Guild Wars 2

Basaltface.2786:

Aeolus.3615:

I think it is good, pve players will have a chance to see how WvW/PvP players can get organized in large scale fight and how coordenation is important and it is fun.

…fun.. yea gonna be REALLY funny to get utterly destroyed by perfectly organised armies of pvp\wvw pros while most pve guys will be nothing more then targets on legs to them. Man specially i gonna LOVE getting used as soccer ball and teabag stand with my already to death nerfed, engineer while probably also getting a nice and vast collection of ways to call somebody a noob and other utterly charming taunts over the world chat to make it a bit less enjoyable as little bonus. Lets hope atleast a nice skin item or somewhat good loot is in for the time i get practially rented out as walking loot bag and laughing stock for guys who actually love this sort of gameplay and got experience in it to follow the storyline -_-. I do need to say though that i am happy for the wvw crowd to get a new toy to play with. Can only imagine how utterly boring it gotta be to be stuck to the same maps all the time. Though… why dont simply add the map and keep it LS free? Would had been the better choice in my opinion.

wow. bitter much? I dont know what kind of server you tried wvw on but this has never happened to me. Corpse dancing ok but what do I care about that someone finally got me.
And who is going to call you noob in world chat, that doesnt sound very smart, they are your teammates.

but his eyes seem to glitter with icy cunning, and his countenance is still suffocatingly imposing.

NoTrigger.8396:

aspirine.6852:

NoTrigger.8396:

Danikat.8537:

Most of them just don’t like the idea that other players can kill them. Yes things attack and kill you in PvE too but they’re usually a lot easier to beat and not as persistent.

timidobserver.7925:

g e o.2589:

Why do pve players whine about LW in EoTM – fist of all there are now queues so you can get in anytime you want – no more “I can’t adjust it to my playtime” arguments. There are no server specifications so even low-pop servers gain same amount of people as T1 servers do. You are not restricted to playing alone. The only difference is that there are more hostile creatures – be it Legendary Bosses or players.

The two things that make PVE players complain about PVE:

1. PVE players basically have a sort of combination of fear, anxiety, and anger at competition and the idea of other players being able to kill them.

2. In GW2, the mechanics of NPCs are extremely easy to predict and avoid. This makes it hard for PVE players to go into PvP where they are just taking advantage of some poorly designed NPC that simply requires them to dodge at the right moment every few seconds.

this is what happens when good PvE players go into wvw:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCaEGzBkEuo

seriously, scripted AI is better than 99% of the wvw and pvp players.

Nice try but that is a wvw player and the guys chasing are the pve ones.

nice try but he is not. he is my guild mate. he is a PvE player named Dub from the top PvE guild retaliate [rT] and the guys chasing are the wvw ones.

gg no re

Ah is that why is is running a meta wvw necro build . He knows very well where he is going and the people after him are pve players from dzago. Except for the thief general but he just sux. The rest are wvw league players, also known as pve players.

Brando.1374:

aspirine.6852:

apt.9184:

This is why devs should not listen to most people on the fourms. This change is great as it is reducing amount of stupid kitten in this game. Although, I wish they would do something about signet of spite already.

It’s great that a grandmaster trait is made useless?

Yes it’s great that this trait in question is useless.
I would prefer that it be removed completely and all nerd due to dumbfire will be reverted.

That is something different, since they are not doing the last thing, I doubt the necro is better of without the trait.

apt.9184:

This is why devs should not listen to most people on the fourms. This change is great as it is reducing amount of stupid kitten in this game. Although, I wish they would do something about signet of spite already.

It’s great that a grandmaster trait is made useless?

NoTrigger.8396:

Danikat.8537:

Most of them just don’t like the idea that other players can kill them. Yes things attack and kill you in PvE too but they’re usually a lot easier to beat and not as persistent.

timidobserver.7925:

g e o.2589:

Why do pve players whine about LW in EoTM – fist of all there are now queues so you can get in anytime you want – no more “I can’t adjust it to my playtime” arguments. There are no server specifications so even low-pop servers gain same amount of people as T1 servers do. You are not restricted to playing alone. The only difference is that there are more hostile creatures – be it Legendary Bosses or players.

