Guild Wars 2

You’re really comparing zerker gear with siege damage?

So where are they now?

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

Zephyrus.9680:

Dat logic, I don’t even know what you’re getting at with who needs to pay for what.

This is 1v1 we’re talking about. Stability means very little and clearly from your claims you haven’t seen a good necro because that’s ridiculous. Dodge needs to be beating CC. How many builds/classes can actually invest in stability for 1v1?

Stability means “very little” huh? When did this apply? Does this mean all other classes are getting theirs removed seeing as it means “very little”…

If you quit zerging for a while you might realize “all other classes” don’t need stability for 1v1, which is the context of the quote you’re using. Even guardians and warriors don’t need it. Stun breaks yes, stability no. Also, necro isn’t special in lacking easy access to stability.

Hickeroar.9734:

Full zerk w/ some or all ascended
25 stacks of bloodlust
Guardleech

They’re sitting on loads of power.

In the whole time I’ve been playing WvW, I’ve been baslisk-venom->C/D->Backstab “three shot” like twice. The only advice I can give you is to get faster reaction times and use a stunbreak….? On my glass mesmer I have time to aim and blink away every time before they get their backstab off.

Same thing, almost full zerk ele. In theory theves can 2 shot but in practice it NEVER happens because stun break+dodge roll or else teleport ruins their combo. These thieves themselves go down in a few shots as well and more often then not they lose.

In ideal conditions, a thief might hit 6k cnd and 9k BS (vs 12-15k hp light armor). So that’s a 2 shot. Meanwhile, rifle warriors have hit me for 18k kill shots.

I know it’s cliche by now but I highly recommend people having trouble with thieves play the class a while to learn the builds they have trouble against, or at least the basic mechanics, and in general learn to predict timing and actions in stealth. It is very predictable.

Ynot.8397:

Zephyrus.9680:

Yea you’re the one claiming condition necros lose to any CC in 1v1 because no stability. I guess it’s news to you that most classes don’t spec stability for 1v1. I always forget some people don’t know how to dodge.

We claim it because it is true. Most classes don’t spec for stability? LOLWUT. Most classes get stability through their elite or have blocks. That or perma vigor so they can dodge 40 times and the constant stuns don’t matter. They don’t need to spec into some silly traitline to do this. It all comes from nice builds.

Necros have no stability outside of elites which are easily left alone(we have no swiftness and can’t chase) and a 30 point investment into a traitline. That is a 3 second stability which you can easily get around. We have 1 blind to block the cc spam. There is also the amazing 1 dodge every ten seconds because we have no access to vigor. That’s just lovely. Our last major flaw is the lack of blocks. Necros can not block a skill or go invuln.

You are so very wrong.

You may just not be a good necro if every class is beating you. Not “every class with a CC” can beat a condition necro. And every class does have CC, right? Go to obsidian sanctum and learn from the ‘meta’ signet of spite perplexity necros. It’s only every other necro you see and more far more damage than any other condition build at straight 1v1. Whether or not it’s over the top, considering a necros other weaknesses, I don’t have an opinion on.

And stability though elites like tornado or daggerstorm? I hope you’re not considering that as a 1v1 stability skill. Warrior and guardian aren’t “most classes” even if they are the most played classes. Vigor is another story and I’ll agree 100% on it’s importance in 1v1 or small scale particularly for glassy light or medium armor builds (which a condition necro is not).

But if you want to keep playing the victim for one of the most powerful 1v1 specs, w/e.

Yea you’re the one claiming condition necros lose to any CC in 1v1 because no stability. I guess it’s news to you that most classes don’t spec stability for 1v1. I always forget some people don’t know how to dodge.

Ynot.8397:

Zephyrus.9680:

vincecontix.1264:

Condi necros are really strong in combat but that is offset by the fact they don’t have great mobility.

This. They’re one of the strongest 1v1 classes and have the ezmode button but they pay in lack of mobility.

Except that anyone with cc should have no problems fighting a necro. Necros have no stability and then they need to pay for it by not having the ability to block/invuln/run from damage. Necros without using signet of spite need to pay for all the necros who use it?

Dat logic.

Dat logic, I don’t even know what you’re getting at with who needs to pay for what.

This is 1v1 we’re talking about. Stability means very little and clearly from your claims you haven’t seen a good necro because that’s ridiculous. Dodge needs to be beating CC. How many builds/classes can actually invest in stability for 1v1?

vincecontix.1264:

Condi necros are really strong in combat but that is offset by the fact they don’t have great mobility.

