Guild Wars 2

I have played an MM Reaper off Metabattle.

lmao

At least the best warrior build so far imo. Allthough I have to admit I would prefer the taunt trait. On the one hand it provides confusion+bleed + weakness together with the strength-traits and on the other hand it makes it easier to hit a safe mace f1 right afterwards. I also like mercenary much more on warrior because you ‘condi-burst’ most of the targets – so the duration is pretty much meaningless.

Ah so reaper and condition mes ‘counters’ scrapper,ele,druid and revenant in teamfight?
This statement is even more wrong.
And 2+ reapers in one team is still terrible btw.

Inb4 warrior gets more dmg next patch because of this thread.

Let’s be serious, warrior damage is defintly not the problem. The disadvantage of the warrior in comparison to other Dmg-Bruisers is that the warrior has no teleports and not the sustain like other classes – that’s it.

DPS warrior atm is on of the dumbest and easiest builds the warrior could go for in the gamehistory. Gs3 + passive sigills, gunflame etc…. Even hambow demanded more skill.
The only reason it seems hard is that other classes are too strong and the only reason it’s unviable is the lack of teleports and survivability.

Ragion.2831:

Chaith.8256:

Just cause everyone chooses Condi Mes or Condi Necros, it doesn’t mean there aren’t Engineers, Eles, Rangers, Revenants that fight as equals.

That’s just perceived balance, whereas before there literally was only Rev/Mes on the top tier.

Condi mes and necro counters everyone else on that list lol not as many revenants anymore probably because of the condi meta but engi and ele yes because they can sustain when they need to against the power builds that many still use and rangers have the search and rescue

but i see your point.

However, when nearly every match it seems that the side with the most condi necro/mes wins, nothing about it strikes as equal to me.

I would be careful with statements like ’ this counters that ’
In fact there are only a very few ‘counters’ in the whole game.
Revs and druids for example have a fair chance against reapers while druid and scrapper can also stalemate mesmers.

I also have never understood why people say that it would be good to stack reapers. Even in soloq it’s just terrible to have more than 2+ reapers.

Revenant
Ele
Scrapper
Reaper
Mesmer

Apart from some NA teams everyone will run this probably

Alkore is in MMR-Hell but he is legendary, tho
He just can’t tie his shoes

Hunter.4783:

Random Weird Guy.3528:

This is skill that takes out around 40% of the hp bar, while CCing you in the process, but by the time you see the animation it’s already too late to react to it.

There needs to be at least half a second of a windup animation for this attack if the damage and CC is going to remain the same, either that or the damage/cc needs to be toned down on this skill.

And before anyone says you can counter it with stability, the rev is obviously going to use it when you have either no stability or only 1-2 stacks of stability since those would be stripped easily by the attack.

You add counterplay to Staff 5 after you add counter play to reaper insane condi pressure or scrapper sustain.

We could actually introduce some revenant-bingo for nonsense-argumentations. Everytime someone says you have to nerf overtuned scrapper/reaper skills BEFORE you are allowed to nerf overtuned revenant skills we’ll have a winner.

Hunter you are a winner!

SnR is only broken on Kyhlo because you teleport people through the clocktower and walls in general. Apart from that you get only a very few rezzes against good people who expect it.

Krysard.1364:

Amineo.8951:

No adjustements to Revenant should be made before toning down Necro, Scrapper and condis in general.

No toning down to Necro, Scrapper, and condis in general should be made before adjusting revenants

Hahaha exactly this. I said this a lot of times in another thread and I just can not understand how people can argue like this. Saying that revenant shouldn’t gte nerfed before reaper and scrapper gets nerfed is such a dumb argumentation.

Cynz summed it up pretty well.
I want to add revenant staff 5, warriors gunflame and those traits who give passivly stability on dodge

I think the mist npc-ele can contribute better to a win than you did

Conversation between two teammates in legendary division.
Also seems like legendary is hard to reach.

If the op means with’ top tier pvp’ hitting legendary division then warrior is fine. There are people who got legend 4 times in a row with f2p accounts within 2 weeks. I thought he is reffering to torunies

Yes, other classes were sent into the future while the warrior remains in the stone age.

Physical skills are completly outdated and skills like ‘On my mark’, ‘For greater justice’, banner etc. are beyond garbage nowadays and were good for cof p1 in 2012.
A class with that design can’t compete in the current state which is dominated by teleports,instant-dmg, evades , massive invulnerability,blocks and stability by dodging.

The whole warrior class has simply become an ineffective class without any support or usage in pvp. And it also has become a way more dumb class for pvp imo. Back in the days when hambow and so on was a thing, you had to time your stuns and immobelizes in teamfights and scirmishes. Nowadays warriors run either gunflame and condition builds that spam f1 or zerk builds where the main dmg source is Greatsword 3 and passive sigill procs.Warrior just doesn’t have any usefull role while it also has become worse and dumber. So many great warriors stoped to play it because they dislike the class now.

