1/2: Pew, Pew. Moose clearly know how to aim trebs.
3: Moose never back down from a fight.
4: Firing the moosapultssssssss~
5: Cue Epic Golem Army.
6: Following our majestic moose leader into battle!
7: My People Need Me o/
8: Finale. We jumped off for the hell of it after this, man and beast alike! The pile of dead was like none other.
All in all, epic night. Thanks GoM!
From the pics it looks like a bunch of overkill on pvdoor.. *yawn
It’s stupid that Necros can completely negate fall damage.
In that case it’s stupid that Ele’s can avoid any damage with invulnerability, or move 2400 range near instantly, or heal from almost 0 to full also near instantly while Necro can’t do anything like that.
Ya know I thought it was only sf who were the bums, but now I realize its fc and et too… Which disappoints me. And I don’t think we’re coming down soon….
Where is that second screenshot of WvW from?
Also, NSP, please please please start killing HoD.
lol. Why does everyone think NSP is the big powerhouse of t7.. Actually all 3 servers are quite evenly matched, though this week HOD has been outnumbering us most of the time. I’ve actually seen outmanned buff for the majority of the day in EBG on Sun/Mon.
Coming from t8, I can say for sure ET/FC don’t have a clue what they are wishing for wanting any t7 server to come down. All 3 servers outnumber SF and will still roflstomp t8.
For one, stun breaks don’t remove immobilize(please learn how the game works before engaging in arguments about it!). Secondly, the arrow cart hits more then one time. Third, adding more then one AC into the equation is when it gets into ‘lockdown’ mode, people only have so many condition removals.
So using condition removal on immobilize would essentially be “breaking the stun”.
Immobilize isn’t a stun, and a condition removal isn’t a stun breaker, so no. Using the right terms when discussion game mechanics is recommended.
I think this might actually be more broken than Confusion.
Are you kidding me? 5 AC’s, 5 Warriors, near-perma Immobilize and you don’t see an issue?
This is obviously broken and if you can’t see it then you have little to no WvW experience.
I don’t see an issue, If your playing with out a way to break the Immobilize then thats poor planing on your part. Personally I would rather play the game a try to find a counter to the issue then cry on the forums till anet changes it.
To comment on someones WvW experience just because they don’t agree with you is quite silly. A lot of anets nerfs are based off the player base crying that something is over powered or broken when in reality its the lack of peoples ability to adapt. In this discussion on arrow carts, if you get hit by a arrow cart and get Immobilized, use your stun break to get out, dodge and your good. Now if you feel the need to go back in and get immobilized to death…well maybe you should rethink how your attacking the gate.
For one, stun breaks don’t remove immobilize(please learn how the game works before engaging in arguments about it!). Secondly, the arrow cart hits more then one time. Third, adding more then one AC into the equation is when it gets into ‘lockdown’ mode, people only have so many condition removals.
What a great thread! Thanks for bringing this topic up. I’ve often wished I could listen to great music for the battles. I particularly like the plug.dj thing! I have a few questions about how that works. Like, do you get to select from a playlist, or is it a stream that you just join into? This seems like it wouldn’t be a drag on your puters system either. My rig isn’t bad, but it’s just not as new and bawss as I would like. I really need to beg alienware to send me a ‘test’ rig. :p….. yeah that’s gonna happen /eyeroll. lol
I created a playlist using itunes. Saved it. Named it using the list on the link (ambient, etc). And put it in the proper folder.
I only changed the music for character select screen, battles and boss battles because i otherwise like the GW2 music and i didnt want to lose all of it.
It for me made the already enjoyable wvw… insanely fun.
Wow, really cool I’ve avoided listening to music while playing because my comp would strain too much in wvw with anything else running. Thanks.
Hahahaha so many tears from so many bads! Nerf was obvious, my main is a thief. Good. Deal with it, it’s deserved.
In this topic, there are more people who are obviously mad@thieves saying this comment then there is thieves actually complaining about the nerf. Just lol. Btw, if you are bad, good thieves are still gonna crap on ya.
People will just get more mad at thieves ending up being forced to reset combat more often now, instead of being able to chain some CND’s on a group and stay in the mix of things.. Now they will just hit and run even more then some already do. Myself, I use a more balanced build and almost always attack from stealth anyways and have enough evasion to keep me alive during my reveals, so I will just go on as normal being annoying.
The only thing this will impact me on is being able to harass a catapult in the middle of a huge zerg.. I still will be able to but I’ll have to withdraw myself more often now.
