Guild Wars 2

Patrick.2987:

20 second lasting portal with downtime if traited of 8 seconds is pretty huge mobility if u can use it infinite times granting barrier on top.

the prob with that you will be half dead before you use it… and thx to the range it wont help anything againts all the bloated mobility every class has nowdays compared to necros….. they will be almost instantly on you again….

nekretaal.6485:

Is the scourge going to be a sitting duck against condition users?

it will be a sitting duck againts everything like prety much all the other necro specs builds at this point…

On a serious note… can we get blocks atleast ? as a bare minimum ? on some of our skills ? or something ? Mobility maybe ? so we can hit people with our melee abilities ?

would be nice if i actualy could do something againts the obvious Burst dmg that is coming in my way the moment i see any other class runing in my way…..

or something that helps us get away from people ? seems like everyone else can teleport/Jump/dodge/invis through half the zones if something goes bad except us…

also can we maybe just MAYBE not get anymore Nerfs on our ONLY existing Defense ?
you know… Shroud ? THE shroud that suppose to replace 4+ other defensive mechanics alone ?

Lead Devs be like:

YOU get infinite mobility/blocks/immunes/Invis
and YOU get infinite mobility/blocks/immunes/Invis
and YOU get infinite mobility/blocks/immunes/Invis
and YOU get infinite mobility/blocks/immunes/Invis
and YOU get infinite mobility/blocks/immunes/Invis

Sir ? what about necros ?

Dev: Whats a necro ? oh wait yeah yeah i remember now…. lets give them 180 vitality

Sir ? are you sure…

Dev: I SAID 180 VITALITY !!!!!

okay okay……..

Dev: oh btw Nerf Shroud for the lols

Eh for the lols… sir ?

Dev: FOR THE LOLS !!!!!

Ghostt.1293:

At least we have a greatsword

A kitten useless one tough lol

Tank necro ?

TANK NECRO ?!

PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAAHAAHAAHAHAAHAH
i bet he was baby sitted by an ele+guard ? thats the only way a necro will survive anything these days…

Also necros are at this point forced into super tanki builds because we have no tools to survive ANYTHING in dps builds alone….

Thustlewhumber.7416:

Necro is basically invincible in wvw right now.

Twyn.7320:

how it feels when it’s used against you.

Where was this Dev Wisdom when they Bloated Thiefs with infinite mobility and teleports and broken Dmg ?

Kusumura.8642:

The game is balanced entirely around PvP anyway. PvE is a secondary afterthought. That’s been apparent for years.

and Necros ?

they don’t fit neither…. so what they balance necro for/againts/with ? Cookies ? because it seems like it….

Condition here condition there…..

Can we finaly move away from this Condi BS ?! Seriously…

i wasnt in the Beta was busy doing the entire season 3…

but i heard that even the MOBS on the new expansion are tunned for Condi dmg and Power feels weak and hits like a wet noodle on Mobs compared to condi…
is that true ? i don’t know if thats true or not….

But can we globaly start nerfing conditions ? or start bringing up the power builds ?

Or something ?

we are at a point where almost every single class meta build is Condi……. let it be PvE or PvP…..

HeadCrowned.6834:

We get a portal though? :O

that totaly gonna help us when we get jumped on by people with superior mobility…. so bassicaly everyone….

both of them have mobility and self sustain…

necro don’t have either

so no it can’t be done……

whats this thread about anyway ?

Pfffff phatetic Another necro Elite that will be a free kill in Spvp….

no reliable immunes or blocks or mobility still ? realy ?

also those phatetic ammount of FEW K Shields WONT ever replace the arround 15k-20k+ Shroud…..

So necros now will be killed easier then ever…

poor souls that take this new spec into Spvp i allready feel for them….

LOL all the people that actualy happy here plays condi… how suprising….

Tzozef.9841:

Come to the Dark Side

dat sith lord……. i see what you did there….

Still waiting for revenant weapon skins….

the class is not whole without them T.T

Kuya.6495:

I can’t tell what’s funnier. Quishies getting ganked by thfs or thfs getting salty about guard anything.

Quishies ? 3000 armor and 20k + 17k Shroud HP is not squishy… still getting instantly blown up by thiefs when they jump on me in seconds…

thats Broken… with that mobility and utility they should NOT have that ammount of dmg….

