Guild Wars 2

Pre-Reset Pie party.

Looks like we’re opening our massive amounts of threads ahead of time, beating you to the punch mods!

atomicjellybean.5389:

moutzaheadin.4029:

Since everyone seems to be tossing videos I think its time that XOXO to get with the program!!

This goes out to all my 1111211112 guyz , we Love Ya!!

XOXO :“http://tinyurl.com/bne9gdp”

It would have been good if the audio quality didn’t suck

I don’t know what I’m supposed to watch at that link…..

moutzaheadin.4029:

Since everyone seems to be tossing videos I think its time that XOXO to get with the program!!

This goes out to all my 1111211112 guyz , we Love Ya!!

XOXO :“http://tinyurl.com/bne9gdp”

lol wtf is this

I agree that confusion is fine.. But as to it being a Mesmers only option to keep an edge-just no. I would be ok if they removed the confusion triggering on traits effect though.

One thing that should also be looked at is the effect of confusion on Ele’s tornado. As funny as it is when I confusing images one and they go 100% to 0 instantly, it’s not quite fair – and this is with a low condition damage doing only 600ish a tick.

Verras.5013:

long post

Just my thoughts on the matter, carry on.

I’m truley sorry this happens to you and I know how frustrating it is. I’ll just say I have much respect for everything you said in this post and can totally understand the points you make in the second paragraph.

This part:
“It makes it seem like small man groups are for the elites of the elite and casual players have no place.”

Is actually something I never considered and I’m sure am guilty of. I will keep that in mind the more I post about the subject.

You are probably right about the out for blood thing, PvP tag has kind of a stigma on it right now. But just getting the info out there that you guys are out there attempting this might be enough right there to change that. You also have to consider that we may have just got out of a big battle and are just covering our bases by killing you not knowing what is lurking shortly after (because of the stigma of PvP normally zerging).

If you do encounter a group of XOXO and want to try some duels or small group on group fair fights, just show some kind of indication of that.. Jumping around in circles is one way we communicate with the other servers sentiments like that As are friendly emotes(such as stopping at a distance and sitting or bowing). You could also try to /join on one of us with us selected or if you recognize one of us from here (for example my giant norn mesmer – the only one in XOXO) – just send a /w.

That said if you rather set up duels or things like that ahead of time, we would always be glad to oblige to those types of things as well.

Zen.1965:

ChesterWing.5321:

i wasn’t there…. im on “ehmry bay” for the 80th time

Altho im probably going to transfer back to NSP now that sekz guild was deleted so i have no more reason to be here. I’m on vacation atm so i’ll figure everything out when i get back ^>~

Sorry bro, honestly didn’t know. After how ever many closed threads, etc, etc, it’s hard to keep up with specifics of what is said ya know? And that’s cool if you’re coming back to NSP or w.e. Just didn’t really expect someone in a diff server to call out that vid.

Yeah…. that was a sloppy night. Pretty sure I actually gave props to the XOXO/SPCA (is that it? Can’t remember the S guild) on melting my face that night. I think I remember looking at my combat log after the necro hit like “wtf just happened?” but that was a super sloppy night. I was running icon cuz it was more of a “capture a point and hold” mentality than anything. So of course everyone on map was grouping around me. Not usually that sloppy but alcohol has that effect

@dank, dude chill. With a name like yours I figured you’d already be. It’s not like I’m looking for a super balanced match up or anything like that. It’s looking for a tier where our server (SF) isn’t just mindlessly zerging other servers and winning. Need challenge. That’s where points/rating comes in. Like connect the dots man, I didn’t think I needed to do it for you.

Naw man I’m quite chill.. Just trying to get you to understand that it’s going to be like this in every tier. It is every week, in just about every tier. Weekly *maybe 1-3 matches resemble balance out of all 24 servers. I’ve played on just about every tier btw, I actually started the game on HOD when it was the #1 server forever. I purposely moved to lower tiers to get away from that stuff(and the horrendous queues).

A lot of people still don’t realize what they are holding out for months and months for just doesn’t exist. You guys literally suffered 4 months in a stale match in hopes of moving up and having something different. Now you have moved up, it’s still the same thing. You will eventually move up again (it’s going to take awhile judging current ratings fluxuation), and it’s still going to be the same.. Eventually you’ll hit the spot where YOU are now on the hopeless end of things.

This cycle continues over and over.. This is a fact that the majority of all tiers are unbalance and have been, this is supported by statistical data kept on the site I linked earlier.

I want to change peoples mindsets about the game. I want people to realize there is more to the game then “zerg to win, win to move up, zerg to win, win to move up” and so on. I want more people to realize how much more potential for them to have fun there is out there that they aren’t experiencing. I know it’s not an easy task, changing minds – but I don’t care. —This btw is a philosophy you can happily associate with my name.

Zen.1965:

ChesterWing.5321:

Zen.1965:

Done with this joke thread.

Before you go weren’t you that ele that showed he had no understanding of the difference between “diving” and “overextending” in that SPCA + XOXO video of them wiping your zerg? I can’t remember cause i dont have the link anymore and I remember you writing your lifestory about that video before the video came out or smthn

If so, I find it laughable anything you say

ROFL omfg yes! That was me. Don’t remember much of that night. That was SUPER late night, sooo drunk. You guys run around that time usually?

Edit: @dank: It’s not about what’s currently competitive/balanced man. It’s about getting to a point where it isn’t one sided. You understand, right?