R.I.P. Hambow and Shoutbow

you always nerf the opest class and see how everyone will adapt , not the one in between.

No you nerf ALL classes which are op and revenant is op… in what way does it matter that in your opinion scrapper is about 1,4536% more op than revenant?
I didn’t say nerf ONLY the revenant. But you are saying that we shouldn’t nerf revenant allthough it is op because there is a class which is even more op.

So it’s basically the same nonsense with your thief example – “don’t punish this thief because that thief has stolen even more”

Wrong! You punish both of them.

Jesus…

Yes you are creating some strange cases which are completly irrelevant.
Rev is op
scrapper is o
reaper is op

Rev should get nerfed
scrapper should get nerfed
reaper should get nerfed

I made a thread about revenant

You are saying that rev shouldn’t get nerfed because reaper and scrapper is in your opinion more op – which is exactly as non sense as your thief-example.

It’s getting annoying….

you said this

Nope, it is like saying if you are going to punish me for stealing you better punish bigger thieves than I; since everyone has been complaining about them.

which means exactly what I said

@Astralporing

No I’m like someone who says we have a lot of broken stuff in this game currently and let’s talk about revenant in this thread.

Revenant is too strong in the overall picture. It has too much dmg,too much sustain and too much mobility all in one. That has nothing to do with seperating anything and not taking the whole picture into consideration.

And what you are doing is saying that revenant is op but in comparison to reaper and scrapper it is completly fine because those are also op. Considering now that reaper,scrapper and revenant are all used in the current meta – the game is well balanced.

This kind of argumentation is pathetic.

@Fivedawgs

Nope, it is like saying if you are going to punish me for stealing you better punish bigger thieves than I; since everyone has been complaining about them.

Your logic is in that way lacking that you basically say that a thief shouldn’t get punished for stealing as long as there is someone who stole more than him.

Ok to say it in different words:

In the past we had thiefs, guardians, mesmer, powernecros and warriors in this role.
Not a single class of them offered all those strengthes like the revenant is doing now.

Could you ever imagine a thief or a shatter mesmer taking a 1v1 against other bruiser classes? Could you ever imagine a medi-guard being as fast as a revenant while sharing massive boons? When was the last time you saw a shatter-mes having that incredible survivability on marauder amulet?
Can you imagine any other class atm. that isn’t 100 times worse than revenant in the current state?
Funny how you say that pure offensive amulet rev would die so fast – he still survives 10 times easier and longer than any other class with those amulets.

Revenant is currently the D/D ele or a whiz-kid in a dmg-bruiser-role and second to none.

And considering revenant deals more dmg than any other dmg-bruiser atm, it would still be viable but simply not overpowered. And this is exactly what most of those players here are afraid of.

Astralporing.1957:

And that’s the problem – because the current meta doesn’t allow for balancing the classes separately. You need to consider the whole picture, or whatever you might try will only bring even more unbalance than already exists.

I never sepreated anything. I’m considering the overall picture and see that rev/scrapper and reaper is too strong. And since there are already thousand of threads about reaper , I started to make a thread about revenant. Not that hard to understand, I guess?

No it’s not selfish. Overpowered is overpowered.

Nope, it is like saying if you are going to punish me for stealing you better punish bigger thieves than I; since everyone has been complaining about them.

And this exactly the point where your logic is lacking

Themistokles.1238:

I have read all here. Its funny like hell. First of all to OP. You dont want that anyone complains about the fact that Rev is only one of the OP Classes. But on the other side, you complained about Rev being stronger then other classes in the DPS Role.

If nobody is allowed to compare rev to the other op classes why compare him to the lower classes.

Saying revenant which is too strong would be fine and shouldn’t get nerfed because other classes like scrapper and reaper are also too strong is just the most invalid argument I’ve read in the whole Gw2-forum. I don’t deny that those classes also need nerfs – I NEVER DID – but I opened a thread about revenant and not about revenant, scrapper and reaper.
Therefore we are talking about the revenant balance and I’m saying that revenant is too strong. Even the strongest dmg-bruiser we ever had in the game history and this should be changed.

The counter-argument most of you guys brought yet is the following:
scrapper is fine because revenant is op, revenant is fine because reaper is op and reaper is fine because scrapper is op.

People are just unable to read and think I would say everything is balanced except revenant – I don’t like it – pls nerf it.
Pathetic.

And then people wonder why I have to repeat myself thousand of times

Ravenmoon.5318:

Adapt or die, let anet balance their game as they see fit.

The only thing which is worse than anets balance atm is this sentence.

AivenPrimus.9184:

Anet should really close this topic,
Since OP does nothing but keep on repeating same pointless non-argumented statement.