Lord Trejgon.2809:

AlanCMD.9205:

Hi, I wonder if Anet is going to allow us to use proofs of heroics to unlock new elite traits in wvw at launch day?

If they are going to use new currency to unlock the new elite traits…I hope that it can be obtained via skirmish chests (just like proofs of heroics).

if you have got all hero points available in the game, at this moment, then after maxing everything you are left with roughtly 300 spare ones

which means that if they stay at same cost to max a spec as the first gen elite specs – you should be able to buy it out on day one and still have spare hero points

i have ALL skill unlocked and have ALL the existing Hero Points..

i have a total of 363 free point to spend :P

saerni.2584:

Sorry little late in replying.

Of course insta kill builds are discouraging…but new players know they suck and expect to die to experienced players. Even non insta kill builds will kill new players quickly enough.

Point being, you can’t balance a game around people who are unfamiliar with the mechanics and end up dying because of that. I try to help new players when I can but I can’t be expected to not play at a level which can kill good players just because that may feel overwhelming to newer ones.

dont act like everyone is just BAD againts thiefs lol…..

Thiefs is broken both DMG utility and mobility wise something needs toning down….

Dawdler.8521:

Necro OP

Yeah devs thx… Pound necros harder into the Dirt while laughing on us and trolling the hell out of this class…..

seriously why are we still playing necros at this point ? seems like Devs dont want this class to even exist at all….

Tobias.8632:

mazut.4296:

Sorry, but when I reached “Because of this change it killed any possibility that a minion build could be viable in the future. Not to mention that Minion skills themselves were lacking in power to make them a real viable option in most if not all situations.” I stopped reading. This is such BS…
I run minion build and its fantastic! Some traits/skills might use tweaks, but your statement is just laughable…

Oh you’ve figured out how to do at least 30k dps with minions on 4k health raid dummy? Because that’s the only PvE metric that has any relevance at all. Survivability is worthless because even a glass ele can survive all content that exists in the game. World content is worthless because any class can do that fine. The only PvE part of the game where a thing being good matters is in raids.

Spvp wants a word with you….

Jinn Galen.2468:

KrHome.1920:

Non-Soul Reaping Power Reaper was actually buffed.

Dagger/Warhon Spite/Curses/Reaper Proc Build is not slow at all and has a huge impact in WvW smallscale and sPvP. Just pick Paladin Amulet if you feel too squishy. It’s viable as Trooper Rune /Full-Shouts and Strengh Rune/pick whatever utility you want build.

(This does NOT mean necro is fine! It’s not, but there are still viable builds that are fun to play.)

Zoltreez.6435:

other classes do the same or even more dmg with INSTANTS then a Power Reaper with his darn slow channeled MELEE abilities… that only works againts people that dont know how this game works….

Drop that danm GS and Staff if you want to do damage! ;-)

I’m starting to think the same. Stupid GS will never hit anyone with half a brain. Before I got HoT, I was using power dagger. It does good damage when you get close. People won’t just let you AA them of course, but at least the attacks hit. I will miss the Nightfall stomp though.

i can actualy do more dmg with Daggers ONE single ability Life siphon alone then with the entire Kit a GS gives… in spvp

because its ranged and keeps going on invis targets…. and it also Heals lol

GS is a failed design…

You CANT design a Melee weapon WITHOUT mobility thats just WONT work at ALL…..

and NO a single Pull wont replaces mobility especialy when its not instant and has a half a year channel time and a super obivious HEY DODGE me animation that is also super slow….

and even if it hits.. 90% of the times it will be Blocked or immuned….

if you dont have guardians in WvW your doing it wrong….

Guardians are the HEARTH of WvW zerg combat…

also condi issue in zerg fights ? pffffff they get instantly removed 24/7…..

Axl.8924:

Yeah i keep being focused on in spvp because i solo queue and i get told that necro is fine l2p cause i get cced while in shroud and out shroud and blown up in 5 seconds due to massive burst and bleeds and poisons on me.