Sigh… Again – please show me a match that “isn’t one sided” which btw goes hand and hand with “competitive”. Or more then 1-2 at a time in the entire tier list that wasn’t one sided in any given relatively recent week.

http://mos.millenium.org/matchups#NA

Zen.1965:

Lulz @ PAXA and XOXO trolls xD

Seriously, you guys are funny… ish. Kind of try hards in my opinion but w/e. Btw, PAXA, where was your necro tonight?

Yeah Waggs SS only had whatever, 10-15. There was more. I know, you can see “Razs Lighter waves, cheers, etc”. Yeah, all servers zerg. You’d be severely challenged to argue otherwise. Also, if you interpreted what Waggs said as anymore as a poke to the threads worth (as we’ve had many) of complaining vs zergs, then again I gotta question what you’re smoking and if I could get some.

You troll people kill me xD Mostly because of the self-contradiction. I love that kitten honestly. kitten and complain about how “zerging is not our style” then join up a zerg to spawn camp SF spawn in NSP (coughPAXAcough). Then when the zerg mentality is thrown back at you people, demonstrated, you get all defensive like “we never said we didn’t zerg.” If that’s the case…. Get better at it.

Clearly we have demonstrated there is a difference of tactics, strategy, and even build, when it comes to solo roam vs small group vs zerg. All of which are applicable (which you have just admitted you won’t argue). So stop getting our match up threads closed mmkay?

And this kitten about “oh there’s no reward, oh there’s no money, oh there’s no this and that” about putting significance to points. It’s because we, as a server, want to get to a competitive level. The way this system works is you need WvW rating. SF is used to glicko expecting us to bust out 24/7 500+ rating points for an INCREASE in rating. If we fell below that we’d lose rating. We don’t enjoy the curbstomping we’ve given T8, let alone doing it again in T7. Maintaining the point count accelerates our ascension from this tier (which we can all agree is needed) and reach a tier that is competitive. So don’t act, when you kitten about the outnumbers, the zerging, etc, that there is no point to focusing on points in this match up. Self-contradictory…. Again.

So yeah anyways, keep trolling trolls, you’ll get better eventually. Just like (hopefully) your 5 mans will.

Done with this joke thread.

Please show me a current tier that is competitive other then t8 atm.

kthnxbb

Waggs.1702:

I find it hilarious that everyone is complaining about SF zerging, this came as quite the shock when these kind people came from behind me. I was so shocked that I didn’t know how to react! According to the forums no one else zergs aside from us, so you’ll of course see my utter shock!

First of all, that SS shows only about 10-15 people at most. Secondly we have all agreed that all of the servers run zergs. Another person who completely misses the concept of the discussion at hand.

Bizzy asked me to post his vid for him – He says sorry for potato quality.

silverfire.2547:

dank.3680:

Well sir that is pretty pathetic and you have my condolences. Have fun out there.

No need for condolences — toxic outlook on life or not regarding how it affects others, I still feel great about it and have tons of fun doing it.

You may not think I should feel bad for you now. Eventually you will grow up and realize why I do though. Saying you want to win just because it makes someone else feel bad is absolutely sad and I would not want to have your conscience later in life.

silverfire.2547:

dank.3680:

My point is would that win in Madden mean anything to you if you were playing against a 2 year old who could barely press the buttons let alone provide any kind of strategic or technical challenge. And would you still try as hard to pull off that win rather then just having fun playing against said 2 year old and just messing around.

Not ashamed of admitting I would still try hard against a 2 year old just to win.

Meaningless scoreboard or not, just knowing that at least one person feels disappointed or hurt from not winning makes it worth it to me.

Well sir that is pretty pathetic and you have my condolences. Have fun out there.

moutzaheadin.4029:

In all honesty, they have a point about the scoreboard meaning nothing. But when I play madden or an nhl game online or omfgcodblkopz. I get nothing for winning… Yet , I still want to win. That’s how I feel about this game.

As a matter of fact I want to win at every game I play for the sole fact that I’m just……. Winning.

Does this game cater to zergs , yep! Do I prefer to run in zergs , nope!

But if my server needs me or anyone in XOXO to crank up the timewarp/taxi service for golems.. well we bring all 10 mesmers to help!

I guess I suck , but hey, I do have TW and portal bound to keys!

My point is would that win in Madden mean anything to you if you were playing against a 2 year old who could barely press the buttons let alone provide any kind of strategic or technical challenge. And would you still try as hard to pull off that win rather then just having fun playing against said 2 year old and just messing around.

I use this example because that is essentially what is happening in WvW matchups due to number/coverage imbalances. And not in just tier, but in almost all of them. This week there is only 1 match NA that resembles anything to being a close fight anyone could win.

If the majority of the players continue with the mindset that the only reason for playing is to win, then this game will die (at least the wvw part) sooner then later. Remember that these types of people are the majority even on servers who never stand a chance and eventually they just give up and quit, or transfer to another server causing another imbalance.

After we get past all that – We realize the only reason to run in massive zergs is to win, which we now realize is pointless and actually detrimental to the game. Then we start having more fun, challenging and engaging PvP in a large world scenario.

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

dank.3680:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

dank.3680:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Jscull.2514:

So sitting in tier 8 for 4 months…..40404040440404040404 points ahead of the other two “brothers?” apparently? Was winning for you guys? 4 months of no one to fight and taking a tower back 3 minutes after it was taken from you? And what Skarloc said is false about the scoreboard and tier system? Righhhhhhttttttttttt

LOL, that was the ranking system, not the scoreboard. Nice try on twisting my words though.

I could be wrong, but the way I understood it was that the ranking system was directly tied to the scoreboard and that rank points were decided by the difference in the scoreboard scores at the end of a match.

Oh, btw way to completely avoid his relevant point and respond with nonsense.

What was the relevant point? Sorry, I must have missed what you are talking about.

