Guild Wars 2

asura experiments with mutations by combining 2 species DNA

where normal breeding wont work. science will make it work >=D

muahahahah

Azure The Heartless.3261:

Release Notes:

• This thread has been upgraded from gold to platinum.
• Thieves are still OP

Release Notes:

• This thread’s OP has been reclassified from a Troll to a Ettin. His intelligence has been reduced to match this.
• Thieves are still balanced.

Yaki.9563:

arenta.2953:

Sicarius.4639:

arenta.2953:

uh no

the box price was the game when first launched.

So HoT compared to base GW2 is very lacking then? Given the price point in particular.

no, GW2’s box price was quoted as “beign worth 2-3x times the price”

that doesn’t mean the expansion will.

HoT is easily worth $60.

plus, how often do you go back through the lv 1-70 content?

HoT has a harder job of making it all lv 80.

What does HoT add that’s even worth $10? Seriously. And remember to count the nerfed dungeon rewards and fractals that came with it, for negative value.

whats worth $10

lets see

1. elite professions
2. 4 GIANT areas with amazing meta quests that put silverwaste to shame.
3. gliding
4. a story better than in base game
5. masteries
6. a 9th class that is insanely fun with amazing visuals

the elite professions alone are worth $10
but add in the 4 areas, gliding, and story. and i’ve paid more for less in SWTOR, WoW, Archeage, and so on.

so your argument is theif is OP cause it will always be OP no matter what is nerfed

and that devs agree its OP so it needs a nerf?

then tell me. why is theif still OP if devs agree its OP?

why have devs not nerfed it out of OP?

your argument fails entirely because your view is anything with stealth is automatically OP no matter what u nerf on it.

and you ignore all the buffs thief has recieved.
as well as engineer and mesmer’s stealth

your buthurt. get over it.

also. steal doesn’t stun. it DAZES.
MAJOR difference there.

keep crying.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Who’s crying? It is universally believed (expect you) that Thief is OP ever since from the beginning that’s why it received nerfed after nerfed. The only good thing that ever happen to Thief is Daredevil, which further proved its OPness, that’s why in the next major patch, DD will inevitably receive a bunch nerf.

your crying, hence you making this thread to vent your sadness

no its not universally, its actually a very small portion of the community. but most people don’t feel like goign into a troll thread like this.
unlike most people, i like poking the trolls to make them act more and more pathetic defending their weak beliefs.

in fact, go look at this theif subforum. for every 1 “thief OP” cry threa. theres 3-4 “theif is weak” threads.

so more of the community views theif as in need of a buff.

wanna take a bet on the next patch? if theif was as OP as you claim. it would have been fixed in the first 3 months of the game. not “let stay OP over 3 YEARS”

if you’ll notice. no real nerfs have happened to heartseeker or backstab or stealth in the past 2 years. the first 1 year all classes got drastically reworked over and over.

but the past 2 years, they’ve all settled into a state of balance. (with the exception of minions like necro and ranger. but that was a hard problem which is fixed now with the direct/indirect dmg)

also, you need to go play Reaper. GS skill 2. does more than backstab.
and if you hit something under 50% hp. you have NO COOLDOWN. (also u hit 3 opponents instead of 1)

aka, you can spam backstab FROM THE FRONT. with NO COOLDOWN.

and if the enemy runs. you have GS 5 or shroud 2. to either lunge or pull them back.

in addition. GS 2 causes vulnerbility. buffign your dmg EVEN MORE.

your shouts can grant you 10 might, chill enemies,

you break stun every 6 secounds.

thief can break stun, if its fully set up for stun break. every 15 at best. a normal theif will have 1 stun break every 30-45 secounds.

aka, each has its strength
thief is good at healing and curing conditions and hit and run

necro is good at tanking hits, causing conditions, alpha, and breakign stun.

Louveepine.7630:

Anyway, and that’s science, the devs said that is not possible, there are too many different genomes between races to give birth for an half-blood like norn-sura, or Hooman-charr, or whatever.

This is science…. This is not possible.

and I find it a bit confusing … hum… berk…

In an other case , pets’ skins Outfits (GW2 familiar / monster ) … it can be funny.

can i at least have a neko ear and tail costume set for my human o.0

Azure The Heartless.3261:

arenta.2953:

1 caltrop doesn’t remove reaper shroud. idk where u came up with that.

and theif is weaker than reaper shroud. but not weak itself.

its balanced.

you can delude yourself if u want. but every nerf has a buff with it.

the only reason your saying thief is OP is cause it can stealth. guess what, so can mesmer, and engineer, and ranger.

remove stealth from the class, and then its extremely weak. with dmg less than necro (necro’s d/d and reaper’s GS out dpm theif d/d)

keep crying though. people like u have cried since game launched. and theif is still here. balanced.

Nah. Stealth is so op it makes everything else invalid

If not, why did engie get a trait so even auto attacks would reveal them?

they’re obv god mode class.

keep trollin

if its so OP
why did engi get more stealth.

why were more blast stealth fields added.

your own logic just kicked u in the kitten .

Sicarius.4639:

arenta.2953:

uh no

the box price was the game when first launched.

So HoT compared to base GW2 is very lacking then? Given the price point in particular.

no, GW2’s box price was quoted as “beign worth 2-3x times the price”

that doesn’t mean the expansion will.

HoT is easily worth $60.

plus, how often do you go back through the lv 1-70 content?

HoT has a harder job of making it all lv 80.

Lamuness.3570:

You guys are forgetting how freakin’ OP Thief is. Literally, Thief can kill you with one arm tied behind his back. 5 skills? I only need 2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RF9fKnmhYiY

august 14th 2014

talk about over a year ago.

plus, there is a reason no one goes around with 1 sword and no offhand. cause it doesn’t work like that. go ahead

go try

november 10th. 2015. lets see you post a video today of you doing this.

come on.

sword mainhand. no offhand

1 caltrop doesn’t remove reaper shroud. idk where u came up with that.

and theif is weaker than reaper shroud. but not weak itself.

its balanced.

you can delude yourself if u want. but every nerf has a buff with it.

the only reason your saying thief is OP is cause it can stealth. guess what, so can mesmer, and engineer, and ranger.

remove stealth from the class, and then its extremely weak. with dmg less than necro (necro’s d/d and reaper’s GS out dpm theif d/d)

keep crying though. people like u have cried since game launched. and theif is still here. balanced.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

arenta.2953:

keeping in mind theif has gotten just as many buffs as its gotten nerfs.

its not OP. its balanced, but they rebalance it (aka buff part, nerf another part) to fit with the meta.

for example, they recently buffed p/p 3 skill
they fixed 3 bugs for Dagger main skills where backstab was missing when moving. and pathing issues for heartseeker so it lunges like it should.

Anet aren’t nerfing theives. they rebalancing.

Tell me then, what buff did the Thief receive in exchange for adding Revealed which nerfed the whole Shadow Arts trait line?

+200 power during reveal

also shadow arts? nerfed?

