Guild Wars 2

Ansau.7326:

displayname.8315:

The only reason those servers are in T3 is because they work the glicko system to obtain a matchfixing balance where they all stay stagnated together. A glaring example of why glicko is Kinda Pathetic.

Glicko system is not pathetic, but people stacking in servers so glicko is not working well. The same way guns don’t kill people, but people using guns kill other people.
Problem is with the people, not the system.

Yeah stacking is/was the problem. Anet workin on that tho. But with the glicko system it is still pretty easy to manipulate. By teaming up with 1 or 2 other servers you can break the tier system. It happens in T1 and now has made its way to T3 also.

Winners can move up if they pull overtime and push for months to get big wins over and over again, its not a great system by far.

Ansau.7326:

No, you’re wrong. With that system:
- Maguuma next week should face Sea of Sorrow (200 rating) and Jade Quarry (530 rating).
- Fort Aspenwood would face Crystal Desert (-180) and (-385).

Now do you really think Maguuma has a chance against those servers? And do you think FA would have a hard time against those 2 others?
Glicko is just a representation of the reality. So big differences in rating means big differences in coverage.
The first 2-3 weeks would be interesting, but after that, all servers would be readjusted and you would still have the same problem, some servers stomping others, aka lack of good distribution of people.

In the end, all systems show the same problem, NA playerbase wanting stacked servers which lead into boring and unfair matchups.
NA playerbase is the only one to blame.

I absolutely think they would stand a chance. If you knew about their populations and not just their skewed glicko you would know that mag and cd could probably win those matchups if they cared to.

The only reason those servers are in T3 is because they work the glicko system to obtain a matchfixing balance where they all stay stagnated together. A glaring example of why glicko is Kinda Pathetic.

Ansau.7326:

About the system win-up lose-down, in reality it is worse, because you’d end up having very unfair matchups. It happened when they made more freely the glicko, and quickly there were tons of people asking to a more locked system, since what was happening was not fun, one week you were stomped by a server and in the next you stomped another week.

That may have been true when it was possible for servers to be wildly imbalanced. That is not the case anymore stop living in the past.

Well if some T1 ktrainers get upset thats no big to me. They ruined WvW more that any balancing ever will.

@Chabs

You call it fun overstacking I call it imbalance and exploiting the system for a win advantage. It’s pretty clear to me that the new full status still allows for multiple map gameplay, it’s just not ridiculous anymore. Maps still hold the same amount of people and full status still allows those queues to be hit.

If you only see a few zergs on multiple maps and thats not enough for people then all hope is lost. I know your not one to judge population by how many map queues and how many "tags’ are running thats newbie stuff.

The T1 guilds went to YB only a short time before they made it to T1, you were on YB too? That dosen’t seem true but ok. Are you single now haven’t seen TLC raiding?

Guess thats just another example of how you shouldn’t judge population by tags and guild raid blobs. Hope to see you out there.

Chaba.5410:

I’ll add that given what has been observed so far, a bunch of us active WvW players believe that the scale of WvW is going to be smaller ultimately on NA servers (as opposed to EU servers where most of the population is concentrated in the EU timezone).

T1 NA’s large scale WvW is going to be a thing of the past and the scale of activity on servers like FA and SoS are what we’ll be seeing for the future.

The only thing that would reduce the scale of WvW would be lowering the map caps again.

I been on SoS few weeks now and you see some queue here and there, some large zergs to participate in. Been satisfied with the activity and these servers aren’t even full.

Only real problem you run into is when fighting overstacked servers. FA was certainly bloatware for a long while, queueing all 4 maps, queueing more that one map in off hours.. not such a huge surprise if the rolling average took a little longer than you hoped.

Read enough threads to hear of the status changes happening on a day to day basis especially on EU servers.

FA not the greatest example with their bloated overstacking and fairweather gameplay.

Chaba.5410:

Fort Aspenwood went through this. The new algorithm for population calculation uses a rolling average and smooths out rapid changes. So there’s going to be a delay of 3-4 weeks before population that is transferring off gets removed from the rolling average.

Curious where this 1 month delay in population calculation comes from. Are you guessing that time frame because FA did so poorly while still on FULL status? They still had numbers for a few weeks.. granted they were up against a severely overstacked YB and getting farmed like they always do.. then you REALLY saw a dropoff.

Also some groups of players were all for letting YB push to T1 so also need to factor that in..

Think 1 month delay in adjustments in not quite accurate.

People leaving + full status = your still too fat.

Need more skill not more people.

Devs already said they intend AC’s to fire from walls and is a work in progress. But is funny to see all these K-trainers rallying together for that PVD dreamz.

Johje Holan.4607:

Really T1 (in NA) is the only place for pugs to have a good time anymore.