As for the ranking system and scoreboard, that all became tweaked when the free transfers stop was announced and folks mass transferred to (I forget, think it was Kaineg) who then proceeded to win by triple or higher scores, crushing ET and FC rankings into oblivion. Thus, when we started winning in T8, our ranking was getting screwed due to the artificially low rankings of ET and FC. We could win by more than double their combines scores and barely gain ranking or even lose ranking.

So while they might be ties together, outside influences caused severe issues. I never said all that was perfect, I just said what he is saying about the scoring as other people believe being worthless is his opinion, not fact or true. I never even said he was wrong, but it is an opinion, nothing more.

Edit: Also, if you want a true discussion do not try to call me out as avoiding his relevant point and answering with nonsense. What I said made sense in that the scoreboard, the point keeping system for the match-up (which is what we were discussing, not the rankings), is separate from rankings. And he added the Tier system into his post, we had not been discussing that before then.

As for his relevant point, I did not see anything else worth addressing in his post because the rest was obvious sarcasm and him just being obnoxious.

Ok, I guess I’ll spell it out. You say you play to win(play for points on the scoreboard). He pointed out that SF spent 4 months in t8 “winning” against 2 servers who had no chance to do anything other then lose, even if half your population decided not to play. You are now in a tier where you have no chance to lose, and likely will remain here for a long time judging by the current matches and rankings in t-6/7/8. So basically you are playing for an ‘artificial win’. He was pointing out that what you are calling “winning” is no more “winning” then not even playing.

Right. To which I replied, that is his opinion, nothing more. Everyone has their idea of what winning (or not winning) is (points on the board, ranking, 5v5 pvp, whatever). Nobody is really right, nobody is really wrong. I never said he was wrong, I just said it is his opinion, not fact or truth. I guess I also keep pointing that out but I do not know of a way to spell it out better.

A win is not a win when there was no competition to begin with. How can this concept be any simpler? It’s not opinion. We are only calling it a win because there is a scoreboard in the game, but it is really not.

It’s like I could challenge my 8 and 9 year old kids to a basketball game with a regulation hoop and dunk it on them for a 21-0 shut out and say I won. But is this really a “win”?

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

dank.3680:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Jscull.2514:

So sitting in tier 8 for 4 months…..40404040440404040404 points ahead of the other two “brothers?” apparently? Was winning for you guys? 4 months of no one to fight and taking a tower back 3 minutes after it was taken from you? And what Skarloc said is false about the scoreboard and tier system? Righhhhhhttttttttttt

LOL, that was the ranking system, not the scoreboard. Nice try on twisting my words though.

I could be wrong, but the way I understood it was that the ranking system was directly tied to the scoreboard and that rank points were decided by the difference in the scoreboard scores at the end of a match.

Oh, btw way to completely avoid his relevant point and respond with nonsense.

What was the relevant point? Sorry, I must have missed what you are talking about.

As for the ranking system and scoreboard, that all became tweaked when the free transfers stop was announced and folks mass transferred to (I forget, think it was Kaineg) who then proceeded to win by triple or higher scores, crushing ET and FC rankings into oblivion. Thus, when we started winning in T8, our ranking was getting screwed due to the artificially low rankings of ET and FC. We could win by more than double their combines scores and barely gain ranking or even lose ranking.

So while they might be ties together, outside influences caused severe issues. I never said all that was perfect, I just said what he is saying about the scoring as other people believe being worthless is his opinion, not fact or true. I never even said he was wrong, but it is an opinion, nothing more.

Edit: Also, if you want a true discussion do not try to call me out as avoiding his relevant point and answering with nonsense. What I said made sense in that the scoreboard, the point keeping system for the match-up (which is what we were discussing, not the rankings), is separate from rankings. And he added the Tier system into his post, we had not been discussing that before then.

As for his relevant point, I did not see anything else worth addressing in his post because the rest was obvious sarcasm and him just being obnoxious.

Ok, I guess I’ll spell it out. You say you play to win(play for points on the scoreboard). He pointed out that SF spent 4 months in t8 “winning” against 2 servers who had no chance to do anything other then lose, even if half your population decided not to play. You are now in a tier where you have no chance to lose, and likely will remain here for a long time judging by the current matches and rankings in t-6/7/8. So basically you are playing for an ‘artificial win’. He was pointing out that what you are calling “winning” is no more “winning” then not even playing.

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Jscull.2514:

So sitting in tier 8 for 4 months…..40404040440404040404 points ahead of the other two “brothers?” apparently? Was winning for you guys? 4 months of no one to fight and taking a tower back 3 minutes after it was taken from you? And what Skarloc said is false about the scoreboard and tier system? Righhhhhhttttttttttt

LOL, that was the ranking system, not the scoreboard. Nice try on twisting my words though.

I could be wrong, but the way I understood it was that the ranking system was directly tied to the scoreboard and that rank points were decided by the difference in the scoreboard scores at the end of a match.

Oh, btw way to completely avoid his relevant point and respond with nonsense.

Funky.4861:

Pfft, confusion is so common to a mesmer; retal is not, and is just another way to mindkitten around ^^

Retal is not common to the mesmer? Please… I know of several different easy ways to keep retal permanently up in combat even with several different build.

atomicjellybean.5389:

Nausicca.6038:

atomicjellybean.5389:

dank.3680:

King Amadaeus.8619:

dank.3680:

1. Why so scared? I just want to hug…
2. Run back to that tower, man I must be super ugly or something..

Speaking of, you guys have a female human d/d ele. I see her/him every night just about and a lot of times it is at a tower doing the same thing, he/she is very good and we have some good fights but if I can ever hit him/her with Corrupt Boon then it is usually “ride the lightning” time back to the tower lol.

