Guild Wars 2

I think this is a reasonable nerf. Though its reflectable nature could be removed for compensation. As for the lifesteal working through endure pain and signet of stone, I dont think its a huge issue, and probably a hard one to fix.

Dawdler.8521:

akaCryptic.2389:

Balanced around zergs? The game is balanced around pvp and pve raids. So that means 3v3 to 10v10. Zerging is boonshare meta with no counterplay. Dueling isnt that bad but ele and necro are weaker duelists. Maybe ranger is a tad strong as well.

sPvP is 5v5 though and last I checked PvE raids wasnt a 20 man brawl between two player groups.

PvP is the main focus. But they do consider pve raids as well. See well of precognition and staff ele nerfs. Perhaps raids are also the reason they havent nerfed revenants facet of nature yet. Which is one of the contributors to boon meta in the gvg scene.

Balanced around zergs? The game is balanced around pvp and pve raids. So that means 3v3 to 10v10. Zerging is boonshare meta with no counterplay. Dueling isnt that bad but ele and necro are weaker duelists. Maybe ranger is a tad strong as well.

Saying solo Q is unplayable would be like me saying condi mesmers are unbeatable. You can’t draw such a conclusion from a sample size of 1 person. As you said, you are mad cause of the unexplainable loss streak, better take a break or team Q till your pip range / MMR is altered.

The post exceeded my expectations. I dont think Anet has done a terrible job with balance this season, but there are definitely some things that need shaving. I also agree that communication is an issue. Now that is not to say that they should listen to you, me or other numerous nerf threads on the forum. But listen to pro league players instead.

Personally I have accepted the power creep and will change my main if it becomes underpowered (like ele s4 level) and that doesnt bother me too much. And thats cause I cant find any other mmorpg with good combat and zero grind. They always have some issue.

If you have invocation that means a stunbreak on 10s cooldown.
In shiro dont activate quickness right after you swap because that means you cant stunbreak. Use it when glint is almost ready to be safe so you can stunbreak by swap.

If you have retribution you should grab enhanced bulwark (herald grandmaster) and that provides the best stability access in gw2. Leadership runes help too.

If you dont run either traitline, your build is bad.

You see 750k on guard because you have tons of aoe and have longer combat times. All things you hit including minions and illusions count. Whereas thief may do half your damage but it may be more valuable if it actually downs a target.

Sorem.9157:

How do you feel about going Retribution Invocation and Herald?

Great video, by the away

Retri and invo together would definitely work. I think invo and devastation have close dps but one has a condi clear and one has lifesteal.

So you want builds to be even more forgiving?

Not sure how I feel about that as stalemates are already pretty common. But definitely think the game is becoming too conplicated ever since HoT. (i.e each skill doing so many things). I like the fast paced combat but this is a bit too much for newer players. Its also vital for getting new players to grow their e-sports thing :P

Wondering this as well as I cant decide between the candidates
Nightmare
Travelers
Perplexity
Undead

I run trailblazer/rabid with curses.

5 Things power revs hate:

1) AI /pets
2) Boonstrip / corruption
3) Any condi especially weakness
4) Ranged damage combined with good kiting
5) The nerfs to shiro

Well your request is quite a hard one to fulfil because there is a high chance it would affect balance. DH may not be used in pro league but remember turret engi was banned. Besides, at least half the classes do have easy builds. Be careful what you wish for.

Though I may be biased cause I am against 90% of buff requests regardless of class. We need skills and traits to be weaker so pvp fights can be closer to what they were before HoT. Less forgiving builds & Less power creep.

Rev and thief. Guardian can also have great burst if you play around the trap test of faith properly though it has a low skill floor.

1) Anet doesnt strongly encourage zerging, its what community chooses to do for various reasons. For my server its mostly cause we have 0-1 commander. Cant comment on “efficiency” as I dont know any pro PPT tactics.
2) Fun is subjective. Just cause you and I dont enjoy 50v50 fights as much as 1v1 or 20v20 doesnt mean others dont.
3) Anet already secretly discourages zerging by not fixing skill lag. It’s bad enough I get 15 FPS with an overclocked CPU, I also have to deal with skills not working. No thanks, I’ll go to some other border or pvp where I have 80 FPS.

