Guild Wars 2

nihasa.5067:

displayname.8315:

Why should my killing someone revive all the downed people around me? Makes no sense to me. I understand banners and pressing F that makes sense. Auto rez my group on 1 kill? Needs adjusted

Because you did not kill him. You just took away the 1st HP bar. The 2nd (the down state) it was still up.

I wasn’t very clear I was saying someone in a downed state shouldn’t get back up when a kill is made somewhere around them. Killing someone has nothing to do with healing a downed state person.

This probably works well in PvE situations but I don’t PvE much so wouldn’t know.

adozu.6398:

yesterday i was running around home border, a commander from my guild was leading pugs and defending objectives, all in all a pretty standard wvw sight. I was in a party with 2 other staff eles and one of us says: “ranged 3/5”.

there comes the upleveled bearbow, joining us in running around the place.

ok, whatever, that’s no big deal, then this conversation occurs:

Bear: “the commander is too fast, he should wait for people”

“are you on ts?”

“no”

“there’s your problem, he’s not too fast if you hear what he says, join at X”

“no need guys, i’ll go EB now instead”

because players like this exist guild raids often prefer not having pugs around.

Are you referring to the player telling someone they have a problem if their not on your ts? Or the player that was trying to tell the commander his/her business? IMO they are both wrong.

Why should my killing someone revive all the downed people around me? Makes no sense to me. I understand banners and pressing F that makes sense. Auto rez my group on 1 kill? Needs adjusted

Stop it from reviving enemy players when it ends. Dosen’t even make sense.

Step One – Grind 1800 gems
Step Two – Read recruitment forums for a server that suits you
Step Three – Leave the toxic server your on

Problem solved.

Deli.1302:

displayname.8315:

I wouldn’t spend the gems to transfer down to T2 just yet. Supposedly the T2 servers are done tanking their matchups and SoS is making a push for T1.

Did you even read the op?

Yeah OP wants Anet to fix a stale matchup.. don’t hold your breath sorry buddy. I was responding to the T1 people ready to take things into their own hands. Teir 2 servers brag about tanking matchups to stay out of T1, sorry guys they may be the problem the game is getting stale. But that could be over now.

I wouldn’t spend the gems to transfer down to T2 just yet. Supposedly the T2 servers are done tanking their matchups and SoS is making a push for T1.

I like the idea to nurf rally off death or remove it completely. Friendly rez only.

You will have less stats overall and it is best to focus on a vitality / toughness build for pretty much all equipment if you plan to play in WvW mainly. Matching runes sets of 2/2/2 in your armor ect.. its all pretty cheap on the trading post.

warriorjrd.8695:

Well correct me if I’m wrong, but the problem here is that GvG’s take up otherwise “useful” spots creating a queue, and as a result you can’t defend objectives. Or is it something else now that GvG’s cause? All of that can happen on any borderland, so the suggestion of doing it on the third border, can have the exact same effect as if you did it on any other border, or at least create the same problems you are whining about. Unless the only border you actually care about is home border, then of course doing it on any other map would be beneficial to you, EB, or the other two borders. However, assuming you have some form of presence in all the maps, and own a keep, if you lost that and there was a GvG on the map, I guarantee you would still be on the forums crying about it.

What your saying could be true warrior. The difference is servers usually tend to focus on defending their home border first, then their 1/3 of EB, then plan other offences after that. If a major offence occured at the time of said GvG it could weaken the attack but people don’t care as much about lost borderland offensives as they do about having their home wrecked.

That servers resort to 2v1 is a lack of forward thinking on the commanders part and shows their inability to strategize. Not even to mention the negative effect it has on player base populations. But yeah supposedly its fine just fine.

nearlight.3064:

Sometimes, my guild will have GvG practice nights in EBG, where we only run with 15 people that are on the GvG team or backups for it and we work on basic strategies like movement, recovery, and coordinating bombs and whatnot. During these nights, which are only once or twice per week, we fight other guilds we come across in open field and don’t actively siege other structures, unless theres a lot of guilds in SM trying to take it, we might go there to fight them. Do you view this as a problem too? And typically its on weeknights where little to no queue exists on SoS NA for EBG anyway.