That would be Stalagta. To be clear I don’t have an issue with someone running in a tower 1v1 when they are losing, even though I usually don’t even spike people I down who stick around and fight 1v1 to the death.. I just found it amusing all of them ran like that.

But yes Stal is very good, we stole her from HOD .

Wait wtf, you stole stalagta from me? HE WAS MINE, I WAS HIS ROAMING LOVER, YOU SIR ARE A BUM. YOU JUST RUINED MY LIFE

He (she?)‘s mine now.
He’s a really nice person. I’m glad he made the move.

Yes she’s a he, I’ve talked to him in vent. It isn’t permanent is it? I would be disappointed

Oh it’s permanent alright, and he loves his new home btw.

One type of player likes to challenge themselves and try to overcome impossible odds. They actually crave real competition and strive to master each class or whichever class they prefer as much as they possibly can.

Another type of player just wants to be on the winning team. They don’t care if it was a fair fight, or if they had any real contribution in the win. They just want the glory of being the winner.

Which type gets the most out of the game? Which type gets the greater sense of accomplishment when they win a battle? Which type has more fun? Well that’s a matter of personal opinion.

Being (the first type of player) who sometimes runs in zergs, but also does a lot of solo/small group action. I can say personally the gratification I get running with 5 people and taking on 10 and winning is 100x higher then being the last zerg standing in a auto-attack spam off.

I also, btw can get a lot of satisfaction by doing whatever it takes to have my team be the winner in a close hard fought week long match. HOD/NSP/GOM for a long time was like that and it was great trading wins and everyone actually having to try. Being on the winning team of a pre-decided matchup though , offers me little to no satisfaction at all. So keep getting them points, one day months from now you might have to try to win and finally get real satisfaction from it.

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

King Amadaeus.8619:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

moutzaheadin.4029:

15 + people to throw at 1 supply is why people don’t like sf. You do seem to have some nice people after talking to some. But the zerging is just over the top.

So, just to be clear people do not like SF because we have numbers? Not because of anything else?

You do not like us because we can outnumber people. All of your hate and mongering on the other threads is because we have more electronic toons on a server in a datacenter??

Because people like our server (for some reason, don’t ask me, I started on SF because I LOVED the zone in GW1), because of something beyond our control, you do not like us.

If you are not an actual troll and this is the true reason you have acted like you have in previous threads, I feel sorry for you. I really do, no sarcasm, no trolling.

From what I gathered they don’t like the fact that 15 people show up to cap a camp and overpower the 1-5 they may have there defending, when in reality it only takes a couple of players to take a camp.

I know. Thing is I can understand their frustration at wanting to small group pvp. If they are truly standing around and not killing our NPCs or capping a camp, then I totally understand their frustration.

I get their reasoning, it is just different than ours and not a WvW attitude, which is where they are trying to small group pvp. What I have been taking exception to (before today, seems much more civil conversations now) is how they complained/discussed it with the SF bashing, etc.

I also tend to think it is a complete and utter benefit to our server in that: 1. They are not capping or getting points for their server. 2. They are taking up queue space of others who want to cap, get points, etc. I wonder how the other guilds on their server really feel about that…

We don’t have queues. And you can hear it from any of the big guilds on NSP they have tons of respect for XOXO. Because we don’t ONLY run around pvp’ing, we also do a lot for the server, most of us spend a lot of time playing and we only WvW so we tend to switch roles quite a bit.

People seem to lump PAXA and XOXO as one in the same, and as much as I like PAXA and respect the way they want to play.. We are completely different in our attitudes in WvW.

King Amadaeus.8619:

dank.3680:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

osif.8673:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

LOL, probably because you are mocking SF folks, why do you expect people you mock to like said mocking?

I made a satire based on zerg gameplay in general. SF folks have just been the most vocal about it recently.

Oh, was that an old video? Sorry, I assumed you made it for this thread and didn’t even check. My bad.

Edit: We just tend to hear a lot of kittening and whining about the zerg because, well, we zerg. LOL, makes me laugh because it works for now but once we get to a Tier that has more even number we will have to switch to/learn new strategies and tactics because the zerg will not be as powerful. But as the saying goes, if it aint broke, don’t fix it, right?

Ok zerging is fine, and it works to win.. That is great, and I have no problem with it.. The thing I don’t get is say you have 1 NSP guy running around not even capping anything… You are running around in your own BL(that you own all of) with 20 guys and run across him.

Do you 1- LOL LOOT and all run him over or 2- Jump around in circles and someone engages him 1 on 1. SF -always- picks #1, which is annoying.

Another example 3 guys standing outside your tower, obviously not trying to cap it just looking for some pvp. Nothing is going on, your BL is in no danger and you have 6 people in the tower. Do you 1- Hop on ballistas and shoot siege at the group for 20 minutes. Or 2- Jump down and engage them away from guards and have a fun fight. Again, SF always chooses 1.

These are just a couple examples of why I find SF annoying(I could list them all day). Yes I’ve met some cool people on SF, no I don’t hate the whole server or anyone for that matter.

This is just the difference between the servers in this tier atm and why SF gets a lot of flack from us. In all of those scenarios both NSP HOD and GOM have many groups who would have picked option #2, SF doesn’t seem to have any at all..

Again, I don’t hate SF, I don’t have a problem that you have numbers.. I don’t have a problem with you zerging objectives(thats how you take them). I just find it annoying that it seems there is no one at all on the server ever just looking for a fun engaging fight in the open world.

