Guild Wars 2

I played with premade the last days and 99% of my matches has been premade vs premade.
Was the matchmaking good? Yea it worked as intended 4 diamonds/legendaries vs 4 diamonds/legendaries.
Were the matches fair? No, we basically won everything 500:100, 500:200.

But I just like how everyone is posting irrelevant screens to prove that the “matchmaking” would be so bad.

I’ve seen screens where 5 rubys fight 5 rubys while one team gets 500:20, which means that one team had 5 terrible players.

—> thing is the “matchmaking” can’t find out who is a terrible player since all of them are ruby

Another one is posting a screen where you see 4 diamonds vs 4 rubys, complaining about how unfair it would be.

—> not taking into consideration that it is possible that the ruby players could be 1 pip aways from diamond and the diamond players could be only 2 pips away from ruby.
It is way more unfair if a player with 1 pip in ruby is fighting another ruby player but with 15 pips. THE PIP RANGE MATTERS NOT THE DIVISIONS

The only legit complain is actually when soloqers get farmed by 5 man premade.
And no a duoque that loses against a triple queue is entirely something different.

You all crying for a “perfect” matchmaking where all 10 players should basically have the same amount of pips, where matches end 500:499 and where not a single class is stacked. But on the other hand, you go crazy when you get quetimes past 10 minutes.

Jackalrat.5493:

I am a necro player, but I really don’t wanna run the build that requires me to run around flinging a magic wand. Every single meta necro build is condi scepter. This clearly needs to be toned down in a way that hopefully doesn’t hurt power necros, which I suspect everyone will agree are far from overpowered.

An unviable necro build does not become any better only because you nerf the viable build. If you do this, you simply have two unviable builds.

Fivedawgs.4267:

Spartacus.3192:

Fivedawgs.4267:

For example, Trackfull W (the new Abjured rev/sub) signature is taunt + their Staff 5 skill.

How can a Rev taunt someone on demand? From what i know there is only one taunt trait ""Eye for an Eye" and that is a passive taunt when CC’ed.

idk, dude but that dude always have me under the yellow stuff me with x and Staff 5. My knowledge of other classes is pretty meh..

lol omg, read the wiki, i guess he proccs it everytime i stun him. This is quite interesting, so Headbutt + 100 b doesnt work on a rev with “eye for an eye”… 5 sec proc, and what not. I’ll try switching to rampage.

jon snow knows more about this game than you do, it seems

Best plan is to push far,win far ,hold far 1v2 and then blame your team if they lose meanwhile the other nodes

Once he was First rank 80 and best engineer universe
Seems he didnt reach this lvl with scrapper

@RossBiddle (XD)

Getting a short decap and winning the 1v1 over a longer term is a huge difference. My 20h thief can decap most of the chronos as well.

Sykper.6583:

Gonna have to agree, Moa had to get hit. Anything less than 6 seconds I would have called foul on though.

Nevertheless, Dominik, care to enlighten us how exactly Warrior comes close to S2 Reaper?

You have the same kitten mobility,way more survivability and in 2v2s etc. you are as strong as reaper was in s2. On top of that warrior has much more matchups that are in his favour than reaper ever had

So the better question is how exactly warrior doesn’t come close to s2 reaper?

Sykper.6583:

Edit: Let’s take it a step further. Give me some competitive comps you might see PL show with this Season’s buffs. I see Tempest/Warrior/Thief/Engineer/Druid, or Tempest/Warrior/Mesmer/Necro/Engineer

Those are basically the worst comps you could list here tbh. Nobody has ever played it and nobody ever will play one of those comps. Allthough I have to admit you didn’t make a dragonhunter + core classes comp, so I will give this to you.

Ross Biddle.2367:

dominik.9721:

Idk maybe all the warriors from pl are just super bad then?
I agree with countering every condition build but it doesn’t hardcounter carrion chrono at the moment. Against wanderer warriors carrion is probably even better than mercenary, because you got more vitality instead of toughness.