And also OP, what would you suggest that guilds do when the OS is in use? Just wait until its available? And considering we’re in T2 servers where most GvGs happen, thats unrealistic as 30 people (15 each side) can’t really be available for GvGs all night waiting their “turn” at the OS.

It’s been said a few times on this thread. The 2 servers that are doing the GvG should go to server # 3’s borderland. Windmill is a good spot.. south island is pretty nice. There the will not troll their own server by preventing play in their homeland.

Straegen.2938:

T1 or T2. I wouldn’t even consider another tier as they are relatively inactive by comparison. WvW populations are WAY down. T2 rarely queues a map. I would say T2 is where T4-T5 pops were a year ago.

Mag essentially score fixes to keep FA and Mag in the same tier since this matchup is pretty even excluding SoS overnight. If we start falling behind, several of the guild groups log in and play PPT. When it is close, they mostly do open field fights.

This guys is right about the score fixing. One server is too big, one server is too small so they fix the scores to keep the same 3 playing together. If your not into that you might want to look elsewhere. Not much choice other than T1 if you can get in.

@warriorjrd
Its not called PvP or WvW its Wuv Wuv

gennyt.3428:

displayname.8315:

gennyt.3428:

@Sirbeaumerdier

Slap on the false dichotomy label if you want since there’s always the option to whine. But since we’re talking facts and reality and such, it remains that you cannot do anything to morph the priorities of others to match your own hence my suggestion of getting in where you fit in. Negative impact on what exactly? Let me guess, PPT. You’re operating under the assumption that everybody should care about it and those who do are somehow more important and non PPT related activities are somehow less than. That’s your main gripe. I’m saying it again, it’s selfish and short of breaking the TOS, people can do whatever they want, you are no more important than the guys doing the Dolyak parade or the twelve people hanging around a box of fun while others duel nearby, please deal with that.

So your ok with a servers guild (some are 40+ raiding force guilds) hosting these PvP events on their own servers home map thus blocking the rest of the server from being able to play? Who’s being selfish now? I’m sure this was not the intention when this event occured and they probably would try it elsewhere if they could next time but who’s the one really being selfish?

I thought I made that clear. Yes, queues aren’t fun but why get upset about it, it’s first come, first served just wait your turn to play. They paid like everybody else and they don’t owe anybody anything. The very second you start thinking people are taking up space or “blocking” anyone simply because they are on the map and have removed themselves from your approved activities is the moment that you’ve just face planted into the entitled zone. And arguing semantics about WvWvW not being a PvP zone just looks foolish as it’s a low grade derailment.

@Sirbeaumerdier

We’re comparing WvWvW to an actual sport now, with rules, regulations, controlled teams and arenas and /drumroll …balance? Please don’t. And then you go on to compare people actively sabotaging other players’ activities to players simply being on 24/7 opened map? Come on now.

I agree with @Sirbeaumerdier that the anything goes argument dosent work. I’m all for people playing the way they want. But that they can do anything just because is such a troll argument. I could go on a server and siege troll every commander i find if I want to but do I? Or should I for that matter just because I can? Even if you don’t like the WvW game mode I would expect you care about your servermates? Maybe not. Take it to OS or a NEUTRAL map. To quote warrior tho this is probably a rare occurance and I do think GvG guilds make a server healthy.

warriorjrd.8695:

displayname.8315:

warriorjrd.8695:

displayname.8315:

warriorjrd.8695:

displayname.8315:

gennyt.3428:

@Sirbeaumerdier

Slap on the false dichotomy label if you want since there’s always the option to whine. But since we’re talking facts and reality and such, it remains that you cannot do anything to morph the priorities of others to match your own hence my suggestion of getting in where you fit in. Negative impact on what exactly? Let me guess, PPT. You’re operating under the assumption that everybody should care about it and those who do are somehow more important and non PPT related activities are somehow less than. That’s your main gripe. I’m saying it again, it’s selfish and short of breaking the TOS, people can do whatever they want, you are no more important than the guys doing the Dolyak parade or the twelve people hanging around a box of fun while others duel nearby, please deal with that.