With all due respect, I think you are taking your and maybe your group’s mentality and applying it to your server to “inline it with your way of thinking”…Because I can assure you, that your server does not encourage the 1v1 mentality. I made it a point for the last two days to roam solo and finish my dailys/try out some of your server’s roaming players….What I was met with was, generally speaking, 2v1s or more (IE: 3v1, 4v1 etc)…I did find a few people either alone or looking for a 1v1 and what do you know? Some random from either team would always come in and wipe the other one of us up….And by some random it was rarely just 1 person, and usually after we had fought for a minute or so….

I know this post will likely get two responses right off, 1. not everyone plays the same on your server etc (understandable) and 2. they were probably just random people or grouped with that person or I am just an out and out liar.

Either way, truth be told, I find it much more enjoyable to run around with around 10 people capping things and taking on other groups, much more so than do I running around solo hoping that mesmer’s thief buddy isn’t about to backstab me.

In short, and I DO NOT mean this as an insult, but the “small roaming groups of pvpers” that you guys have is a minute minority of your WvW population. While we do seem to outnumber you in total, no doubt there, you guys have quite a population of zerger’s, in fact that is your majority.

FYI this running around I was doing was on EB (75% and NSP BL 25%)/…..and the NSP BL was borderline unplayable in terms of 1v1s because all I saw were 3-5 man groups mostly guild groups…I actually found more of a 1v1 atmosphere in EB which was surprising…Could have been just a fluke I guess.

No I agree with you, all of the servers have many people with that same mentality. That was why I specifically said “many groups on HOD GOM NSP” rather then just listing the server. We have small group fights that get interrupted by others showing up a lot and usually we will just back off and watch instead of keeping on fighting.

Also, you wont find many of NSP’s roamers or small groups on NSP BL or EBG, those are the zerg maps for us. When I want to help my server and join the zerg, I go to either of those maps and join in on the cap/defend game.

You will probably find us mostly on HOD BL and a lot of time on SF BL depending on who does or does not have massive zergs running around.

King Amadaeus.8619:

dank.3680:

1. Why so scared? I just want to hug…
2. Run back to that tower, man I must be super ugly or something..

Speaking of, you guys have a female human d/d ele. I see her/him every night just about and a lot of times it is at a tower doing the same thing, he/she is very good and we have some good fights but if I can ever hit him/her with Corrupt Boon then it is usually “ride the lightning” time back to the tower lol.

That would be Stalagta. To be clear I don’t have an issue with someone running in a tower 1v1 when they are losing, even though I usually don’t even spike people I down who stick around and fight 1v1 to the death.. I just found it amusing all of them ran like that.

But yes Stal is very good, we stole her from HOD .

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

osif.8673:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

LOL, probably because you are mocking SF folks, why do you expect people you mock to like said mocking?

I made a satire based on zerg gameplay in general. SF folks have just been the most vocal about it recently.

Oh, was that an old video? Sorry, I assumed you made it for this thread and didn’t even check. My bad.

Edit: We just tend to hear a lot of kittening and whining about the zerg because, well, we zerg. LOL, makes me laugh because it works for now but once we get to a Tier that has more even number we will have to switch to/learn new strategies and tactics because the zerg will not be as powerful. But as the saying goes, if it aint broke, don’t fix it, right?

Ok zerging is fine, and it works to win.. That is great, and I have no problem with it.. The thing I don’t get is say you have 1 NSP guy running around not even capping anything… You are running around in your own BL(that you own all of) with 20 guys and run across him.

Do you 1- LOL LOOT and all run him over or 2- Jump around in circles and someone engages him 1 on 1. SF -always- picks #1, which is annoying.

Another example 3 guys standing outside your tower, obviously not trying to cap it just looking for some pvp. Nothing is going on, your BL is in no danger and you have 6 people in the tower. Do you 1- Hop on ballistas and shoot siege at the group for 20 minutes. Or 2- Jump down and engage them away from guards and have a fun fight. Again, SF always chooses 1.

These are just a couple examples of why I find SF annoying(I could list them all day). Yes I’ve met some cool people on SF, no I don’t hate the whole server or anyone for that matter.

This is just the difference between the servers in this tier atm and why SF gets a lot of flack from us. In all of those scenarios both NSP HOD and GOM have many groups who would have picked option #2, SF doesn’t seem to have any at all..

Again, I don’t hate SF, I don’t have a problem that you have numbers.. I don’t have a problem with you zerging objectives(thats how you take them). I just find it annoying that it seems there is no one at all on the server ever just looking for a fun engaging fight in the open world.

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

osif.8673:

Nausicca.6038:

I’m sorry Osif, but you used more than one skill agains’t that door.
Try again, I’m sure you can do it !

I also enjoyed the auto-attack with confusion on you. Very well done !

edit: O.o I missed the portal part.

I know, I have a lot to learn. I’m not really good at this WvW stuff and am still trying to learn. All the WvW videos I see have clicking in it so I’m trying to switch over and blow all my utilities at the same time. I’m still trying to get used to not using my weapon abilities as much but that’s something I’ll just have to learn as I go. My play is by no means perfect, and it fails me many times (I just edited the video for the parts where it worked really well). I think I’m getting better but I have a long way to go!

To each their own, it really comes down to what is most comfortable to you that gets the job done. I use a combo of keyboard and then clicking where it is needed. I think my use of the mouse for looking/movement is a holdover from Unreal Tournament when I used to play that ALOT. It didnt change with GW1 and I still find myself clicking alot when things get hectic and my fingers decide to hit ~ instead of 1 or W instead of 2, etc. Makes for some interesting moves while in combat!

My biggest mis-press which happens a lot is my E key, which happens to be bound to my elite so it is really annoying to waste that skill when I don’t need it.

osif.8673:

dank.3680:

He also showed great discipline with his 1 skill spam, that is a very complicated skill don’t underestimate it.