Leveling in WvW doesn’t have anything to do with what class you are to be honest.. You don’t get a lot of exp from kills(except for in the case of defending tower/keeps in which case just hop on some siege), you get it from the events. Some of the fastest ways include having a small group doing circles around the map flipping supply camps or repairing a wall that is under constant treb attack (pls use supplies from a camp, not from the tower/keep).
All the chars listed in my sig were primarily leveled in wvw, except for the necro which did some pve because I was on a server during that week that I didn’t like the WvW of.
1. What manner of devilry is this NSP? Ah, the old flame ram in the road to delay the opponent who will undoubtedly take screenshots tactic. Or could it be HoD…
5. More flame rams in unexpected places. But now we know how to deal with them. Don’t think they expected us to flank the flame rams.
I believe i have found your culprits. Except now they have developed the technology of the Wall Ram!
LOL XOXO is recruiting btw NSP’ers… We just set up a new guild, and obviously we know how to have fun! Oh btw, Vio was so upset that you kept making arrow carts to kill his rams you made him /cry.
Good times out there tonight in the GOM BL, thanks for the fights all.
Will you people shut up about culling? It’s not a factor in the vast majority of thief encounters unless that thief is also in a very large group. The thief who’s destroying you 1v1 near the supply camp isn’t subject to culling, you can’t see him because of Cloak and Dagger.
This is not true, easily seen as a ranger because as soon as you exit stealth my pet takes off to eat you. You render 1 vs 1 in wvwvw in approx 2secs after the pet charges. My machine is not low end and I usually run 115fps without the 60fps limiter.. So culling does affect w3 even in small scale scenarios. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Culling limits the number of characters reported to your client. In your scenario that limit is zero, which is silly.
It may be silly, doesnt stop it from being true.
I have tested it numberous times, so much so I’ve started telling people to follow the pet when trying to find a thief.
Of course it stops it from being true. The fact that you ever see an enemy proves it false. If culling kicked in at one enemy onscreen the game would be unplayable.
Quote from the blog-
Additionally, there were side effects of culling which could result in stealth characters getting up to two seconds of additional invisibility when coming out of stealth. By removing culling, we’ve been able to eliminate these negative side effects and greatly increase the epic feel of large WvW battles.
This happens in small scale as well as large scale. I’ve seen hundreds of time in a 1v1 2v2 etc, seeing the black swirl that pops up when you lose stealth – yet the enemy didn’t appear for another 1-2 seconds, yet I was able to target that which I couldn’t see by spamming tab. Which btw, from playing 2 stealth classes I know that I actually am supposed to become visible right at the start of that swirl animation.
“When attacking a tower, you press your aoe ability, and aim the center of the circle (the mouse) near the very lip of the wall. This gets you ~50% of the aoe over the edge and able to hit enemies on it.”
Wouldn’t that mean that as a defender, I would only see semi-circles on the battlements? I’ll look more closely tonight, but my impression was that the circles were full circles or almost full circles, which really confused me as to how one might target to accomplish that.
The circles were definitely not the larger diameter that elementalists use (with blasting staff trait upgrade) and they primarily put conditions on me, not only dd. I’ll have to pay closer attention to see which conditions.
Any mesmers out there have any idea how you target the top of battlements for maximum effect?
Or perhaps the circles are even ranger/necro or other classes AOE…I see tons of red circles on the ground during zerg battles and, other than the mesmer domes, I haven’t figured out how to tell one red circle from another or predict what conditions/damage the circles will cause.
The only real direct damage AOE a Mesmer has is Chaos Storm. They could put a Feedback or NullField up there but that would only cause Confusion for conditions, if traited in Glamour.
Was it Necromancer marks? Did they have green icons in the middle of the circles? Was there an arrow cart outside, did you get bleeds and cripple? Otherwise most likely an Ele or Ranger.
When HoD is taking NSP’s EB keep, please stay away. You come in and attack us, nobody gets to take the keep.
I assure you, we’re just passing through, and you can attack a paper Keep afterwards.
Oh, please don’t blame GOM for HOD’s fail. That fight was lost in the lord room in the first place, long before GOM came to visit.
For those who weren’t there. This is when HOD showed up to our keep with 30-50 people and 10ish golems.. Hard to know accurate numbers because of the massive culling, but was enough people to cause us all skill lag (while we were running outmanned buff on our side).
I’m sorry, I can’t see past all the Gate of Madness Invaders in those screenshots to see your point.