So your ok with a servers guild (some are 40+ raiding force guilds) hosting these PvP events on their own servers home map thus blocking the rest of the server from being able to play? Who’s being selfish now? I’m sure this was not the intention when this event occured and they probably would try it elsewhere if they could next time but who’s the one really being selfish?

Lmao, WvW is a PvP zone. A guild fighting another guild is just as WvW as you ramming a gate or trebbing a wall. WvW does not only consist of PPT. Get this through your mind: Just because they don’t play the exact same way as you do, or like the same things as you do, does not mean they are wrong. So to answer your question, no it’s not selfish, everybody has to queue to enter a full map regardless of what you intend to do once you get it. A full map is a full map, there’s no justifying who deserves to be in the map more. As I said before, if there is a queue on the map, you’d best get comfy and wait for that sucker to pop.

WvW maps are now PvP maps? When did that happen heart of the mists is taking over! LOL get real OS is for GvG, WvW maps are WvW, I dont go into pvp arena and try to have a dance party and get all bent when people say im messing up the match.

Somebody needs to google what PvP means and then think long and hard about what you can do to other players in WvW. Please do that before you make yourself look even more foolish than you already have…

Look at the top of screen when you in game. See those 2 swords icon hover over that it will say PvP. Click that it takes you into PvP. Hover over the castle icon it will say world vs world. Sadly there is no icon for GvG (yet). Comon Anet i beleive!

You’re trying to argue now that WvW has no PvP in it simply because it isn’t called PvP. That’s the worst argument on this entire thread so far. WvW revolves around players fighting other players genious. I actually can’t believe you would try and argue WvW isn’t PvP, that just really goes to show how limited your grasp of reality is.

You one of those no seige meta people huh? Last I played we all tried to take keeps and fought much seige, many doors, and lotsa PvE. A few people when they don’t run away too.

Chaba.5410:

displayname.8315:

The PvF was good tho no?

I like the other forum for PvF.

The other forum is blatant propaganda. I like this warrior guy he is strong.

Chaba.5410:

warriorjrd.8695:

Zetsumei.4975:

lol warriorjrd I feel for you man, can’t imagine how frustrating the lack of intelligence in this thread is for you

The frustration is quickly turning to pity as I realize these people lack and ability to understand common sense.

An appeal to common sense is no excuse for poor communication skills.

http://corkskeptics.org/2011/05/03/the-common-sense-fallacy/

All this conversation has done is devolve into straw men, extreme hypotheticals, and a clear lack of willingness by participants to make attempts to understand each other through acknowledgement of points made. Just now it is a lot of sniping at each other in sarcastic fashion.

The bottom line is that what is good for the goose is good for the gander and the sandbox nature of WvW allows for it. Change strategy? That’s easy and has been done by players in the past: troll the GvG. I’m not a fan of that solution, but it has happened and can happen again. I’ve personally had a GvG I was participating in rolled by a zerg and we were even on the third-server’s BL not causing queues for them. As I wrote previously, respect is earned and goes both ways. I made this statement pre-OS even. Deja vu I guess.

At least recognize that the fault lays squarely with Anet’s lack of a GvG mode.

Chaba I think we all know the problem is lack of support for WvW and how it dosen’t directly include guilds with a GvG mode. The PvF was good tho no?

warriorjrd.8695:

displayname.8315:

warriorjrd.8695:

displayname.8315:

gennyt.3428:

@Sirbeaumerdier

Slap on the false dichotomy label if you want since there’s always the option to whine. But since we’re talking facts and reality and such, it remains that you cannot do anything to morph the priorities of others to match your own hence my suggestion of getting in where you fit in. Negative impact on what exactly? Let me guess, PPT. You’re operating under the assumption that everybody should care about it and those who do are somehow more important and non PPT related activities are somehow less than. That’s your main gripe. I’m saying it again, it’s selfish and short of breaking the TOS, people can do whatever they want, you are no more important than the guys doing the Dolyak parade or the twelve people hanging around a box of fun while others duel nearby, please deal with that.