I’m in T3 and we’ve supposedly gotten a lot of people and on paper it looks like a good match. But I don’t see it. Whenever I log in there’s not much going on for a pug.

You basically have to join a WvW guild and play with them and play at certain times to have any fun. But they all play too late for me and I don’t want to do that so I’ve just not played lately.

If T1 ever does open up I’ll probably make a free account there.

T3 is a bad example as it’s mostly matchfixing baddies that fall apart when they’re up against any real competition.

Lately i’ve enjoyed T5 (dragonbrand vs darkhaven) and T2 (sos/fa vs T1 spillover).

I saw and played in both of those seasons. Neither of those where 1 up 1 down.

Can someone please explain to me why the coverage gaps from 2 years ago are being used as current figures for server population?

Overstacking is a thing of the past, anet wasn’t about to boot people but they can only shrink now

I agree that this destructive gameplay by the player base is caused by the glicko system.

As in previous threads a 1 up, 1 down system would put and end to both glicko manipulation and match stagnation. While also giving and actual meaning to first, second, and third place finishes.

T1 need to take them training wheels off and put on their big boy pants. For shame

If you want to fight T1 servers transfer to T2.

They tried that stuff in T2 and got sent packing ahah

too bad you dont have yb to save you they are busy carrying T1

TC not coming close to what blackgate could do. Must not be as overstacked.

If YB turns on the steam they will pass TC as #3 server very soon.

Those servers are all locked until they shrink to a reasonable size. SoS actually doing quite well. Practice your survival in outnumbered fights.

T2 is the tier for real fights people, not the chest thumpers that retreat to lower tiers when they are outplayed.

sephiroth.4217:

Liston.9708:

Based on what? I think it would be cool too, but rank is so out of whack post eotm….

Hopefully they can tie to AP somehow….

Earn X achievement for Y finisher in Z game mode.

EG for WvW: Yakslapper – Yaks trample you

Eg for Eotm: I don’t know eotm, but I’m sure there are AP that can only be earned there. So have a finisher for those achievements.

i’d rather it be by rank. eotm withstanding it still take alot to get gold, platinum, mithril, and diamond.. if you can get diamond finisher you da best

Free players should be used to power an endless wave mode.

LMac.9432:

It took me forever to move to Tier 1.

If WvW is meant to be a blob fest with condi spammers and a no defense Ktrain then that’s what it’s become. Wait, no defense Ktrain hmmm isn’ t that EoTM?

That T1 win trade huh? It sure is rare to find a server that actually plays WvW like a battle. Yak’s Bend probably the only real one and transferring there was a great choice. It’s no wonder SOOO many people who enjoy WvW rallied behind them. If it wasn’t for the glicko freeze I would still be there.

TexZero.7910:

displayname.8315:

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You’re joking right ?

You seriously think T3 can compete with T2, and T5 with T4 ?

Get real. It’s population and coverage which we all know is warped. Swiss style won’t work and is a poor solution that does lead to worse matches. Seasons already proved this. Just look back to last season and look at where GoM and DH are now. Ask them how great Swiss was for them.

T3? well Maguuma is fairly stacked and yes if they show up and PPT in T2 they would do ok.. probably get 2nd over sos or whoever. But since it’s run by matchfixing peops and such thats a whole different discussion.

T5.. DB and DH both have some good zerg numbers thruout the day.. not like they would get vaporized in T4 or something…

Again with seasons as if it applies to current populations and balancing…. that type of round robin was not the same thing being discussed here.

Would 1 up 1 down work better than glicko? I’d say so.

Are people actually using seasons as a reason to keep the glicko freeze going? With winner up loser down you’d be getting the closest matchups possible still, and new opponents each week.

Any excuses about getting stomped in PPT is weak. Now that the population issues are getting worked on T2 should not get blown out by T1, nor T3 by T2 and so on.

The only real issue is people want to say “im in tier 3” or “tier 2 is like this and tier 1 is like this” which they couldn’t do anymore.

Yeah it’s harsh. I take longer routes just to avoid water. What vid card she have I use a Radeon 6800.

If that article is real it goes on to say possible limitations are..

•Only one or two character slots
•Limit of level 15
•Seems like a limit on how high a “rank” you can get (specific to trial or possibly PvP related)
•Only able to send mail to friends.
•Can’t send items or gold through mail
•Can’t speak in map chat
•Can’t access Team Arenas
•Can’t access main WvW maps (EB and Borderlands)
•Can’t sell items on TP.

Angel.6085:

Oh I completely agree the population will definitely help WvW, my concerns were the two named. :P

1) As stated the mechanics that can be trolled are changing with HoT. Turning trebs and using supply not that big an issue really. If people want to try to prop servers up to manipulate have at it. With more people that won’t be so easy.