GoM was attacking us from behind with 30+ before the inner gate was at half.
You probably couldn’t see them because of the “massive culling” but they were there from the moment we opened your keep to attempt to leech off of our efforts.
Oh my mistake. Well don’t feel bad, they came back shortly after with a horde of golems and didn’t even make it from the outer to inner gate.
And tbh, I didn’t even notice the GOM tags in my own SS’s lol, oh well been a long day of wvw.. All I can see is red names that need to die.
When HoD is taking NSP’s EB keep, please stay away. You come in and attack us, nobody gets to take the keep.
I assure you, we’re just passing through, and you can attack a paper Keep afterwards.
Oh, please don’t blame GOM for HOD’s fail. That fight was lost in the lord room in the first place, long before GOM came to visit.
For those who weren’t there. This is when HOD showed up to our keep with 30-50 people and 10ish golems.. Hard to know accurate numbers because of the massive culling, but was enough people to cause us all skill lag (while we were running outmanned buff on our side).
He was a staff mesmer, but none of the staff skills apply fear. No flame rams. And yes, it was confusing, that’s exactly what I did there
But honestly, I just threw that part in because every time someone makes one of these threads everyone else is like “maybe you were just confused in the heat of the moment and it was really four staff necros that looked like one mesmer!” or, “maybe in the heat of the moment you didn’t see four thieves steal fear from four allied necros and use it on you!”
I’m convinced it is nightmare runes. Already made a thread on the bug forum, mods feel free to shut this one down so we don’t have 80 mesmers using nightmare runes on every server.
Seems a heck of a lot more likely then a very popular rune having a drastic bug that nobody has ever noticed..
I guess I shouldn’t assume that doesn’t work in WvW. I’ll have to test it. I can barely imagine that perma fear is allowed in WvW and no one is using it, though. I mean, it would be absolutely gamebreaking. Instant zerg destruction with 2-3 people using these.
I’ve just tested, thankfully they don’t seem to work in WvW.
He was a staff mesmer, but none of the staff skills apply fear. No flame rams. And yes, it was confusing, that’s exactly what I did there
But honestly, I just threw that part in because every time someone makes one of these threads everyone else is like “maybe you were just confused in the heat of the moment and it was really four staff necros that looked like one mesmer!” or, “maybe in the heat of the moment you didn’t see four thieves steal fear from four allied necros and use it on you!”
I’m convinced it is nightmare runes. Already made a thread on the bug forum, mods feel free to shut this one down so we don’t have 80 mesmers using nightmare runes on every server.
I fail to understand how a number 2 that interrupt without counter (mesmer,elem,thief) is better then the best counterable number 2 (guardian). Guardian have the best number 2 between Ranger,engineer,necromancer,warrior. So I think them as an example. No engineer, Guardian.
Yet if they have more then 5 entites around them, if they are blinded, if the stomper have stability, if the invul stomp him, he is dead.
But Mesmer, Elem and Thief have guaranted escape. You shouldn’t fail it if you don’t push it too soon.
That’s the diference between a good Interrupt, and an average one.
Nothing else matter for the number 2.
Mesmer and Thief #2 is not guaranteed. The Mesmer one a lot of the time will teleport you still in range of the stomp, I’ve gotten a lot of spikes this way on Mesmers.
Secondly the Thief one is easily countered with any teleport or shadow step, you can also do this against a Mesmer if the timing is right.
I see you continue to miss the point of why we had to lose the keep and let whatever happened to EB happen.
Actually I get it. That is why I am making fun of it. You had to loose the Keep to get your siege cleared. Makes sense. And I see the only way to let your keep fall was not to hold anything anywhere at all. That makes sense too. As some would say. Brilliant battle plan. Excellent strategy. We could stop them other places because we are so awesome, and funnel them to the keep. I mean they suck so bad we could stop them whenever we want. No I have a better plan!! Lets all hide in the keep let them take everything and then jump out and yell surprise!!! Hey that’s a great idea!!
Well your plan worked! Well would have worked, HH doesn’t stick around on stuff they take. Well long enough to take a picture. So i guess when you jumped out and yelled surprise no one was probably there.
Well generally the keep gets taken last, especially in a pvdoor environment. Pretty much almost always every server I’ve ever seen takes all the towers then hits the keep.
As to your last post, why would NSP need siege to kill 15 bads?
