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Have you recently changed your Server?
forgot about the changing server bug.. here a link to that topic
Wow – this is exactly true! I changed servers to get WvW map completion. Spent $10 + 4g doing it so no way I’m transferring back. But man! Now I have to earn more chests in this server than in the previous one? The hell?
Fortunately I don’t have too many tournament wins on that one. Small blessings I guess
I had thought for some time about making this post, for a couple of days in fact, knowing that some wouldn’t agree, but decided it is something we need to broach.
I’m talking in particular about the collapse of SoS and the subsequent transfer of people off of it. Before I continue let me be clear, SoS is a great server that I respect, it held the number 1 spot for many weeks, and many great people were responsible for this. No one can ever take that away.
In any event, as a WvW community we’ve come to a cross road now. That is, just prior to Free transfers closing, JQ stacked itself and made itself a formidable force. Initially JQ struggled, particularly over the weekends but it soon became apparent JQ couldn’t be stopped. JQ has recruited better than others and has now, much like SoS previously, placed itself in a position to win repeatedly.
As this became obvious a number of people left SoS. Why? Only they can tell you, but the reverberations are still being felt. It set a precedence and in turn other people may have thought for some time about it, ultimately some did in fact decide to leave. The symbolism of this was subsequently felt throughout the SoS community and in turn others left, a snowball effect. As I type this I’m aware of similar things happening within the EU WvW community.
Why is it an issue? Because free transfers have FINISHED.
People now have to use gems to transfer, some may have the gold to get the gems others may have to farm more, a percentage will have to use real money to purchase gems.
Why is this relevant? Because GW2 is designed to make money and by people using gems to transfer they have in turn undermined the WvW community by reinforcing that. Let me explain.
JQ was going to win, everyone could see that. With free transfers ended, it would be expected that JQ would win for a long time.
At that time, the pressure was on ArenaNet. If JQ was simply going to win forever and ArenaNet let it continue that way, with nothing but ppt to focus on then it would upset the community greatly. Now I guess what’s sad is that it would have taken time, weeks if not months for ArenaNet to do something. It’s no secret that the WvW community is placed far behind PvE and sPvP, there would be in no hurry to make changes.
However, that pressure and any immediacy with it is now significantly less, for 2 reasons.
1) The WvW community can ‘manage’ itself. If people are unhappy that JQ is winning or in the future BG, it’s ok. The community will start to transfer to a different server, that’s high population and within the same tier or one tier removed.
2) The business that makes the game makes MONEY. Anyone within that infrastructure that cared about JQ dominance, that wanted to address these issues and the future of WvW has had their influence undermined by the money that’s being made by transfers. The corporates will be standing back saying ‘OMG don’t change it, were making money, just leave it and see what happens. Why didn’t you stop free transfers sooner!!??’. Actually the worst case scenario is that they try and reinforce the transfer trend.
So that’s where we are at, nothing needs to change because we can use 1800 gems (very high server) which is just under 35g (adjusted) to solve our own problems.
At this point there’s nothing more to be said. If you didn’t think about the server you were on prior to free transfers closing, perhaps you should have, are things really THAT bad there, I don’t believe so. The server where you currently are is OK.
So we are now in the position of ‘do we use gems to transfer?’. If you care about WvW, don’t transfer. Think about server pride, about what fun means to you and how to win, without winning all the time should your server get less ppt than others and what that all means to ArenaNet.
If you have recently transferred, then be happy where you are. Place pressure on those that make the changes if you are unhappy sometime in the future. But don’t transfer, in the long run, the WvW community does not benefit, those that don’t care about WvW do.
Respect
I transferred to Blackgate for map completion. I now have a shiny star in my name
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Nobody in this thread agrees with OP except me it seems
If OP’s border was full at the time they were dueling, they should have found an empty border to do it. If there was no queue, however, let them duel all they want
What next? Complaining that people don’t follow the zerg and go on doing what they think is best instead?
Good god I just checked the cost of server transfers! 1800 gems! I’m never going to pay that much for transferring – especially since I don’t even care which world I’m on. I just wanted map completion
Sucks. Now I have to depend on other people for what is essentially a PvE goal.
Those who fight in JPs are pretty much tools of Anet. They fight….because Anet tells them to. Because the other guy is red.
Wait what? Oh snap! Oh burn! You are jumping in a jumping puzzle because Anet tells you to, you are using a mesmer portal for portaling because Anet tells you.. See what I did there, Mr. Tool?