2) Who cares about transfer costs, log into your other account if you can’t see thru the tears.

I think this will actually help WvW.

Server trolling won’t happen so drastically once HoT is out with the new mechanics.

As it stands now it’s a game of how many active accounts are stacked together. Once people can have an account anywhere it will be more about which server can perform the best.

So YB gives 24/7 fights.

SoS is open so people from like mongolia and australia can still stack for guaranteed fights.

FA still hitting full threshold somehow. I know they lose to YB pretty badly but it’s gotta open sometime soon too.

Thinking the real problem is bandwagons can’t overstack and a lot of people don’t like that…

It happens to me every time I go underwater. Comes back in a second or two, started just recently like after the update.

Lord Kuru.3685:

I remember enormous battles in T5 a couple years ago. Haven’t seen anything like that in a long time.

You haven’t seen the DH Omni-blob Get Mad PVD K-Trains? It’s fun to farm them and their bunker builds.

The alliance of baddies picked SoS to stay in T2 over dragonbrand. This alliance was what destroyed T2 chances of fun WvW IMO. Fights bros were more concerned with their OS schedules than allowing the natural fit for T2 to settle in.

So you end up with a ded SoS and a 2 way match between FA and YB, which of course YB won I mean comon…

In a close numbers fight don’t let them hard res. If they do you make them pay for it which can cause them to break and wipe.

They need to remove server affiliation with EoTM and join as groups instead if you play together.

If they add a 2nd type it should be a lv 80 only version, with force join to the color that has the least people.

Is it possible to get stomped in T4?

Funny all I’ve seen during NA is massive DH voltrons and pug blobs big enough they probably see a queue during primetime. I see how they earned their FULL status not long ago… AR meh weak showing for the most part.. some say they aren’t showing up much this week, think it’s the first time I’ve fought against them.

They are pretty active around the clock from what I’ve seen. Good amount of players who know enough to go solo. Often pug tags and the guilds are all cool haven’t seen any of the trolling you get from gvg heavy servers.

If you looking t4 they will probably be there soon enough the way they have been winning.

SoS is open for transfers and their coverage in a few timezones is holding them in T2 still.. they have nowhere to go but up.

Don’t know about t4 but been in t5 for 2 weeks and its been fun. Dragonbrand only 500 gems and they still have some good coverage. They always seem to grow back you could get on early.

DH has numbers and they were full before the change IIRC.

Who’d have though putting an end to stacking would stop the blowout matches.. oh wait everyone.. well done on the algorithm.

So many people already left because of the terrible bandwagon problems. Finally a measure to stop the bads from overstacking.

Traded the gold I had sitting in the bank for gems.. love not having to pay anything extra to transfer. Have enough gems to try out 2 medium servers all for free… WOOT!

I’m pleasently surprised by Devona’s Rest. I’ve played with and against roamers every time I’ve logged on and theres actually tags and guild running each time too.. wow T8!

So there already starting the HoT beta this weekend?

Looks like I’ll be getting my completely free new map, with all new WvW and guild mechanics sooner than I though. Pretty much everything they are adding should make WvW even more fun to play… thanks Anet!!

lil devils x.6071:

if they are moving alt accounts, the full servers still keep their population while locking others as well..

Alt account don’t effect population simply by being there anymore, active accounts do.

Servers have to meet a heavy traffic threshold to hit the full status. If they do that what’s the problem?

lil devils x.6071:

Carried? WHO is " carrying" us? I really do not think you have any idea what you are talking about if you think someone needs to " carry" us. ATM they locked a server that we win when we choose to win. I really wish they would let more people get on to BG, I felt bad for them this week.

Usually its 1 tag and a small core of people who know their backside from kitten in the ground, they carry these precious fragile timezones and quitter pugs you talk about.

Funny how fast things die without them even tho there was still plenty of people available.

I’ve played OCX and SEA down to the T3 tier and there is still action to be had. Plenty of room to join those healthy-ish servers if you worried about off hours play.

If you just crying about there not being a tag running a blob of 60 well that can happen in any timezone.. my advice l2p and don’t fairweather out when your not being carried.

lil devils x.6071:

displayname.8315:

1 week after the change and we’re already seeing people move down the tiers and trying to do it in a balanced way. Good job anet. And the new transfer prices are a great incentive.. only 500 gems for medium? that’s like 80 gold.. nice.

LOL that has nothing to do with the lock.. it has to do with server politics on T1/T2 that happened prior to the lock. Yb was stacked prior to this to move them to T1, GvG dropping to T3 to make that the GVG tier now out of protest. This was all decided prior to the LOCK, and has nothing to do with the changes.

If that’s your brand of Kool-Aid. Other rumors are that GvG have a high turnover rate and like to recruit from off server. And that guilds and friends got seperated in the LOCK and are reforming elsewhere.