Let me try to explain to you (“dude”) what the OP and others were referring to. Follow closely because you seem to have difficulty with this stuff. Let’s say that you are a member of Ferguson’s Crossing in Tier 8 and you are normally fighting Sorrow’s Furnace there. Somebody from Sorrow’s Furnace either gets a second account and rolls an additional character on Ferguson’s Crossing, or he temporarily transfers one of his characters to Ferguson’s Crossing. He tags along with one of your teams when you capture Durios in EB. As soon as the tower flips to Ferguson’s Crossing he starts building five ballistas inside the tower on the ground right behind the gate using supplies from the depot there. The ballistas are useless, he wastes the depot supply building them, you and the rest of your team cannot build anything within 500 units, and if he keeps it up the tower never gets upgraded. No defensive cata behind the gate, no defensive arrow carts on the wall, and possibly not even anything on the supply shed … nothing within 500 units. He does all of this simply because his real allegiance is to Sorrow’s Furnace, not Ferguson’s Crossing.
It’s sabotage, not defense, and there is no way to stop it. You can’t even kill the unwanted siege since as far as ANet is concerned it was built by a member of your own team. If you still don’t understand please don’t bother replying.
I think you’re a month too late….read this https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Willing-to-share-WvW-details about siege despawning….furthermore; you can’t just temporary transfer from another server unless you have another gw2 account. I’m guessing you haven’t tried “guesting” yet. While you are guesting to another server, you cannot participate in World versus World for that world; you will be moved back to your home world. You should try and it won’t hurt your currency or account.
*sigh Maybe a picture will help you understand.
And these have been here for at least 12 hours with nobody touching them (several of us baby sat them for hours to make sure nobody refreshed them).
Because of all this useless siege, we are at the siege cap on the map and cannot build more to defend towers or assault anything.
Btw there is plenty more that I couldn’t fit in one screencap.
@anthsss… so you think that these gliches only affected NSP and HoD.. and you think that only because GoM won ( as if there is some rule book out there that states GoM cant win unless cheating occurs )
Well you see there, the thing is BOTH times this happened. The WHOLE wvw world ended up blue for hours. I’m not sayin GOM cheated or caused it, I’m just pointing out that it was a major part of the reason you caught up in score.
Oh btw about the spy thing. I DOUBT it was anyone from HOD or GOM. NSP has it’s own large share of moronic trolls for one, secondly if it was anyone from another server it would be AR lol.. But my money is on trolls from our own server.
You should just transfer somewhere that you can have fun at. Server pride is one thing, but sticking it out when you are not enjoying the game for months on end is just insanity. Those serious about WvW should face the fact that Ferg is dead, and move on, that is if you want to actually enjoy the game.
I know it’s sad, but it’s true.
I cannot leave Ferguson’s Crossing, I have made too many friends here and already have established myself in the server. I know it may seem crazy to you but, I am not leaving.
Well then, gather them all and move together, go make a real difference on a server where you have a chance for fun. I loved Ferg too, but I realized it was stuck in a hole it will never get out of, so I had to move on with my friends and find somewhere to enjoy the game.. I know it sucks, but it is what it is.
You should just transfer somewhere that you can have fun at. Server pride is one thing, but sticking it out when you are not enjoying the game for months on end is just insanity. Those serious about WvW should face the fact that Ferg is dead, and move on, that is if you want to actually enjoy the game.
i know that new mathcups can bring some wvw’ers back into the mix as well as a new influx of players,, but i never thought it would bring this much, i have to wonder if we gotten some transfers ,, even noticed that HoD has gotten stronger as well during thier coverage times,,
Yeah it seems like suddenly Wednesday GOM’s numbers doubled. While NSP is a bit fairweather and we lost some activity at the same time. Whil;e I’ve seen HOD bring out some good numbers here and there, I still see them outmanned quite often.
Ah well, I’ve had fun most of the week, doesn’t matter who wins or loses to me.
To the 2 GOM who spent 1-2 hours trebbing WC from SM.. Learn to treb mmkay.. You were hitting an invulnerable wall the entire time and did exactly 0 damage to anything on the tower.
1- The 4 of us NSP are so scary, 10 gom had to keep running back to cannons/npcs/inside keep. (there are at least 5 more who ran inside in this photo)
2- We lost a couple, but that won’t discourage me and Obssession, takes more then that to bring us down.
3- Oops, the other 2 came back. Luckily we had GOM far enough away from the keep we could kill most of them before they made it back inside.
Goodness…some of you NSP guys and gals are waaaay too serious about this whole message board banter.
