Guild Wars 2

Jayne.9251:

I wonder if they’re full, but those new to WvW aren’t in traditional spots? Like scattered all over because they don’t know where they should be?

This is the part where someone mentions the jp achievements, and then someone else gets really mad, then someone else defends them, then everyone disregards it and goes about their business as normal.

1. GvG
2. Alt-Friendlyness
3. Countering counter siege in a way that gives non-commanders something to do.

this thread just got hawkward.

dreztina.4820:

PhilBrank.4965:

dreztina.4820:

Lol RET. I’m getting the impression you guys are a lil upset about how badly I’ve kitten d you guys anytime one of you got brave enough to wander from the herd.

I’m… confused where this is coming from? Oh well lol, you can certainly think that if you want

Had a lot of fun so far this week. Good fights tonight VR, i second what Zoel said.

Looking forward to more throughout the week!

I think it’s pretty plain where it’s coming from. Anytime someone from RET fights me, they get destroyed, now they are chasing me around for extended periods, adding on fights every chance they get, etc. I mean it’s fine; it’s been a while but I’ve been matched against FA before, I know what to expect from you guys. Just laughing at it a bit.

idk who you are please identify your guild tag so that we can chest thump appropriately

also i hope mag ends up in silver because if they do a top in bottom out system we might never match maguuma again if they go gold

kartek.6428:

oh no RET better go get that 60 man blob now that you can no longer run a 20 man with half mesmers

lol like we have characters that aren’t guardians

what is this 1998? are you watching friends right now?

Anyway good fights against VR in the gvg tonight. You guys run a really interesting comp and it’s a good thing we had more than a few looks at it over the week because it would have completely destroyed us (and did outside of gvg) if we had matched on fri, sat, sun.

It’s definitely the only time I think we’ve adjusted our entire comp for one guild in a gvg.

e: Oh man I almost forgot. Whoever dropped that moamorph on me in round 1 or 2 when I popped book. HOLY POOP that was so clutch.

nomdeplums.5780:

Dear Mag,
Thanks for the bags. You can have your breakout tower back.

With love,
RET

man don’t brag about a tower farm de sade

i don’t think they even had a commander

good fights against ark and pyro and vr and nova and rp tonight. it’s unfortunate that we never rolled equally sized groups but that’s life.

please to contact tsorin for gvgs those of you asking. We’ve been trying to get one against VR but we haven’t been getting much of a response. IDK if we can do meow, I don’t usually see you guys so I’m guessing you roll a lot later than we do.

p lazy bro

I think you have a lot more militia than you used to have but maybe I’m cray cray. Given your style I think you’d be making fun of them on the forums a lot more if that were so.

Given our current coverage I don’t think we would lose to Borealis Pass, but I have sincere doubts that either Maguuma or Fort Aspenwood would exist in its current form in silver league, so that’s neither here nor there.

Also getting trolled by mag is kind of depressing because I know that no matter what they say it can never again reach the apex of having Tolbhrin inflicted upon me.

Yeah I dunno what happened to you guys between last week and this but you destroyed us last night.

I’m not going to hide behind numbers. Your ZvZ last night was played better than I’ve seen it played by JQ, BG, SoR, TC, and sure as poop SBI.

Here’s a vid of round 3. RET won 5-2 but it could have easily been 2-5, you’ll understand why if you watch this video.

Hopefully someone with more hard drive space can upload other rounds. You also get to hear me call/verify pacify very loudly at the end so enjoy.

GFs to ark. I only remembered to fraps one out of 7 but it was the insane third round, so I’ll get that up ASAP.

Tier 2 (which this shakes out to be, sans TC) is generally a good matchup. Unfortunately there’s 4 total coverage servers, 4 high ones, and 6 spots in gold league.

There was talk of a double team. I was commanding. I said I don’t care who gets the keep as long as I get bags. Bags were acquired. One of those bags had a keep in it. It happens.

Insane Pancakez.9182:

RET I give props to you guys, you kicked my guilds kitten over and over 8+ times. But i’d love to fight you guys when you run about 20 instead of that blob. I think you guys are good enough to run smallers numbers, why not try?

I can’t help being a popular charismatic cult leader.

Either way good enough to run smaller numbers or not it wouldn’t really make sense to take chances for mag’s benefit when we have to deal with 3 guild groups fighting us like the rest of the weekend.