This. They’re one of the strongest 1v1 classes and have the ezmode button but they pay in lack of mobility.

From what I saw in T1, SoR and BG do some solo roaming but BG mostly does groups around 5. Then JQ actively avoid 1v1 fights (at all costs).

But if you’re in T1, accept that you’re there to blob. No matter how you do the division, there’s too many people to successfully solo roam except for a mesmer or thief, maybe warrior.

The T1 roaming “meta” is way different from tiers 2 and under where you start more full zerk builds or other classes that would get run over 1vx.

UHD.2634:

Successfully Solo’d Mag’s home tower in FA BL.

Almost soloed FA’s EK in TCBL yesterday morning. Their zerg came when the lord was 25%.

#1pve

If you get zergbusted like that it’s only your fault for having no awareness or not getting out of the way.

Go to obsidian sanctum arena if you want guaranteed 1v1s of your choice or is the crowd there too hard?

Also 4 is a havoc group. Do you even roam?

I didn’t understand why FA was letting TC win the PPTs.

Now I do.

Pistol whip is overpowered!

Spockime.1364:

Jaxs.5830:

Cogbyrn.7283:

Jaxs.5830:

Cogbyrn.7283:

Hahaha, the vitriol in these types of threads has only gotten worse since I last poked my head in on one. No wonder they’re potentially shutting down the sub-forum.

It’s surprising how people seem like they don’t know how to lose, which is a bummer since they also don’t know how to win.

The real tragedy though, is when everyone forgot how to have fun.

Or maybe they like some competitive rivalry and do not take what is said here personally or all that seriously. Perhaps it is just some folks like yourself that forgot how to have fun?

I’d like to believe that, but such a gross lack of sportsmanship and respect speaks to something else. You don’t end a basketball game in high school, then walk over to the other bench and yell “AHHAHAHAHHAA OWNED” after the game if you win. You don’t say “Lol you guys are bad, we just didn’t have our starters” back if you lost. You clap hands and say “good game”.

And like most online feedback tools, the number of people who take the time to post something positive is intensely outweighed by those who come searching for somewhere to vent in the heat of an emotional moment.

So no, I don’t believe you. And I’m having the time of my life in WvW. I’m the Necro in white who laughs as zergs swarm over him, then comes back to charge/divert again immediately.

Are you really suggesting that there is no poor behaviour in sports? Really poor analogy.

If you want to take the forums personally and be offended by their content, that is on you and you can make the choice not to come to the forums.

Clearly you don’t see the difference between a rivalry and poor conduct. Since it is just a game, and these forums will be gone soon, I’ll just say good game see you on the battlefield.

Irony, because actually the reason is FOR people like you who don’t realize it’s all in good fun. Loosen up, don’t take things so seriously.

You’re not a bad person for sitting on a cannon for 6 hours straight, even if it annoys some people and they express it on the forums.

deja vu

lordkrall.7241:

Zephyrus.9680:

Malediktus.9250:

Looks like Anet took the easiest solution to a problem. As always.

Then they’re seeing a problem where there isn’t any. Some competitive chat between opponents is not a big deal. Mud may sometimes be thrown or it may just be interpreted as being thrown. Either way, I don’t see how this could be taken a big deal and it’s certainly not special to GW2. In a competitive/pvp environment it’s normal to facilitate chat between both your own side and the other sides. The unusual thing would be to take away the official capacity for such discussions.

Had you actually been an active user of the match-up forums you would however have been fully aware that it is not just “some competitive chat between opponents”.
It is flat-out abuse in almost every thread.
I don’t think anyone have any issues with some competitive chat. But when every week requires loads of removed posts and even locked threads in most cases, there is clearly an issue.

Abuse in what sense? Of the CoC? Because that’s a joke. Improper grammar or Capitalizing wrong is abuse of that.

1. This is the internet.
2. It’s a PvP game mode meaning competitive with sides.

I see something seriously wrong with the idea that every post that could possibly bruise an ego needs to be removed. Because depending on how sensitive you are, that could be almost every post.

Chris.3290:

I think it was a generalized statement to just close any thread that features Mag.
Just in case people want to blame the symptom and not the disease.

Reported this for multiple CoC breaches on both general and specific categories.

But seriously. They’re going hardcore again on the match up threads now. It’s like old times. If they really want to play that game, let the games begin!

The problem is your measuring these classes by their zerg potential. It’s not that these classes are less useful in a zerg, it’s that zerging is the meta in WvW by design. That’s the real problem.