So your ok with a servers guild (some are 40+ raiding force guilds) hosting these PvP events on their own servers home map thus blocking the rest of the server from being able to play? Who’s being selfish now? I’m sure this was not the intention when this event occured and they probably would try it elsewhere if they could next time but who’s the one really being selfish?

Lmao, WvW is a PvP zone. A guild fighting another guild is just as WvW as you ramming a gate or trebbing a wall. WvW does not only consist of PPT. Get this through your mind: Just because they don’t play the exact same way as you do, or like the same things as you do, does not mean they are wrong. So to answer your question, no it’s not selfish, everybody has to queue to enter a full map regardless of what you intend to do once you get it. A full map is a full map, there’s no justifying who deserves to be in the map more. As I said before, if there is a queue on the map, you’d best get comfy and wait for that sucker to pop.

WvW maps are now PvP maps? When did that happen heart of the mists is taking over! LOL get real OS is for GvG, WvW maps are WvW, I dont go into pvp arena and try to have a dance party and get all bent when people say im messing up the match.

Somebody needs to google what PvP means and then think long and hard about what you can do to other players in WvW. Please do that before you make yourself look even more foolish than you already have…

Look at the top of screen when you in game. See those 2 swords icon hover over that it will say PvP. Click that it takes you into PvP. Hover over the castle icon it will say world vs world. Sadly there is no icon for GvG (yet). Comon Anet i beleive!

warriorjrd.8695:

displayname.8315:

gennyt.3428:

@Sirbeaumerdier

Slap on the false dichotomy label if you want since there’s always the option to whine. But since we’re talking facts and reality and such, it remains that you cannot do anything to morph the priorities of others to match your own hence my suggestion of getting in where you fit in. Negative impact on what exactly? Let me guess, PPT. You’re operating under the assumption that everybody should care about it and those who do are somehow more important and non PPT related activities are somehow less than. That’s your main gripe. I’m saying it again, it’s selfish and short of breaking the TOS, people can do whatever they want, you are no more important than the guys doing the Dolyak parade or the twelve people hanging around a box of fun while others duel nearby, please deal with that.

So your ok with a servers guild (some are 40+ raiding force guilds) hosting these PvP events on their own servers home map thus blocking the rest of the server from being able to play? Who’s being selfish now? I’m sure this was not the intention when this event occured and they probably would try it elsewhere if they could next time but who’s the one really being selfish?

Lmao, WvW is a PvP zone. A guild fighting another guild is just as WvW as you ramming a gate or trebbing a wall. WvW does not only consist of PPT. Get this through your mind: Just because they don’t play the exact same way as you do, or like the same things as you do, does not mean they are wrong. So to answer your question, no it’s not selfish, everybody has to queue to enter a full map regardless of what you intend to do once you get it. A full map is a full map, there’s no justifying who deserves to be in the map more. As I said before, if there is a queue on the map, you’d best get comfy and wait for that sucker to pop.

WvW maps are now PvP maps? When did that happen heart of the mists is taking over! LOL get real OS is for GvG, WvW maps are WvW, I dont go into pvp arena and try to have a dance party and get all bent when people say im messing up the match.

gennyt.3428:

@Sirbeaumerdier

Slap on the false dichotomy label if you want since there’s always the option to whine. But since we’re talking facts and reality and such, it remains that you cannot do anything to morph the priorities of others to match your own hence my suggestion of getting in where you fit in. Negative impact on what exactly? Let me guess, PPT. You’re operating under the assumption that everybody should care about it and those who do are somehow more important and non PPT related activities are somehow less than. That’s your main gripe. I’m saying it again, it’s selfish and short of breaking the TOS, people can do whatever they want, you are no more important than the guys doing the Dolyak parade or the twelve people hanging around a box of fun while others duel nearby, please deal with that.

So your ok with a servers guild (some are 40+ raiding force guilds) hosting these PvP events on their own servers home map thus blocking the rest of the server from being able to play? Who’s being selfish now? I’m sure this was not the intention when this event occured and they probably would try it elsewhere if they could next time but who’s the one really being selfish?

warriorjrd.8695:

displayname.8315:

Tibstrike.2974:

If you are really worried about the war score lost over an hour or two during the week then your sever is already going to lose.

