Let’s play a game. Which skills are passive and which ones are active.
Ready kiddos?
Natural Vigor: 20% Endurance Regeneration
vs.
Thick Skin: Bonus toughness above hp threshold
vs.
Adrenal Health: Hitting an enemy with F1 in order to activate a regen effect.
Take your time. I know it’s hard.
They are all passive imo.
EVERYONE also considered the scrapper heal-trait passive allthough you had to do actively something for it. Just accept that there are people with different opinions.
Take your time. I know it’s hard to read before typing full of anger.
You don’t get to change the definition of a word just because you don’t agree with the actual one.
Again, how would you give War better sustain via traits without tying it to Bursts?
I don’t really care about any definition you may have found on wiki or somewhere else. I just replied to you because imo this trait is as passive as other traits that are considered passive by the big crowd.
I also didn’t say that I’m not fine with the idea providing heal via bursts. I just said that it is basically the same passive powercreep like other classes got.
Let’s play a game. Which skills are passive and which ones are active.
Ready kiddos?
Natural Vigor: 20% Endurance Regeneration
vs.
Thick Skin: Bonus toughness above hp threshold
vs.
Adrenal Health: Hitting an enemy with F1 in order to activate a regen effect.
Take your time. I know it’s hard.
They are all passive imo. For the first two traits you don’t have to do anything and for the third trait you have to hit one skill to get a passive effect over 15 seconds.
EVERYONE also considered the scrapper heal-trait passive allthough you had to do actively something for it. It’s basically exactly the same.
Just accept that there are people with different opinions.
Take your time. I know it’s hard to read before typing full of anger
You have to ACTIVATE AND HIT with f1 to get the regen.
Prettttttttttty sure there’s nothing passive about it, you’re literally ACTIVATING a skill to get the bonus that comes from the effect.
Just like you have to ACTIVATE EP for it to give you the effect.
You don’t get Adrenal Health by not doing anything.
Ya’ll trollin, have to be.
I didn’t deny that you actively have to do sth for it. Not sure if you even read my post.
As I said, for the necro transfer trait you also have to do ACTIVELY a critical attack and the scrapper had to get ACTIVELY superspeed and swiftness for his heal-trait – still everyone – me included- considers this passive and not active.
Idk what’s so hard to understand that there are people outside who don’t consider everything active only because you have to press one botton for it.
A trait that heals you for 15 seconds about 500hp each second passively for using one skill once is in my opinion more passive than active – deal with it that there are opinions which are different from yours.
As I said, I consider it passive when you get passively healed via a trait over 15 seconds for hitting once with f1 .
I also did consider the scrapper heal trait passive allthough you had to get swiftness and superspeed actively.
I consider the necro transfer-trait passive allthough you have to do a critical attack actively for it and to be honest everyone else does as well.
So feel free to think whatever you like but in my opinion it is as passive as some certain other traits from other classes that are considered passive by the big crowed.
Guys, you are totally misusing the term passive. A passive is something that the player doesn’t trigger on their own.
Passives: Defy Pain, Adaptive Armor, Diamond Skin, Instictive Reaction, any of the traits that give bonus stats
These skills happen on their own without the player doing anything except being hit by the enemy. Having to activate a skill, apply a certain boon, or even just evading may not be difficult in some cases BUT IT IS NOT PASSIVE!
Adrenal Health triggers as a result of the player connecting with a Burst, hence not passive.
lmao.
You have to use f1 once to get passivly 500~ hp each second over 15 seconds.
That is everything but not an active gameplay-trait.
Call it whatever you want but for me it’s passive.
According to your logic, the passive transfer trait of necros is also activ since you have to do a critical attack for it and revenant legend-swap-dmg is not passive because first of all you have to swap legends activly.
Maybe you just have a different definition of passive, Idk.
it is passive, tho. and the warrior meta build will probably be a pure passive cleric build. a viable build which is core spec that’s everything we wanted, am I right?
such fun
Just that you guys know:
Neither I play scrapper nor I play reaper. I main druid since season 1 and druids sustain is pathetically overpowered now since reaper got nerfed.
I also didn’t say that nerfs of the HoT specs wouldn’t be justified, I complained about anet being unable to find a healthy midway.
I wasn’t the only one who was hoping for something like this:
- revenant nerfed so you can choose between revenant and thief
-scrapper survivablity adjusted
-reaper passive damage output adjusted
-condition mesmer nerf, buff for power builds
-druids and eles healing-amount adjusted
-warrior back to viability
-dragonhunter back to viablity
Instead of this basically 2 classes droped out of the meta and mesmer/druid/ele/revenant seem as strong as never before.