If you want to run smaller numbers, well, there’s GvG and we do those. pm bass head or stawker. (I don’t set those up for various reasons to include I’m lazy.) Need at least 24h notice though. Not going to do any of these hi lets gvg in 15 minutes things.

Nope. That character name does have 3 l’s.

Please note that while we try to have raids every day, patch days and thursdays are non-mandatory.

Achilles.2197:

Let me remind FA, when I was on SoS, you guys would take a full map queue zerg in EBG (80-90 people) and take SoS towers/camps/keep while TC was cherry picking what they wanted. You would also push SoS bl when your own bl was being taken by TC. I don’t feel sorry for you. I don’t feel bad for you. I don’t care that you’re upset it’s now happening to you. Edit: A prime example of why I don’t feel bad for you; I spent 2 hours personally (as in by myself) upgrading Durios and Umber. Running yaks. Buying/building siege. Scouting. Defending the camp from roamers. Etc. Within 2 minutes, a 90 man FA blob showed up, flipped Umber, flipped Durios, destroyed the siege I built, chased me down, killed me, and spammed emotes. Sucks to be you now, I guess. hashtagKarma

To SoS, though I still love you guys, we used to do the same thing to SBI and CD before the random matchups started. We always had blowouts against them, always had T3 towers that we packed full of siege and open field ACs. Every server does it. Stop talking bad about the server that’s doing it to you if you’re going to do it next week.

How rare! I also don’t feel bad for us.

This literally almost killed me in real life.

There are simultaneously more queued maps and more empty ones.

JudgeD.5673:

One can also argue that having the right WvW rank/skills and killing 5 NPCs is also OP vs someone who doesn’t have the same buff, but I’ve yet to hear any complaint about this.

I suspect you are not very attentive.

your obsession with batman is somewhat disturbing.

just ignore it and don’t play ppt. you’ll get fights during na prime regardless

This is it?

You’re no Maguuma.

Mirsa.1628:

Azure.8412:

Sorry DB and FA. You guys will need to handle our excessive numbers compared to yours. Please 2v1 us. We need it.

RET’s map blob in DBBL was excessive tonight.

Looks like about 20-25 people. Most people always think they’re outnumbered because all of the red names stacking up look much more numerous than the blue/teal/tan names which spread out from each other.

I count at least 22 dots on your minimap, so you don’t seem quite that terribly outnumbered at this point in the fight. That said it’s still horribly tilted against you for reasons outside of that.

You don’t have any applied fortitude or guard leech stacks, and if I recall you had 1/3 bloodlust, you probably aren’t using a stacking weapon, and you’re a melee character in a composition that acted predominantly like a ranged comp. (And clearly not benefiting from aggregate health in this picture.)

So while I wouldn’t say you were outnumbered I have the impression that we were rolling an extra, lets see, 3k times 1.05, add a zero, multiply by 2… that’s what, 62k aggregate health from the getgo? And all of you seemed fairly underleveled rank wise. (It’s fairly easy to tell with Sanctum of Rall because Sanctum of Rall Bonze Whatever takes forever on the screen.)

edit: (Or we should have been. I need to send some people to eb to level up from the looks of that screen shot.)

Also I didn’t get the jumping in the water over and over again. Yeah I mean it was an okay out in a pinch but you just let us pit stop with impunity and couldn’t take any sort of initiative for most of the fights.

Basedgod.7328:

IBountyHunterI.4601:

Did anyone else on DB BL just mass crash or was it just all of TG?

6 or so RET crashed out of DBBL around the time when we were in at Garri

Though we were tied up with IRON when it happened. So maybe it was at a different fight.
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Good fights so far. The amount of metaphorical hilarity on TS when our commander named “Zoel Train” pushes us into Choo is too amusing. “Derail their stack”, “Hit their rear carriage”

I feel like myself and Choo both understand the very real truth that trains without breaks have an extremely poor safety record.

brutus the bards sing of your arrival and i await the day you will return to our shores to take your bride

2v1 to do what exactly

If we did that during NA prime half of us wouldn’t have anything to do

We were wooing rise back when they were on Kaineng.

lol if you something something ppt?

I’m not really sure why you’d be worried about ascended gear. I play WvW pretty much always, and getting applied fortitude took way way way longer than getting any of my ascended gear.

Although, if you have limited play time, ascended gear probably isn’t even remotely worth it.

I mean, ascended gear just isn’t that good. Full ascended including weapon only gets you +198 from exotic, and orb buffs alone (since they include condi and hp too, thought they didn’t in op, whoops) get you +900.

