Guild Wars 2

Terok.7315:

Zelulose.8695:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

actually the game play is already very face paced.

if u think the cool down of 90s is too long, try gathering more support from people who think the same.

make enough noise in the forum.

they might just lower it.

might

probably will ignore though.

The gameplay is slow. A spike build in gw1 could be done every 15-20 seconds. For a warrior to use quickness on 100 blades they have to let the skill recharge for 60 seconds
Thief burst is on a similar CD. Also, in gw1 you could easily die in 4 or less seconds. In gw2 it takes much longer to take hp down. In short. It is slower paced.

Why would anyone want that? Personally I prefer my instajibs to happen in fps games and more strategic fights to take place in MMO’s.

Gw1 was very strategic. It was all about counter measures and matching up correlated skills gw2 combo effects hardly make up for this and the skills long CD often prevent sustained skill combos such as where in gw1 for example assassins would have a knockdown chain in gw1 that could complete a kill. Their enemies would have to respond by bringing a counter measure or fall to the assassin. There was no simple weapon skill spamming till the enemy dies. Also The energy bar added to the difficulty in gw1 and allowed different classes to be unique based on their use of it. Just wanted to put that out there. If an assassin spammed his skills too much he would not have the energy to place a spike. Very strategic but still fast paced.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

actually the game play is already very face paced.

if u think the cool down of 90s is too long, try gathering more support from people who think the same.

make enough noise in the forum.

they might just lower it.

might

probably will ignore though.

The gameplay is slow. A spike build in gw1 could be done every 15-20 seconds. For a warrior to use quickness on 100 blades they have to let the skill recharge for 60 seconds
Thief burst is on a similar CD. Also, in gw1 you could easily die in 4 or less seconds. In gw2 it takes much longer to take hp down. In short. It is slower paced.

I felt the energy bar was a really good way to prevent skill spamming without requiring the 60 second CD I see on utilities. For example. A necro utility gives spectral form and protectiom but requires a 90 second CD. The energy bar seemed like the reason cool downs (CD) could be shorter resulting in faster paced gameplay that is more calculated

Fix ileap Anet!

Navi.7142:

Too important to let it leave the first page.

Still bugged and no communication. That’s unacceptable!

maybe.. it’s not bugged…

What we really could use is the build saving ability gw1 had where you could save your build and skills and load them later.

I noticed that only the buff quickness gives attack speed and would love to see an attack speed stat that can be stacked like critical chance. This would save the warriors current state and make the game seem fast paced. It would be made possible by putting attack speed in locations that require sacrificing power. For example, an ammy might grant attack speed without power or the players can ditch attack speed for a zerker ammy. I feel attack speed will make gameplay more flashy and more fun.

Even better lengthen the evade frame to the beginning of the skill.

I just wanted some feedback on those who think 1vs1 death match tourneys would be fun.

Thieves are fine. They don’t do the absolute best in tourneys and can be owned by any class in a duel. Every class can spam but it doesn’t deserve a nerf.

Yes cast bars would bring back the type of builds made as shutdowns in team matches. It will bring a new element to the game.

jportell.2197:

Zelulose.8695:

loseridoit.2756:

Zelulose.8695:

loseridoit.2756:

Zelulose.8695:

Mesmers need an overall tone down with damage. Here is the proof. A heavy armor test dummy dies within 2 secs maybe a fraction of a second less than two seconds with an iduelist and extra shatter damage to spare.
Video-> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRLHY5N1bBo

Err… did you seriously used a dueling build to show that a mesmer is OP? Nobody uses mantra of pain. Most tpvp mesmer only uses 1 clone utility.

Any build with mantra of pain is a dueling build. Anet does not balance the game around 1 vs 1.

I admit that this dueling build have crazy burst potential

All that damage had a small aoe radius its not a dueling build.

it is a dueling build. the out of combat mobility of that build is horrible. Do you realize why a phastasm mesmer is not used in tounies. Because traveling from point to point is a huge limiting factor

Lol so we go from its op in duels its op in group fights to its ok cause they don’t run to a point fast enough? What happens if one of his team buddies is a port mesmer or they give him aoe swiftness?