Servers that play to win don’t let you just re upgrade everything after its lost. You have to be quick and fight hard after a loss like that.

If you can’t defend a waypointed objective with the remaining players in a queued map, that’s you doing something wrong, not the guilds fault. I have watched waypointed things be held with 10 people again zone blobs, so I think it’s time to brush up on your arrow cart skills, and practice your aim with the treb shots.

We’ve all taken out blobs with a single superior arrowcart at some point.. T1 – T2 is a little more challenging then that. Unless you get lucky with a pve heavy zerg.

Tibstrike.2974:

If you are really worried about the war score lost over an hour or two during the week then your sever is already going to lose.

Servers that play to win don’t let you just re upgrade everything after its lost. You have to be quick and fight hard after a loss like that.

displayname.8315:

Don’t forget there is a 3rd server that can enter the BL and they have a perfecly free queue to fill and zerg down everything while the core WvW players are trying to get in to defend. Which is what happened in the case of FA.[/quote]

warriorjrd.8695:

You act like GvG’s happen all the time, and last for 4 hours each. The amount of time it takes to do a GvG and the amount of spots that guild takes up, is really an incredibly minuscule issue to complain about. Especially when you take into account everything a GvG guild does when they aren’t GvGing, it makes up for whatever losses you have when they are.

I like your arguments good PvF. I will say that for some very competitive servers losing a waypointed keep can effect you for hours or even days to come. Servers will continue to focus flip keeps they know are not fortified/seiged/waypointed and thus will not be defended.

pdavis.8031:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

pdavis.8031:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Wait, I’m confused. You don’t mind that people are playing how they want, you don’t mind they are having fun, but their way of having fun is interfering with your fun and would like them to take it elsewhere because of queing issues? I’m just trying to understand your point…

Is it something in the water?

I don’t mind them playing how the hell they want as long as they play for the kitten puck (war score). What is so kitten confusing about it that it has to be told and retold in every possible ways?

However I would say that GvG even in BLs would actually be helpful. They are specially quipped and trained to deal with zergs. So instead why not work WITH them? If they are intercepting zergs, other guilds or not, you can go and take points. Gather a point capturing group and go cap points while the GvGers deal with the other zergs/GvGers? If the enemy zerg is occupied, they aren’t capping points, or defending, making it easier for your group to capture them. It seems that in general you are upset, not about server ques, but that others aren’t playing how you expect them to. Go get a commander tag, and organize WITH the GvGers and go do what you have fun doing. And in the end everyone wins.

Oh for crying out loud will you ppl learn to read…

The point is they won’t try to intercept any zerg at all. In fact if you so much as approach the sacred zone where GvG is “hosted” you will swiftly be told to go away and mind your own business. Woe to anyone who would drop a meteor in the middle of it… As if the enemy being a hitable target with capping potential was not “my business” in that context.

I bolded the part wherein the confusion lies. You don’t mind how people play how they want as long as they play for the score. It’s a major contradiction. You’re saying (my intreptation) that you can do whatever, BUT it must be according to how you believe it should be done.

Also as far as guilds telling you off, it may have been your approach. Based on this thread, I can only assume it came across as hostile. Something along the lines of “If you aren’t going to cap points, then take your GvG elsewhere.” I would suggest, again, maybe working with them instead of against them. Maybe something like “Hey, I get you are doing your GvG thing, and thats fine, but would you consider also running zerg interferance when you are finished? It would really help our server out and maybe we can win this one.” Out of the larger guilds I’ve encountered, the leaders (who would likely be heading up such events anyway) aren’t general kittens, and are actually very reasonable people who might respond in kind.

Well, to retake my hockey game analogy, as long as you play the puck and ultimately help it get closer to the goal in a respectful way I don’t mind if you choose to escort Dolyak, repair stuff, zerg, roam or whatever new innovative, but in line with the spirit of the game, way you think of. It’s when the number of ppl who refuse to play the puck become so great that I’m starting to feel like the game is being hijacked.