Can confirm, there is a wave of terrible warrior players running around with the meta setup right now. Warrior might be simple, but it still requires enough knowledge of when to hit what button, and what you can and cannot do.

Amulet makes no difference for this matchup. Condi and Power berserker hard counter chrono, either forcing the decap, or outright killing the chrono if he’s silly enough to hang around.

Im not talking about terrible warriors and mesmers running around in ranked atm,playing the class for the first time.
I was actually reffering to warr and mes mains from pl. I played a lot of games with rom the last days and he was struggeling against mesmers as well, so pls. My own teammember says that he has great chances to beat condition warriors etc.
wanderer warr is everything but not a hardcounter.

Idk maybe all the warriors from pl are just super bad then?
I agree with countering every condition build but it doesn’t hardcounter carrion chrono at the moment. Against wanderer warriors carrion is probably even better than mercenary, because you got more vitality instead of toughness.

RlyOsim.2497:

JTGuevara.9018:

Let’s not repeat the same mistake as with mesmer, specifically MOA nerf, which to me was totally unnecessary.

Stop reading here.

Either you’re a low level troll or just a casual. Either way, don’t post on the forums please.

^
Yea every high tier player was asking for moa nerfs since ages, even the main mesmers…

Idk fivedawgs,furajir,ross biddle (XD)and this guy should actually all get togeather and create a club for forum clowns – maybe they even get paid for.

Ross Biddle.2367:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

War dosent do well 1v1 vs condi mes. Too many clones

Dear lord…. Both power and condi Berserker hard counters condi chrono.

The presence of clones makes life much easier for war because there’s always something for his burst skills to hit.

Certain mes builds are great for countering war (blind heavy, for example).

Condition berserker defintly does not counter carrion chrono. in fact chrono and marauder scrapper are currently the only classes that can win fights on point against condition warrior 1v1 – at least with reference to a skill lvl that isn’t garbage. Idk about power warrior, but it isn’t viable on a higher lvl anyways, so who cares.

And yea the skill already was broken before the latest patches but nobody really cared because warrior wasn’t viable. Now it is -so enjoy the powercreep, the peeps did ask for.

Yea sigill proccs and impacting disruption defintly shouldn’t trigger the venom

drcraig.9403:

dominik.9721:

drcraig.9403:

First and foremost we need to understand that we have to hit to get AH regen
Our best heal, healing sig heals us for a whopping 2.5k

Telling me I’d be wrong on so many points while writing this bs at the same time.
I’ll give you a solid 6/10
But keep trying you are cute

I did you a favor, I usually charge people for educating them

According to your quoted statements you should maybe educate yourself about your own class?

First and foremost we need to understand that we have to hit to get AH regen
Our best heal, healing sig heals us for a whopping 2.5k

drcraig.9403:

First and foremost we need to understand that we have to hit to get AH regen
Our best heal, healing sig heals us for a whopping 2.5k

Telling me I’d be wrong on so many points while writing this bs at the same time.
I’ll give you a solid 6/10
But keep trying you are cute

where does your assumption come from that warrior is not even close to reapers last season? I’m 100% sure if you rechange the chill nerf reaper would still not be any better than warrior right now.

Wolfric.9380:

I doge offpoint keeping preasure and come in again ….. Not best for point holding but better to kill then to die and loose the point …
Can´t say till now if warrior is OP. ITs two weeks ago i played him, felt better but i use power warrior not condi …

You can kite as much as you want. If you aren’t marauder scrapper or carrion mesmer you won’t win any 1v1 thanks to the sustian.

liar?
Everyone with more than two brain cells who is not biased just because it’s his own class sees that warrior is currently as over the top as reaper etc was last season.

But yea teach me senpai, how to “kite” a warrior onpoint. Im sure each time the warrior swaps to mace in berserk form, you suggest to run offpoint? Or what do you want to “kite” and “range”? And then you even compare it with necromancer wells – lmao

And just you know something about your own class, longbow f1 has not to hit a target and reflecting or destroying scorched earth happens maybe once a year.