First off why did you bring the untraited torch? Torch is only used for two reasons, Cleansing Conflagration, Prismatic Understanding…. beyond that you are hurting yourself by having the longest CD phantasm in the game with terrible direct damage and bad confusion damage in PvP. You also used mantras… Mantras are terrible in PvP… even fay the one that is the biggest advocate of the mantra mes admits that they are still too clunky to be useful to a team….You were also trying to use untraited shatters to make a point…. Seriously Zelulose…. This is not proof of Mesmer needing toned down.. People have shown videos of eles/warriors/guardians/thieves/engis downing a heavy golem faster… This video proves nothing.

So what your saying is… mesmer can be better than the damage shown on the video… even worse. Your only digging the mesmer’s grave by criticizing me this time. I still don’t understand why you keep following me on forums to tell me how bad I am.

loseridoit.2756:

Zelulose.8695:

loseridoit.2756:

Zelulose.8695:

loseridoit.2756:

Zelulose.8695:

Mesmers need an overall tone down with damage. Here is the proof. A heavy armor test dummy dies within 2 secs maybe a fraction of a second less than two seconds with an iduelist and extra shatter damage to spare.
Video-> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRLHY5N1bBo

Err… did you seriously used a dueling build to show that a mesmer is OP? Nobody uses mantra of pain. Most tpvp mesmer only uses 1 clone utility.

Any build with mantra of pain is a dueling build. Anet does not balance the game around 1 vs 1.

I admit that this dueling build have crazy burst potential

All that damage had a small aoe radius its not a dueling build.

it is a dueling build. the out of combat mobility of that build is horrible. Do you realize why a phastasm mesmer is not used in tounies. Because traveling from point to point is a huge limiting factor

Lol so we go from its op in duels its op in group fights to its ok cause they don’t run to a point fast enough? What happens if one of his team buddies is a port mesmer or they give him aoe swiftness?

you have to congest points.
Even worse, there are down time between attack because the way mantras work.
that build is not op in group fights

Basically, you are asking for another mesmer to compasate for your build flaws.

Errr your build is horrible for that reason

lol I was just presenting proof though a video but the build will be fun while it lasts.

loseridoit.2756:

Zelulose.8695:

loseridoit.2756:

Zelulose.8695:

Mesmers need an overall tone down with damage. Here is the proof. A heavy armor test dummy dies within 2 secs maybe a fraction of a second less than two seconds with an iduelist and extra shatter damage to spare.
Video-> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRLHY5N1bBo

Err… did you seriously used a dueling build to show that a mesmer is OP? Nobody uses mantra of pain. Most tpvp mesmer only uses 1 clone utility.

Any build with mantra of pain is a dueling build. Anet does not balance the game around 1 vs 1.

I admit that this dueling build have crazy burst potential

All that damage had a small aoe radius its not a dueling build.

it is a dueling build. the out of combat mobility of that build is horrible. Do you realize why a phastasm mesmer is not used in tounies. Because traveling from point to point is a huge limiting factor

Lol so we go from its op in duels its op in group fights to its ok cause they don’t run to a point fast enough? What happens if one of his team buddies is a port mesmer or they give him aoe swiftness?

loseridoit.2756:

Zelulose.8695:

Mesmers need an overall tone down with damage. Here is the proof. A heavy armor test dummy dies within 2 secs maybe a fraction of a second less than two seconds with an iduelist and extra shatter damage to spare.
Video-> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRLHY5N1bBo

Err… did you seriously used a dueling build to show that a mesmer is OP? Nobody uses mantra of pain. Most tpvp mesmer only uses 1 clone utility.

Any build with mantra of pain is a dueling build. Anet does not balance the game around 1 vs 1.

I admit that this dueling build have crazy burst potential

All that damage had a small aoe radius its not a dueling build.

Correction. It fails to work in all spvp matches
Also it does work when reequipping armor as I just found out.