So large scale battles as a guild, vs another guild, is not in the spirit of WvW? But zerging to a point, capping it, zerging to the next point, capping it, ad infinitfum, while an enemy zerg (or 2) follow behind and retake those same points is? While I can see why you would be frustrated while a GvG is going on and messing up the map que, you have to remember that the same thing is happening on the opposing server. If there is a guild fielding say 100 people for GvG, that leaves 50 others to do whatever. Same with the opposing server, if they are fielding 100 GvGers, then they only have 50 to do whatever. Why not take advantage of it? Theres a much smaller chance of running into a large zerg, so you can quietly and quickly take multiple camps/towers/etc. while the GvG is going on. Then when it’s finished, people come back on and Hey!! you already have half the map claimed! And now you can rain hurt upon the enemy.

Don’t forget there is a 3rd server that can enter the BL and they have a perfecly free queue to fill and zerg down everything while the core WvW players are trying to get in to defend. Which is what happened in the case of FA.

pdavis.8031:

@OP

Wait, I’m confused. You don’t mind that people are playing how they want, you don’t mind they are having fun, but their way of having fun is interfering with your fun and would like them to take it elsewhere because of queing issues? I’m just trying to understand your point…

However I would say that GvG even in BLs would actually be helpful. They are specially quipped and trained to deal with zergs. So instead why not work WITH them? If they are intercepting zergs, other guilds or not, you can go and take points. Gather a point capturing group and go cap points while the GvGers deal with the other zergs/GvGers? If the enemy zerg is occupied, they aren’t capping points, or defending, making it easier for your group to capture them. It seems that in general you are upset, not about server ques, but that others aren’t playing how you expect them to. Go get a commander tag, and organize WITH the GvGers and go do what you have fun doing. And in the end everyone wins.

Their not there to intercept zergs or work with anyone.. they are using a WvW map as a free PvP arena.. We all understand they don’t have alot of choice but we also understand that it messes with map queues if you host on your own BL during primetime.

nearlight.3064:

While it wuld be nice if the devs finally gave us a structured GvG system separate from WvW, it exists fine and healthily enough in WvW’s current state.

WvW is meant to be an ultimate endgame sandbox of realm vs. realm combat.

Anything goes there, and no one should complain about how other players and groups of players spend their time there.

Anything goes lets not complain about siege trolls eithers, or map chat trolls, or glitching. Its all just fun who cares if a small group of people ruin the game.

Quick Mouse.7635:

Let’s consider what would happen if this guild wasn’t "gvg"ing these other guilds. What would have happened if, instead of fighting the guilds in open field, they decided to go after your hills, or garri? Instead, that guild “contributing nothing” to capturing a tower kept entire enemy guilds distracted from capturing anything.
I play in one of these guilds that do “nothing but waste server space” and the 20 of us kept an entire map queue (3 guilds of around 30 players) occupied with fights for a whole night. Know what happened when we ended raid? That map queue took everything on the map. So get off your high horse saying that these fighting guilds contribute nothing to your precious ppt. Because they’re fighting the fights that you can’t win.

Yeah cuz a GvG jamming up the queues on their own servers BL during primetime is going to stop the 3rd server from comming in and capturing objectives.

warriorjrd.8695:

displayname.8315:

warriorjrd.8695:

displayname.8315:

warriorjrd.8695:

displayname.8315:

CrimsonNeonite.1048:

People will run Closed and Open Raids as they wish, if you want to feel what it’s like running with any one of the Guilds ask them and join their TS channel.

I beleive when the OP says it was a major guild and they were the only zerg on map they should tag up for the sake of their server. I agree but alot of guilds don’t see it that way it seems.

You buy a tag and lead everybody then. You can’t just expect people to lead simply because they are there, apparently them not wanting to isn’t a good enough reason for you.

I suppose we have different ideas of what a WvW guild is all about. If your commanding and your the major/only force available to lead you might think about tagging up. Maybe it was a pve guild roleplaying or one of the “fights” guilds who don’t care. idk

Read what Ragnar said, he essentially ended this thread with that comment there. Read it, and think about it.

I read what Ragnar wrote. He calls for the militia to command the server. I was under the impression that the WvW guilds of each server ran things.. Is that not the case on each servers website? Do they not want to command? Most servers that play to win organzie tag up times on their websites. They have the rally times of guilds posted and often make sure someone is leading the militia.