The two things that make PVE players complain about PVE:

1. PVE players basically have a sort of combination of fear, anxiety, and anger at competition and the idea of other players being able to kill them.

2. In GW2, the mechanics of NPCs are extremely easy to predict and avoid. This makes it hard for PVE players to go into PvP where they are just taking advantage of some poorly designed NPC that simply requires them to dodge at the right moment every few seconds.

this is what happens when good PvE players go into wvw:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCaEGzBkEuo

seriously, scripted AI is better than 99% of the wvw and pvp players.

Nice try but that is a wvw player and the guys chasing are the pve ones.

Why are some of you so scared of being killed or ganked? It happens all the time in wvw and guess what, besides the repair bill nothing happens.
It’s pretty easy not to get ganked, dont go solo just group up. Lots of people from either wvw servers or pve groups that will protect you. Who knows you might learn a trick or two when fighting a not stationery foe.

Gulesave.5073:

As the devs have repeated every time they talk about this preview, including in the opening post of this thread: This is NOT everything. These are just some examples.

I can only hope that the rest of the skill updates arent as kitten as the ones we know.

Astralporing.1957:

aspirine.6852:

Why are you so against people killing you or another player? Nothing happens, just a repair bill. Just give it a try?

Because it’s not fun?
It’s not like the Obsidian Sanctum LS debacle wasn’t already bad (which people didn’t forget to clearly communicate to the devs – it seems it was completely ignored)..

You do not kill things in the pve part of the game? This is the same thing, just they fight back. I do not like the OS either, been there once and no need to go back there.

aspirine.6852:

Kitiara.2706:

I know one guy that has gotten several rings and 3 ascended weapon chests (he is like rank 300). I am rank 490, not a single thing. Gotta love RNG

Yeah same here. I got 4 ascended drops in WvW now I think. Im’not even rank 300 if I count all ranks of all my chars. Got one around 15, one 30, one 50 and one at 70 rank. So far not bad if I see other peoples drops :/

And another item at rank 41, palawa joko’s fingercuffs. Some of you are really unlucky :/

Fallout.1798:

GoddessOfTheWinds.2937:

Yes, looks like they probably encountered major bugs or problems. No worries, as long as we get it

I’d much rather wait another 2 weeks than have it rushed to be added and have bugs. Most likely bug would be players not getting all their different character’s WXP added up properly. So yea, better to wait for it to be bug free and working.

Well every LS has been riddled with bugs, I think I want to take my chances with this one.

Come on how hard can it be to reverse a few numbers?>

Pipra.7580:

Mishva.9416:

Gonna have so much fun stomping pve carebears, get ready to be spawn camped and zerg busted for days!

That sort of talk is a big reason why a lot of players stay away from PvP/WvW. It’s one thing to get killed by another player. It’s another entirely to get killed and then taunted over it.

Show some class, please.

People like that are a) not very serious or b) very bad.
So the new guys just follow the wvw veterans and those people are stomped. But I dont think any wvw veteran is preying on pve new guys.

Da Sonic.6521:

While I get that this needs to be fixed, this isn’t as bad as people are making it out to be.
Fiery Greatsword gives 5 Fiery Rush uses per cycle to two players, and does approximately as much damage as this per use. Over time, a single elementalist using FGS with someone to pick up the other one does double damage with that skill alone (not even taking into account the other skills on FGS). Additionally, in the video linked immediately above me, the difference between the speed of the gate going down when the signet is active on the gate and when it is not is negligible.

That video is just proof they are using it, since then they have done it with many more necros and any gate goes down in 10 seconds. It does an insane amount more damage than fgs, not even comparable. With 10 necros it’s like having 10 sup ramms.