Mesmers need an overall tone down with damage. Here is the proof. A heavy armor test dummy dies within 2 secs maybe a fraction of a second less than two seconds with an iduelist and extra shatter damage to spare.
Video-> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRLHY5N1bBo

In some spvp matches the 4th bonus for the vampire rune does not work. An example of this is spirit watch. Plz fix XD

Keep bashing me to defend your class and proving my point. I don’t even have to defend myself against this

Jackums.3496:

Zelulose.8695:

Lol you basically stated that mesmer is op 1vs1 and It is already obvious they have viable builds for 5vs5s so essentially your admitting that mesmer has an advantage

I said the Mesmer excels in 1v1.

How does that equate to me labeling them as over-powered?

I is op when you have 1vs1 situation in a group fight. It does happen. And by the way, why wouldn’t a class that cannot be defete in a 1 vs 1 be considered overpowered even if the game (despite the amount of dueling servers) is “team play”?

Well I do Wish confusion lasted longer.

Jackums.3496:

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

I use Mesmer. I am familiar with how the profession works. I stated that I am not interested in seeing bug fixes with Mesmer until they are brought down and rebalanced. Get over it.

You’re also obviously not very good at it if you believe it’s over-powered.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

The game is not balanced for 1v1, if you stepped outside of your hole, you would realize that. You would also realize that P/D is considered, and really is an unviable build for tPvP.

It’s amusing because you just hurt your own argument by saying that. The game isn’t balanced around 1v1, which is where the Mesmer excels, so how exactly does your whining amount to anything of substance? The Ele, Ranger, Guardian, Engi, and Necro are all equally or even more useful in team fights than a shatter Mesmer, utility aside. Again, utility is just about all the Mesmer is in competitive PvP. Keep trying.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

The problems with Phantasmal builds are virtually non-existent, as the only overpowered part about them is the Phantasmal Duelist, which upon being nerfed, would be perfectly fine. The Shatter Mesmer is brought into every strong tournament team for a reason. I dare you to find me a single class that can do as much for a team as a shatter Mesmer.

Mesmers are used in tournaments due to their utility, not their “super awesome over-powered shatter burst combo!!!” Again, keep trying.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Congratulations, you have an 80 Necro. I’m so proud of you.

Hopefully you learn how to play yours well some day.

Lol you basically stated that mesmer is op 1vs1 and It is already obvious they have viable builds for 5vs5s so essentially your admitting that mesmer has an advantage. It may be a learn to play issue but it is also a class based issue.

jportell.2197:

Zelulose.8695:

jportell.2197:

Zelulose.8695:

jportell.2197:

Zelulose.8695:

As of right now I feel ranger, necromancer, Thief and ele, and engi are balanced just based on the variety their builds hold and the lack of cheep damage that is much too high to defend against withing a short time span. Thief stelath may be annoying but by far, they are not Op. The mesmer needs toning down with damage but otherwise are balanced and the warrior needs buffing. Gurdians are perfectly balanced in team fights only. Gw2 is almost balanced in my oppinion just not quite there.

^From the person that said the bleeds from phantasms are OP… Then played his “AMAZING Phantasm build” against a fairly well known mesmer and played just horribly to the point of we honestly though if he was trying or not… if he is using his level of play for justifying calling for anything being toned down i would hope the devs take that suggestion with a very large grain of salt.

Putting me down is not the way to prove your point

Also I was showing damage I wanted to show how fast hp could be lost when you have high toughness and fairly high hp. Skill was not the point of that video displaying mesmer damage was. (note: That mesmer dropped the hp fast with boons like protection and regeneration and further more, look at the CD on my heal skill due to daze I barely even had a second to actually heal it for say 5k+ after it dropped to 13k/18khp) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k99BKVpBxXQ

Because you didn’t charge your mantras before you started the fight… you also had a fight with no stun breakers… Having high toughness is meaningless if you are gonna still just sit there and take it. My anti condition bunker guard still dodges attacks even with 3400 armor total.