The real problem is how over-moderated the forums are compared to, say, other competitive game’s forums. Moderators should not even be looking at the forums unless a post is reported by multiple players. There’s so many pointless infractions. Technically even using too much punctuation or ‘leet speek’ among other things. Probably even discussing this is against the code of conduct.

There’s an infractions thread on Maguuma’s forums and some are legit but it’s alot of infractions that seem to be misinterpreting what was meant, or for something completely benign or not even remotely offensive, implying the work is outsourced to non-native English speakers. Maguuma is supposedly the king of PvF but some of these things are just stupid.

They could do a lot more (or at least a lot better) with a lot less if they took their hands off things and only intervened on posts players have a genuine problem with. It’s like the Community Coordinator’s post is from an overprotective Christian mother and we’re all supposed to be 5 years old. (And no, that’s not to be misinterpreted as any form of hate speech).

Malediktus.9250:

Looks like Anet took the easiest solution to a problem. As always.

Then they’re seeing a problem where there isn’t any. Some competitive chat between opponents is not a big deal. Mud may sometimes be thrown or it may just be interpreted as being thrown. Either way, I don’t see how this could be taken a big deal and it’s certainly not special to GW2. In a competitive/pvp environment it’s normal to facilitate chat between both your own side and the other sides. The unusual thing would be to take away the official capacity for such discussions.

The real reason is probably cost cutting, as mentioned earlier. Cutting down on forum discussions means less moderators since forums don’t directly bring in any money.

I don’t even understand why the other thread got closed…

Maybe too many posts broke the code of conduct by using 1337SP33K, excessive. punctuation!!! Or aLteRnateD uppercase and LOWERCASE letters. All unacceptable.

WvW isn’t a legitimate game mode is why.

Iono I just play WvW for fun. Rather leave playing with numbers for work.

style.6173:

Wididyth.3847:

How about kiting ? The buff only lasts 3 seconds.

You clearly do not zerg fight in WvW.

Hard to spot sarcasm on the internets.

Artaz.3819:

So if we lose our spirit, are we undead? That’s the only possible outcome.

Prysin.8542:

RyuDragnier.9476:

Furiousbeard.7602:

New warrior heal skill is for pve. It’s garbage in WVW.

I laughed. You’re never going to see something hit hard or fast enough for it to be of use in PvE (short of a champion risen abomination). It was made for WvW and PvP.

And even in WvW it will be useless unless your enemy is some idiot with quickness and full zerker gear.

It’s obviously not a 1v1 skill… It needs around 8 hits in 3 seconds to match healing surge. And they need to all be AoE hits because the stance is visible to your opponent. This means 1v1 the skill will heal 3k at most, every 35 seconds… Except vs conditions it will do more but again, it doesn’t complement warriors because they almost all run condition reduction. The skill just won’t see any use until it’s buffed.

Kill them in the 30 seconds after they heal for 2k?… Each damage tick you take during the 3 seconds heals 900 or 9xx so realistically it will heal maybe 5-10k in the middle of taking damage. The fact that it’s so conditional already makes it gimmicky and limited use.

The warrior’s new heal seems like one of the worst ones and it doesn’t complement warrior it all. They should have made it instant cast and stun break. Only thief’s new heal is worse.

I was running around with my thief this morning… It was definitely a pat on the back, not a slap in the face. Base initiative regen is significantly higher which frees up an extra trait while other less used traits were adjusted or improved. Vigor uptime nerf was significant but overall, stronger than before.

On-topic: I’m still wondering how well d/p thief can manage initiative with the nerf for initiative boosters and mechanics change for initiative-on-stealth. I don’t play that build and the earlier posts don’t seem very reliable… I guess I’ll have to find out for myself.

But what if they do?

New record for 1 skill damage from YB. Normal ballista greater spread spreadshot vs thief: 28,636 total

Old record was from BG kill shot vs zele: 17,643

Gz anonymous YB bear ranger at your nn camp :P

Tachii.3506:

I agree with the above suggestion: Punish attacks that don’t land.

And the whole get free jail thing, well, lots of other classes can do it just as well without stealth. If a thief is specced to do precisely that, then it is what it is. And no, if you’re not specced with say, 30 in Shadow Arts, using SR and pulling it off when your health is below 25% will usually kill you to a player who actually knows how to deal with SR (already explained in earlier posts).

Lastly, this so called “nerf” wasn’t really that much of a nerf. The base initiative regen have been increased so it’s more like the mechanic of stealth has slightly changed, but not really nerfed.