Merciful Ambush Stealth yourself and your target when reviving an ally. You revive allies faster.
Shadow’s Embrace Remove conditions periodically while in stealth.
Meld with Shadows Stealth skills last longer.
Hidden Thief Stealing grants you stealth.
Resilience of Shadows Stealth effects that you apply reduce incoming attack damage.
Shadow’s Rejuvenation Regenerate health and initiative while in stealth.

the addition of the reveal “nerf” was compensated by giving us a trait that gives us +200 power while under reveal’s effect.
and buffs to “while under stealth” ’s duration, and giving us int while stealthed.

this is still my FAVORITE trait line because it heals me.

keep in mind thief is WEAK to stuns.

compare thief to necro. necro’s shroud lets it break stun EVERY 6 SECOUNDS. and heal while shrouded, cure conditions while shrouded, move 33% faster while shrouded. attack 15% faster while shrouded

reaper is literally god mode.

theif is weaker. but compensates by being stealthed (coupled with theif having 10-20k less hp. and usually less armor as well)

keeping in mind theif has gotten just as many buffs as its gotten nerfs.

its not OP. its balanced, but they rebalance it (aka buff part, nerf another part) to fit with the meta.

for example, they recently buffed p/p 3 skill
they fixed 3 bugs for Dagger main skills where backstab was missing when moving. and pathing issues for heartseeker so it lunges like it should.

Anet aren’t nerfing theives. they rebalancing.

Kulvar.1239:

NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER
NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER
NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER
NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER
NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER

It’s stated as impossible.
It would be horrible looking.
It would be horrible to make.
It would open an atrocious hideous ignominious unnatural oportunity for mongrels Charr-Asura-Sylvari-Hylek-Centaur-Ettin frankenstein monsters to exists.

NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER
NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER
NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER
NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER
NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER

…..asura +Ettin………..
hm…..

(imagines an evil mastermind asura with 2 super smart brains instead of one)

……perfect evil villan.

but i jsut want a human or asura with animal tail and ears

and thankfully. i an asura!

KREWE! GET THE CLONING MACHINE AND SOME DNA READERS.

i’ll go kidnap a human and a charr. and then we’ll make some furries!

MY GENIUS WILL BE RECOGNIZED BY ALL.

hm…neko or borderline…

Sicarius.4639:

arenta.2953:

Yaki.9563:

arenta.2953:

i smell a kitten person who is also spoiled after the 3 years of FREE CONTENT UPDATES.

how much would ANY OTHER GAME have charged u for all those FREE content updates?

like $300?

and now the first paid expansion comes and u CRY?!

spoiled, buthurt. should i add more to that?

What free content upgrades? If you log into the game now, it’s literally exactly the same as it was at release in terms of content. Actually I guess it’s less because dungeons and fractals are now pointless.

And clearly it hasn’t been free. They are making money off of selling gems. Enough to make it as good or better than a subscription would have been.

Not to mention, what does previous free content have to do with the expansion? The expansion is terrible. It takes away and adds nothing. Perhaps you see the expansion as some sort of bill they are sending you for the last 3 years you played?

oh?
so halloween, winter’s day
dry top
silverwastes
the new stronghold mode
the guild halls

the new WvW maps
the changes to lion’s arch
the changes to world bosses

the ENTIRTY of Living world season 1.
and living world season 2(if u were on when it was going on. it was free)

the land with the karka
the new path in Twilight arbor

fractals(all fractals. NONE WERE IN GAME AT LAUNCH)

the adventurebox

SO MUCH NEW STUFF. SO MUCH CHANGED STUFF. AND ON TOP OF THAT THEY BALANCING CLASSES SO OFTEN.

so the same as launch? HA

Well I’d say that’s what you get with the box price, great value.

Now should I expect the same level of addition with the expansion or just Living Story?

If it’s the latter, it pales in comparison doesn’t…. it?

(Had to add dots due to the fact it thinks I want to put slang for breast, seriously?!)

uh no

the box price was the game when first launched. which lets face it, was worth WAY MORE than $60. the ammount of content it came with was easily 2-3x that.

as for this expansion, if you don’t want to pay, you still getting stronghold pvp, guild halls, new WvW maps.

so you are still getting free content.

and the living world season 3 (when it comes. which it is) will be free like always

the thing people need to realize is if you buy HoT. then good for you. if you don’t, you still getting more free content that a company like Blizzard would charge you $60 for.

heck, each living world season would have been a WoW expansion for $60.

and Anet balances classes extremely often. compare this to games like WoT whose had OP tanks like the IS-3 for THREE YEARS. or WoW who balances classes 1/3 as often as GW2

even SWTOR doesn’t give as much free content, or balances.

so if u don’t want to buy HoT. be happy you still gettign free content like stronghold, new WvW map(and Anet did say they NO WHERE near done with WvW.)

heck, think of GW1. GW2 is REALLY giving u alot more. specially since GW2 base game is now f2p

human/char
human with char tail and ears?

plz =D

(furry fan for life)

will do. but since i at work atm i was wondering if anyone knew of a seer legging’s like chest piece.

(ty for the info on bank wardrobe icon. didn’t know about that. )

so i’m trying to find a medium armor outfit i like.

but i keep remembering my necro..in light armor

my necro used seer armor pants.
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/1/16/Seer_armor_asura_female_back.jpg/167px-Seer_armor_asura_female_back.jpg
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/b/b9/Seer_armor_asura_female_front.jpg/168px-Seer_armor_asura_female_front.jpg

but medium seems to have the leggings mostly hidden by the chest piece’s design (like longcoat and such)

and the thing i don’t like is this
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/f/fa/Rascal_armor_asura_female_back.jpg/164px-Rascal_armor_asura_female_back.jpg

aka, flat back. where i can’t see through my character’s legs (ok that sounded wrong…but compare the rear view of seer pants to the medium rear view)
like how seer pants i can see my character’s leg from behind. instead of a flat piece of cloth

i found this one
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/b/b3/Auxiliary_Powered_armor_asura_female_back.jpg/172px-Auxiliary_Powered_armor_asura_female_back.jpg

which works..but i’m wondering if there are any other medium armors that meet what i’m looking for

…..sorry if this made no sense. i’m struggling to describe what i’m looking for (its harder cause i’m looking for a chest piece that affects the appearence of the leg area…which isn’t something i’m used to)

or at least let the pistol pierce

Aikizaru.4302:

I find it sad that people still want to nerf thief more, even after the past 3 years it has suffered. lol

funny part is theres this 1 troll nerf thief thread.

and then all other threads on theif front page are discussing how theif needs help in sPvP, p/p, how staff skills aren’t working and so on.