Vs. Theifs I don’t have to charge them before a fight because their backstabs deal 3k-1k why should this mesmer do more than a GC thief with little room for defences.

Saying you don’t need to charge before any fight is just plain. Sad really… Even mesmers that put their builds around mantras completely charge them before beginning any fight… Kind of like how pyro had his mantra of distraction ready to rock… If you had your mantra of recovery readied you could have easily out healed that initial burst. But you decided to start a fight with no condition removal or heal ready… in which case you earned that loss.

I Don’t know why you follow me on forums just to say I suck. Why don’t you record a winning vs this guys with another class. Then maybe I would believe you. I wasn’t even using my standard mesmer build and you keep insulting me. I felt like flaging you many time but I don’t do that sort of thing. Keep acting like the people who think they can defend their biased opinion on a class by bashing another player.

jportell.2197:

Zelulose.8695:

jportell.2197:

Zelulose.8695:

As of right now I feel ranger, necromancer, Thief and ele, and engi are balanced just based on the variety their builds hold and the lack of cheep damage that is much too high to defend against withing a short time span. Thief stelath may be annoying but by far, they are not Op. The mesmer needs toning down with damage but otherwise are balanced and the warrior needs buffing. Gurdians are perfectly balanced in team fights only. Gw2 is almost balanced in my oppinion just not quite there.

^From the person that said the bleeds from phantasms are OP… Then played his “AMAZING Phantasm build” against a fairly well known mesmer and played just horribly to the point of we honestly though if he was trying or not… if he is using his level of play for justifying calling for anything being toned down i would hope the devs take that suggestion with a very large grain of salt.

Putting me down is not the way to prove your point

Also I was showing damage I wanted to show how fast hp could be lost when you have high toughness and fairly high hp. Skill was not the point of that video displaying mesmer damage was. (note: That mesmer dropped the hp fast with boons like protection and regeneration and further more, look at the CD on my heal skill due to daze I barely even had a second to actually heal it for say 5k+ after it dropped to 13k/18khp) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k99BKVpBxXQ

Because you didn’t charge your mantras before you started the fight… you also had a fight with no stun breakers… Having high toughness is meaningless if you are gonna still just sit there and take it. My anti condition bunker guard still dodges attacks even with 3400 armor total.

Vs. Theifs I don’t have to charge them before a fight because their backstabs deal 3k-1k why should this mesmer do more than a GC thief with little room for defences.
At 0:46 you will see I lost 5k almost instantly right after summoning the idefender. Thieves can’t do this.

Enmity.3428:

Invisibility doesn’t offer a massive, massive advantage in a fight. Nope, not at all.

I agree its simply annoying.

jportell.2197:

Zelulose.8695:

As of right now I feel ranger, necromancer, Thief and ele, and engi are balanced just based on the variety their builds hold and the lack of cheep damage that is much too high to defend against withing a short time span. Thief stelath may be annoying but by far, they are not Op. The mesmer needs toning down with damage but otherwise are balanced and the warrior needs buffing. Gurdians are perfectly balanced in team fights only. Gw2 is almost balanced in my oppinion just not quite there.

^From the person that said the bleeds from phantasms are OP… Then played his “AMAZING Phantasm build” against a fairly well known mesmer and played just horribly to the point of we honestly though if he was trying or not… if he is using his level of play for justifying calling for anything being toned down i would hope the devs take that suggestion with a very large grain of salt.

Putting me down is not the way to prove your point

Also I was showing damage I wanted to show how fast hp could be lost when you have high toughness and fairly high hp. Skill was not the point of that video displaying mesmer damage was. (note: That mesmer dropped the hp fast with boons like protection and regeneration and further more, look at the CD on my heal skill due to daze I barely even had a second to actually heal it for say 5k+ after it dropped to 13k/18khp) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k99BKVpBxXQ

As of right now I feel ranger, necromancer, Thief and ele, and engi are balanced just based on the variety their builds hold and the lack of cheep damage that is much too high to defend against withing a short time span. Thief stelath may be annoying but by far, they are not Op. The mesmer needs toning down with damage but otherwise are balanced and the warrior needs buffing. Gurdians are perfectly balanced in team fights only. Gw2 is almost balanced in my oppinion just not quite there.