If someone complains about hot tempratures in Africa, anet will send you with a chance of 90% to the Northpole
You don’t balance classes. You either make them op or unviable.
Scrapper and Reaper were too strong and instead of adjusting those classes you make them pretty much unviable.
Druid and Eles sustain seems entirely overpowered now after Reapers are gone, Mesmer didn’t even got touched while Revenant nearly remains the same as before.
Next patch you probably will kill two other classes while making others overpowered.
How can you say that he didnt matter allthough he was the reason for plenty of decaps and serveral enemy teamwipes.
They did against CC nearly better than TCG and Sindreners thief was reason NR 1.
Because they figured out that if they just ignore him they’ll win. You can’t say someone was of importance if the other team IGNORED him the entire match and WON. It’s just not logical.
Now I was hooting and hollering for their win with everyone else. I WANTED oRNG to win. When they lost I was actually upset b/c the big bad meta won and the oRNG freedom fighters lost. I just wish they never figured out that ignoring Sin was the correct thing to do…..would have been pandemonium with a oRNG victory.
Yes Im pretty sure they won because they “ignored” him.
Sorry but thats just a dumb statement and only here because the opponents said something like this in the Interview which is just super untrue imo simply because they didnt ignore sinds thief. Its not even possible to irgnore someone as long as he is present. They had to recap decaped points they wiped in teamfights and they died when sindrener played +1. Nice “ignore”. There may be 100 reasons they won the game but not because they ignored sindrener.
Nobody of you would have ever said that they ignored the thief if the enemy team wouldnt have mentioned sth like this in the interview where the people just say something to make a quick response to the question.
How can you say that he didnt matter allthough he was the reason for plenty of decaps and serveral enemy teamwipes.
They did against CC nearly better than TCG and Sindreners thief was reason NR 1.
He said instant rezz not instant cast, it is aoe and it is also precastable which every good warrior did. I think pretty much every druid would trade SnR for battle standard.
Soloquer who lost against triple-druid identified.
Healing turret was also already over the top before HoT. Marauder engi had better survivability than any other marauder class.
It’s nothing wrong with core engi + healing turret atm because core engi is too weak in general compared to HoT-specs. But that’s not a valid argument to justify the heal skill as it is.
I know this. When I reached legend after 1 week I had 6h queuetimes and before that I kind of had pro league matches. It still didn’t feel challanging at all, tho. Sometimes I rerolled my 2h thief or my warrior just for fun. And as I said, people did it with f2p account within the first two weeks.
But maybe NA is more challanging, dunno.
If we go un-adjusted through another balance patch, I will probably do what I always do. Stream myself pushing to legendary, then just lingering around the game until the season is over. Those first 2 weeks of leagues are pretty challenging.
In what way was it challenging to reach legendary this season in two weeks? People got legendary with f2p accounts within one week 2 times in a row. With that matchmaking I probably could get legendary with a naked P/P-teef in this time.
Why not just change it so that either ONLY the pet OR the druid can rez? Having both rezzing a teammate at the same time literally makes the rez end in 1.5 seconds and is too quick to have a reasonable chance to counter.
Ye I also want some further information to whether it is even worth to play with a team and pvp in general or not. I wont put effort into a team when there is no real tournement in the future.
I already explained to you why it is a terrible comparison. Because you compare one instant skill with chill ticks that are caused over a longer period than 40(!) seconds. You don’t take the time for the damage-application into your consideration. So you compare apples with pears.
In those 40 seconds for example I could cast 10 precision strikes in theory and not only one which your compariosn is based on.
And as I said when I have 1 bleeding on me the entire game I’ll have 90k in the combat log , so ‘bleeding’ > everything?
Can I just leave this here?
Also, a thing I found insanely annoying is when I’m on my guardian and F3 into Rev sword 3 only to have 3/5 attacks hitting anyway.
I’ve had 22k Chill damage on my combat log while i was a thief. Don’t ask me how i mitigated that kitten. Your PS damage is peanuts compared to what I endured …
What a terrible comparison.
You compare a single attack that hits instantly one time with 40 chill-ticks that are caused over at least 40 seconds and by multipile attacks. Considering now that a thief cleanses chill even by sneezing, it means that this chill damage was caused over an even way longer period than 40 seconds.
When I have 1 bleed on me the entire game I can show you about 90.000k in the combat log. Following your comparison : 90k> 22k – therefore ‘bleeding’ > ‘chill’
Nice contradiction you have there. Considering you have one account in ruby and the others in diamond, it exactly means that the difference is absolutly meaningless. We are talking about 10~ pips which is equal to 5 random wins.