The bullet points you wrote are already relevant but most servers arent organized enough or care more about fights rather than PPT.

I dont really care how they fix it, this has got to be the most annoying rev bug, right next to unrelenting assault + confusion. Cant remember how many times enemy got decap thanks to this.

Top notch

/15recklessdodges

Cecilia.5179:

Never see S/S Revenant. I noticed that there were very few condis in those fights. How does your build handle condis?

It’s weak against condis and that is what makes power rev balanced as opposed to OP. Only cleanses are legend swap and staff 4 which have 10-15s cooldowns. Sometimes i run saffron bread (-20% condi duration) and in pvp I mostly run rune of leadership. In wvw one can also run hoelbrak or melandru runes for -40% incoming condi duration.

I get completely rekt by condi mesmers, with condi necro, condi warr and condi thief it can go either way but they do have an advantage. Best you can do is cycle blocks and evades to not get hit in the first place. I actually fight quite a few condi tanks in my first roaming video but its not as entertaining to watch as fights take long. The most watched videos are glass cannons, especially montages like thieves 1-shotting people.

Raezer.3459:

…
Would you recommend to start with higher thoughness and vitality first?
How can i best learn the rev basics/ mechanics? sPvP? PvE?

Would definitely recommend marauders armor and weapons as the extra vitality can be helpful without sacrificing too much damage. Toughness is kinda meh, its good in long fights but i think its a bit wasted on rev cause you have so many ways to actively avoid damage unlike necro who has to soak up all the damage, so toughness is more valuable to them.

PvE rev is very different so thats not gonna be very helpful. Its okay to get a feel for skills like range and cast times but thats about it. Unranked pvp is a good place to start. Make sure to have the meta pvp build with retribution (not invocation) as stability on dodge is godsend for beginners in a teamfight. Even I rarely swap out retribution in pvp these days with so many dragonhunters around. I dont know if there are good revenant guides for beginners out there but I will say that to get sorta good on rev you need to be aware of your energy pool, energy costs and cooldowns. If you die 1v1 vs a power build, it is probably because you didnt use all your blocks, evades, heals etc. In teamfights you need to avoid the aoe condi spam unless you run mallyx. Focus freecasters and cc them, know when to disengage when under pressure as you do have the necessary tools.

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

It is an honor to count you among the ranks of the Revenants. This class is not an easy one to play and takes quite a bit of time and knowledge for proper timing of skills and when to use them. You are a master at it.

/em Hats off to you good Sir!

Just one question, full Marauders?

I have a few marauder pieces, here is my setup http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?vlAQNAscmn3guNSuQ7JRboVlsP0rS4IaWJ4EdskFNFyugJshtDIARgdMnpNA-TFDEABRcCAg4QAQwDAA+9HcXbRiqrAoSQmU+BwBE4hjEQb6A8XliAAHA/23++bgzP/8zP/8+93f/93fLFQmbtA-w

The next video will either be:

1) How to fight against X class (possibly series)
2) Roaming with commentary (Yishis style)
3) Same thing as this video

Thoughts?

Edit: New roaming vid #4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJUcsnMPtQ0
Edit 2: New vid #5 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZvCnO4w9RE

Supreme.3164:

akaCryptic.2389:

Here is my “threat meter” for revenant without retribution/stability. (high meaning hard counter)

Hmm can I ask you how did you make this picture? Photoshop or some other program?

Photoshop. Got the idea from moba sites that use this kind of things for hero guides. Perhaps metabattle can implement something similar one day.

Velimere.7685:

akaCryptic.2389:

Here is my “threat meter” for revenant without retribution/stability.

How do you tell how much threat you’re generating?

Flip the meter horizontally?