Whats wrong with thief is not stealth. Just the healing from stealth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrVdPMetZ2o
This thief was pressured from confusion and retal and an iswordsman but It would stealth before I could finish.

Whats wrong with thief is not stealth. Just the healing from stealth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrVdPMetZ2o

Well I guess this build is 100% fair then. Everyone seems to be bashing my gameplay. I won’t argue to defend it because that would be pointless. With all the mesmer support, regardless of there state, I can run my iduelist with security now. Thanks all for your undying honesty and kind support. XD Just needed a popular opinion a to whether mesmer sharper images needed a fix.

This is what I’m talking about. More people complain about mesmer than any-other class and the people who play masmers keep trying the horrible excuse that their class is no good in group fights.

jportell.2197:

Zelulose.8695:

I couldn’ t find him he wasc stealthed. I also dodge his opening

he still had you chain stunned and you didn’t do anything about it. Also like I said whether or not you summoned the defender on one of the phantasms would have been meaningless because no matter what it STILL TANKS HALF YOUR DAMAGE! and you started the fight with none of you mantras prepped. Mantras aren’t very great to begin with but if you open a fight without them ready then you just as well have nothing in those utility skill slots.

Well I’ll say this, mesmers are equally viable in team fights but cannot be defeted 1 vs 1 you cannot be broken up over dying in a team fight cause u may have been killed in a 2 vs 1 situation. In a 1 vs 1 mesmer is absolutly overpowered and makes people feel down when They themself lose in a 1 vs 1 to a player with simply an op build. To sum it up: As a class, mesmers have good tpvp and spvp options for group fights and if they want to 1 vs 1 they are the best. I understand that Anet will not nerf their own original class. But at least fix other classes, in this case to give them a fighting chance.

I couldn’ t find him he was stealthed. I also dodge his opening.

So I tested max toughness mesmer with heals and an idefender and he kills me before I really see him. Ask anet what to say to this video XD. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k99BKVpBxXQ

This is why people complain. Imagine what he does to GC thief or any other non tank.

thefantasticg.3984:

1) Jon Sharp is the same bag of dog excrement that said we don’t need more control over pets.

2) Jon Sharp has OBVIOUSLY never ever played on a ranger at any level or in any pve/dungeon/wvw/pve game.

3) I’d be super happy with a pet damage nerf -IF- they give what was nerfed to the the ranger as a buff.

4) Please fix the AI/root attacking/pathing and before, as someone said, swinging the nerf bat at it. If they pet actually had really good AI, good pathing, and could hit moving targets, they MIGHT be worth having.

5) Please consider giving a perma-stow for pets option! If nothing else, make it an elite skill!

yes pets never hit good kiters and rangers become useless if the pet is chilled crippled and/or kited

Durzlla.6295:

Moa morph seems fine dude, it lasts 10 seconds, it counters just about every other elite in the game, and it completely destroys any build that relies on summons.

Leave moa as it is instead of fixing moa fix mm which gets CD on all their minions every time they are moad.

jportell.2197:

aaron.7850:

phantasms need their damage toned down, its silly how a mesmer can gear for bunker and yet the phantasms do so much damage, other than that the class is fine

Phantasms are a mesmers only source of DPS outside of shatters… Every Mesmer auto attack pretty much sucks when it comes down to direct damage. Outside of that the skills that summon clones don’t do much damage or they do no damage. The phantasm spec is only too strong because of Empowered illusions in Domination III. And this trait is a freaking dinosaur from when clones actually did some damage but were nerfed. If ANET were to remove this trait or rework it would be a step at dealing with the phantasm spec.

However the point of this thread is to highlight Mesmer bugs that are introduced EVERY patch and never noticed by the developers. It was made because for some reason they find catering to what people say in pvp more important than what people say on the class forums. Which is why this thread is here. Mesmer is in bad state. Not because we can’t hold our own but because every patch pushes us further and further into nothing but IOL and Portal machines.