I already called it out that warrior will be too powerfull right after the patch. People doubt that warrior would be even played in top tier pvp. Teams immediately put warrior into their roster and the forum heroes slowly realize what they got there.

Allright if warrior condition management is fine druid condition cleanses were fine as well. If the warrior healing via traits is fine so was from scrappers and if the condition dmg output is balanced I dont understand why people cried about reapers.

You are just fine with the powercreep suddenly because it finally has hit our own class

Xanctus The Dragonslayer.2318:

dominik.9721:

All those weird comments like keep the warrior in range…pls the meta build includes longbow that spams firefields and has great pressure over all.
Also when talking about pvp we have on point fights and not 1v1s on beach of forest map

One conditions primarily. Are we gonna make a problem about one friggin condition here? The meta build does mostly burn damage. Nothing a condi cleanse can cure. If u don’t pay attention to the LB then that is you fault.

The thing is many posters have provided viable counters for both melee and ranged version. Warrior is not OP.

Eh saying you should range the warrior is just stupid when you have on point fights while the warrior isnt even full melee. The only node where you can kite warrior is legacy waterfall node and mid nod.

And tbh nobody said sth why warrior isnt slighlty over the top. You just insist it isnt. Highest condition dmg output, best condition management with cleanses and resistance and 800 hp/sec uptime with longbow is imo not balanced.

The condition build is powercreeped.Fact.And I say this as warrior main.

All those weird comments like keep the warrior in range…pls the meta build includes longbow that spams firefields and has great pressure over all.
Also when talking about pvp we have on point fights and not 1v1s on beach of forest map

What the kitten I played way too much and have only 36 games so far

People will never understand that class stacking has nothing to do with matchmaking it seems.

lighter.2708:

dominik.9721:

lighter.2708:

they are only op because you have no idea how they work..

A lot of people know how warrior works, some of them even main them.

But yea.. 3 condition cleanses every 3 seconds in berserk mode with longbow… high resistance uptime…. 800hp/sec healing which is basically as much as a ranger using permanently troll unguent …. and dealing the highest condition dmg of all classes right now doesn’t seem slightly overpowered at all.

Stop being so delusional and finally accept that our class got as powercreeped as the other classes which you guys all have been complaining about – but it seems as soon as it’s our own class, everything is fine – pathetic.

you obviously don’t understand how warrior works

I’m pretty sure I know more about warrior than you do and already played it in tournements more successfully than you ever will. Considering I only stated facts based on numberes I’m very curious where it is obvious that I don’t even udnerstand how warrior works -but sure, enlighten us senpai

lighter.2708:

they are only op because you have no idea how they work..

A lot of people know how warrior works, some of them even main them.

But yea.. 3 condition cleanses every 3 seconds in berserk mode with longbow… high resistance uptime…. 800hp/sec healing which is basically as much as a ranger using permanently troll unguent …. and dealing the highest condition dmg of all classes right now doesn’t seem slightly overpowered at all.

Stop being so delusional and finally accept that our class got as powercreeped as the other classes which you guys all have been complaining about – but it seems as soon as it’s our own class, everything is fine – pathetic.

Jesus guys, stop bringing those kind of arguments:

“People are just used to warrior being a freekill blablablub”

warrior running the condition-build got pushed onto the same lvl of powercreep you all have been complaining about. So pls stop and face the truth.

I main warrior myself and there is nothing healthy or good for the game in this warr build – it’s as powercreeped as reaper/scrapper etc. was.

The current warrior build has much better sustain than every necro build you can go for. Not to mention that warrior applies much more dangerous conditions than the necromancer.

And just you know, pro league warriors played 50/50 merc/wanderers so far. And I wasn’t talking about farming random revenants in unranked

The warrior changes weren’t introduced with season 3, revenant didn’t get any buffs season 3 and the meta build has already used wanderers and mercenary.
So what’s your point?

When I say ‘The current’ I’m obviously not reffering to season 2, am I?