Also notice how I drop 2 portals down right on top of each other so when enemies run through it nothing happens because I don’t use any glamour traits. I’m specc’d for WvW not this PvP stuff these 5 man groups are talking about.

I thought you were trying to juke the gate…

King Amadaeus.8619:

Verras.5013:

osif.8673:

I also tried this whole “winning” thing that everyone keeps mentioning and made a video of it for anyone interested. You guys are lucky I don’t care about winning or else you’d all be screwed!

http://youtu.be/KXR82wT3Bnk

That video has to be the funniest mockery of SF I’ve seen on the forums to date. Sure, it’s a mockery and stuff take it at face value. No need to hate on it, it’s genuinely funny and I enjoyed the text. Made me laugh. Also, very wise choice of music.

It was very funny and cool, those guys are pretty funny and cool for sure!

Ewww you dripped some of your sarcasm on me YUK GET IT OFF!!!

1. Why so scared? I just want to hug…
2. Run back to that tower, man I must be super ugly or something..

King Amadaeus.8619:

osif.8673:

I also tried this whole “winning” thing that everyone keeps mentioning and made a video of it for anyone interested. You guys are lucky I don’t care about winning or else you’d all be screwed!

http://youtu.be/KXR82wT3Bnk

I get it…It is funny because you clicked all your skills, and then face rolled them at the tower boss. That is SUPER funny guy, you are so funny and cool. You play a mesmer too, which is a tough class, so I am stoked that you posted this video I think I could gain some knowledge watching your prowess.

Man, great video bro, so effin funny and cool.

He also showed great discipline with his 1 skill spam, that is a very complicated skill don’t underestimate it.

King Amadaeus.8619:

moutzaheadin.4029:

Here is what bothers me about SF.

I fight 2 people over the enemy south camp. Kill ICE commander and another + all npcs. So i think , hey good fight , was fun. I hang out there figuring they would be back. They bring back 8-9. lol some how i killed all 9. Was fun but very iffy with that many people to fight. So im like, ill wait some more! this is a blast. waiting …. waiting …. waiting … then BLAM!!!!

ZERG MUCH ?

Just to be clear, you killed 2 people and the NPCs and I am assuming you capped the camp?

Then 8 or 9 of them come back for revenge and you slay them all?

Then the “BLAM” is 11 of them? With none of them downed?

Or of course did you take this after they rezzed the 8-9 that you previously were able to kill solo? Also why is the camp not still yours, or did you not cap/or they capped after downing you?

Also looks as if (judging by your text box) you had some help, so were you not saying you solo’d 8-9 people? Or did I misunderstand you?

8-9 is pretty epic if so…

He solo’d 8-9 people. He lost the second time around when they brought more. Me and Lee were in EBG at the time talking about another fight altogether.

I’m lazy to find and quote the post but it has been answered by Anet and it is 5% total.

1. HOD park rangers don’t take kindly to foreigners hunting on their land!

2. Oh crap, the rangers again quick hide the deer corpses.

3. Spontaneous jump contest!! (ps savier you can count the dots in the first 2 SS if you like )

Had a blast during our hunt tonight.. TY HOD for the fun… Ty SF for watching/emoting the third battle we had by your tower instead of crashing our party!

P.S. – I <3 headshot.

Jace.6973:

[MoB] had lots of fun tonight in WvW. This is a quick edit that a guildie did. I do believe that this is worth the watch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2F49X8X27T8

EDIT: Kilaeyla.1420 video is different then this link, this link is the battle, hers is the after party

“I must go now, my planet needs me”.. I was wishing you had slow-mo that part because it was epic.

Kilaelya.1420:

dank.3680:

I Monk For L O V E.7528:

Kilaelya.1420:

Groovy man. Let’s hang out together again some time.

This must be photoshopped, this many people from opposing servers in T7 cant possibly be getting along

NSP and HOD get along just fine.

I had to put it together as a video, we had a pretty good time.

http://youtu.be/EOzEFPYXXNw

Is this some kind of ritual? lol’d

Toble.2968:

dank.3680:

Scumbag Mawile.6384:

You made me nearly 10g and 12k WXP in 3ish hours.

Well not “you”, because I rarely spend any time in EBG – Like 20 mins early in the day today is all.

Ran with the zerg today wiping SF off our land and reclaiming – Boring but profitable.

P.S-
SF don’t you know when you aren’t wanted! (pic)

That is one sexy Asura right there. Too bad this screen shot couldn’t be taken on Os rock where all those hot writhing pantsless bodies were.

(Badpic Dank. Badpic.)

Yeah you meanies ruined the shot I wanted.. Then even worse, after I took this fail pic where my guy turned I repositioned and took another which I thought was good. When I looked at it, someone had stealthed me-

Quite unhappy with my photography tonight.

Scumbag Mawile.6384:

You made me nearly 10g and 12k WXP in 3ish hours.

Well not “you”, because I rarely spend any time in EBG – Like 20 mins early in the day today is all.

Ran with the zerg today wiping SF off our land and reclaiming – Boring but profitable.

P.S-
SF don’t you know when you aren’t wanted! (pic)

I Monk For L O V E.7528:

Kilaelya.1420:

Groovy man. Let’s hang out together again some time.

This must be photoshopped, this many people from opposing servers in T7 cant possibly be getting along

NSP and HOD get along just fine.

moutzaheadin.4029:

I wonder if the Google copypasta translata can handle this!

Fsa reaa a unchba foa nskilledua umdas , leasepa pamsa orema neoa. Ouya addiebas.