Here is my “threat meter” for revenant without retribution/stability. (high meaning hard counter)

In PvP, I switch out shiro sometimes to mallyx depending on enemy composition. If it’s 3-4 condi, I will definitely use mallyx. The exception to this is that if they have 2 necros cause with all the corruptions, resistance is futile.

Otherwise staff 4, rune of leadership and glint heal are usually enough.

In WvW, I use durability runes so when roaming I’ll eat – condi duration food https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Loaf_of_Saffron_Bread You can also pick up hoelbrak runes and get a total of -45% condi duration. Saffron bread is especially good with invo + devastation build since you have no stability.

Other than that, the best advice is to not get hit by condis in the first place. We have a ton of evades, blocks and CC. In teamfights just keep kiting and stay out of aoe condi spam and harass their kiters. Unless of course you trust your teammates will cleanse you. Overall, you should usually lose to condi classes and thats completely fine. But here are some things that may let you beat them, or prolong the fight enough so your teammate +1s.

Against warriors, you have to be very careful when they’re in berserk mode and have mace. The burst skill is fairly obvious so dodging that shouldn’t be too difficult. Go full aggressive when they’re on longbow as they will melt fast, or waste a cooldown. In general try to be at 300 range so you have room to dodge stuns while harrassing him with your semi ranged skills.

Mesmers have low toughness, and that is pretty much their only weakness. You have to dodge into clones every single shatter because each one inflicts torment and confusion. Check your condi bar often, if immob’d, jsut block the shatters. Use your elite and staff 4 wisely for cleanses and never use sword 3 when you have confusion on you, unless you got glint heal up. Make sure to anticipate their block when they’re on sw/sh so you don’t hit them and make them deja vu. But if you do hit them, you can still use this to your advantage. You will be slowed, and sword #4 block lasts longer when slowed, if you use s/s ofc.

With necros you have to evade their marks since they are unblockable. When they are on scepter, just run around them in circles but dodge dagger #5 since it’s really slow and telegraphed. They’re quite weak in shroud actually, you can kite them relatively easily or attack them while blocking / evading. If they have curses, dodge their leap no matter what, it’s a very clunky skill anyway. Once their stability runs out, know that they have no stunbreaks or condi clears in shroud. Signets are fairly telegraphed too if they are using that.

Assumptions:

• Meta Build (invocation + devastation + herald) Swapping in retribution can make classes that rely on CC such as warrior and guard less of a threat. But everything will take longer to kill.
• No obligation to hold point, free kiting.
• Both players have above average skill level.

Edit: stepped up ranger a notch after today’s 1v1 tournament

Small update: Made a short video about revenant bugs on my channel. (No need to make a new thread for it)

You cannot escape from: ranger (staff + gs) & thief
You cannot catch: ranger, thief, condi (PU) mesmer

because stealth jukes > mobility

Assuming equal skill of course:

Alpha predators are condi mesmers and condi thieves.
Condi necro is tough if they have full life force but I’d say we still have a 50% chance of winning.

If you are not running retribution, interrupt spamming thieves
,guardians and condi warriors can be a pain to fight but I would still say its 50/50.

Any other fight should be in your favor.

I’m curious as to what others think of the matchmaking because there were always people complaining every season. I havent seen much difference btw seasons personally and did not complain at all.

Gaile Gray.6029:

A message from the PvP Team:

… but making rewards more accessible for casual players and making divisions prestigious and a more accurate indicator of skill are among our highest priorities.

Looking forward to this.

This change would make me dust off my necro for roaming but it won’t happen because it directly contradicts aNet’s vision of necros:

- Slow cast skills
- Low mobility
- Few blast finishers

Pve: bad unless enemy moves a lot for more torment damage
Pvp: i think its okay. maybe not as good as power but handles enemy conditions infinitely better than its power version.
wvw: bad. you really feel the lack of mobility . Still great for duels though.

I don’t mind them “fixing” out of combat legend swap. I will however be kittened if they do that before fixing unrelenting assault + confusion proc suicide. As if condi builds don’t counter rev enough…

1 minor trait to unlock a whole elite spec does seem bad. Maybe move that to GM minor?