GoM peeps are here to have fun. Yes…we’ll poke you with sticks and try to get you all riled up, but it’s all in good fun. Like I said earlier, I’m enjoying the fights this week soooo much more than those we’d been stuck in with DH.
So remember: Darkothe is not for teh seriouz intranets. I mean come on…the name of the server should give you a clue as to the people who call GoM home.
Now as to my request about keeping our keeps and towers clean while you’re occupying them: Are we going to need to start charging damage deposits before you all come busting down the doors? Honestly. Some of you behave like you were born in a barn.
I think you just think they are taking it seriously. I haven’t seen anyone doing anything but poking back in a fun way. This is nothing to how we talk to people we actually dislike(coughARcoughRonny).
This has been a great week! These next two days are going to be insane . Lions arch and divinity have been bustling with people talking about wvw. And now we have everyone on the Same page the battles should only get better. Dark haven is ready to rock!
Hyjaxx
Engie of GRIM
NSP is actually fitting into t7 better then you expect.. We did dominate at first but GOM has lately managed to scrounge up some numbers and we are having lots of back and forths.. SM has flipped probably 20 times in 2 days.. We have some issues with NPS prime being at some of GOM offtime and visa versa, but still there is a lot of good fighting going on.
Awww Rob. It’s good to see what you all are up to while we’re at work. Even better to flip it all back to blue once GoM is online and giving you someone to compete with instead of our fabulous doors. And we do have some FABULOUS doors on our towers and keeps!
Kinda like what GOM did overnight eh? It goes both ways…
Yes. But we, at least, give you FABULOUS doors to knock on when we’re away. You’re welcome.
Yes but we leave pies in our keeps and towers lord rooms.. The least you could do is provide snacks for the soldiers.
Awww Rob. It’s good to see what you all are up to while we’re at work. Even better to flip it all back to blue once GoM is online and giving you someone to compete with instead of our fabulous doors. And we do have some FABULOUS doors on our towers and keeps!
Kinda like what GOM did overnight eh? It goes both ways…
Shame on the 2 GoM players from [Sans] Guild.
We were trying to duel you, 1 at a time, or even 2 on 2, but you kept retreating into the camp (Danelon) or tower (QL), we even allowed you to res when we downed you and your turned 2v1 when my partner went afk. bad form.
lol don’t expect a fair duel with them guys, no point in wanting to duel them anyways as they are so bad. One Sans Thief waited outside SM while I was just standing there inbetween it and the sentry, until 4 other guys showed up.. Then they all bumrushed me and after a 5 minute fight with me downing some of them several times, they all ran away..
Well I might have to take back a little of what I said. I had to wait to get into GoMs EB tonight?? Wth??
NSP abused us while we tried to hold SM. Once HoD had SM for a bit every one pretty much went to their standard corners and tried to hang on to what they had. Good times.
Barely saved the keep from those mean ole NSP zerg trying a bum rush after taking SM. Got to the Lord but didn’t get him down. Phew.
Seemed pretty even, in numbers, out there most the time. Hope everyone had as much fun as I did tonight.
And It is good to be home. I missed you guys. Yeah someone actually paid to come WvW on Gates of Madness. Crazy I know, no one ever said I was all that bright.
Yeah I was gonna post some SS’s to dispute GOM’s claim that they didn’t have any people, guess there’s no need for that now..
Glad to see numbers on all 3 sides tonight a lot of epic battles were had. GOM I didn’t think you would ever stop throwing your zerg at Klovan.. Was a pretty long epic battle, after which I spent 20 minutes solo repairing the walls and escorting doly’s for the upgrade (which had been almost done for awhile) to go through.
I don’t know if you guys managed to recruit some PVE’rs from Lions Arch or what, but whatever it is, keep it up.
So because some people get screwed up by a bug, everyone should.
When the alternate is those people abusing the exploit to cheat… yes, kick everyone out.
How is playing the game regularly exploiting, you team gets disconnected, the other team keeps playing. You want to punish them for playing the game, not exploiting a bug.
People were unkillable but able to rez any of the other teams / npc’s. That’s the exploiting part.
I find it…interesting to see posts about sportsmanship from the server that tanked their previous tier on purpose in order to drop to a tier in which they had no chance of losing.
I find it funny people believe stupid crap like that.. Maybe Ronny gave up, but the majority of the server was still out there fighting.. But imagine for a second if DH and GOM both decided to focus only on HOD for a week, that’s pretty much what went down.
. Not like GoM doesn’t have its fair share of pvdoor gloaters
Which phase was that btw?