It’s a good measure. It should have been done by traffic in the first place. Locking out more stacking and guild buying is OK by me too.

1 week after the change and we’re already seeing people move down the tiers and trying to do it in a balanced way. Good job anet. And the new transfer prices are a great incentive.. only 500 gems for medium? that’s like 80 gold.. nice.

joneirikb.7506:

T1 lockdown is broken this week, JQ got 3% or so to get YB. Interesting.

Last week Kaineng (19) got matched up against DR (23) and ET (24), with a 200+ glicko difference, with 3 servers between that should have covered that. The calculations showed 0% chance for this match-up. Has there been changes to the calculations ?

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/World-Population-Changes-Are-Coming/page/6#post5326804

Aerial Melodies.4938:

YB is to “fix NA to be like EU” then NA still needs to realize that an overly stacked YB server is still going to be overly stacked after it breaks in T1.

NA doesn’t seem to get that, again, EU works the way it does because of the languages on some servers that allows a more even spread to the population. It’s not perfect by any means, but certainly better than what we have.

SFR wins T1 EU every single week and are easily the biggest and most stacked. Theres rotation in and out of tiers because of the imbalance of populations and K-Train playstyles of gameplay.

But everyone seems to post on how great and balanced they keep server rotation over there….

FA is sending a Trojan Yak as a gift to t1. It’s so big they have to break down part of the wall to fit it through.

Buffy.9246:

Chaba.5410:

displayname.8315:

Buffy.9246:

displayname.8315:

I don’t PvE and I’ve made 2 full sets of ascended armor, 3 ascended weopons, bought a bunch of ascended trinkets with tournament tickets, and did 4 transfers.. until I found Yak’s Bend that is.. now I’m home =)

I feel sorry for you.

Yeah having to fight against spies and cheaters can be annoying. But having a nice WvW centered community is worth it.

Every server has spies and cheats.

Not how yb thinks. They think they are all perfect angels that do no wrong…it’s bull. Yb is the most toxic server beside cd/db.

Don’t even need to ask what server your on with that run of the mill trolling.

If YB commanders use alt accounts and informants they sure do a good job of hiding it. They don’t admit to it like some other commanders have. Don’t think I’ve ever seen a yb zerg respond to something thats not scouted and called out in advance.

Buffy.9246:

displayname.8315:

I don’t PvE and I’ve made 2 full sets of ascended armor, 3 ascended weopons, bought a bunch of ascended trinkets with tournament tickets, and did 4 transfers.. until I found Yak’s Bend that is.. now I’m home =)

I feel sorry for you.

Yeah having to fight against spies and cheaters can be annoying. But having a nice WvW centered community is worth it.

I don’t PvE and I’ve made 2 full sets of ascended armor, 3 ascended weopons, bought a bunch of ascended trinkets with tournament tickets, and did 4 transfers.. until I found Yak’s Bend that is.. now I’m home =)

xJOHNYAPPLESEED.2685:

no playerbase on my server. I know you can pay to change server but i feel thats sorta stupid :/

If you want to WvW with random people thrown together try Edge of The Mists, it’s another option in the WvW menu.

Paying pretend gold to move servers is wonderful, alot of other MMO’s you’re forced to charge up your credit card to move your account. Another way Anet shows love to its customers.

I’d also recommend any T1 – T2 server… except Sea of Sorrows right now. They don’t really have much in the way of commanders or guilds that tag up for their server.

JonPeters.5630:

Just getting these out there so we know we are all in agreement:

1) Conditions seem a bit strong
2) World bosses are currently too easy
3) There are some bugged skills and traits
4) There are some overpowered builds

We won’t fix it all at once but these are four large topics we are talking about. In the meantime keep the feedback and bug reports coming, and I guess farm up some world bosses. We are dedicating time towards these issues and are intending to resolve them as quickly as possible. As we have said before, the live environment differs too greatly from anything we can reliably simulate internally so big changes like today’s build will cause things to sometimes change at an alarming rateTM.

Thanks for your patience,

Jon

Quote from the dev’s in general discussion.

It is harsh for melee right now, pretty much instagibbed if you try to dive in. Get your glass cannon range and board the nearest pirate ship until they fix it.

Quick Mouse.7635:

displayname.8315:

Now we get to hear from the so called GvG guilds that don’t really do WvW or rally but they do seem to enjoy transferring to heavily populated servers.

At least HoT will fix that part of population and FULL status issues.

HOPE disbanded over a year ago. My point was that I prefer to play wvw for fights. I pugmand about 4 nights a week.

My point is the FULL status could be legit and something as simple as a fairweather domino effect. Without a dev to explain it’s just whistling Dixie.

GvG guilds transferring to top tiers and getting carried is still just exacerbating this whole problem.