PopeUrban.2578:

Prediction:

Gunslinger will be an elite spec with rifle. They’ll put buffed ricochet in it. It’ll be a GM trait in the same tier as a capstone rifle trait so you have to choose between them. The other gunslinger traits will have a common theme of pistol/rifle/utility choices. People will be mad about it for a week just like feline grace/daredevil. Then everyone will forget about it after a few months.

that would be both nice….and a kick in the nuts…

i like pistol/pistol. but i also want rifle…

Anet forces me to make hard choices xD

Sir Vincent III.1286:

arenta.2953:

Eisenwald.8562:

Kageseigi.2150:

arenta.2953:

if you mean in sPvP. then any backstab hit would never go above 6k. unless u missing pieces of your armor.

I beg to disagree. In one match, my Thief “one-shotted” another Thief with a 17.888k Backstab. She also downed a Warrior with a 13.347k Backstab at the end of the match. Both were fully armored…

EDIT: It happened on September 1st, 2015.

You got my attention with that nearly 18k backstab…what the kitten kind of build is that you’re running? Did the enemy have max stacks of vuln and did you have max might stacks or something? I just don’t even see how this is possible but you’ve got screenshots to prove it.

was the person wearing all their armor pieces?

Which part of “Both were fully armored” didn’t you understand?

Seriously, deny it all you want. The screenshot proves that Thief is OP…and that’s not even Staff #5.

were they wearing all their armor pieces?

the screenshots you provided just show dmg values. which doesn’t show if they have all their armor

if they missing half their armor, then i can see that dmg.

but with only your word. i don’t believe you.

get a video. or i’ll just assume your friend is playing in half or no armor so u can get screenshots.

hell i could do that and say any class is OP with insane dmg values. and using your logic. i’d claim “they were all in armor”

heck i could claim they were in bunker builds…
and it would be BS. just like your claim.

hell i could photoshop pictures to show whatever dmg i want.

get a video. or you have no proof.

Eisenwald.8562:

Kageseigi.2150:

arenta.2953:

if you mean in sPvP. then any backstab hit would never go above 6k. unless u missing pieces of your armor.

I beg to disagree. In one match, my Thief “one-shotted” another Thief with a 17.888k Backstab. She also downed a Warrior with a 13.347k Backstab at the end of the match. Both were fully armored…

EDIT: It happened on September 1st, 2015.

You got my attention with that nearly 18k backstab…what the kitten kind of build is that you’re running? Did the enemy have max stacks of vuln and did you have max might stacks or something? I just don’t even see how this is possible but you’ve got screenshots to prove it.

was the person wearing all their armor pieces?

screenshots tell so very little……

i have a screenshot of my warrior doing 60k crit…….to a naked lv 30 upleveled wvw person

and 227k crit dmg…..to a mosquito(aka those 0 defense things like bunnies)…….

AegisRunestone.8672:

Hey, guys, I would really appreciate some positive feedback on my story. I feel like I’m talking to myself in this thread. What did I do right? What can I improve upon?

Thank you.

i like it so far =D
even got friends reading it =)

sorrychief.2563:

you heard it here folks. 3k crits op.

how can any class compete with that?

kekekeke =D

(Reaper GS 2 skill. so much fun. so high alpha and spammable with no cooldown for as long as it takes to kill target. more alpha than heartseeker at its max)

Sir Vincent III.1286:

arenta.2953:

in addition to my above post

if theif was OP….why are other classes used as well in the league?

if theif was as OP as you claim. why doesn’t EVERYONE use it?

There is such thing as play style and player choice — and not EVERYONE can play Thief nor EVERYONE wants to play a profession just because it’s OP.

There are many players who choose to play inferior professions so that they can go to the forums and complain about the Thief’s OPness — which is true.

theif is strong at its given role yes. but its extremely squishy and punishing of mistakes.

Have you ever seen a Thief pet? A Druid can literally put a leash on a Thief and heal them while the Thief wreck havoc by spamming AoE damage using Vault and Bound like a rabid wombat.

its stealth and evasion are all the defense it has.

Um, there’s also swiftness and shadowstep to get out of range and reset. You can’t really kill something you can’t deal damage to.

and it lacks effective AoE skills. or any skills at all to make it able to conduct long duration fights.

lol, seriously? You have not played Thief — this is the proof. I’ve been AoE killing using Vault and Bound. Where have you been?

boss fights, meta events, zergs, or even group combat.
all of these a theif is horrible for.

Speak for yourself. If you’ve seen 10 DD Vaulting and Bounding in a zerg fight, you wouldn’t have that misinformed opinion.

it even lacks a true long range weapon. beign stuck at 900 range.

What is “true” long range weapon? 1200 range? If that is so then Ranger doesn’t have a true long range weapon because they can hit with a Longbow from 1500 range.

what a thief is good at, is 1 on 1, hit and run, and sneaking past mobs in dungeons.

That’s so pre-HoT mentality. Get in with the time man.

all classes have situations they are best at. these are the theives

You are utterly misinformed.

if u try to fight a theif in 1 on 1 and you aren’t a bunker, or AoE build. or bringing one of the skills i posted above.

then you deserve to die. as your literally playing to the theives strength.

Even if you are a bunker, Thief will rip you apart because Thief is OP. They can apply so much pressure because they can hit for 15k-21k within a 3s span. And Thieves even have unblockable skills so blocking will not stop them either.

what is the theif best at killing. berserker set glass cannon players who place no value in defense, durability, or survivability.

You’re so wrong and so outdated.

a theif with druid pet is a teamwork combo. so thats different

vault and bound ….wheres the stealth?

and suuuure…i’m sure u see so many vaulting and bounding DDs…..

long range is 1200.

you seem to be complaining about daredevil. not theif.

if your complaint is to theif. say so.
but if it involves daredevil skills. say daredevil as theres a difference. the daredevil trait line doesn’t involve stealth.

so which are u complaining about.

also. keep crying. 3 years theif has been here. its fair. u just need to learn to play.

anyway. seeing as how you’ve resorted to insults. this thread is essentially dead.

added to that the 3 years that theif has been part of the game and not killed off other classes(proving its fair since u see classes other than theif in LEague play)

so…since its dead. i’m signing out. cya~ wouldn’t want to be ya…

i’ll leave this with you though
http://i.imgur.com/67R34zb.gif

Azure The Heartless.3261:

arenta.2953:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

arenta.2953:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

arenta.2953:

Azure The Heartless.3261:

Mefiq.7039:

Thief is op, it hits 3k/3k/3k autoattack chain with insane dmg + evade on 3rd skill, kittenton of blocks and sustain, HE CAN EVEN EQUIP STAFF and knock/block/heal!
Thats how op thief is! aaa not, i was talking about Revs!!~!$@!$!

Ye this

they need to be nerfed immediately so they have to actually try to get wins.

When they stealth, I can’t tell if they’re going to attack me or run away, and there are absolutely no options for counterplay.

I refuse to autoattack to fish for them, I am not a barbarian.

all they do is get low, port away, reset fight ad nauseum

Nerf staff too I hate when thieves can give up stealth for 6k crits

easy way to counter them
since u apparently have never played one

use AoEs

Thieves will either go in stealth or dodge inside your AoE. For each evade, it triggers their “on evade” traits. Thieves have done this inside SR while getting AoE’d.