Im ruby now and Im stucked there pls halp

The current condition meta build can pretty much faceroll every revenant even with wanderers. Doesn’t really matter if the rev is invocation or retribution.

burtnik the drama-queen <3

I also hoped for retribtion change to be honest. A full passive traitline and especally the taunt trait is just super dumb.

Good changes overall tho which will bring thief closer and closer which is defintly a good thing.

Spartacus.3192:

This thread is laughably sad.

Warriors were trash tier for 2 seasons. They now get a buff. Season 3 hasn’t even started yet but all i see here is players who used to farm other players who were stubborn enough to play warrior in S1 and S2, now having difficulty killing them.

People complaining about double endure pain like its a new thing. You’re only having trouble now because of the adrenal health healing them a lot during the double endure pain. Also i suspect people have forgotten how to fight warriors or at least got used to ROFLStomping them in the last 2 seasons.

Bring poison and learn to kite a warrior.

Maybe season 3 will show that the regen might need a shave but i strongly disagree in doing that solely based only on unranked performances.

SMH.

I main warrior myself, just you know.
It’s just funny to see all those people complained about powercreep,overpowered classes and what not else but when their own class gets pushed onto the same lvl. everything is fine and none is allowed to address balance issues simply because warrior was unviable for 2 seasons. Guess what, necro for example was unviable for ages and got nerfed after one season because they were too strong.

Yes, that’s the thing with that you find out which are 1v1s in your favour and which aren’t. How you have to rotate and so on – and after each balance patch you can repeat.

Much better source and reference than spreading untrue facts based on unranked
Stop being so mad pls.

scrims? conversation between players who used to main those classes? 1v1s in own arenas etc?

Considering unranked is up currently, you prolly fought worse people than the mist npcs,whatsoever…
I can also kill druids with my thief in unranked – that’s not a good reference, tho.
Everyone, who mains reaper or mesmer can confirm that reaper currently loses to mesmer and warrior meta build or is at least in an unfavoured matchup

If you think necro wins mesmers or warriors because of corruption ,I have to tell you that you are indeed bad

Rest in RIP

Terrorsquad.4802:

It’s really entertaining to see people think the game is balanced around 1v1, while it’s balanced around CONQUEST/5v5.

It’s really weird to see that people still bring this type of argument. 1v1s are a big part of 5v5 conquest since you have three nodes and not one. Classes like mesmer that can push basically in every 1v1 creating a winning situation on this node are a huge advantage.

Don’t expect every class should win 1v1 vs any class, like it was in 2013-2014.
That time is over. You need to be more strategic and send the RIGHT class to the RIGHT point where the RIGHT enemy is for him to fight/stall.

But that’s exactly the point people are complaining about? That mesmer, warrior and druid currently win too much 1v1s. It doesn’t matter if you send your warrior or mesmer against a revenant,scrapper,reaper,dragonhunter etc you play ways less strategic then before.

Warrior kills necro 1v1? Fine, learn from it and don’t engage warrior as necro then. You can send anything else.
You can still send Necro to other points vs Revs/Engi/Mesmers and/or support in teamfights.
This pro tip is free on the house.

It’s not like the necro has to engage the warrior it’s enough when your warrior pushs the nodes against a necromancer. Considering now that you need your druid to 1v1 the enemy mesmer while thief/revenant/scrapper/dragonhunter and ele would be in a bad matchup against the warrior as well, you already have a huge disadvantage. Interesting to see what huge impact 1v1s in 5v5 do have, right?
And sending your necromancer against a mesmer like you suggest is also not so pro, sorry mate.

Anyways, you simply missed the point I was saying with warr vs reaper. It was just a reply to your strange statement that “poison would kill warriors”, allthough in fact warrior has nearly the best condition management right now and can faceroll any condition class apart from mesmer.

not gonna lie but this is the most kittened suggestion I’ve read so far

Fivedawgs.4267:

dominik.9721:

@fivedawgs the condition build which is/was meta has never used mercenary it has used wanderers

Now thats new, because last week.. Final form pulled a mercenary warrior… Crysis, i believe, is the only one who played with wanderers. So, i have yet to face a wanderer warrior but ok.