I gave up spvp because it was frustrating.

you just described Necro gameplay…..

majority of classes dont even need to CC a reaper in shroud… they just stand back and chip down your shroud from range while you have no chance catching them with their HUGE ammount of mobility… and when shroud is gone they have free 10 sec to go on you with their broken burst that can take you down in like 5 sec no matter how much Armor or HP you have and lets face it as a necro thats all the defense you have lol…….

Flumek.9043:

Lack of imagination

it has nothing to do with the lack of imagination…

we just don’t like to Glow in rainbow colors… its ugly….

Gideon.6742:

Hmm no review of Speed of shadows?

to be honest if the majority of necro issues would be fixed we would barely even need the old speed of shadows back…. but if devs keep ignoring Necros like in the past many years since RELEASE that never gonna happen…

Mohawkrocks.8654:

Wasn’t saying I was going to stay thief, just was giving an example of what I have been playing and getting frustrated with. Was asking for tips in general about SPvP whether it be other classes or well anything you can think of.

sory for acting like an a** but im a bit fed up with thiefs and mesmers in this game when it comes to Spvp and how the devs treat my main Class Necro….

anyway hope you get your answers…. btw its better if you go to the mists and test stuff for your self what works for you….

Jinn Galen.2468:

Who knows, maybe… just maybe… the devs will read and pay attention.

im just trying to not laugh here…

i swear to my necromancer char…. IF an ACTUAL DEV not a community manager or forum moderator or soemthing like that but an ACTUAL DEV comes in here and post something Positive about this…

i go and buy gems for irl money….. at that moment…while spinning on my back…

logan.5846:

The perils of light armor. You’re either an edgelord or a stripper.

or an old bearded man with bland robes and a hat…… bassicaly a Gandalf clone…

Sephylon.4938:

1st and foremost, and this is the most important part of this, stick to your team. Necros need an effective babysitter to perform effectively.

2nd, try using flesh wurm, and spectral walk, those should give you some outs.

3rd, accept that you are the most dangerous person on the field due to your boon hate, and at the same time the weakest, due to your lack of personal suitability, and as such, will always be 1st target. You need a good team to support you to survive.

in other words….

your useless alone as a class…
you will see the respawn room more times then dead enemies…
you need to be hard carried by others to be competitive….

Welcome back to the Necro………..

Keegan.4172:

I kinda like mine right now but I need twilight to make it complete… but yeah if you have a necro you kinda have to make it dark and edgy…

this reminds me il hope the 2h Legendary sword will be Reaper themed like the staff is druid themed..

and it will be a BIG 2h Scythe

Zenith.7301:

They’re not even letting elite specs be tested in PvE. That’s how little they care about viability of necro in PvE.

You think these people listen?

They don’t have public test realms, and the extent of their testing is weekend previews.

They virtually don’t care about your feedback.

this prety much….

the state necros are in for YEARS now proves this….

the AMMOUNT of ideas and suggestions this community give to the devs on these forums for years now how to fix the necro or rework it or ANYTHING is CRAZY now…

and we are still at where we started years ago…

Power Builds are still Unviable..
Minions are still phatetic..
Blood magic trait line is still full of useless or realy weak stuff..
Soul reaping just got Nerfed to Oblivion…
GS as a weapon is still totaly useless in Spvp …
Our survivability is still trash in Spvp…
STILL dont have a single reliable ability that counters Burst dmg like everyone else have…
Still have no mobility at all…even tough we got a melee elite spec at this point with a melee weapon…. LOL Logic devs USE IT !!!!

and the list just goes ooon and ooon and ooon….

i could make a BOOK with the list of issues the necros have Since release…

and i could Fit all the issues that got fixed by the devs after YEARS to a lone Sticker…..

the last thing we need is more thief………. -.-

YOU gonna be a thief and YOU gonna be a thief and YOU gonna be a thief….
EVERYONE is a thief…..

the theme…… the end….