Not a good solution. Apparently, you have not played a Thief.

this ranged from necro staff marks and wells

Again, “on evade” remember?

to warrior GS

Only bad Warriors uses GS and you shouldn’t encourage others to be bad Warriors.

or even normal sword 1.

Again, “on evade” traits. Not a good idea.

if u see the weapon’s auto attack chain going. then u hitting.

Not if they’re dodging.

or use ranger’s pet “sic em”

Not if they’re dodging.

or reveneant’s stealth reveal

Ugh, not if they’re dodging.

or engineers stealth reveal.

Not. If.They.Are.Dodging.

those 3 are all hard counters to thief.

That’s just an illusion. There is no “hard counter” to Thieves. If you Revealed them, they will dodge and evade, then go back in stealth.

but we can’t give all classes stealth counters, as otherwise stealth is useless

Stealth is not useless. If the Thief can force a Ranger to bring a dead skill Sic ’Em, the Thief have already won.

so yes, there are counterplays

There’s no such thing. There is no way to beat a Thief. They have so much utility, evade, block, and invulnerability that there is nothing you can do to beat them.

and traps work well against them

You cannot trap a Thief, they will shadowstep out of it or dodge around in it to trigger “on evade” traits.

and yes. u need to be a barbarian. CAUSE IT WORKS.

No it doesn’t. Barbaric approach never work. You need to be a 5-start General who’s really good at forming strategies and tactical maneuvers.

thief has lowest hp pool in game(with ele)

That’s nothing compare to their effective health — keyword “effective”.

and 2nd lowest armor

Their armor is part of the illusion because when they go in stealth, they receive 25% damage reduction plus the pulsing heal which greatly increase their effective health while in stealth. This is one of the reasons why your “solutions” will never work.

Everyone agree that Thief is OP and I just laid out some of the reasons why.

EDIT: typos

lol they don’t have unlimited dodge

also. dodge doesnt work vs all skills

example, Ranger’s skill “Sic Em” removes all stealth WITHIN 2K
dodge don’t evade it.

and Rev’s “gaze of darkness” pulls all stealthed enemies out of stealth, and blinds them.

again, dodge wont evade it.

also
Guardian’s Light’s jugement trap

this can be dodged yes. but it LASTS 8 SECOUNDS. aka as soon as your dodge ends YOU LOSE STEALTH unless u can jump OUT of the trap’s range before the evade ends.
with a attack radius longer than the trap radius. this means evade wotn work well.

for engineer
analyze.
and detection pulse.

both cant be dodged

there is also the engineer trait LOCK ON.
combine this with a AoE like grenades, or flamethrower. and NO EVADE will be able to outlast this. this will basically cancel stealth perminently unless the theif can get out of range of the engineer.

and guess what. by your logic. evade can counter anything. but u don’t have unlimited evades. they have cooldowns. and a period between evades.

so try again.

You do realize that dodging happens during the Revealed right? It’s not dodging the skill that Reveals the Thief, rather dodging every other skill after getting Revealed.

Even though you have the skill to Revealed them, they will simply dodge around until they can stealth again — and they can stealth more than you can reveal that’s why those reveal skills are useless and not a hard counter.

Do you understand now why Thief needs to be nerfed?

It seems to me that you have not played a Thief.

2 theifs lv 80
1 necro lv 80
3 rangers lv 80
1 rev lv 76
2 engi lv 56 and 80
1 mesmer lv 80
and 1 warrior lv 80

also you jsut bullkittented.
“they can stealth more than you can reveal that’s why those reveal skills are useless and not a hard counter.”

engineer skill lock on. no cooldown AT ALL. just hit the theif.
theif can evade yes. but guess what. it can’t evade 24/7. specially against spammed grenades or flamethrower. which will immediatly hit after the evade ends, blast the stealth to oblivion. and reveal the theif.

the theif will not be able to restealth as the lock on will continue(coupled with the AoE engi skill) to remove stealth

theres also the ranger skill sic em. couple this with the longbow’s 2 skill and after the theif restealths after sic em ends. the longbow will continue to hit the theif. even when stealthed.

also. sic em lasts 10 secounds, applying a 6 SECOUND reveal. if the theif stays in the 2k range. thats 16 secounds of FORCED REVEAL.

necro wells and marks can be used to track a stealthed theif with their spammability

and all AoE pulls (of which warrior, rev, and guardian have) can and will pull it. they can dodge it sure. but thats 1 less dodge when stealth ends

mesmer can summon clones and stealth itself. a theif will have to go through hell to kill it, most likely dying itself due to clone explosions and torment.

and ele can track theif easily by paying attention to the dmg panel to see which of its AoE attacks is hitting for dmg.

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heres a list of stuff to fight a theif with

revenant, hammer, swords, staff.

guardian. GS and that epic staff 1 with tis HUGE arc attack recking stealth.

warrior. Hammer(dem knockdowns), GS, shield(ruin back stab), and STOMP kitten

ranger. sic em, long bow, GS

engineer. lock on. reveal pulse. analyse. flamethrower. grenades.

necro. staff, wells, marks, shroud 4 and 5. GS.

mesmer….ANYTHING

ele. any AoE and evasion. knockdowns 2.

A thief stealthed and backstabbed me for 20k

Faceroll class, should be deleted from game

no counterplay to stealth

No other class lets you 22222222222 to win

My main is a mesmer

was your mesmer “upleveled” aka a lv 20 upleveled to 80 for WvW.

if so, you take more dmg. warrior rifle “kill shot” is famous for its 1 shots…on upleveled players

are you wearing broken armor? or full berserker?

are you not using mesmer stealth or clones?

in all the time i’ve played theif, i’ve never seen backstab do more than 10k. and that 10k was against a player who was under lv 50 who had been upleveled to 80 for WvW….and was still in lv 40 gear.

the normal backstab dmg (keeping in mind a 200% crit dmg and the base backstab dmg) is usually 4-6k to light armor 4-5k for medium armor. and 3-5k for heavy armor.

and thats if u hit their back

if u hit their front. that dmg is cut down to 2k.

stealth, isn’t the thing your complaining about
what you seem to be complaining about. is the 100% crit chance while stealthed.

is it unfair? up to you. i no longer use it cause i prefer crits to heal me a bit. (so i have 40% crit chance…even stealthed)

if you mean in sPvP. then any backstab hit would never go above 6k. unless u missing pieces of your armor.

heart seeker is annoying yes. but its spammable.
aka use blind.
or clones.
or knockdowns.

if u want heartseeker nerfed. thats a different topic.

stealth is fine. heartseeker…….different topic if they spam

also…keep in mind mesmer is a support class. not tank or front line.
theif is sorta designed to hunt glass cannons. like mesmer and ele.
and struggles vs tanks like guardian, warrior, necro.
and is on par with ranger and rev.
and then engineer is a gamble for everyone. but a gamble that was recently buffed to be a theifs WORST nightmare

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Azure The Heartless.3261:

Mefiq.7039:

Thief is op, it hits 3k/3k/3k autoattack chain with insane dmg + evade on 3rd skill, kittenton of blocks and sustain, HE CAN EVEN EQUIP STAFF and knock/block/heal!
Thats how op thief is! aaa not, i was talking about Revs!!~!$@!$!