Would it reduce the power creep and passive carry?
Would it increase build diversity?

Hard to say. As mentioned, it depends if you can stealth/kite or hold node. It definitely is not ele, necro or revenant though.

It seems to me that there aren’t any niche trick videos about revenant but mostly build guides. I tried to keep it short by exluding things that you would just figure out from reading the tooltip. Hope you find this helpful!

Oh man, where to begin. Havent roamed with power reaper since i got hyped by video of hollts.
Decent thieves will interrupt and blind you for days.
Revs do massive damage while being invulnerable more than half the time.
Druids just kite and cc you galore.
Condi mesmers…

Anything else isnt a strong counter exactly, but amongst power builds, necro is the worst right next to ele. Now condi reaper has its weaknesses too but it deals better with kiters and is more tanky. The way to go seems like axe wh staff and shouts. Havent tried spectral skills since cooldown buff so that may be worth giving a try.

Zaxares.5419:

All it needs is one simple change: If a player clicks “No”, they exit the match immediately.

This.

Was just going to post this. Pointless really, if i dont wanna team up i want to leave. 16 Seconds might not seem that long but whatever.

Definitely useful in all game modes. The adaptability for situation is great too. You need m ranged damage? Boon corruption? Resistance? Projectile defense? AoE stability? Just swap legends and you can handle anything. Do note that there is always a trade off.

What’s the point of the post?

1) Has been discussed before
2) We all agree
3) Anet won’t read this

Sorry mate but the boon meta won’t go away at least till the new expansion. Either Anet is too afraid to make big changes because whenever there is a nerf, deserved or not, people will complain. Or this is what Anet actually wants: dumbed down faceroll fights to attract more casuals = more people = more gemstore money. WvW combat started to be as easy as pve encounters where your rotation is all set in stone, leaving little room for improvisation. Right now only hard thing to do in GvGs which requires skill and coordination is to burst properly.

Here you can read the opinion of 100+ people in previous threads:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/WvW-Roaming-rank-the-classes-why

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Best-Profession-for-Roaming-in-Tier-1-WvW

I don’t believe there is a strong difference but I would put elementalist and necro somewhat lower than others.

Won’t happen. I agree that Wh 4 or Axe 3 are best candidates. But we haven’t had dev interaction on here since post-HoT. The feedback we give is pointless and you might as well be writing this to a wall. Same with other professions.

For pvp only well of corruption is decent on nodes but the cooldown is rather high.
For wvw i find wells mediocre these days, only thing they have got going is that they’re unblockable. Blood and darkness should never be taken. Power well is actually useful but i don’t take it if i don’t go blood magic. Suffering has laughable damage on melee train due to all the damage reduction. a full glass reaper hits 1 – 1.5k crits on average. 2.5k on downed pve elementalists which is still bad, considering rev hammer 1 hits 3k and hammer 2 10k on those guys. Corruption well is amazing in zergs so that never leaves my bar.

On the bright side I got champion shadow and working on paragon now. This bug might not be so bad afterall

If someone can try this build and give any feedback that would be great http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?vZAQJAWVn8lCFOhtNBmOBkmiFeCbuA2AngeHhnQVQ7M9DCAA-TVSBQBdRpXEeEAAc/hFpEUDHBALp+DAuAA6RXAWUGEA4AY4hT4hD88zP/8zP3yLv8yLvcpA6brF-w

Idea is to dodge vault spam, all crit from DD runes, while leaving crippling caltrops. Also has 2x Immob trap to stop enemy melee. Obviously it needs 2 guardians but the build may still not work.

The 4 tiers based on my observation:

Thief
—-
Mesmer / Ranger / Engi
—-
Warr / Rev
—-
Ele / Necro / Guard

Personally i find most succes with rev though, despite most people ranking it mid-bottom. I know the class lacks serious condi clear and mobility was nerfed hard, but I have more experience with it, making it viable for me. Therefore the same could be said for other classes, I’ve seen godly eles etc.