If you duel around there are many more viable builds that seem completely original mesmers have the most variety when it comes to viable build options but unfortunately they take many unfixed bugs. They many need a fix but not before mesmers can be used bug-less.

jportell.2197:

Chesire.9043:

You could be like Necro’s and have no place at all in tournaments, even with our most viable tournament build (also see: Warriors). Mesmers are in a great spot right now compared to other professions. They have the same problems every other profession has, except they are less severe and have a lot of other things that actually works for them.

I can tell a world of difference between my Necro and my Mesmer. Mesmers have near null reason to complain at the games current state.

Im sorry what game are you playing? A condi-mancer out does a condition damage of any other class in the game (except engi). Also if the team runs two necros then any AOE fight is now in that teams favor thanks to chainable AOE fears and wells… If the necros are running the minion mancer build they are almost harder to kill than a bunker guard especially for a Mesmer (WORST CONDI REMOVAL IN THE GAME!). Necros can be on a team with out that team having to build around them. If a Mesmer goes into a tournament with anything other than some form of a shatter build they are just hurting their team no matter what. I have played with and against some kitten good necros all running a variety of builds… Mesmer hkittenter and phantasm. Only one is good for a tournament.

In a SOTG some time ago Nero and Xeph were the co-hosts and at that time Jsharp said they want to UP build diversity for all classes… Every patch since that statement has one by one removed a build from Mesmer arsenal.

All my mesmers have plenty of condition removal.

Momekic.8603:

I am going to say this as nice as possible, and I not trying to be mean here, so don’t take this personally, but anyone complaining about Flanking Strike/Larcenous Strike really need to learn how to dodge, cc, and/or create a gap between them and a thief.

If you do any of those 3 things (Dodge, CC, Create a Gap) you can negate this skill with ease. Even just 2 of these things can easily negate this skill. I know because I have done this as well as been the victim of it. I have played all classes in sPvP (long enough to get a handle of them), and I have 3 80s (Mesmer, Guard and a Thief).

Just a bit of advice:
- The skill is easily telegraphed by the obvious rolling animation, and the thieves that spam this usually use larcenous strike right away after flanking strike, so just dodge away near the end of their roll.
- The range on Larcenous strike is very small, so to actually land with it you have to be in the closest melee range, so you can try to stay just out of reach, or leap away
- And lastly, use CC on a thief – snare them, chill them, knock them down, knock them back, stun them, daze them. Most thieves run 1 stun breaker, so if you can chain cc them it really screws them over. (This goes for most thief builds). For the rare thief that runs 2 stun breakers, just spread out your cc and time your dodges.

People really seem to underestimate the power of dodge in this game. Learn to dodge at proper times and you will counter a lot of powerful attacks from most classes in this game. Endurance management goes with this as well. Keep track of your endurance and you will make dodging work even better for you.

This is true. After dueling on games like vindictus I have gotten used to using a fast reaction time for the win. Sigil of energy or rune of the adventurer will give you more dodging options if you need them.

TheOneNOnlyGeneralBama.9586:

Spvp and PVE numbers are totally separted for balance purposes. You’re much weaker and linear in spvp

So heart of the mists doesn’t count as spvp?
Also was this an undocumented change?

Sometimes I feel pets and minions and clones should stop attacking if the player loses their target lol

Irate Platypus.9318:

For the screenshots above, I actually had more might in the ones where I wakittenting in the 200s than in the 300s. In the bigger fights we had stacked might beforehand. As they expired the damage did go down (3 points per stack), but that doesn’t explain the 326 vs 241 and such.

Further complicating this is that all of my results from yesterday show hits in the 300s again. There’s a thread in the wvw forum that thinks the change was rolled back.

edit: one possibility is that the ones showing reduced damage had protection up and there never was a change in the first place. That would explain how we all arrived at that 33% reduction number.

In heart of the mists I am hitting 300s and only 200s In actual spvp matches.