Ye this

they need to be nerfed immediately so they have to actually try to get wins.

When they stealth, I can’t tell if they’re going to attack me or run away, and there are absolutely no options for counterplay.

I refuse to autoattack to fish for them, I am not a barbarian.

all they do is get low, port away, reset fight ad nauseum

Nerf staff too I hate when thieves can give up stealth for 6k crits

easy way to counter them
since u apparently have never played one

use AoEs

Thieves will either go in stealth or dodge inside your AoE. For each evade, it triggers their “on evade” traits. Thieves have done this inside SR while getting AoE’d.

Not a good solution. Apparently, you have not played a Thief.

this ranged from necro staff marks and wells

Again, “on evade” remember?

to warrior GS

Only bad Warriors uses GS and you shouldn’t encourage others to be bad Warriors.

or even normal sword 1.

Again, “on evade” traits. Not a good idea.

if u see the weapon’s auto attack chain going. then u hitting.

Not if they’re dodging.

or use ranger’s pet “sic em”

Not if they’re dodging.

or reveneant’s stealth reveal

Ugh, not if they’re dodging.

or engineers stealth reveal.

Not. If.They.Are.Dodging.

those 3 are all hard counters to thief.

That’s just an illusion. There is no “hard counter” to Thieves. If you Revealed them, they will dodge and evade, then go back in stealth.

but we can’t give all classes stealth counters, as otherwise stealth is useless

Stealth is not useless. If the Thief can force a Ranger to bring a dead skill Sic ’Em, the Thief have already won.

so yes, there are counterplays

There’s no such thing. There is no way to beat a Thief. They have so much utility, evade, block, and invulnerability that there is nothing you can do to beat them.

and traps work well against them

You cannot trap a Thief, they will shadowstep out of it or dodge around in it to trigger “on evade” traits.

and yes. u need to be a barbarian. CAUSE IT WORKS.

No it doesn’t. Barbaric approach never work. You need to be a 5-start General who’s really good at forming strategies and tactical maneuvers.

thief has lowest hp pool in game(with ele)

That’s nothing compare to their effective health — keyword “effective”.

and 2nd lowest armor

Their armor is part of the illusion because when they go in stealth, they receive 25% damage reduction plus the pulsing heal which greatly increase their effective health while in stealth. This is one of the reasons why your “solutions” will never work.

Everyone agree that Thief is OP and I just laid out some of the reasons why.

EDIT: typos

lol they don’t have unlimited dodge

also. dodge doesnt work vs all skills

example, Ranger’s skill “Sic Em” removes all stealth WITHIN 2K
dodge don’t evade it.

and Rev’s “gaze of darkness” pulls all stealthed enemies out of stealth, and blinds them.

again, dodge wont evade it.

also
Guardian’s Light’s jugement trap

this can be dodged yes. but it LASTS 8 SECOUNDS. aka as soon as your dodge ends YOU LOSE STEALTH unless u can jump OUT of the trap’s range before the evade ends.
with a attack radius longer than the trap radius. this means evade wotn work well.

for engineer
analyze.
and detection pulse.

both cant be dodged

there is also the engineer trait LOCK ON.
combine this with a AoE like grenades, or flamethrower. and NO EVADE will be able to outlast this. this will basically cancel stealth perminently unless the theif can get out of range of the engineer.

and guess what. by your logic. evade can counter anything. but u don’t have unlimited evades. they have cooldowns. and a period between evades.

so try again.

You do realize that dodging happens during the Revealed right? It’s not dodging the skill that Reveals the Thief, rather dodging every other skill after getting Revealed.

Even though you have the skill to Revealed them, they will simply dodge around until they can stealth again — and they can stealth more than you can reveal that’s why those reveal skills are useless and not a hard counter.

Do you understand now why Thief needs to be nerfed?

It seems to me that you have not played a Thief.

2 theifs lv 80
1 necro lv 80
3 rangers lv 80
1 rev lv 76
2 engi lv 56 and 80
1 mesmer lv 80
and 1 warrior lv 80

also you jsut bullkittented.
“they can stealth more than you can reveal that’s why those reveal skills are useless and not a hard counter.”

engineer skill lock on. no cooldown AT ALL. just hit the theif.
theif can evade yes. but guess what. it can’t evade 24/7. specially against spammed grenades or flamethrower. which will immediatly hit after the evade ends, blast the stealth to oblivion. and reveal the theif.

the theif will not be able to restealth as the lock on will continue(coupled with the AoE engi skill) to remove stealth

theres also the ranger skill sic em. couple this with the longbow’s 2 skill and after the theif restealths after sic em ends. the longbow will continue to hit the theif. even when stealthed.

also. sic em lasts 10 secounds, applying a 6 SECOUND reveal. if the theif stays in the 2k range. thats 16 secounds of FORCED REVEAL.

necro wells and marks can be used to track a stealthed theif with their spammability

and all AoE pulls (of which warrior, rev, and guardian have) can and will pull it. they can dodge it sure. but thats 1 less dodge when stealth ends

mesmer can summon clones and stealth itself. a theif will have to go through hell to kill it, most likely dying itself due to clone explosions and torment.

and ele can track theif easily by paying attention to the dmg panel to see which of its AoE attacks is hitting for dmg.

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heres a list of stuff to fight a theif with

revenant, hammer, swords, staff.

guardian. GS and that epic staff 1 with tis HUGE arc attack recking stealth.

warrior. Hammer(dem knockdowns), GS, shield(ruin back stab), and STOMP kitten

ranger. sic em, long bow, GS

engineer. lock on. reveal pulse. analyse. flamethrower. grenades.

necro. staff, wells, marks, shroud 4 and 5. GS.

mesmer….ANYTHING

ele. any AoE and evasion. knockdowns 2.

in addition to my above post

if theif was OP….why are other classes used as well in the league?

if theif was as OP as you claim. why doesn’t EVERYONE use it?

theif is strong at its given role yes. but its extremely squishy and punishing of mistakes.
its stealth and evasion are all the defense it has.

and it lacks effective AoE skills. or any skills at all to make it able to conduct long duration fights.

boss fights, meta events, zergs, or even group combat.
all of these a theif is horrible for.
it even lacks a true long range weapon. beign stuck at 900 range.

what a thief is good at, is 1 on 1, hit and run, and sneaking past mobs in dungeons.

all classes have situations they are best at. these are the theives

if u try to fight a theif in 1 on 1 and you aren’t a bunker, or AoE build. or bringing one of the skills i posted above.

then you deserve to die. as your literally playing to the theives strength.

what is the theif best at killing. berserker set glass cannon players who place no value in defense, durability, or survivability.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

arenta.2953:

Azure The Heartless.3261:

Mefiq.7039:

Thief is op, it hits 3k/3k/3k autoattack chain with insane dmg + evade on 3rd skill, kittenton of blocks and sustain, HE CAN EVEN EQUIP STAFF and knock/block/heal!
Thats how op thief is! aaa not, i was talking about Revs!!~!$@!$!