You’re still labouring under delusion that a guild is obligated to tag up just because there is nobody else on the map. Nobody is obligated to do anything in wvw. You are so self-righteous and arrogant to think that guilds who don’t play a similar style as you do hurt the server, and they should tag up when they run on a map. It really is disgusting and has gone beyond a mere difference of opinions now. To think that you could see nothing wrong with forcing people to tag up when they may not want to, regardless of the situation on the map, is shocking really. Like I said earlier, buy a bloody tag and lead. Then and only then will you even have the right to discuss others being obligated to tag up. You are just as capable as they are, so stop being so selfish and self-righteous and do something other than spew nonsense on these forums.

I in no way think a guild should be obligated to tag up at any time. Luckily I’m on a server with WvW guilds willing to command. Most good servers have to have several actual WvW guilds willing to play for the win. If the other server brings 60 what are you going to do? Tag up? Call it a day GG. Theres a big difference in how a high teir winning server has to organize its troops, guilds and militia both.

warriorjrd.8695:

displayname.8315:

warriorjrd.8695:

displayname.8315:

CrimsonNeonite.1048:

People will run Closed and Open Raids as they wish, if you want to feel what it’s like running with any one of the Guilds ask them and join their TS channel.

I beleive when the OP says it was a major guild and they were the only zerg on map they should tag up for the sake of their server. I agree but alot of guilds don’t see it that way it seems.

You buy a tag and lead everybody then. You can’t just expect people to lead simply because they are there, apparently them not wanting to isn’t a good enough reason for you.

I suppose we have different ideas of what a WvW guild is all about. If your commanding and your the major/only force available to lead you might think about tagging up. Maybe it was a pve guild roleplaying or one of the “fights” guilds who don’t care. idk

Read what Ragnar said, he essentially ended this thread with that comment there. Read it, and think about it.

I read what Ragnar wrote. He calls for the militia to command the server. I was under the impression that the WvW guilds of each server ran things.. Is that not the case on each servers website? Do they not want to command? Most servers that play to win organzie tag up times on their websites. They have the rally times of guilds posted and often make sure someone is leading the militia.

warriorjrd.8695:

displayname.8315:

CrimsonNeonite.1048:

People will run Closed and Open Raids as they wish, if you want to feel what it’s like running with any one of the Guilds ask them and join their TS channel.

I beleive when the OP says it was a major guild and they were the only zerg on map they should tag up for the sake of their server. I agree but alot of guilds don’t see it that way it seems.

You buy a tag and lead everybody then. You can’t just expect people to lead simply because they are there, apparently them not wanting to isn’t a good enough reason for you.

I suppose we have different ideas of what a WvW guild is all about. If your commanding and your the major/only force available to lead you might think about tagging up. Maybe it was a pve guild roleplaying or one of the “fights” guilds who don’t care. idk

warriorjrd.8695:

displayname.8315:

warriorjrd.8695:

displayname.8315:

warriorjrd.8695:

atheria.2837:

Warlord of Chaos.7845:

I honestly think that you guys are just overreacting to this. GvGing is only about 15-25 people max on a server. They don’t take up a full map queue. Where the other 60-90 people on the bl are not the GvG guilds fault, so stop blaming it on them.

Apparently you haven’t seen the youtube videos of masses of 35-40 on each side – making all other play on any map almost impossible.

That comment just shows how little you know about the GvG scene. 35-40 on each side? Are you for real? You might be able to show me one video, and that would probably be the only time it’s happened. It’s good to know that the people who are against GvG’s, don’t know a thing about it.

Yeah we know how GvG’s work, their whole guilds rolls down there, 20 of them fight the other 20 watch and message their friends to come watch

That’s still less than half of the player cap per side. I have yet to see a valid issue presented by anybody here.

Less than half.. yes nearly half a map queue for a GvG to take place, then you have to account for fans and friends of the guilds, and that altho a server does not run queues on a specific map they can quickly queue if defending properly.

