Guild Wars 2

My thief, Dynamic Duo, uses an evade build that has be able to hold its own to any thief using evade rather than stealth. It is a virtually unlikable thief without stealth. Adding stealth just makes for a boring slow paced gameplay where we wait for a thief for backstab us and then watch him blind us till he stealths again healing all the way up. It is a process we can do nothing about but outheal preventing defeateds but also being denied victory.

Actually the melee ranger can still win vs trap if they use sigil of energy for extra dodge and protection. Even better they can use torch for an arial burning skill and one-two utility for a trap.

Ironically two 0-0-30-10-30 ranger will stalemate but kill almost everyone else lol

Warrior is a joke class. I can stand in 100 blades and out heal it on all of my classes without dodging and still deal damage to kill the warrior. Their damage and survivability need to be fixed.

Aveneo.2068:

The main issue (as I see it) is not the concept of stealth; but the way ANet has implemented it.

Just look at all the benefits a Thief can get through traits that apply to stealth.

• Cloaked in Shadow (Blinds nearby foes)
  * Fleet Shadow (Move 50% faster while in stealth)
  * Hidden Assassin (Gain might)
  * Hidden Killer (100% crit chance while stealthed)
  * Shadow Protector (Grant targets of your stealth skills Regeneration)
  * Infusion of Shadow (Gain 2 initiative when using a skill that stealths)
  * Patience (Regain initiative faster)
  * Shadow’s Embrace (Remove one condition every three seconds)
  * Shadow’s Rejuvenation (Regenerate health)

From my perspective Stealth should have been a mechanic that would allow for setting up an ‘ambush’ or ‘escape’. But ANet went overboard by attaching so many additional bits of junk through traits. It’s like they couldn’t come up with a more interesting mechanic, so they just went with: “When in doubt, add more (stuff to) stealth”

To me, Stealth could have been a great tactical class-mechanic (for the F# keys) with a limited number of traits to enhance it. Instead they made it a shallow gimmick that’s almost mandatory to use with traits giving out measly little bonuses everywhere.

So personally I think they should have used Stealth for a class-mechanic and used it for F2/F3 with additional effects depending on the type of weapon you had equipped. So using F2 or F3 with a D/D would have a different ‘type’ of Stealth ability compared to using S/D or SB. That would have made Stealth an interesting, dynamic and tactical mechanic.

And in return the Thief could get more base health (same as Ranger) and more mobility. I personally wouldn’t want to see the Stealth mechanic vanish entirely, just reworked into the F2-F3 and merging some of the traits so its function becomes more tactical.

Applying Stealth whenever a Thief breaks wind doesn’t strike me as interesting and makes the Thief look more like an annoying clown that’s trying too hard to be funny.

I agree to this post. Many of these triats enhance the thiefs that can choose to stealth to full health before entering combat like the d/p thief.

Ur doomed GS phantasm mesmer is the best build mesmers got.

Daecollo.9578:

Warrior doesn’t do /too little damage/ they do little damage on the move. They’re attacks are easy to see and avoid. However there average DPS is high if they are hitting a target that has no conditions/stands still/just has a high HP.

Well why don’t you compare warrior damage to mesmer and thief. Warriors cant tank as well as other classes so they rely on damage but compared to every other class warrior burst is easy to avoid and consists of less damage from conditions or direct hits.

I’ll be direct.

Warriors deal too little damage.

Reckless Dodge does too little damage

Warriors need condi removal.

Warriors auto attack needs to be fixed. (auto attack does not activate when in striking range and you must stay in that range a fraction of a second for auto attack to activate. Only when facing the screen to an enemy in a certain way at a closer than necessary range will auto attack work) This fix would help all melee play

Feel free to add any other obvious problems with warrior.

Garethh. Gw2 is a dictatorship. They will allow us to rant. But if we hurt their cash flow in the slightest, we get infracted or banned. If we were to bribe them they might. Change something.

I guarantee they are trying to make us buy the next expansion. Players will easily buy the expansion if they increase the number of skills and implement and most requested forums of pvp. There are other things players want that may be used to cause other players to buy the next expansion.