Tommyknocker.6089:

Martrim.1078:

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Why would u not challange yourself?

i don’t get the dislike for pvp

Challenge is arbitrary at best, to some being in the top 10 of the leader boards is the only reason for existing. For others, like myself, I’m happy to just blow off a bit of steam killing the monsters of the wild while enjoying the scenery. The motives of players can shift drastically, hence it is a good thing we have so many choices in GW2.

The motives are usualy the same. Like you said yourself, blowing offf steam by killing things in a virtual world. The reason that most do not like wvw/pvp is that they are affraid they get killed. Simple as that.

I think you need to get out more hoax…..

Iason Evan.3806:

I play a ton of solo queue and team queue and pve, but i detest wvw. eotm sounds really interesting to me because i don’t think the mobs will be as large. anything past 20vs.20 to me is just monkeys flinging poo at each other.

Well I despise the pvp in this game and love wvw. be it small scale or large vs large.
When you think of it of monkeys throwing kitten you describe a pug zerg meeting another. That sort of thing rarely happens.

It’s the portal to Cantha.

ShiningSquirrel.3751:

It’s easy, f they mix them, I just will not do the content. WvW/PvP sucks and I will not go near it just for something LS related.

Your loss then, because gearing is just soooooo expensive is it.

Dee Jay.2460:

People like to act as if Engineers take so much skill but really it’s just a really forgiving class when specced full Dire + massive AoE Condition spam + 40% Condition duration food + Perplexity Runes.

That combination is probably the king of condition cheese.

I once watched an Engineer from stealth running in circles for a full 20 seconds, spaming his AoE bombs before deciding to stop. He didn’t even bother to check if he’d hit anything or if I was even around.

As for an actual counter. The only way I’ve managed to come out on top of a not-terrible Engineer is by stacking -40% Condition food on myself and waiting out their cooldowns.

Try to avoid their AoE as much as possible while still pressuring them just enough for them to use their cooldowns. Be patient and don’t expect to instant-gib them like some other classes. After they’ve blown their immunity-shrink thing (Elexir S?) they can be bursted down successfully.

But it takes a little luck and timing.

This is assuming you’re playing either D/D or D/P burst in WvW.

But as said, they are the kings of condition cheese so don’t expect a good win-record even with -40% Condition food.

Do you expect them to stand still and eat your backstab? wtf is he suppose to do when a cheese invis thief is running around somewhere.

I fail to see how an elite skill of the engineer with a cooldown of 3 minutes needed a nerf and other( I wont call them out) stun professionskills can do this every few seconds?
Is this because of the well known engineer trains marching across EB and scaring every borderlands patrol?

I think Aurora glade has the best gvg groups in the EU. They have many guilds that I would call very good. But the problem could be that most of them are EU based and do not gvg in your prime time?

corwen.5798:

aspirine.6852:

Right now the AM necro blob is going through GH borderlands. Why you are trying to defend these cheap kitten tactics is beyond me.
Gandara would be ahead of you if your server was not cheating big time. I kinda feel sorry for the few good and well known guilds on AM, their name is tainted even though they did not cheat.

I still don’t see, why you dont gather your zerg and wipe AM, esp if they are onl one huge bob of kitten necros? Seems to me like a kitten load of free loot bags?

No they are about 10 to 15 necros and the rest can be anything. We do not have a blob or zerg and that is no problem normally. We deny them supply, we stall them so we can call in reinforcements. But when you can take a keep in 30 seconds that’s not really working now. Siege does not make a difference.
So far only the AM server is mass using it, and yeah I would not mind them being banned completly for it.

Pathetic, I will probably get banned for getting kittened of at anet for doing nothing about this. And the people who exploit the game get away with it.

Right now the AM necro blob is going through GH borderlands. Why you are trying to defend these cheap kitten tactics is beyond me.
Gandara would be ahead of you if your server was not cheating big time. I kinda feel sorry for the few good and well known guilds on AM, their name is tainted even though they did not cheat.