Ye this

they need to be nerfed immediately so they have to actually try to get wins.

When they stealth, I can’t tell if they’re going to attack me or run away, and there are absolutely no options for counterplay.

I refuse to autoattack to fish for them, I am not a barbarian.

all they do is get low, port away, reset fight ad nauseum

Nerf staff too I hate when thieves can give up stealth for 6k crits

easy way to counter them
since u apparently have never played one

use AoEs

Thieves will either go in stealth or dodge inside your AoE. For each evade, it triggers their “on evade” traits. Thieves have done this inside SR while getting AoE’d.

Not a good solution. Apparently, you have not played a Thief.

this ranged from necro staff marks and wells

Again, “on evade” remember?

to warrior GS

Only bad Warriors uses GS and you shouldn’t encourage others to be bad Warriors.

or even normal sword 1.

Again, “on evade” traits. Not a good idea.

if u see the weapon’s auto attack chain going. then u hitting.

Not if they’re dodging.

or use ranger’s pet “sic em”

Not if they’re dodging.

or reveneant’s stealth reveal

Ugh, not if they’re dodging.

or engineers stealth reveal.

Not. If.They.Are.Dodging.

those 3 are all hard counters to thief.

That’s just an illusion. There is no “hard counter” to Thieves. If you Revealed them, they will dodge and evade, then go back in stealth.

but we can’t give all classes stealth counters, as otherwise stealth is useless

Stealth is not useless. If the Thief can force a Ranger to bring a dead skill Sic ’Em, the Thief have already won.

so yes, there are counterplays

There’s no such thing. There is no way to beat a Thief. They have so much utility, evade, block, and invulnerability that there is nothing you can do to beat them.

and traps work well against them

You cannot trap a Thief, they will shadowstep out of it or dodge around in it to trigger “on evade” traits.

and yes. u need to be a barbarian. CAUSE IT WORKS.

No it doesn’t. Barbaric approach never work. You need to be a 5-start General who’s really good at forming strategies and tactical maneuvers.

thief has lowest hp pool in game(with ele)

That’s nothing compare to their effective health — keyword “effective”.

and 2nd lowest armor

Their armor is part of the illusion because when they go in stealth, they receive 25% damage reduction plus the pulsing heal which greatly increase their effective health while in stealth. This is one of the reasons why your “solutions” will never work.

Everyone agree that Thief is OP and I just laid out some of the reasons why.

EDIT: typos

lol they don’t have unlimited dodge

also. dodge doesnt work vs all skills

example, Ranger’s skill “Sic Em” removes all stealth WITHIN 2K
dodge don’t evade it.

and Rev’s “gaze of darkness” pulls all stealthed enemies out of stealth, and blinds them.

again, dodge wont evade it.

also
Guardian’s Light’s jugement trap

this can be dodged yes. but it LASTS 8 SECOUNDS. aka as soon as your dodge ends YOU LOSE STEALTH unless u can jump OUT of the trap’s range before the evade ends.
with a attack radius longer than the trap radius. this means evade wotn work well.

for engineer
analyze.
and detection pulse.

both cant be dodged

there is also the engineer trait LOCK ON.
combine this with a AoE like grenades, or flamethrower. and NO EVADE will be able to outlast this. this will basically cancel stealth perminently unless the theif can get out of range of the engineer.

and guess what. by your logic. evade can counter anything. but u don’t have unlimited evades. they have cooldowns. and a period between evades.

so try again.

i’ve given you 5 skills
and 1 trait

that are epic at stopping stealth

in addition. all mass AoEs
like the spammable necro staff, large number of AoE long duration Ele skills, wide arc weapons of the ranger, necro, guardian.
will dmg theives even while they stealthed.

Azure The Heartless.3261:

Mefiq.7039:

Thief is op, it hits 3k/3k/3k autoattack chain with insane dmg + evade on 3rd skill, kittenton of blocks and sustain, HE CAN EVEN EQUIP STAFF and knock/block/heal!
Thats how op thief is! aaa not, i was talking about Revs!!~!$@!$!

Ye this

they need to be nerfed immediately so they have to actually try to get wins.

When they stealth, I can’t tell if they’re going to attack me or run away, and there are absolutely no options for counterplay.

I refuse to autoattack to fish for them, I am not a barbarian.

all they do is get low, port away, reset fight ad nauseum

Nerf staff too I hate when thieves can give up stealth for 6k crits

easy way to counter them
since u apparently have never played one

use AoEs

this ranged from necro staff marks and wells

to warrior GS

or even normal sword 1.

if u see the weapon’s auto attack chain going. then u hitting.

or use ranger’s pet “sic em”
or reveneant’s stealth reveal
or engineers stealth reveal.

those 3 are all hard counters to thief.

but we can’t give all classes stealth counters, as otherwise stealth is useless

so yes, there are counterplays

and traps work well against them

and yes. u need to be a barbarian. CAUSE IT WORKS.

thief has lowest hp pool in game(with ele)
and 2nd lowest armor

Zero Day.2594:

I feel like this will be another dead horse beside the pile of dead horses that include capes, mounts, and build-saver.

well…..not all dead horses stay dead ^^

the gliders came VERY true.

as did the stealth hunters(ranger, rev, engineer)

and the guild halls/custom maps.

and devs have said that animation swaps for a weapon(like engi holding rifle like warrior, or human ranger longbow 2 skill firing flat like asura ranger longbow) were “possible and interesting”

heck….while i still say mounts wont be coming…..they sorta did…..just not to us. HoT has an enemy who rides a mount xD

agreed

agile class. needs to run and hold weapons agile…not strength.

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Azure The Heartless.3261:

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Azure The Heartless.3261:

Aidan.7120:

No need to read anything other then first post.
There are 2 possible options
1: you must be a total noob who just began to play, or a pve brainless carebear
2: you are a troll who tries to frame

Not agreeing with OP that Thief is op?

Must be a thief.

Stop defending it because you don’t want it to be nerfed.

i’m a necro/rev/ranger

an guess what. thief isn’t OP.

the only time thief can kill you easily is if you are in full berserker.

add soem valkyr and soldier gear to your build. and theif’s dmg to you drops off massively.

my necro can literally ignore a thief that attacks me. soldier/valkyr build for necro with full vamperic build.

my revenant has more hp and evasion. and can massacre the thief in a head to head brawl. unless thief is running condition build, it will lose.
my rev is berserker/soldier build

my ranger literally laughs as my pet makes their stealth WORTHLESS and my vines, traps, and longbow lays WASTE to the theif.
my ranger is berserker/valkyr build

i focus on dmg, with toughness. sure i sacrifice a bit of offense. but considering it makes it so theif can’t hurt me at all. its easily worth it.

learn to play. otherwise the first time u fight a fear necro, or a condition mesmer, or a GS/rifle warrior. you gonna be crying again.
(seriously. fear necro will fear you off cliffs. condition mesmers are JUST A PAIN TO FIGHT. and GS/rifle warrior. you lose hp fast)

so stop using berserker. and stop acting like a 6 year old.