I watched the same thing happen to vindictus because they did not update their game fast enough. Gw2 can implement things to bring in new players and old ones but i guarantee that there will be an expansion to purchase and that they will use the changes as an incentive to purchase the expansion.

Nice build its like you were telling us how op the berserker and duelist are together. I believe you stated they alone give huge amounts of burst.

If phantasms are fixed then mesmers are fixed and their damage wont seem nearly as high and their burst will be just right. The issue is that mesmers phantasms auto target you no matter where you go and stack bleed and high damage. They also have many glitches.

Shatter is dodgeable of you practice. Instead, nerf phantasm mesmers. Theif damage is so loose it is impossible to dodge and the damage is much too high. Mindwrack is the most balenced methode of dealing damage.

Well judging the amount of comments this got I guess we like seeing people arguing pointlessly over changing a skill.

They are weak because you aren’t playing them right

I notice allot of people argue about changes to classes. So I figured it would reduce name calling if people only voted. Intead of complaining, you elect a skill that you want to see a change too and players will vote for a change to the skill. This way it will be unbiased and the change is up to the developers.

Warrior actually have too little condi removal in comparison to other classes. If you don’t believe me try to tank against a player that uses conditions for 10 minutes max as a warrior. You will find that you cannot remove them fast enough.

I play a 0-0-10-30-30 dd ele that uses 10 in earth for auras grant protection and protection runes like rune of grove and earth. It feels pretty tanky

Make it mobile.

OYYYYYYYY I cant long in lol I’m in the same boat guys.

Ye it would be nice if it ticked as fast as regen

Passive condition removal

Mesmers are op enough. Don’t make it worse by ruining the little defense we non-mesmers have lol

They are looking for players that can (a) hold points and (b) can kill enemies that try to take the points.

Yesssssssss remove the stupid downed mechanic it is annoying. I want a battle to be over when its over! Lol

This is not true. Condi is still powerful if you can reapply it fast enough. Using a condi ranger I know that I would be overpowered if people could not remove my conditions. However, if it is too much the producers may fix it.

I agree with soko. People are using bm rangers and d/p thieves and phantasm mesmers too much now due to this update. Players will soon lose the feeling of uniqueness that gw1 offered.

No. Tpvp gives little opportunity for you to heal more than two players on a point. For it to be effective you would have to be fighting a 5v5 death match or have a group large enough to heal.

1 I have and balancing 1 vs 1 for mesmers who use allot of aoe will essentially make it easier to balance their team matches.
2 They still have plenty of other alternatives to counter defenses.
3 Mesmers do not lack condi removal they have a phantasm that removes conditions and remove boons. Furthermore, they can shatter for condi remove, heal for condi remove, get ruins for condi remove, and get sigils for condi remove.
4 I don’t even know what to say to this because it makes no sense YOU are the one posting on behalf of saving one type of build you have fun rolling.

Stealth traps where a bad idea. It displays a lack of creativity on the producer’s part and laziness. But this is not the point. The point is stealth traps should be removed and thieves should be fixed in more targeted ways so less builds are destroyed.

Allow us to cast while charging mantras but not dodge? just a stupid idea I had.

Acelerion.6820:

Phantasm build is an example of poor design. Its completely op 1v1 but has no place in spvp meta or wvw team fights.

The 1v1 ability needs to be reduced and at the same time tools given to make phantasms viable in a group or tourney setting.

Thank you XD

Godmoney.2048:

Zelulose.8695:

Godmoney.2048:

Nikked.7365:

Another troll thread with lots of incorrect information?

Please know that—as a Mesmer—I die more than anyone I know. If I were in game, I would post my death count to prove it. Anyone else have their death count handy?

I checked mine last week. I have just over 1300 hours on the mesmer and over 1700 deaths. Heck, I actually got beaten by a warrior last week 1v1 who caught me with a 10k eviscerate catching me totally off guard. I’m still chapped about it.

Let me see a video so I can laugh at how horribly you play. Warriors are the worst class in the game. You are not securing your class by this statement. Rather, you are telling us how bad you are at the game haha.

LOl at thinking any class can’t be played well. That just show’s your lack of mmo experience.

There’s not a single class in this game that can’t counter every other class with build.

Well if you want fight me on a warrior… I will kill you on every class except warrior and engi because I deleted my engi lol.

