skills, but it’s a good start.

Keroth.6591:

Hopefully there are others who share this view and anet might take it into consideration.

I don’t know… I havn’t seen any threads or posts about this issue lately. Thanks for creating a thread about this!

…

Tricare.2946:

Reading all of your previous posts, you clearly have much to learn.

Oh, you think there’s hope!

Doubt it…

This is awesome LOL!

You’re even giving them an alternative solution!

If they don’t like your first idea, there’s always your second awesome suggestion!

Made my day!

Roe.3679:

I didn’t create this, but it deserves to be here.

Not that something like this happens in GW2, but no. If everyone is “op”, it creates other problems, where someone can solo whole dungeons that are meant to be for group. (Don’t tell me how you can solo Lupi now…)

So no. If everyone is OP, it’s not ballanced. it’s a bad designed game.

T raw.4658:

Been having lots of people QQ hard post patch. Ranges from blind spam noob to p/d scrub (I run power when I run it btw)

All Classes too…even condi spamming engies

Just too funny

I play a power ranger (long long before the september patch). When I killed people with Sword/warhorn/axe/dagger, they QQ’ed told me I exploit. After the “RF” patch, they simply say “L2P LB scrub”.

I live for someone to PM me with QQ the moment I kill his character!

Havn’t had such fun since the early days in Lotro, where people reported me for playing a god-mode class…

People will always QQ. Get over it, and enjoy it

Allelya.6830:

Just as the title asks. How are Rangers with the new tweaks? Used to be a mob just looks at my pet and it dies. And dmg was subpar making Ranger the joke of a class (which might have a bit to do with bots too, not sure).

Is Ranger considered the “scrub” class? Can they actually put out damage now? I really don’t care about WvW/PvP. I just want to know what people think of the new changes to Ranger in PvE.

Ranger is a class that’s a part of speed dungs, if you know what are you doing. \we are even better than before the update, with spoter and frost spirit, plus a 15% damage buff only from a passive trait. We can outdps many classes at the moment.

With Sword/x and LB on 6/5/0/3 traits, rangers are top PvE class.

<—— OP!

/15 chars

quaniesan.8497:

A trait that is pretty good, but in the markmanship branch where the user more often than not being at least 900 (SB) and 1200-1300 for LB from the front. If it will benefit anyone, probly just other backliners. unless you giving up a good part of your range advantage. That aside, being a markmanship master will compete with 2 other good LB traits. Maybe skirmish would be more appropriate, a branch of good states but short of a few good traits.

Spotter is pretty much a PvE trait. In PvE you won’t need range or any other trait from marksmanship. If it was in any other traitline, it would cause problems on ranger meta PvE build.

Messorem.3105:

Title is pretty self-explanatory. Ranger is just a total joke after the update (speaking in WvW terms). Quickening Zephyr and Rapid Fire is just ridiculous, combined with the fact that most rangers hide behind their allies or up on walls, making them severely overpowered. Sure, the ranger “didn’t get any buffs” earlier this year and was “deserving”, but really!? Now rangers are even cheaper than thieves.

P.S don’t tell me to L2P or to pop reflects or to evade it’s still ridiculous

Well, I found a few classics, so here we go!

ok that’s good for now! Tell me if you need more

Is it true that some thieves wake up in the midle of the night terrified, as they hear a scary voice repeat “Sic ’em” over and over?

I use something different, but same role (burst damage).

Anyways I wanted to comment that there’s no reason to have Sharpened Edges on a power ranger. Even if you have 80% crit chance with furry, your condition damage is super low and it’s not going to make any difference. I’d take agility training, especially if I’m going to use melee pets.

Yay I’m famous baby!

I’m on EU server and not sure how this could work, but if we have a streamer, link plz!

WvW:
I’m using GS, but only for utility (mainly swoop). I don’t fight in melee unless in rare ocasions. GS is one of the most predictable weapons, and everyone who knows the basics should have no trouble beating you in melee.

If you fighting enemies in melee as soon they get close, go for sword/axe.

PvE:
Sword dps is by far superior to GS for any pve grouped content, but learn to evade with it.

Rabbitstew.2756:

So I guess… if every profession is OP, then everyone is balanced! Hooray!

And next thing you’ll know, is having Npc’s on the forums asking for nerfs!

People will QQ over everything. Take a look around… The update is not even a week old, and there are about 100 threads about power rangers being god-mode.

Holland.9351:

Right-click their name and select “Block”.

Where’s the fun in that?! Is there something more satisfyng than seeing people nerd raging because you killed their online character?!

Prysin.8542:

B: Make spirits destructible but last until destroyed (like pets)

Chat: “Placed my spirit at the beginning of the dungeon, brb reloging to make it go away”…

Ranger is far better for PvE. You are a significant increase to the party’s dps, and since the last patch, your dps is through the roof.

Good rangers can be a part of dungeon speed runs. Necros can’t.

About the weapons, in soloing/WvW roaming, Greatsword is great. It can be very good for dungs too, but sword is superior for melee dps.

I also prefer ranger for WvW zerker roaming, since it can kill faster and from distance. Plus you have enough utility to escape zergs.

If you play glass cannon ranger, dont expect much in defence. Every class is the same. In fact, with the right skills sloted, we can survive longer than some zerker classes. Not a class issue.

If you played for 2 years you should know that long ago.