The only real advantage to ascended is that it lets you use fewer pieces to make a glass bunker when you have the buffs.

I spent yesterday getting spare gear pieces for my cleric guardian.

When life gives you bad game balance, break it. 1000 healing power, 3,500 attack, 3,100 armor, 30 percent crit chance (50 with fury), 22 percent crit damage, 20k health?

Well. Ok. I guess I’ll take all the stats since they’re there.

So just to check this buff is pptv +5% vit only right? Or does it include anything else like hp? I’m building my alt set for when we have the buffs but it’s hard as a clerics guard :x

Woe is everyone.

I’m holding out hope that this will eventually be balanced, in so far as the desire to implement “leagues” and a decision to not balance anything ever seems intensely dissonant.

I completely agree. Like I said, there has to be some balance, but I don’t think anyone is demanding that it be perfect.

Straegen.2938:

No question powerful but is possible for all classes to achieve. Ultimately powerful but it doesn’t cause a significant balance issue. Bunkers do make better use of that pool but that is to be expected.

Sure, it’s possible for all classes to achieve; hence it is mandatory. Is it really fun to have a mandatory trait that prevents you from touching anything else for one hundred and fifteen ranks?

Mattargul.9235:

Lord Kuru.3685:

Honestly, WvW is doomed because new players or casuals soon won’t be able to compete with veteran players. Without new players WvW dies.

If you think casuals can compete with veteran players if they only had the same gear…, you are going to have a bad time.

As mentioned above, WvW isn’t designed to be “fair”. If you wanted to make it fair we’d get into the whole nonsense of limiting populations, so every server would bring in the same amount of people, no siege, because the guys with 20 arrow carts have an advantage, no walls, because they give an advantage to defenders, etc, etc.

Think of WvW more as trying to beat the odds.

It’s unfortunate people are so gloomy gus about the whole affair. WvW is not dying tomorrow.

Either way, I’ve never played a game of blackjack where the dealer could go to 31. The dealer would have to offer me pretty ridiculous odds for me to consider playing.

Really, anything more than 10% of the stat budget (which is a lot) going to boons from wxp and orbs isn’t very reasonable. At the very least, those boons should be no more than the jump between exotic and ascended.

I’m not concerned about parity in terms of result. Good players should beat bad players, which, you know, should happen because they’re better. Marginal advantages from numbers, ascended stats, etc. isn’t a huge deal; like you said, it’s a losers game to try and get perfect balance.

But, I think it’s reasonable to expect some modicum of balance to the extent it doesn’t feel like we’re on some sort of weird homebrew server with extreme settings.

Ascended gear doesn’t really bother me so much for a variety of reasons. The methods to obtain it aren’t nearly as onerous as when FOTM was the only game in town for that, and the stat difference between exotic and ascended is actually fairly reasonable given that you use pve gear in wvw. It’s like 200, which strikes me as pretty reasonable.

But the grant of stats five times in excess of the exotic to ascended jump does bother me. Especially since the method of acquisition is so arbitrary and the requirements for the first two trait lines are so very steep. And of course, you can only directly control (at best, if you aren’t in EB) one third of the ruins of power buffs on your own, so it essentially boils down to the luck of who you have on other maps when it comes to that.

I mean, we’re talking about an entire extra set of gear, here. If world ranks unlocked 8 additional trinket slots we would think it was pretty absurd, so why isn’t it absurd when the same stat bonus is just given?

Asudementio.8526:

saiyr.3071:

Asudementio.8526:

Evalana.5480:

Tricare.2946:

Why are people running stack weapons in GvG’s?…… Scrubs

Isn’t it like an unwritten rule that you’re not supposed to do that?

Pretty much, but personally i have never been bothered by the notion cause i consider it along the lines of food and oil/stone/crystal. I often encourage ppl pick up a cheap weapon to throw a major stack sigil on to buff up their stats as we do things that don’t involve combat with the enemy. The hatred towards them has been growing though and not many are willing to put up with the trouble. /shrug

What does that have to do with GvG? o_o You’re not supposed to do it in GvG because it’s supposed to be about equal footing and stack sigils create a small snowball effect over time. Though it also makes me sad that they plan to make it so if you remove a stack sigil weapon, you lose all of your stacks.

Oh, i was relating this to GvG because it is a preparation, and i consider preparations such as crystals, sigils, food, etc. fair game- but my sentiment is not shared with many and you depend on consensus for GvGs.