This is probably the best day I have ever had on these forums.

Thief is op though, stealth > any skill anyone can ever use.

It doesnt even matter that they can’t fight bunkers, they’re only meant to decap anyway. Developers said so.

no argument about stealth spammers.

they can rot in hell (cant kill them so i usually just leave them)

but dmg wise with the occasional stealth is fine (shadow refuge is the reason i like theives in dungeons)

stealth spammers can go die. but the occasional stealth (like shadow refuge + the stealth heal 6) are fine.
my old theif used d/d and p/p. partially cause i liked it like that. and partially because i wanted to show people i don’t abuse stealth xD

i use stealth when i need to step back and get some hp.

so if they increased reveal duration to 10 secounds. i honestly would not mind. as i use stealth maybe every 15-20 secounds

But today our survivabilty are near 0 without stealth !
We can spec into toughness and vitality but in this case we do no damage at all !

There should be a balance, today it is broken.

not true
stealth heals a large degree, as well as traits removing conditions, restoring initiative, and healing.

so u don’t need it as often.

add to that crits HEAL you, so a crit build heals you nearly as fast as u take dmg

add to that the increased evasion(and i’m not referign to daredevil)

and lets add the heals from use of initiative skills.

and thief can heal faster as it does dmg.

also roll for initiative removes conditions and gives initiative for more heals and crit heals.

i only need stealth once every 15-20 secounds cause i HEAL so fast when doing dmg, that stealth is only needed when conditions stack up enough.

making reveal 10 secounds wouldn’t affect me at all.

other than that, theif is fine. u can buff the reveal effect. but everything else on thief is fine(or could use a bit of buffs….looking at you mesmers…u kitten trolls)

here is the build
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vZAQRAoY6alsMhenYnTw7JQ/EHtE1uDiuRkPE3QQoDgDYBA

use with full berserker. or add in 1-3 soldier pieces.

the criticals heal u for 15% of critical dmg.
the occasional stealth heals you drastically, removing conditions, restoring initative (hence only needing it every 15 secounds)

i dont have hte int use heals you here. cause i choose to grab the spammable poison proc with increased dmg and duration. to hurt the enemy more.

and yes. its d/d and p/p

dagger for bursting dmg.

and when i’m low on int, roll for initative. pull out pistols. unload into the enemy to regain hp. when hp is full, switch to daggers, steal, and repeat.

it works quite well.
and it isn’t stealth spam skummy.

its not an ideal weapon. it doesnt bring anything really. its inferior to dagger in all ways except the fact you can use it with range.

shortbow is far superior at utility and dmg in groups.

but if u need ranged combat, and your just focusing on 1 opponent. p/p is better than shortbow at single target dmg.

i use p/p cause…well partially its in my character’s theme (i roleplay……)

and its worked out well for me. i’ll use dagger/dagger for most opponents, but if i’m on low hp, i’ll pull out pistol/pistol, and spam the 3 skill to build up my hp again using the trait to give u a portion of your crit dmg as hp.

P/P could really use a buff in synergy (make it so that the condition based 1 skill works with the pure physical based 3 skill. and make the 2,4, and 5 skills mesh with the 1 and 3 skills)

but overall. its not BAD. but its not ideal in most situations. its a very situational tool.

Azure The Heartless.3261:

arenta.2953:

Azure The Heartless.3261:

Aidan.7120:

No need to read anything other then first post.
There are 2 possible options
1: you must be a total noob who just began to play, or a pve brainless carebear
2: you are a troll who tries to frame

Not agreeing with OP that Thief is op?

Must be a thief.

Stop defending it because you don’t want it to be nerfed.

i’m a necro/rev/ranger

an guess what. thief isn’t OP.

the only time thief can kill you easily is if you are in full berserker.

add soem valkyr and soldier gear to your build. and theif’s dmg to you drops off massively.

my necro can literally ignore a thief that attacks me. soldier/valkyr build for necro with full vamperic build.

my revenant has more hp and evasion. and can massacre the thief in a head to head brawl. unless thief is running condition build, it will lose.
my rev is berserker/soldier build

my ranger literally laughs as my pet makes their stealth WORTHLESS and my vines, traps, and longbow lays WASTE to the theif.
my ranger is berserker/valkyr build

i focus on dmg, with toughness. sure i sacrifice a bit of offense. but considering it makes it so theif can’t hurt me at all. its easily worth it.

learn to play. otherwise the first time u fight a fear necro, or a condition mesmer, or a GS/rifle warrior. you gonna be crying again.
(seriously. fear necro will fear you off cliffs. condition mesmers are JUST A PAIN TO FIGHT. and GS/rifle warrior. you lose hp fast)

so stop using berserker. and stop acting like a 6 year old.

This is probably the best day I have ever had on these forums.

Thief is op though, stealth > any skill anyone can ever use.

It doesnt even matter that they can’t fight bunkers, they’re only meant to decap anyway. Developers said so.

no argument about stealth spammers.

they can rot in hell (cant kill them so i usually just leave them)

but dmg wise with the occasional stealth is fine (shadow refuge is the reason i like theives in dungeons)

stealth spammers can go die. but the occasional stealth (like shadow refuge + the stealth heal 6) are fine.
my old theif used d/d and p/p. partially cause i liked it like that. and partially because i wanted to show people i don’t abuse stealth xD

i use stealth when i need to step back and get some hp.

so if they increased reveal duration to 10 secounds. i honestly would not mind. as i use stealth maybe every 15-20 secounds

Azure The Heartless.3261:

Aidan.7120:

No need to read anything other then first post.
There are 2 possible options
1: you must be a total noob who just began to play, or a pve brainless carebear
2: you are a troll who tries to frame

Not agreeing with OP that Thief is op?

Must be a thief.