Yes, I have 3 seconds of stealth to set up from decoy. and another 3 seconds from skill 4, but the damage from phantasmal berserker isn’t even included. And you speak as if the immobilize doesn’t work. You also forget its recharge time on illusionary leap and shatter. This sort of damage isn’t short it continues. But you must really like playing this op mesmer if you feel the need to defend it. Don’t worry yourself. MESMER WON’T BE NERFED! This is because they are exclusive to gw2 and favored. (In short, relax) I’m only messing around on the forums because no one takes them seriously.

Don’t just shout show them a video like this.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6O5MyrivBm0
Thief can’t do this sort of damage this fast. And this build still has a phantasmal zerker to spam.

Gw2 made phantasms so overpowered that everything else feels weak. I have a build with Mesmer that will shine and is fun to play. But phantasm Mesmer is its absolute destroyer. No skill involved at all with phantasm Mesmer. If they nerf new more fun Mesmer builds can pop up.

Try using more teleports like blink and staff skill 2 and the sword’s leap. You will feel like your gameplay is much faster paced. Also, use energy sigils so you can actively dodge more. It will make you feel much more involved than phantasm mesmers. (Note this is a shatter build)

Personally I hate phantasm builds because you get so much out of them without doing much. You seem to just kite and let phantasms do all the work. The shatter builds would be viable but they just have one problem. Phantasm mesmers do so much more damage than any other type of mesmer and survive too well. For this reason, shatter mesmers are forsaken because they require more user skill.

Ask anet to speed quickness back up to 100% and warrior will be viable again

You war can’t beat my bm ranger lol they need to fix them so I can play again.

You players are not looking at the current state of the thief. They hold their own vs every other class. They are still one of the best classes. You players are looking back at nerfs and claiming that thief is being destroyed. Even if they remove backstab you could still play you class. Start complaining when thieves start getting owned by warriors. The warriors have the right to complain. You are just complaining about nerfs in the past while your class is already one of the most viable and versatile classes. Whether it is conditions spamm or it is d/p backstabbing or perma dodging. (And don’t complain that these will be nerfed because thieves have too much to nerf before they are underpowered.)

Warriors cannot beat any experienced player of another class in 1vs1 and win. I never lose to them now lol

My real gripe is that other classes can remove all there conditions effectively even mesmers can if they want to. But a warrior has to use soldiers runes and shouts and signets and 1 trait to remove conditions as effectively as a ranger’s trait with a signet and without runes. Furthermore, the warrior is is trait and utility and rune locked if he wishes to remove conditions like elementalist or ranger or another class. With one healing skill the ranger can remove conditions every three seconds aoe. A warrior has nothing close to this.

I actually don’t like spectator mode. Mainly because it will speed up the distribution of builds accelerating how long it takes to turn new players into experienced players. This will speed up nerfs and make players reach a point where they have less to look forward to. Then they will quite the game in search for another game. An example of this is the phantasm Mesmer. They have become much more common due to this update and kill very very fast. All in all, I look forward to the development of custom arenas. I can’t; however, stress the importance of separating dueling. Perhaps dueling tourneys may help because dueling is taking over some arenas but are still being invaded by players that want to cap points.

Coloxeus.3480:

Zelulose.8695:

Try venoms 30-0-20-20-0 leeching venoms plus increased recharge rate plus healing and damage on steal. Also rune of the adventurer is nice to help keep dodging.

thnx for advice i wanna try that adventurer rune too! but sorry im not a fan of Power traits

It is for the extra recharge time on venoms and the extra number of strikes XD.

I am 100% sure that for my character sigil of energy does not work for one handed weapons or when combined with other sigils. Please fix XD.

Yes i will enjoy being op against every warrior unless they fix it. (I will never play the class to win duels or tournies or get points) I only play it to see if they changed anything haha.

Advice #2. Use another mesmer and hope you are better. Once you play it you will defend mesmer too and have fun destroying every other class in the game. XD personally I like a shatter phantasm hybrid.

Haha who cares about this thred. Nothing will change unless the producers want it to. I will play my thief and perma evade. AND I 100% GURANTEE IT WONT BE NERFED BY THESE THREDS.