I haven’t heard of food being a no no but sigils yeah

it wouldn’t be a big deal except who the heck wants to wait for the other side to refarm their stacks?

DevonCarver.5370:

bradderzh.2378:

The issues are not usually that a server has low population, it’s that a server has a low wvw population. A top tier server that has lots of dedicated wvw guilds around the clock who primarily care about wvw don’t neccasarilly have a higher population than lower tier servers, it’s could just be that the ratio of wvw to PvE/spvp players is higher.

However, you can’t tell people what game type to play, so you will still lose each week because they don’t want to help out in wvw.

The issue is, that while you may be on these lower tier servers and still care just as much about wvw as the higher tier servers, you are essentially on the wrong server and if this system rewards the heavily stacked servers more it’s only going to promote more stacking.

You mention in this post why nothing is changing here. We can’t merge servers based on what percentage of players on a server play WvW. We make determinations about servers based on their overall population. Your best bet is to use the influx of rewards from the season to convince people on your server to start paying attention to WvW. Or convince people to transfer to your server to boost your WvW ranks.

why do WvW teams have to be based on servers? it seems fairly arbitrary. Why can’t you merge the lowest pop servers WvW wise for wvw purposes only? People who want to get into WvW will probably just transfer to a WvW server rather than try to help a dead server because it’s the path of least resistance.

If you didn’t read what I said extremely closely, you probably didn’t realize that WvW server is a term that makes perfect sense given the current game state.

NEVERMIND it’s just me.

i’m clearly too powerful to be allowed seige.

good news if you hate seige. this randomly bugged throughout garrison.

http://i.imgur.com/6a928Q9.jpg

except we already have it up so you might not want to bother?

idk i guess you can golem

the only real solution is to go back to 1 day matchups. We already have 3/8 day 1 blowouts. What is the point of week long matchups?

Chris.3290:

CD…
At least you guys know how to hold a grudge (meant with actual respect).

FA, you guys are disappointing. You think with your numbers you would want to mix it up a little, but the folks on SoSBL…we saw their backsides all night. I’ve never seen an entire server go all cowardly lion all at once like that.

CD had more cohones than you guys tonight by far.

I will say the multiple battles at inner Hills was fun in the first hour though. Some FA people wanted a fight (set our expectations so high, only to let us down later) and CD really wanted to keep it.

Seriously FA folks, were you wearing MF gear? We saw tougher mobs on Borlis Pass a few weeks ago. All you had tonight was numbers, and that isn’t impressive against the two of the smaller NA presences in the top 12.

ya we’re bad at the game

Le Rooster.8715:

CD please learn to prioritise, i know you guys hate us so much but please try to defend your home bl

CD is out there in small numbers but it’d be pretty silly for them to dump everything into CDBL since they need you in order to balance a fight

thanks

it’s been a goal of mine since puberty and i worked really kitten it

my plan is to basically become a one man jericho fan club all week and try to fight him as much as possible

or at least as much as I can since i’m leaving to get married in a week

we had a heart to heart the other week where he told me the secret to open field fighting

Bolero Bloodreign.9025:

Calvin.5380:

Just so BG/SoR know, JQ claimed in their last matchup that the only reason they’re not T1 is because BG and SoR 2v1 them every time. Maybe it’s time to show ’em who da boss

I know you’re just kidding around and teasing them, but JQ is really a very good fighting server. Other than us (BG), I honestly believe JQ can beat SoR if we weren’t around because our NA crew don’t push SoR as much as our SEA crew.

IMO, BG is the smartest most strategic WvW server, SoR is the biggest with the most people, but JQ is the best pure fighting WvW server I’ve come across.

For the sake of argument, what is the best fighting guild on JQ?

awesome thank god we randomly get the chance to play against afk servers

level 80 spirit weapon status:

still not as good as level 20 necro pets

Calvin.5380:

Zoel.9154:

Calvin.5380:

Some Steven Seagal for you guys:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VYLCP0JeIU

JQ, I hope you recover from the traumatic experience that was this thread. This is T3 meta. Get comfortable with it.

please remove this man from your guild for being impressed with your servers ability to out post jq

thanks in advance

lol. cry more.

oh dang you got mad

i can tell because you didn’t make or detect a joke

step back brah step back

Calvin.5380:

Some Steven Seagal for you guys:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VYLCP0JeIU

JQ, I hope you recover from the traumatic experience that was this thread. This is T3 meta. Get comfortable with it.

please remove this man from your guild for being impressed with your servers ability to out post jq

thanks in advance