You could spawn a second character and copy your first’s movenents/actions when trigger Hyena F2. People would report you for multiboxing though.. lolz

Don’t know about the idea though… Most of pet abilities are howls, tail attacks, venom spits etc..

Plus I don’t think we need this.

SlimChance.6593:

You’re up against the new longbow ranger, and you outplay him, your in his face and your about to finish him off when your suddenly feared… as your feared away with your back to ranger….. Rapid Fire and your dead. Simply because you did your job and the Ranger did NOTHING!!!!

Yes he did. He was smart enough to slot rune of nightmare, and a practical genius, to make it proc milliseconds right before using rapid fire.

This is an MMO rpg game. Building your character acording to your playstyle is a part of the game.

Not to mention that your example is stupid, because a ranger with rune of nightmare should not kill you with 1 rapid fire. In fact no ranger should kill you with 1 rapid fire.

Atherakhia.4086:

Please keep in mind that this game does have more to offer than just small group combat in PvP. In WvW pets really do have very legitimate issues due to all the AE that’s spammed without cause or concern. I would actually consider them useless there. Especially in GvGs or guild zerg groups.

The game is ballanced for a 5 man group. It is not ballanced for 30 ppl group nor a 60 ppl group. You do not need skills to win in those situations. If in ANY game AoE caps exist, the raid vs raid outcome will be won by the side with more numbers.

Zergs require no class knowledge or skill.

Not a class issue.

Sebrent.3625:

That’d be my fault, Yellow. Back when “Guard” had an actual use (pet scaling walls), I got together a group of friends on TeamSpeak and we all rolled Beastmaster Rangers. We roamed from siege to siege with cat pets and all utilities revolving around sending in pet missiles. We’d down person after person with our stealthy cats kitten would jump on whatever target we called.

Some people would run and we’d laugh as we saw damage numbers through the wall as we guessed how far they were getting by where the numbers showed … but they’d die.

People didn’t like being chased down by our pets … people would complain even more if our pets had more HP … as they’d die to attacks instead of stray mass AOE :-p

Sorry … I ruined it for you all.

This is two years away though. You can’t do that now, and if you indeed could, I see nothing wrong with stackable pet classes using their pets to kill someone in many vs 1. Pets are part of the ranger, they are not something extra that we should be glad to have.

Although I’m not complaining, in small scale fights, pets serve their purpose in WvW, if you know what you’re doing, and I could not care less for zergs. If you could try ballance pets to be effective in zergs, cats should end up with 300k health and 3k aoe AA… lol

Jaguar crits for 8k with no point on BM. So I guess that 12k could get a lot higher with full buffs.

On point: pets were never useless. They were weak before the health buff sure, but they were far from useless. A ranger that actually knows how and when to command or swap his pets never complained about them being totally useless…

The problem with pets is that they have no player brain. In some ocasions you can call them back to avoid AoE with F3, as you evade it, but in other ocasions they are not that fast.

A good counter to that would be to either make ranger pets immune to damage when the ranger rolls a dodge for 2 seconds at least so the pet will have time returning to you and not staying in the AoE.

SlimChance.6593:

Not drunk, very serious.

Why does this Rune exist? It’s the perfect example of passive play. The wearer does NOTHING, and I lose control of my character.

And if players feel this is OK, then why aren’t there other runes that do the same thing with different stats. I’d LOVE if Rune of the Mesmer 6th trait was “50% chance when struck to inflict a STUN for 2 seconds”. Thats WAY better than a 30% daze increase.

So either change the Rune, or balance it out so that all the control effects are covered.

Again seriously what the…

Yes the wearer does something. He is using the rune of the nightmare. This is like saying I should not benefit from my rune of the ranger and the 7% dps increase, because I ain’t doing anything…

And yeah about the rune of mesmer… I’d also love if the rune of the ranger had as a 6 set bonus, that you could spawn all your pets at once…

Seriously this thread is : I don’t like the way that works. Change it or give me something similar…

Sarision.6347:

That being said, I don’t mind some nerfs on other skills.

Eerm.. no thanks?

Depends on your playstyle, and what you like to do in WvW.

For PvE zerker is and always will be the meta build.

Drunk posting?

Seriously what the… ?

solrik.6028:

Prysin.8542:

James, please learn what a ranger truly is before trying to imply that you KNOW what it is. That whole post of yours made you look like a fool.

Yes, Prysin, that really helps. Tell someone they are wrong and then call them stupid.

There are two kinds of people,

One are those who are positive and would actually tell him what “ranger” actually means without callin them a fool.

One who posts without knowing the basics is not the brightest guy thought…

If anyone is wondering what the thread is about and cba reading the whole lot, here it is sumed up :

Rangers got a buff in a channeling Lb skill, which made the skill actually usefull.
Warriors (the best stackable class in PvE aka jack of all trades), got jelly and want their own channeling skill to be as strong as well.

-

Vikkela.7261:

The only thieves I see dying to my 6s of reveal are the arrogant ones who storm small group fights like a heavy class.
In 1v1 situations the it doesn’t stop an average thief from backing up and reseting the fight

On a zerker power build ranger, I win 90% of my 1v1 vs thieves who I used sic ‘em on. It’s not because the class sucks without stealth, it’s because people only know easymode backstab, 1 dodge roll, stealth, backstab again. They don’t even see the buffs/debuffs on either me or their character. They use a stealth skill with reveal on, see it not work, panic and use them all together…

This is the average thief (or player in general really)…