Stop defending it because you don’t want it to be nerfed.

i’m a necro/rev/ranger

an guess what. thief isn’t OP.

the only time thief can kill you easily is if you are in full berserker.

add soem valkyr and soldier gear to your build. and theif’s dmg to you drops off massively.

my necro can literally ignore a thief that attacks me. soldier/valkyr build for necro with full vamperic build.

my revenant has more hp and evasion. and can massacre the thief in a head to head brawl. unless thief is running condition build, it will lose.
my rev is berserker/soldier build

my ranger literally laughs as my pet makes their stealth WORTHLESS and my vines, traps, and longbow lays WASTE to the theif.
my ranger is berserker/valkyr build

i focus on dmg, with toughness. sure i sacrifice a bit of offense. but considering it makes it so theif can’t hurt me at all. its easily worth it.

learn to play. otherwise the first time u fight a fear necro, or a condition mesmer, or a GS/rifle warrior. you gonna be crying again.
(seriously. fear necro will fear you off cliffs. condition mesmers are JUST A PAIN TO FIGHT. and GS/rifle warrior. you lose hp fast)

so stop using berserker. and stop acting like a 6 year old.

theif is great and killing glass cannon people.

but if u got a BIT of survivability. that theif is screwed.

after getting away from rev, necro, and ranger.

i tried out elite theif, warrior, and unfortunatley….mesmer.

warrior turned out to be fun (i have a history of disliking warrior due to what i call static playstyle….not agile enough) its not a keeper for me, but i can see it being fun(i just prefer more agile animations….like ranger xD)

theif…i hated daredevil design…..and then i got on rev…..so now i’m poking into daredevil again after falling in love with rev staff.
and…i like it now. still wish for a rifle. but right now my biggest problem with thief is trying to figure out how to bring a staff, 2 daggers, and 2 pistols. i love all 3 sets xD go figure!

-actually…that problem is with my reaper as well. i have staff, GS, and dual dagger…hard to bring all 3 xD

lastly….mesmer….
i hate this class….i really do. it might be the thief/ranger/necro in me. but i was raised hating it.
and i hate it even more now……cause it made me have fun on it T.T
why can’t it just accept i want to hate it and leave it like that……why must it make me have fun on it when it knows all i want to do is hate it……

anyway. story is….well i’m sad eirr died…but happy with trahearnes fate….even if i would have prefered a different sort of demise for him <.<

anyway….said i would and so i shall

i gave it 7/10. i now raise it to 10/10 (for story, elites, new zones). but i lower it to 9/10 cause it made me like mesmer……

and now i need to grind gear for mesmer…….thanks alot -.- more work….
why couldnt you have left me happily hatting mesmer…

nice!

looking forward to more.

you are the tablet…..
i was gonna say make it follow you by itself….but this is actually very interesting.

i’m up for experimenting.

ChaosCorpse.3046:

I´ve had enough of this.
The last boss battle is way too broken. Why the hell should i fight this boss for 20-30 minutes just to get killed in the last air-phase by your kitten updrafts not working! WHY!
I have wasted 5 hours! 5 HOURS! on this broken boss now. Doing the whole instance multiple times. And it almost kills me the same way, every time.

If i knew the ending would kitten me off that much, i wouldnt have bought the expansion. Seriously. What a waste of my time and nerves. Why are your endbosses ,up till now, in such a buggy and crappy shape ArenaNet? No matter how good the expansion is, if the ending is kitten will forever leave a sour taste. Remember a game called Mass Effect 3? This is the best example there is to deliver. No matter how good the content is, it will always be judged by its ending.

I´ve had enough with this crap. I wont touch the game for a few days at least. Not until the boss is finally fixed.

the boss is hard?
difficult?
challenging?!

YES. GOOD ENDING.

the ending should be somethign you fail often. like Arah exploration.

not something stupid easy and pathetic like Arah story

we have staff 4…….but its not removing conditions from yourself as often as it should

it only removes conditions 30% of the time……and onyl 2 of them…….with a long cooldown in this cripple spamm frost spam meta….

it sucks T.T

what are is that with the hood o.o

holy crap nice!

also nice alucard =D

Paulytnz.7619:

You will need a Dev to answer that, we can only speculate. It could just be an oversight. There has been a few of those made this expansion. Cough the Rev water issues for example.

rev needs condition removal for underwater T.T

most dmg from water combat is condition! and yet so limited to remoe it! wtf

signed
/15charlimit

same here. literally copy paste korn’s post.

fluidmonolith.3584:

ah, I missed #9. At the moment, only the Shiro and Jalis legends work underwater, but I do not know if this is intended to be permanent or just temporary. So the only condition removal we have is through Jalis heal unfortunately…

ty

fluidmonolith.3584:

1. yes to both (but I think renewing wave is bugged at the moment and doesn’t work all the time)

2. yes

3. I will need to leave this question to someone else since I don’t play Ranger. However, Rev has good emergency survival tools once you unlock the Herald elite specialization.

4. I think the wiki for the staff may be outdated, so I went into heart of the mists and equipped berserker amulet on both classes. With 2200 power, the damages (hits 1,2,3 of AA chain) are:
GS ranger – 473, 473, 619
Staff Rev – 559, 649, 850
Note that the last staff hit has a 1 sec cast time though, compared to 3/4 sec for the greatsword.

5. I do not know the answer to this one at the moment.

6. Focused siphoning does around 60 damage and healing per strike against vulnerable targets with very little power or healing power scaling. Assassin’s Annihilation does 344 damage at 220 power and will do around 240 with a build that doesn’t invest in power. It 306 healing with 0 healing power and 426 healing with 1200 healing power. On a 1 sec cooldown. Vampiric does around 40 damage and healing and doesn’t scale much with power or healing power. Vampiric aura does around 38 damage and 33 healing and doesn’t scale much with stats.
All of these numbers are taken from tooltips in game.

7. Revenant can get permanent swiftness by equipping Glint legend once you have the Herald elite spec (Facet of Elements). Other than that, you do not have any permanent speed boost. It is possible to blast lighting fields (Jalis’ Inspiring Reinforcement) for swiftness or use Impossible Odds on Shiro for around 50% superspeed uptime.

8. It’s an F2 skill that will appear once you equipped the Herald specialization. The icon appears centered above your energy bar.

thank you thank you =D

but what about #9?

1. do these remove conditions for me? or just allies?

renewing wave (2 conditions)
eluding nullification(1 condition)-trait from salvation

2. Is 2h hammer the only ranged weapon i have?

3. Rev feels squishy. but then again i’m level 55. so how does it feel at lv 80 (compared to say…ranger. i don’t expect it to be tanky like warrior, guardian, or hell..bunker necro)

4. according to Wiki, base dmg on staff’s auto attack is higher than ranger GS. is this true? or incorrect?

5. a friend was having trouble seeing the healing orbs staff auto attack 3 shot out. can allies see it?

6. how does focused siphoning and assassin’s annihalation compare to the healing of necro’s vamperic and vamperic aura. (i dont mean to allies. i mean just for me)
more? less?

7. Any +25%? speed. if not. is runes of the traveler a good rune set for rev. or is there better ones? (PvE/WvW/Dungeons/Fractals/Raids)

8. faucet of nature……wth? where is it located? is it a f2 skill? i don’t see where it would appear (keep in mind i dont have the elite proffession yet…but i dont see where it would fit in hotbar)
9. what do i do for condition removal underwater?!

ty

Witch of Doom.5739:

…. with dyeable flames? YES. Take my gems, ANet!

(I’m sure I’ll be insulted for liking outfits. I don’t care. Maybe I didn’t play with my dolls enough growing up, since I was such a tomboy.)

i love the outfit 2

my complaints are Rev doesn’t have yellow or red flames to go with the outfit xD