Shpongle.6025:

citizankane.5723:

Aww do you need help finding Scarlet’s secret lair?

I already found it on Day 1.

I’m beastgate, son.

Nice AP’s you got there

Btw for me my favorite is periscopes of consciousness…

Kitiara.2706:

I know one guy that has gotten several rings and 3 ascended weapon chests (he is like rank 300). I am rank 490, not a single thing. Gotta love RNG

Yeah same here. I got 4 ascended drops in WvW now I think. Im’not even rank 300 if I count all ranks of all my chars. Got one around 15, one 30, one 50 and one at 70 rank. So far not bad if I see other peoples drops :/

LoopySnoopy.7923:

As the title hints at when this patch drops do we know that the severs we are matched up with that week; is going to be a free for all?

So if I’m doing a part of the LS some one from another sever can kill me…. This has me worried a little and has me thinking if they go that way I wont bother and I’ve enjoyed 98% of the LS including the recent version of it. Thus I would miss out on part of the scarlet conclusion, would be nice if a dev would answer this.

Why are you so against people killing you or another player? Nothing happens, just a repair bill. Just give it a try?

thaooo.5320:

gitflap.9031:

So what you’re saying is that NA users are more “casual” about their cheating than EU users? You maybe take down a gate 10, 15, 20 percent faster with the exploit, so that’s alright then?

Well, I’m just glad there’s an ocean between us, bud. Coz your attitude stinks.

No. We simply don’t use the cheat, we play how we always have. Yet you have the courage to display some kind of twisted moral superiority while bad mouthing others, funny.

I literally forgot about the Necromancers signet heal until these new threads that just popped up now, and I’m certain the rest of NA forgot too.

Meh the problem is never using it yourself or your own server, you can control that. There is one server in particular( AM) and they have been using it all week. I did not even know about the cheat/exploit. I’m sure you saw how devestating it is in large groups?
Our T3 garri doors melted in 10 seconds, inner was gone in 10 seconds and there goes your hard work to upgrade.

thaooo.5320:

aspirine.6852:

It’s a big deal, that you or your server doesnt understand it makes no difference.

Be as abusive and aggressive as you want (lol, sad), but it isn’t abused in NA and no one here even cares about it, or actively thinks about it. It is just one of those things in the background no one cares about.

‘m not aggresive about it you are. Oh the NA does not care. So the skill must be ok. Well here in EU we think it’s a problem.

thaooo.5320:

NA players have been using this since the new healing skills came out, and it has not been a problem here.

It’s not even a big deal, no one in NA goes out of their way to spam it. We don’t have necro blobs running around, we just play like we always have, if there happens to be a necro in your group then sure it might be used once or twice but it isn’t game breaking.

EU are last to learn of this, and first to abuse it, it seems.

It’s a big deal, that you or your server doesnt understand it makes no difference.

Runty Choir.4893:

If you look at Abaddons Mouth’s tick you will see that they didnt get the message, in fact they have a lot of underlevveled Necro’s running around lol. Typical of a ppt regional server.

lol over 400 tick now, it’s almost funny to see the gate go down like it does. Unless you have been upgrading it all day.

Rest in Piece my fellow gamer.

Saturn.6591:

Lol; so maybe that’s how the blob-servers we’ve faced the this and last week melted our T3-gates so fast. Dunno if knowingly or not, but this would certainly explain it.

Of course they know it, the damage of the signet is almost the same as a ramm. Imagine 10 of the atleast. That is what we are seeing all day on gunnars hold and gandara.

And to be honest, I dont think such a critical error can wait untill the 4th.

they will fix it on feb the 4th. Way to go for not understanding how this is breaking your game right now.

Yeah I just watched a fully upgraded garrison with people doing supply runs all afternoon get openen in about 10 seconds. AM even brought golems to protect their necros instead of using the golems to get the doors.. How sad is this?