We all know that the current matchmaking favours players once they have won a lot and punishes those who started to lose a lot. This is known since the second week of this season. The thing is your ‘proof’ is absolutly meaningless because we are talking about mid ruby/diamond and not sapphire/prestige X. Your example is literally the worst out of all the complain-threads.
You don’t get my point again. The difference between mid ruby and diamond is so small it is absolutly meaningless and prooves actually nothing.
My winrate went from 60% to 72% this season which is a much better example to show how broken this mm is.
His example is just bad and proves nothing.
I’m very curious what anet plans to do at the moment, anyways.
On the one hand, pro league defintly didn’t deliver the desired success – so it is questionable if anet will go on with esport-tournements. It is questionable if it is even worth to do so.
On the other hand, if they don’t do it I think most of the professional or ambitious players will leave the game.
And when professional players leave a game, people from the big cowd will follow.
Idk, most of the good druids don’t even use this skill anymore because it’s completly useless on every map apart from kyhlo against people who aren’t entirely bad.
No, sorry wouldnt say that. Again: using it on a point where you will just get cleave and cc’ed to death is useless. But you can use it in a smart way. I have two examples:
-2v2 on close, watching the healthbars I suppose we will loose. So I move there, at approx 900 units use SnR, first downed pulled out, let pet ress: interrupt stomp on second downed, move in and ress too while the other one gets himself up outside in safety.
-1 down on close, moving in, SnR outside of point, enemy guard wastes their entire burst potential on the downed (unsuccessfully) while I decap the point and send her some arrows.
I know how to use SnR. Fact of the matter is that SnR is only strong on kyhlo and isn’t impactfull on any other map against decent people.
Idk, most of the good druids don’t even use this skill anymore because it’s completly useless on every map apart from kyhlo against people who aren’t entirely bad.
If you would read properly before you start typing full of anger you would have seen that I listed 3 different viable builds. I have to admit retribution power revenant isn’t much different from invocation power revenant but it’s still more diversity than for some other classes.
I’d say the build diversity is even pretty good in comparison to other classes.Considering you can play power revenant with invocation, power revenant with retribution or even condition revenant with mallyx, you have 3 viable options which is more than most other classes have.
pls stop comparing precision strike with true shot. neither the dh has the same survivability and mobility nor he is able to deal an additional 6k hit by swaping legends and weapons instantly.
Not to mention that the animation of true shot is much more obvious than the animation of precision strike.
Oh look, you bring the weapon swap and passive procs mechanics again…
No I’m just considering the whole picture instead of comparing 2 skills seperated from the classes like you do.
Saying that true shot is pretty equal to precision strike because of the cooldown and the damage coefficents while ignoring everything else is just super short minded. Even in PvE it’s not that simple lmao
pls stop comparing precision strike with true shot. neither the dh has the same survivability and mobility nor he is able to deal an additional 6k hit by swaping legends and weapons instantly.
Not to mention that the animation of true shot is much more obvious than the animation of precision strike.
No Rev nerf until the lame Necro and Scrappers get hit, I don’t care about precision strike or surge of the mists, but please, nerf that stupid condi bot and sustain bot!
No Necro or Scrapper nerft until the lame revenant gets hit, I don’t care about chilldamage or the sustain, but please, nerf that stupid dmg bot!
They clearly don’t know what to do and tbh neither do I.
It’s not even like warrior would really need buffs since warrior itself is as easy and as strong as never before – the warrior got powercreeped with HoT, as well. But it’s more like that other classes are so much ahead of warrior because they have a class desing and class abilities that allowes them to fit a certain and important role in pvp. Running offpoint with greatsword and snacking people like in Hotjoin or WvW simply isn’t a role and that’s exactly in which the warrior is stucked in.
Gunflame-builds, the condition-build with mace and any other dps-greatsword build with arc divider just reached another level of dumbness.
Those builds are super simple to play while dealing high damage but without providing any viable role in pvp.
I mained warrior for 3 years,I played in nearly every meta and had to reroll then. When I play warrior nowadays just for the lolz in pvp, it is super unfun for me because I have to play those stupid builds.
You have basically 3 option to make warrior viable again:
1) buff warrior so hard that it is super overpowered
2) nerf everything else pretty hard while warrior remains with those stupid builds
3) Change the warrior desing itself
I’m pretty sure anet either will do 1+2 so that warrior gets overpowered or they will basically do nothing so that warrior stays where it is.