Ovela aya.

SF are a bunch of unskilled -dums?- please spam more one. You baddies.

Love ya.

I fail to translate that one word.

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

dank.3680:

I respect you. You’ve put up with a lot of bashing over the video and misconceptions about the meaning of your post and kept a level head the entire time while also showing respect where deserved and agreeing to the points you were initially wrong about. Kudos

I feel bad about causing more drama, ideally it was trying to ignore the trolls and reign in the topic back to the fights we were having. I think Nicolatte.5360 might have a point about videos and feats until we’ve settle with our match a bit more. So, lesson learned there.

Your sentiment is appreciated though (not what I was expecting from XOXO). I have yet to encounter you guys in battle yet as well, hopefully that will be less dramatic than our PAXA incident, yet still fun when it does happen.

Well XOXO players are quite dynamic. Contrary to what many SF believes so far I’m sure, but as a whole we are all very nice and friendly players… Some of us get involved in the trolling but we are almost always not being serious about it just having some fun. All of us actually have many friends on all the servers we have faced in WvW, I even have a few I’ve met on SF so far. And we really aren’t elitists like has been mentioned, though we do pride ourselves on what we do well, which we will always admit is not everything.

I’ve actually had quite a few skirmishes that involved SEED and some of the players did stand out as being good players to me.

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

Skarloc.2569:

Words…

We have no ill will against you, at all. We’d just seen your posts on the forums and were excited to encounter PAXA. We didn’t know you had just fought the NSP group that we previously fought out of the tower, and we weren’t calling you out other than to ask where you guys went.

You dismissed us and we responded showing that we had in fact fought you. That is all. We had fun. You don’t need to defend yourself, we had fun, you guys left, we were a bit bummed, that was it.

If PAXA did work their way through NSP back up to us and hold us as well as you guys did for the time you were there, that’s a statement in itself of how well grouped up you are, it’s just too bad we didn’t get to fight against that.

I look forward to encountering you guys again sometime.

I respect you. You’ve put up with a lot of bashing over the video and misconceptions about the meaning of your post and kept a level head the entire time while also showing respect where deserved and agreeing to the points you were initially wrong about. Kudos

Varconi.1804:

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

Varconi.1804:

Clearly my eyes are deceiving me I will trust you over what I watched.

Give me a timestamp at which point PAXA visibly downs or kills someone. Prove your point with facts instead of adwords and injecting bias beforehand.

Anyway, the end point was that we wanted to fight PAXA, but they turned tail and didn’t show up again that night, so it was dissapointing. No one said anything about them failing or us owning them.

You are claiming that noone gets downed in your video? ROFL watch it again try 10 secs in for the first revive to pop up wait a few more for the others.

Well since he wants a specific – Furan Freespirit[Boh] gets downed at 13 seconds in.

Anyways, nice defense on the tower looked like a fun fight for the NSP part wish I was there.

eithinan.9841:

Heijincks.9267:

This depromotes zerging which is kind of killing WvW. In a way, I see it as a good thing.

Then lets get the thief or mesmer back to where it was early on in the game. Then there will be no zergs only solo thieves and mesmers roaming…

or make the arrow cart immobilize for everyone not just warriors who sacrificed 10 trait points.

or make the leg spec. a 30 point trait like they did shadow rejuvenation(i think) on thieves.

Well I am ok with the whole Leg Specialist working for arrow carts (as well as all the other class interactions that happen with siege). I just want to point out that taking Leg Specialist is not really a “sacrifice” as I consider the trait a good pick for many of my Warrior builds.

Silk.8302:

yea can you send me SS of the PVP players and also please check if its just not the tag and it is actually Players Killing Players

Naw it wasn’t any of your people he is mistaken. It was a little joke guild I made just messing around with a couple of your guys we were fighting out there with the tag PvP on it.

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

THE Dentist.5960:

Weird thing 1 ND guild transfer and 2 PVP guild transfers to our server. They were with us fighting at SF spawn in our BL last night. Will never turn away anyone who wants to transfer, but one has to wonder, “Is it genuine that they wanted a change of scenery, OR is it one of the new TACTICS SF has been trying out?”

Also to the guild leaders of ND and PVP:

If a guildie transfers to a rival server what are your policies? Guesting is one thing, a complete paid transfer is another. Heck even if you are thinking of getting away from the zerg server and looking to have more fun with us by moving the whole guild this way, I am cool with that too. But if it is a way to spy on our movements, much shame.

To be fair, if one of my guildies has transferred to another server that we are fighting, its an instant kick from the guild.

We ran into an issue similar to this frequently in t8, are you sure they were the same guild and not just the same tag? We had several guilds in t8 with the same tags, I think I’ve also noticed a [KING] guild on HoD. You should get some caps next time if that is the case.

Also, I don’t think I am familiar with an ND guild on Sorrows Furnace, at least off the top of my head.

I talked to one of the ND guys. He said they wanted to try out the scene from our side of the fence. He mentioned ND is primarily a small man roamer guild and are considering moving away from the zerg focused server.

Pizz.3698:

Wafflez.8460:

This is your big paxa fail? I count atleast 15 guys there, plus npc commander which can 1 shot people and actually did to one of the paxa guys. So 15 plus commander vs their 5 and you expected them to win?

If you’d learn to count there’s 5-6[Seed] 2 dead pugs and 3 more pugs, one of you died on the boss platform, 5 of you just ran away and an extra 3 of you died on the bridge and before the platform. We never implied fails all we said is we saw you, we killed most of you and you just disappaered from the map.