Ban that server already, they all know about it and large groups are still using it. They should be removed from the server list and banned for life.

Malchior.5042:

Would you rather have a bugged account WxP system that deleted all your WxP on all characters until the next patch?

If it’s still got kinks, then they need to be addressed before rolling out a large system change that affects an entire gametype.

How can wxp wide ranks be very difficult and be bugged? It’s not that big of a change.

Ok, give us a real Dhuum skill to replace it. Fire does not make any sense anyway.
Weight of dhuum sounds like a nice replacement

I would be seriously surprised if the end of this storyline is not a cliffhanger for an expansion. Cant wait.

Ishi.1857:

now they try it at veloka and lose again^^

Ahh look at you all acting tough. Why dont you not exploit and face gandara on the field.

Peter.6185:

aspirine.6852:

. Testing fine, but these AM need to be banned for exploiting the skill.

Why ban Abaddon? Using sigil is a common tactic since 4 weeks now and Aba started using it only 2 days ago. Sure it’s a bit more effective with their blobb, but why only ban them?

Because they are now mass using it against gandara and winning because of it. And they have been using it for all matchup now, most people just didnt know that it was this particular exploit. And afaik even if it’s a bug, if you keep on using it like this Anet will consider it you using an exploit. Thus they should be banned.

I have not seen gandara using it, nor our own server. I would report them myself if someone is using it. Testing fine, but these AM need to be banned for exploiting the skill.

Someone also post it on the bug forum? I cant create new posts or else I would have myself…

How do you report them? am just walked through our BL and I dont think it was even 10 seconds per gate. No siege all using the exploit. For all I care they are all perma banned.

I see AM blob is at your keep again gandarans? Are they using it again?

Soooo that is how they recapped some of the things so kitten fast. I and some others on GH where also suspicious about it, thought it was mesmers but everytime found out they went through gates so no mesmers.

I got an ascended armour from the chest. Too bad it was pre defined and useless stats to me, i’d rather choose my stats with such a terrible drop rate. What are the odds I will even see one again, with the stats I need.

Kalarchis.8635:

Ohoni.6057:

2. It cannot be narrative important. If a player dos not participate in the “hardcore” content, he should still get the full story that the participating player would.

Well don’t play GW1 then. There was a lot of story in the elite dungeons:

1) Sorrow’s Furnace – This place gave us the first real look into dredge society and their fight for freedom, as well as some dwarven history, including the Tome of the Rubicon, a very important book that talks about the Great Destroyer and the Great Dwarf years before Eye of the North brought all that to the forefront.

2) The Deep – A look into the consequences of the Luxon mining activities, what’s lurking down in the depths of the Jade Sea, and why the Outcasts went mad and are killing everyone.

3) Urgoz’s Warren – Similarly, a look at how the Jade Wind affected the guardians of Echovold, causing Urgoz and all of his wardens to go mad and kill everyone, like the Outcasts.

4) Domain of Anguish – A very interesting look at what happens to a fallen god’s minions when he’s defeated and they’re left in the remnants of his realm. Also, we finally got to see the Foundry of Failed Creations, where all of the titans are made.

5) The Underworld – Awesome insight into the workings of Grenth’s realm, including his fight for control with Dhuum and what happens to dead spirits (bringing Gwen down there FTW.)

6) The Fissure of Woe – Similar insight into Balthazar’s realm and his fight for control with Menzies.

Lots of lore and story in all of those, and they certainly were not doable by casuals (until everyone was OP by EoTN anyway.) Look, we need difficult content too, and making that content completely void of plot for the sake of casuals is ridiculous. Get over yourself.

kitten how could I forget the deep and urgoz. Best dungeons on the game. Just didnt like the endboss in urgoz but kanaxai was awesome. And his mini was legendary, remember the kamadan shouts? wts kanaxai mini…. and there he was..