Ye this guy even played without longbow and rerolled next match to necro. EU warrs played wanderers but of course the good builds are new to NA.

@fivedawgs the condition build which is/was meta has never used mercenary it has used wanderers but we already know you talk more than you actually know

No it’s not underperforming in conquest.It’s legitly super strong in conquest right now. Nothing but preferences does stop warrior to be used in top tier teams and even then I bet everything I have that it is suboptimal to not use warrior right now.

And the time were poisn ‘killed’ warrior is gone. You have resistance, brawlers recovery and cleansing irse which can be used every 3 seconds thanks to longbow berserk f1. Bad warriors can faceroll even top tier reapers at the moment, so pls…

You are just completly unaware of the usage and strenght of warrior at the moment – and according to you you are even warrior main – sad fact.

I can assure you if EU teams wouldn’t have so many thief mains and if the seedings wouldn’t already have been settled anyways they probably all played warrior comp like TCG. Warrior isn’t far away from rev/mes/druid lvl at the moment with the build denshee played.

Terrorsquad.4802:

Wait so.. Berserkers are in no way viable in the meta but they still need a nerf on regen?

If they would have OP regen, they would be in the meta as bunker or w/e.

I guess, we all forgot you are the person who defines the meta.

Im just leaving this to you that serveral teams already added it to their main roster.
And it’s way too strong as it is currently. It basically got pushed onto druid/rev/mes level.

Very good suggestions but I don’t agree with the buff to berserker stance. Warrior already has way too much resistance – and combined with cleansing irse and longbow berserk f1 skills on 3s cd you are pretty much unkillable against condition builds. Bad warriors can faceroll even top tier reapers currently.

I would suggest an intern cd of 5-8 on cleansing irse.

I also really like the idea someone had that warbanner is aoe rezz and aoe stomp

I main warrior and warrior with berserk in general is indeed to strong at the moment, at least with reference to the condition builds.

Cleansing irse combined with the 33% cooldown reduction of berserk f1 skills is just too strong. You can cleanse every 2-3 seconds three conditions for free with longbow, which is just sick. Together with adrenalin health heal the sustain is god like.Considering now the condition dmg output with longbow and mace it’s not hard to say that warrior is defintly over the top at the moment with one specific build.

Either the 33% cd redcution trait should get removed or cleansing irse should get an intern cooldown of 5-8 seconds. Adrenalin health heal should get nerfed by 30% and should scale better with healing power to compensate.

To be fair nobody said anything about that the revenant would apply those boons permanently. It’s just simply a fact that the revenant in general is the best example to describe the boon-powercreep.

Back in the days you had a bunkerguard to share stability, to provide might with empower, your dps-bruisers used pack-rune to share swiftness and fury with each other, quickness was a rare boon and the access to it had a huge trade off.

Nowadays you have classes with stab on dodge, classes that share massive boons for the whole team ( which was one of the main reason teams played 2x rev) and classes with laughable easy access to quickness. You have classes that have acces to about 20 seconds resistance and classes that are walking along with self buffed 20 stacks of might.

The boon inflation is only one part of the powercreep but revenant combines pretty much all aspects of the powercreep.

tarcis made it…. k..
The old interrupt build, strength traded for berserk with wanderers amuelt which thousand of people tried at the same time but ofc tarcis made it – like he made shoutbow adn greatsword/lb which none ever played before him – I dont know why there are always certain people who claim they would have created a build which thousand of people already tried before/ play at the same time

in pvp mace/lb warr with wanderers is pretty much top tier again ye

This tournement is dead for ages. Serveral teams signed up for today to bring it back to life and the admin is too lazy to process the sign ups.

Eeeh, gg I guess?

you can manage it to start outside of the door when the counter starts, which means he can walk to your base during the 10 seconds and use the elite. no hacks or anything just bug-abuse

Actually everyone good who played condition warr used wanderers don’t know why you guys even crying. I think in pro league nobody ever used mercenary