Cosa, Boh, HCG, NOBL, DUSK, Ship, WD, LYSS, EX, BR, TH, ICE-

These are the tags I can pick out (from people who are alive). If we assume it’s only 1 person with each of those tags (which it wasn’t for some), and add 6 Seed we have at least 18 people (alive at first) + a super OP NPC fighting 5 PAXA who managed to down several people and even secure some spikes. I say it was a pretty good show, good job PAXA.

Sadistis.4257:

Great Fights SPCA in victors south camp in SFBL that was 5 my guild [Gore] and 2 randoms vs your party 1 XOXO and 1 HoD engineer who kept trying to gank our guys in the back lol, was a fun brawl and i hope you come back for another

lol yeah fun stuff.. It might have started as 5 of you but more kept rolling in At the end you guys ended up with a lot there lol… Those hammer warriors are annoying btw

Silk.8302:

dank.3680:

Pizz.3698:

Not sure if a record was broken here? 2 thread with the last one having 16 pages, both shut down. Gj guys ! :-P

Naw we’ve gotten 3 closed before, one to go for the tie.

For the record since I was sleeping and didn’t get to respond to some posts-

I never claimed all of SF was bad.
I never claimed I was great. I win some I lose some, but I do claim to be skilled at the game and capable of more then running with a zerg.

My big post about balancing tier8 to immediately move into a fun match instead of spending 5 months in boring matches was not a troll and was a genuine thought. Frankly the “server loyalty” doesn’t mean much to me, I more of a “tier loyalty” guy. It’s quite common for me to have many players from both opposing servers on my friend list (hod/gom for example). Our guild actually has several members that joined us by moving from one of the servers we had been facing as they liked our style and wanted to run with us.

For me it doesn’t matter who’s on what server or which server is winning as long as people are having fun.. If facerolling with superior numbers and winning without a challenge is fun for SF like many have implied then w/e floats your boat just understand it’s not quite so fun for the other servers.

Shout out to the Gore(SF) members I’ve made friends with, some very cool guys in that guild.

I guess whatever helps you sleep at night right>?

P.S Didn’t claim SF was bad —- dang really?

And you wonder why you get trolled and are disliked. My post had nothing negative, no QQ, no “excuses”.. Nothing like that, yet you can’t reply with anything resembling a real conversation.

-ninja edited:

Nope, I didn’t claim SF was bad. I claimed certain PvP members who posted videos were bad and the “tactic” PvP claims to be so superior to be well boring. Please quote me saying all of SF is bad.

Pizz.3698:

Not sure if a record was broken here? 2 thread with the last one having 16 pages, both shut down. Gj guys ! :-P

Naw we’ve gotten 3 closed before, one to go for the tie.

For the record since I was sleeping and didn’t get to respond to some posts-

I never claimed all of SF was bad.
I never claimed I was great. I win some I lose some, but I do claim to be skilled at the game and capable of more then running with a zerg.

My big post about balancing tier8 to immediately move into a fun match instead of spending 5 months in boring matches was not a troll and was a genuine thought. Frankly the “server loyalty” doesn’t mean much to me, I more of a “tier loyalty” guy. It’s quite common for me to have many players from both opposing servers on my friend list (hod/gom for example). Our guild actually has several members that joined us by moving from one of the servers we had been facing as they liked our style and wanted to run with us.

For me it doesn’t matter who’s on what server or which server is winning as long as people are having fun.. If facerolling with superior numbers and winning without a challenge is fun for SF like many have implied then w/e floats your boat just understand it’s not quite so fun for the other servers.

Shout out to the Gore(SF) members I’ve made friends with, some very cool guys in that guild.

Heibi.4251:

So when is SF going to get promoted to Tier 2? They have the numbers for it. Every battle we fight against them every day, and I mean every day, they have a zerg 6 to 7 times our size. They’ve already nearly out done us by 40,000pts in under 5 days. The balance is completely not there. I have no idea why they’re in Tier 7, let alone why they were even in 8. Makes WvW very unappealing. almost makes you want to recommend the entire server just refrain going to WvW and let them toot their horn. No fun when you have no chance. I’m sure the Tier 8 folks felt the same way.

They have 24hour a day coverage with numbers beyond reckoning. Of course there’s no such thing as Small, Medium, Large, and Extra Large servers for WvW. It’s just larger servers beating on small servers and bragging about it.

You have to make peace with the fact that SF doesn’t give a kitten if they have a fair even fight. They want the win, the ego pat themselves on the back boost of the top spot on the scoreboard. They will claim it’s not numbers all day long, while everyone knows different (they did the SAME thing in t8 when they first got there – I was there). They want that precious wxp and the bragging rights to 30 bags around an arrow cart after 2 hours of pressing 1 at a choke point.

Today a thought occurred to me, I wondered the following. Why after spending months in t8 knowing they outnumbered them SO much, knowing they would never fight out of the ratings hole of t8 all the while claming to love and respect the players of ET and FERG so much. Why then, did they not do the sensible thing and split up some guilds amongst FERG and ET and balance out the tier. Why instead beg ANET to put them in the same position in another Tier where the game is boring and called before it starts.

SF could have easily shuffled a few guilds, balanced t8 and be having a super fun fair match with all the people they love so much. Meanwhile t7 could still be having our close fought love affair we grew so fond of.

But instead, ego got in the way, the insane drive to gain that higher tier status that is the same thing as the lower tiers. The need to go up to t7 and say HAH we have better tactics – ahem numbers then you!!! WE RULE YOU SUCK!!

all my opinion of course….

Shu.6981:

I am really sorry for this post as it will be off topic but I just have to cause it’s so funny that I watched it 10+ times and I would like to share to you pals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnydFmqHuVo

LOL wow man.. Laughed really hard at this, great stuff..