If only there was free server transfers still going on I would totally jump on the enemy server just to gank you and the rest of these silly pve heroes who qq here. The sweet, sweet tears of silly pvers :>
I do the jumping puzzles to benefit myself. I profit from it. So “being a tool” doesn’t apply here. When you try and foolishly kill someone just because of a color when you can just as easily lose and get no benefit whatsoever, that makes you a tool.
And let’s stop pretending that those who attack others in JPs are some 1v1 beasts. I’m r30 myself in PvP – if I don’t manage to pull you off a ledge, I’m just as willing to leave you on your back. But it’s waste of time and I’d rather not do it. Because I don’t do anything with no benefit to myself.
Ah but the thing is, you’ve been tricked by anet into thinking JP rewards are worth anything. BoH for Legendary? Pffff, 5 minutes in photoshop and I’ll get you something that looks cooler. Siege plans? Rather useless if you don’t wvw.
Now why do we kill people? Same reason why people play video games really, for the fun of it. The prestige of racking up those player kills (a progression that is as meaningful as sPvP rank to some people). The thrill of smashing your enemy into oblivion and inflating your e-ego. It’s obvious different people are going to derive different benefits and experiences from the same feature, but in the end, all that matters is the enjoyment.
Addressing OP’s point, “peace” is never suppose to be preserved in a PvP map. Peace is detrimental to your server’s glory, giving enemies free badges and siege plans. Peace should be broken and invaders kicked off the JP in the most humiliating ways possible. Peace only exists when all the red is dead. PvE QQers trying to get legendary in easy mode can go QQ more.
At least legendary rewards are tangible. You can show them off to someone. “Prestige” of racking up player kills is unverifiable. There’s no way for another person to objectively tell how many people you’ve killed.
I wish “fun” was enough of a motivation for me. It’s not. I want tangible rewards. “Server glory” is as illogical as patriotism. I mean, what exactly are you feeling proud about? Who cares which server wins? How do I personally benefit from what my server does? I destroy all siege plans as soon as I get them since they just waste inventory space.
When I do something, I like to get something out of it. “Fun” is just one component. So by all means, try and kill me when doing the JP. Just realize that you have an equal chance of getting killed and to tell the truth I’m not even interested in killing you – just pushing you off the ledge so that I can continue my way to the badges.
You will be nothing but an annoyance. And you’re doing no favors to yourself. Like I said earlier, irrational people spoil it for the rest of us. Fortunately for me I have the tools to brush you off.
P.S: Just yesterday I was attacked by a thief and a warrior at the same time in the JP. Thief also popped thieves guild. I pulled both of them off the ledge and got two badges
l I wasn’t expecting that since my drop rate for badges when killing people in WvW is horrible.
Now THAT’s an idea. Give me a guaranteed badge drop for killing players and I just might think it worth my while to finish you off when you attack me in the JP instead of just removing you from my vicinity.
One weakness of this build might be against professions that utilize minions to do their damage. Minion necromancers come to mind since they don’t do their damage directly and are not hit by retaliation.
In sPvP of course, condition removal is definitely an issue. I try and place the curtain under the warden for some cleansing. In a pinch, I’ll take null field.
It is interesting you identify that as a weakness, because it is. However, there is only 1 class in the game able to exploit that weakness, and that is a purely phantasm based mesmer. That build is the only build ever that I have come across and am at a complete loss as to how to beat it. I have been killed by other builds, but can chalk that up to mistakes. The pure phantasm mesmer build I faced completely dismantled this build, and I still have no honest idea how to counter it.
With that being said, only a mesmer phantasm build can pull that off. No other class can do that. Necromancer minions have low hp, and so they get wiped out on retaliation damage very quickly. Additionally, the necro minions do so little damage, you barely even notice them.
Rangers can also try to do this, and their pets can actually hurt a bit. The problem is that the pets able to do the high damage have very low hp. They will die quickly on retaliation, and once the pets die, the ranger is out of luck.The reason that the mesmer phantasm build can do it is because of how the phantasms work. The phantasms have enough hp that they are difficult for my build to kill them quickly. They also hit very hard, and in large chunks (swordsmen) meaning retaliation damage will not kill them. Even if they do die, they can be resummoned quickly to continue doing the damage.
You’re right. I was beaten thrice yesterday by a phantasm mesmer utilizing the swordsman. Even then, it took a really long time. I was thinking to myself that if I had my own phantasm build (like I used to), I would not be having this problem. But well….I guess every build needs to have its counter eh?
Overall I’ll still run with this build because of how much fun it is. Thieves are suddenly zero threat, elementals don’t know what hit them and rangers just auto attack themselves to death. That’s worth more than being whacked by the odd phantasm mesmer.