Jack Skywalker.5674:

Is sword 4 immob into sword 5 the only way to secure a hit with sword 5?

Not necessarily. But it is a hard skill to land with everyone moving so fast in random directions.

Ilias.8647:

What Cryptic says above must be correct since I ’ve witnessed, when I managed to land a hit and successfuly pull my target, that using staff #5 resulted in my target getting a full hit from the skill (still I believe that its unfair that you must have to zero-in your camera to achieve that, which is hard otherwise).

@akaCryptic :

My issue with sword #5 successful usage is how to achieve a hit in a somewhat reliable way. Do you always set it up with immobilizing your target with sword #4? Do you find it rather reliable?

For example, PT+Sw#5 is great in theory but its rarely successful since the target will more likely move slightly at least, which results the skill to miss. Thats why I find Sw#5 an unreliable “target isolator” in the first place. Do I do it wrong?

No, it’s not all that good, thats why 90% of revenants use shield over sword. Sword 5 is only really good for interrupting long cast skills like life transfer, meteor shower or mass invis. Or setting up the burst i mentioned above, which is quite tricky with all the evades, stability and blocks going around. But if you are fighting a necro for instance either:

a) they dodge sword 4 but you hit sword 5, proceed with combo
b) they dont dodge sword 4, immobed so can’t dodge anymore, proceed with combo
c) they blow up cooldowns to escape, but your cc is on a lower cooldown so you have the upper hand.

I prefer sword over shield due to:

1) Shield roots you as opposed to mobile sword, which saves your kitten a lot as you can then line of sight (see 2nd clip at the intro).
2) Shield has high cooldowns and energy cost. I’d much rather spend that energy for shiro’s stunbreak or 1-2 pulse of glint’s protection. And because of the cooldown, sword actually has a higher block uptime.
3) No matter the weapon or legend you are on, you will have a cc available to interrupt, especially crucial when enemy is rezzing. Immob helps set up burst, good for teamplay (see last clip when we immob + stun druid).
3) I do not own The Flameseeker Prophecies or Ghastly Shield

Edit: formatting

Euthymias.7984:

Dont see Sword+Sword all that often, so it was pretty neat.
If I might ask, what do you find yourself using SwOH 5 for most of the time? Ive seen it used for sPvP to separate targets from their allies or off of a point in small skirmishes, but with WvW’s larger areas, it seems of limited use.

The recent buffs (chill and fury) didnt actually change much. As you said, its useful yo pick of necros etc away from their druid/ele. Also, sword OH means you will have at least 2CCs at your disposal on any legend or weapon.

But the main reason I find sword 5 useful, and I dont think anyone know this, is that it guarantees a full hit of staff 5. Because of the way the skill is coded, when you port back and pull the enemy, you are facing him perfectly. So when you use them in succession without changing camera angle, the foe wont be knocked to the sides but instead eat the full thing. The deadliest combo is sword 4 (immob) sword 5 sword 2 staff 5. Bonus points for equilibrium trait, hydromancy, shiro heal, leech sigil. Happens really fast too so many will fail to stunbreak, easy +20K dmg with invocation.

Another use is to get some space and recoup. When I was dueling faenor (fresh air ele) the day before i didnt have retribution. When he used overload i just ported back and waited instead of spending more energy on a stunbreak. It can also be ised to counter rev sword 3 as of you get out of range during initial cast but you have to time it perfectly.

In pvp it can get you another tick for decap when you are +1 ing a person and your teammate is in the node. They may waste a cooldown if you also immob out of node.

Hello again mistwalkers,

Finally found some time to make another roaming montage. Props to roamers of Piken and Jade Sea, had a lot of fun fights compared to other matchups. Any feedback, gameplay or editing wise is welcome and hope you enjoy!

It may be a breath of fresh air. Last time I checked people had some different builds compared to conquest and they worked out fine. Personally I didnt play much cause of queue time and I didnt know proper tactics.