It wasn’t a nerf and they didn’t need one either. Thief in general received buffs with the higher initiative regen which opens up other traits for them to use. Shadow Arts V got a mechanics change (only initiative gain on initially entering stealth) which probably makes perma D/P stealth impossible now—I haven’t tested. S/x skill 2 got a small nerf (.25s return cast time).

Why are people still surprised when meta events don’t have valuable rewards?

Arena might be ok for GvGs but too small for 1v1s. There can only be like 4 duels going on at a time and even then it’s crowded.

Bad overnight coverage means you lose everything overnight except maybe 1 garrison/keep. But usually everything. Just because when fighting at 1:3, 1:4 or worse odds it doesn’t matter how upgraded a keep or tower is or how much defensive siege is in it. The opposing force can just move to another tower or keep and block access to it with their 3+:1 ratio of forces.

TC has top 3 or 4 oceanic coverage. The difference between T1 and T2/3 is consistent coverage much more than numbers. All servers in these tiers have roughly similar power at NA prime times but at other times, varies greatly.

Cinder.2056:

I hope that there wont be a season 2, all the low end server of any league would just massive lose players. No one wants to get stomped for 5 out of 7 weeks.

The ones who like a challenge will be there.

OP has a 1 week fix but he ain’t telling what it is… Not buying it.

Anyway in case it wasn’t obvious, coverage and WvW population are what determine score and tiers.

Under tier 1 this is very obvious where some servers will consistently take everything overnight with less than a single map queue because they are fighting with 3:1 or 4:1 numbers advantage. It’s all relative to the population at any given time zone so coverage is worth much more than total WvW population.

I have not seen any great suggestions to fix coverage though adding a bloodlust-like effect to the “outmanned” buff would be something, at least to counteract the snowball effect of bloodlust.

If you want to measure player skill, it’s gvg or xvx or 1v1, right?… Because being able to sit on an AC in a tower for a 5 hour shift is dedication, not skill. On the other hand, if you care about PPT, tiers and all that, it’s dedication that counts the most in WvW. It makes sense that the most dedicated PPT players are going to be drawn to the highest tiers. Also that they might consider lower tier players who looking more for a good fight, to be casual.

This question is even worse than “best 1v1 class”.

Higher PPT AND capture/defense rewards for more upgraded objectives. Would do away with karma trains and bring back defense.

Of course it’s not going to fix lopsided coverage but nothing that would actually be implemented is going to fix that.

Do you even competitive PvF?

SonofNoob.3102:

The endless Badguuma tears….

of laughter. Always amused when PPTers try to explain to how everyone else is doing it wrong. JQ’s PPT PVF heroes are vastly superior to BG’s though. Get on their level.

DivineBeing.2086:

NeroGuilt.4720:

Oh wow. So, which server does the most PvD has the most skill? That is more narrow than me preferring 1v1 and 1vX. At no point did I say i was soooooooGEWDDDDDD ZERMG. I just prefer actually challenging myself. You can’t judge it by matchups when mag is so out of place in this, and if you do…that’s pretty sad.

Which is why BG shouldn’t even be fighting you guys in the first place.

You can argue that you can play the game however you want and in reality you can. A professional soccer player can choose to play rock, paper, scissors with other soccer players during the middle of the game.

In reality though, all you’re doing is wasting a potential slot where another player who actually wants to play WvW may actually do so. No queues? I doubt you have no queues 24/7.

I know a lot of you 1v1 enthusiast want to throw all your hate towards me justifying that the match has already been decided. Go ahead and give up, that’s cool.

In reality, you should be directing your hate towards Anet and their match up system, or if the rumors are true FA for throwing the match. So either Anet’s match up system is messed up and you guys drew the short end of the stick OR FA threw their match in order for them to stay in tier 2 thus jacking up the balance of this match up.

Because you are right. BG does have superior coverage than Mag. Is that our fault? Maybe. However, the score itself shows that this match up shouldn’t have happened in the first place.

So, sorry guys. I know how feels to be matched up against a server with superior coverage, it’s no fun. I am sure that’s why BG decided to recruit guilds to fill those gaps in coverage when the whole “1 last FREE server transfer” occurred. Again, honestly though, if you seriously do lack coverage (and I am assuming you actually know your coverage 24/7 and not BSing, nor do I know that my coverage is actually getting fights) then you should have not been matched against us.

However, this still doesn’t change the fact you are playing WvW and not PvP lol. Nobody should be angry that their 1v1 is ruined….

Yes it was already made clear BG’s PPT champions think WvW is somehow not Player vs Player.