If your playing necro and your not Edgy your doing it wrong :P

Who plays a Necro for rainbows ?

yeah and 90% of those top Reaper necros are Condi……

power necros are brokenly phatetic and weak stop deffending it …..

its NOT a high risk high reward class…. its hig risk for mediocre reward…

meanwhile majority of classes are low risk High reward or high risk Broken reward…..

a Power reaper have NO real worthwhile utilities to deal with the majority of classes that are BLOATED with them……

if your class needs someone to be baby sitted to be good for something it means the class as a whole is brokenly underpowered…. and you would be better of playing something that can deal with people alone like every single other class at this point….

a Power reaper is

-Slow
-Realy vournelable because it has no blocks or immunes or anything realiable realy
-no worthwhile utility
-no real heals that actualy heals for something while other classes Healthbars jump up and down like mad man thx to all their self healing they have in their kit
-had no defense againts Burst dmg
-has no mobility agains bassicaly almost everyone because everyone have better mobility
-has almost no range at all outside of axe to actualy deal dmg to kiters

All that dmg a Power reaper brings means NOTHING when you cant hit ANYONE and getting melted…. the kitten Long channeling times makes it HARD to deal any significant dmg EVEN when you finaly catch up to someone because they will dodge or get out of your ability….

other classes do the same or even more dmg with INSTANTS then a Power Reaper with his darn slow channeled MELEE abilities… that only works againts people that dont know how this game works….

Kam.4092:

Please put crying posts, and rage in this thread. You guys are kittenting up the forum by just making so many of the same threads with different titles.

I don’t know if you guys like overreacting, or if this is just how it is on the forums, but god kitten man.

Please have fun in here.

maybe if the devs would After many years try and fix the class and its MANY issues we would not cry here all day….

Arkaile.5604:

I want skritt commander tags. Those rodents don’t get enough love.

lol a Rat head commander tag XD

okay seriously at this point i want a boundle to buy that has many different Tags XD

Volrath.1473:

i haven’t seen condi thieves lately the majority is running D/P or S/D marauder…

same… and they are SWARMING spvp… all im seeing is half my teams are getting instantly killed by Thiefs jumping in and out and teleporting allover the place…

im forced to stack toughness to survive all these ( i insta blow you up thiefs )

im at a point where every 2nd player is a thief….
im done with Spvp at this point until changes not happen… and looking at the chats in game im not the only one that left Spvp because thiefs….

For the Kawaii people….

Can we get a Skull Commander tag for the Edgy people ?

yes this is totaly the most important thing right now… /s

but im serious….

Shroud CD reduced to 7 sec… PASSIVELY not with a trait…..build it in the class…
More mobility….
A Trait that gives Pulsating Protection or Regen every few sec while in Shroud
More mobility….
25% movement speed in the VERY FIRST Starting Trait for Wielding a GS
More mobility….
Faster cast time and lower CD on the GS pull…..
More Mobility….
A Trait where 10% of all the dmg you deal Heals you…
More Mobility….
The chill to bleed Trait reworked to something that increases your dmg somehow..

Ceta.7245:

Zoltreez.6435:

you wanted to say Sand summoning shaman ?
yes necros new elite sepc turns them into bassicaly shamans lol ( lame )

btw if Devs actualy listened this time reaper will get enough rework to turn it into a WORKING and Viable Power build while gutting Reapers condi Part to the ground….

at least thats their plan…. still waiting to happen tough x.x

Scourge WILL be a better condi Necro tough thats im 100% sure…

Yeah shamans, my bad.

But see, this confuses me so much. RIGHT NOW, condi Reaper is far superior to power reaper, that’s the way most people play the spec I’d argue. Yet we basically know for a fact that Scourge will outclass Reaper in condi damage, however there are zero buffs for power Reaper on the horizon.

So for a player like me, who just loves greatswords and wants to play Reaper even when the expansion drops, I’m taking a huge gamble if ANY Reaper build will actually be viable at all or if Anet “conveniantly” forgets to buff power Necro, so we’re all forced to play Scourge.

That really sucks, I was looking forward to craft my first legendary (I want the Dusk blade), but I have no idea if Reaper is even useable in PoF…

maaaan im like this since i got the elite Spec at the begining of the expansion…
and im running Power with GS since the very begining…. and i Aint changing because its cool as kitten… useless but cool….

so you can Imagen how I FEEL about this….. IF the expansion come and there will be no Power Reaper Fixes/changes/buffs only scourge scourge scourge… and reaper will be forever forgotten Spec that devs dont care anymore because it was a previous expansion old blablabla…

then i gonna break something in here….
im bassicaly torturing myself with Reaper since RELEASE hoping that it will be better…
and the ONLY thing i allways got when i read the patchnotes every single time is a SLAP in my face from the devs….

oh man…… how should i tell you….

you came to the worst most fundamentaly broken class ever…. that even the devs seem to dont know what to do with it or how to fix it….

pls tell me your not running a Power build at least in PvP ? if yes… RUN JUST RUN AND DONT LOOK BACK !!!!

or the class will make you hate the entire game…..