Yes, well lets just assume this and assume that. We should also assume when people don’t GvG they just sit at spawn and don’t do anything. It’s foolish to think that after their one hour GvG they do anything related to what you would consider proper. In fact, these guilds probably only enter WvW to do these GvG’s, once they are done, they just leave!

Trust me, I have watched more GvG’s than you have, and very rarely do they attract numbers even remotely close to what you are suggesting. In fact, the only time I have seen GvG’s attract similar numbers to what you think happens all the time, is when the top guilds face each other, and those only happen in OS. So not only does it essentially never happen, but when it does, you probably don’t even know about.

I really find it funny when people think GvG has such a large impact on the “proper” way WvW is supposed to be played. When these GvG guilds most likely play WvW more than they do, and due to their discipline, coordination, and experience, they would have a much easier time taking out the attacking blob than you would. Every single GvG guild I know, has taken objectives during their raids, and played this PPT game. So please, stop over exaggerating an already non-existent issue and just play the bloody game, however you find fun.

IF you don’t think it messes things up you don’t play primetime on a high teir server.
Sure WvW is basically dead at times other than primetime unless your on one of those 4 servers with non-american populations. T1 – T2 primetime no way that won’t jam the queues.

CrimsonNeonite.1048:

People will run Closed and Open Raids as they wish, if you want to feel what it’s like running with any one of the Guilds ask them and join their TS channel.

I beleive when the OP says it was a major guild and they were the only zerg on map they should tag up for the sake of their server. I agree but alot of guilds don’t see it that way it seems.

warriorjrd.8695:

displayname.8315:

warriorjrd.8695:

atheria.2837:

Warlord of Chaos.7845:

I honestly think that you guys are just overreacting to this. GvGing is only about 15-25 people max on a server. They don’t take up a full map queue. Where the other 60-90 people on the bl are not the GvG guilds fault, so stop blaming it on them.

Apparently you haven’t seen the youtube videos of masses of 35-40 on each side – making all other play on any map almost impossible.

That comment just shows how little you know about the GvG scene. 35-40 on each side? Are you for real? You might be able to show me one video, and that would probably be the only time it’s happened. It’s good to know that the people who are against GvG’s, don’t know a thing about it.

Yeah we know how GvG’s work, their whole guilds rolls down there, 20 of them fight the other 20 watch and message their friends to come watch

That’s still less than half of the player cap per side. I have yet to see a valid issue presented by anybody here.

Less than half.. yes nearly half a map queue for a GvG to take place, then you have to account for fans and friends of the guilds, and that altho a server does not run queues on a specific map they can quickly queue if defending properly.

warriorjrd.8695:

atheria.2837:

Warlord of Chaos.7845:

I honestly think that you guys are just overreacting to this. GvGing is only about 15-25 people max on a server. They don’t take up a full map queue. Where the other 60-90 people on the bl are not the GvG guilds fault, so stop blaming it on them.

Apparently you haven’t seen the youtube videos of masses of 35-40 on each side – making all other play on any map almost impossible.

That comment just shows how little you know about the GvG scene. 35-40 on each side? Are you for real? You might be able to show me one video, and that would probably be the only time it’s happened. It’s good to know that the people who are against GvG’s, don’t know a thing about it.

Yeah we know how GvG’s work, their whole guilds rolls down there, 20 of them fight the other 20 watch and message their friends to come watch

Don’t beleive the T2 they all blob to win. Ask a pug to tag up? Maybe if that guy had a big bad guild helping him he would.

If this GvG your talking about was during or around server primetime its easy to get a queue when maphoppers are defending. You’ll see the queue and often alot of the people in zone will be roaming, pve’ing, map completion, just sitting at the zone waiting for their leet guild to rally, add to that a “fights” guild and a gvg with 20 active members particiipating others guild members watching, random spectators, orange swords pulling people down south.. Yeah it can mess things up pretty easy.

I like the WvW is beneath us leet pvp people that guy wove in. Seriously tho OS is pretty friggin huge isnt it? Can’t these leet guilds find a place to scrim there. Doing part of a jump puzzle isn’t being a fights only tho huh.

There is already siege with no decay timers. Cannons, Mortars, and Burning Oil. Add a new tier of siege defense on keeps maybe?