But don’t assume just because you’re bored and no one else seems to care about what you assume to be YOUR game mode, that no one else is having fun. Mixed in with the thousands of PPT zerglings, I’ve seen a good number of players on BG who think that a challenging fight between skilled players is fun for it’s on sake and not for some meaningless number.

I would definitely like to face BG more, maybe next season, if only to fight the 2 out of every 100 of your players that are actually worth fighting.

Small groups of 3-5 can ninja keeps with 80-100 supply, potentially just 1 trip back to resupply. There’s just no incentive to do so when it takes 3 times longer, much higher risk, and equal reward.

If you want to allow combating zergs with smaller forces, fix rally system so it’s not a free pass for larger groups.

If you want to change the meta, fix the reward structure to better reflect the contributions of smaller groups and individual players.

Just modify the rally system down to 2 players and 2 times before insta death.

Bash.7291:

Zephyrus.9680:

Bash.7291:

Fuzzion.2504:

Zephyrus.9680:

Lol no. Try killing running full tank guardian with 3 stacks of bloodlust when most of your damage and all cc is melee range. It doesn’t matter that you’re hitting him with a zerker set, still takes minutes.

Their weakness is Chill. Stack em up , ram them in, and watch em cry

Or anything that can move at more than regular speed -.-

Also, @Zeph: Kiting does not mean face tanking you… which is what it sounds like happened.

I guess not every guard is as squishy as yours. And true, kiting implies he was still trying to fight which he was not. He was full out running. Kind of lost the point though.

Anyway I did finally find some excellent fights with BG after so… faith partially restored.

I’m trying to figure out where I said I was squishy, would you mind pointing that out for me? Also, which is it, he kited you, he was super tanky and you couldn’t kill him fast enough, or he ran? I mean, each post seems to change. :P

Pedantic or just clueless? Because wow. He ran to his friends while still in combat and taking hits. What’s your technical term for that?… Mine is “t1 maneuver” now. He used the classic T1 maneuver to outplay me and it rustled my jimmies a little knowing his tactics were superior.

“Or anything that can move at more than regular speed -.-” That’s the part where you suggested you were squishy. I realize the other option, unskilled, was statistically more likely but I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. Some players don’t realize you can look behind when running forward or else will just sit in big damage and get caught by every CC because they spammed their dodge rolls for no reason.

So if you want to prove otherwise pls duel :P Or just to have fun. You can choose thief or ele.

Zeke Azul Falcon.5176:

Zephyrus.9680:

Getting infected by JQ’s “roaming” meta.The only solution is a 24/7 fight club!

at times i do agree with SOR in their definition of roaming, it is just players with cheesy builds fighting with another cheesy build see whose build is cheesiest.

Idk I don’t buy that. Maybe some classes and builds are more 1-dimensional than others but a duel between 2 good players can usually go either way. It’s mostly up to individual skill which is what makes it fun.

When I’m solo roaming against T1 I die maybe once every 15 minutes when I’m suicidal. When zerging it’s more like once every 2+ hours. To enjoy dueling/solo roaming you have enjoy the fight itself and not be scared of losing, sometimes a lot. It seems most people are though.

Bash.7291:

Fuzzion.2504:

Zephyrus.9680:

Lol no. Try killing running full tank guardian with 3 stacks of bloodlust when most of your damage and all cc is melee range. It doesn’t matter that you’re hitting him with a zerker set, still takes minutes.

Their weakness is Chill. Stack em up , ram them in, and watch em cry

Or anything that can move at more than regular speed -.-

Also, @Zeph: Kiting does not mean face tanking you… which is what it sounds like happened.

I guess not every guard is as squishy as yours. And true, kiting implies he was still trying to fight which he was not. He was full out running. Kind of lost the point though.

Anyway I did finally find some excellent fights with BG after so… faith partially restored.

Getting infected by JQ’s “roaming” meta.The only solution is a 24/7 fight club!

Lol no. Try killing running full tank guardian with 3 stacks of bloodlust when most of your damage and all cc is melee range. It doesn’t matter that you’re hitting him with a zerker set, still takes minutes.

Guardian kites from ele for 2 minutes till its 1v3. Still goes down. Laughs when team saves him. #T1roaming

deracs.1762:

I would guess that over time if certain servers really are truly under populated, they will eventually do a server merge of some sort. The question really at this point is what is the overall game population. If it is simply transfers then they may offer incentives to move to lower populated servers. If the game population overall is dwindling you will likely see server mergers

That won’t happen because WvW presence doesn’t have a relation with total server population. Mass transfers made sure of that.