Welcome among the Necros…

nekretaal.6485:

The class can’t be good if the community hates the mechanic/playing against the unfun mechanic.

Thiefs…… anyone having fun fighting one ? still the king of 1v1 nuking anyone down and trolling half the other classes with broken mobility…….

but yeah scourge WILL be bad… its too stationary…. means its too easily avoidable… means everyone with a brain will massacre the scourge necros left and right….

caveman.5840:

it does not play out well it becomes pretty ridiculous just look at how it plays out in tera it does not sound like much but it ends up becoming pretty lame

maybe if there was a timer before u can use a mount after leaving combat it would not be as much of a circus act- but if all u need to do is leave combat for one second to use your mount this will be a joke

stop comparing tera its a different game…. with different mechanics…

Also you need waaaay more time then 1 sec free window to Mount up + Run out of range…. and all that without getting hit by anything…..

Lord Trejgon.2809:

Zoltreez.6435:

we can all agree Thiefs needs a nerf am i right ?

AND DEM FILTHY MESMURS!!! :P

jokes aside I’m not sure if it’s the issue with just these two or if it’s broader issue…

[and for how much I hate to fight against enemy mesmers or thieves I’m afraid I cannot speak objectively on their specific class balancing ]

Mesmers and Thiefs are Bloated with utilities and needs a toning down seriously…

caveman.5840:

Zoltreez.6435:

caveman.5840:

it is pretty easy to use your movement skills to get out of combat for a second …. tera does the same thing and it is a total circus

note some classes will be much better at this than others

if you can get out of combat with your mobilities and utilities away from the enemy it just means you would have escaped and run away anyway so mounts wont make a difference in it especialy when your enemy also can mount up so its back to being fair lol…..

Thiefs for example can dodge roll teleport accross half the zone away from you if he wants to anytime….

just because u can get out of combat for a SECOND does not mean u
“escaped and could run away anyway” but with a mount sure would be a heck of lot a easier lol !

If you got out of combat you got out of combat if its only for a Second it means you were in range of the enemy and got attacked instantly again…

well if that happens the moment you mount up you will be dismounted because your back to combat……

so again there is no issue here…. or are you teling me under that 1 sec you mount up while avoiding the enemies dmg and also run away out of range… under that ONE second ? then you were all ready in a position where you could have run away without a mount also…

either that or your a Quicksilver + Flash Hybrid.

Lord Velar.1509:

bluri.2653:

Lord Velar.1509:

Crinn.7864:

Lord Velar.1509:

It got nerfed today? Happy now?

Like seriously if i see another thread about condi thief after today I’m gonna start telling people off cause after this nerf

It’s really your fault if you die to one

Where are you seeing these nerfs? I see nothing in the patch nor in the thief subforum about any nerfs to condi thief.

My guess is a stealth nerf, ive co mained my condi thief for a long time and know how to use him

I can tell that his damage is way lower than it used to be, then i played a couple matches, I’m used to seeing 350K+-500k per match, not one match did i break 300k in damage

You need to lay down whatever you are smoking there is no nerfs to condi thief.

It was 9/10 stealth nerfed, also yet again, condi thief isn’t remotely op, you all just don’t know how to cleanse in a season where its condi wars…..i don’t see how thief is the issue

Yeah lets just ignore burn guards, deathly chill necros, condi ranger, condi ele, yeah….thief is the only issue

Thief is not the only issue … But thiefs no matter if its Power or condi is among there on the top of being an Overpowered bloated Issue

overall for most classes Condi as a whole is an issue…. Condi needs nerfs Globaly….

Anchoku.8142:

Condi Reaper is the best dps right now but is rumored to be destroyed when Scourge is released making Reaper a pure power spec.

When that happens, I hope for a buff to Reaper dps.

reworks are coming to it i heard….. and il hope it will be better then the last time where they actualy Nerfed Power reaper while buffed condi lol…..

Logic…..