I was wondering if Retaliation deals damage back to source when mesmers blurred frenzy or distortion.
I am also curious as to why my retaliation does 320 damage in heart of the mists and 200’s in an actual spvp match. Was there and undocumented fix?

Mrbig.8019:

And i was coming here to say S/D thieves are still in bad shape. LOL.

Yes D/p Thiefs are still better with their frequent backstabs,stealths,regeneration, conditions stripping, and blinding field. I think initiative gain is more the issue than the skill 3 for s/d because high initiative gain leads to spamming.

Zenith.7301:

Zelulose.8695:

Zenith.7301:

Yeah, but you won’t be killing anyone as there is a fine line between being able to make a push for the kill before someone’s heal recharges and not being able to.

They can nerf pet damage all they want. As long as My conditions stay It won’t matter.

As long as condition clears stay in teamfights you won’t matter either.

And for 1v1 your conditions will do crap against condition removal thieves, elementalists, or guardians for that matter.

Well all the rangers without conditions and clerics ammy deal low damage anyway even with pet so if damage is fixed we rangers wont have much of a choice. Just apply conditions faster then they are removed. I can.

BlackDevil.9268:

Mate, get over it. You just got steamrolled by mesmers probably and came here to QQ about it. If you really think it’s so kitten easy to play, then why not roll one yourself? Enough faceroll mesmers who think it’s so easy and then even get smashed by another faceroll 100b warrior. And, ofc, you go to the warrior forum then and qq about 100b being too strong.

Endless chain of noobs crying for nerfs. You’re one of them.

Please refrain from name calling. Also I would not complain about a class as under-powered as Warriors. Furthermore, if you compare the warrior forums to mesmer forums, people ask for warrior buffs rather than nerfs and people complain about mesmer more frequently. Also, I currently run 4 mesmer builds. You can duel me on saturday from 9-12 pm eastern time if you must have proof of my experience or spectate a 5 vs 5 match I may join.

TheGuy.3568:

What happens if i go for the shatter burst and have 6 clones out?

In my experience you can only have 3 and if a clone fails to reach a target when you summon another one it will vanish to be replaced by another clone.

loseridoit.2756:

Zelulose.8695:

Pyroatheist.9031:

Zelulose.8695:

Duel me and you will think its a glitch

online 8:30-10:00 eastern time

Gladly will duel you.

>XD just message me u have my account name.

dont worry.

1 vs 1 phastasm build wont be nerf because anet do not balance base on 1 vs 1

There are ways to play phantasm/shatter in teams I guess most players just don’t know how. My character Angel is able to pop in for burst and pop out rather quickly like a thief would. Also, clergyman is a shinigami of death XD

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Edit: This thread is not about how the Mesmer is in the absolute worst state. It is a thread about it being pushed down that path. I am not saying the Mesmer needs massive buffs…. I am saying the Mesmer needs to have things WORK AS INTENDED I have 6 classes Mesmer is the one I enjoy the most it is also the one that worries me the most because I see the changes happen patch after patch. And never get addressed. This last patch for instance never mentioned anything about the bouncing change and yet it happened. I don’t wanna see stupidly major buffs to make this class over the top I want the bugs to be fixed (We have a ton each new patch) and us to stop getting unnecessary nerfs.

I agree somethwhat. That is why i proposed to move rather than delete some mesmer triats. I see them getting nerfed in the future and would rather the nerf not be harsh on shatter of phantasm.

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jportell.2197:

OP was just on the Mesmer forums saying that sharper images needs nerfed…. O_o

I just want balance not necessarily nerf.

Call it by any other name… you were asking for a nerf… last thing any classes need anymore is a nerf… Some classes recently have been buffed too much like flanking strike…. all you see in tourneys anymore is a thief spamming 3,3,3,3, with their SD build what’s funny is ANET said in their class design philosophy that while mesmers have a harder time dealing with enemy conditions they want them to be really good and manipulating enemy boons… well there goes that intent.

So fine then we can leave all the classes as they are and put a lockdown on nerf and buffs…