Specifically asking for Revenant nerf is simply a selfish attitude, since every single Elite spec is way more powerful than base specs.

At least I do bring arguments. While the others are saying sth like.
" I agree revenant is op but pls don’t nerf it because reaper and scrapper is also op"

It’s like saying in your judgement pls don’t punish me for stealing because a lot of people are stealing and someone even stole more than me.

10/10

XxsdgxX.8109:

dominik.9721:

Question, does the rev need a nerf if warrior, thief and DH are not in the game? If we completely got rid of those 3 classes does rev need a nerf?

Yes if we would remove warrior, dh and thief , revenant would be still op.
Rev would still dominate the dmg-bruiser-role completly
Rev would still have laughable broken skills and traits
Rev would still hit too hard as a damage class
Rev would still be too versatile with an offensive amulet

#make other dmg-classes great again # vote rev nerf

After reading that last post…

Uh yeah just what I guessed, OP was and is still basically just crying for mindless nerfs. “Gawd Rev just killed me on my fav class, most be OP so plz nerf! There’s no way it was my fault cause I’m a top world player, so don’t ever tell me to git gud!” Just like 90% of the people who just come here to complain.

And not only that, but whenever someone mentions the option of nerfing EVERYTHING at the same time there’s still some people who keep basically hating on just Rev, same thing on threads for different classes.

Biased much

Where did I actually write that I got killed against revenant on my fav class?
I’m not complaining about losing 1v1s – I’m complaining that the revenant is too strong in the current state of pvp in general.
It’s a fact that the revenant dominates the complete dmg-bruiser-role and it’s a fact that the revenant is the only class with an offensive amulet which is so versatile like no other class. You also don’t have to be that experienced in pvp to see that sword 2 and staff 5 is entirely broken for example.

And congratulations for being just another one who didn’t read properly. I never said that I think that revenant is the only class which deserves a nerf currently. But I said 1000 of times that this thread is about revenant and not about whether the scrapper, the reaper or the paragon from gw1 also needs to get nerfed.

If something is mindless, it is your post.

Question, does the rev need a nerf if warrior, thief and DH are not in the game? If we completely got rid of those 3 classes does rev need a nerf?

Yes if we would remove warrior, dh and thief , revenant would be still op.
Rev would still dominate the dmg-bruiser-role completly
Rev would still have laughable broken skills and traits
Rev would still hit too hard as a damage class
Rev would still be too versatile with an offensive amulet

#make other dmg-classes great again # vote rev nerf

I guess apart from scrapper and maybe revenant not any other class has the proper tools to survive melee.

And yes I agree, I think it’s difficult to play dragonhunter on a high lvl successfully. When I have dragonhunters in my team they are with a chance of 99% more like a burden than a real help.

On the other hand, Frae and Mancow are super awesome on dragonhunter and are able to carry whole games on this class.

You actually just have to wait till revenant gets nerfed so that thiefs become viable again. If this happens, dragonhunter will shine.

I also like it when people say that sth. which is broken doesn’t deserve a nerf because there is sth. which is even more broken.

Non-sense-logic 100%

KrHome.1920:

dominik.9721:

I’m still allowed to demand nerfs for a class that is too strong. Doesn’t really matter if there are 2 other classes who are even “more too strong” in your opinion.
OP = too strong= nerf justified.

But if you think that a reaper or scrapper nerf is more urgent, create an own thread – I don’t know why I have to repeat myself 1000 times

Well if that is your logic, rev needs a buff because it is too weak against reapers and chronophansma shatters.

What?

I have to admit ,I have no idea what this statement has to do with my previous post or with my logic.

Reading the second part of your message makes me assuming you are a troll?

I’m still allowed to demand nerfs for a class that is too strong. Doesn’t really matter if there are 2 other classes who are even “more too strong” in your opinion.
OP = too strong= nerf justified.

But if you think that a reaper or scrapper nerf is more urgent, create an own thread – I don’t know why I have to repeat myself 1000 times

Fivedawgs.4267:

And I am not disputing what you are saying but I wont consider a dps nerf till scrapper/ reaper get tone down.

Yes and a reaper wouldn’t consider a nerf till the revenant gets toned down while the scrapper is waiting for the reaper nerf.

Nice logic, my firend! – This thread is still about revenant – Feel free to make a thread about reapers or scrappers and maybe we are that lucky that they get nerfed at the exact same time.

Fivedawgs.4267:

They can nerf whatever they want on revs but don’t touch their dps, a dps class is supposed to hit hard.

Not if it hits harder than any other dps class with skills that have only 4sec cd (sword 2) or that combine cc + evade + high damage all in one (staff 5).

@kdaddy
With reference to your example: you have 6 “horses” that are good at (pvp) horse-contests

BUT

there would be only one " horse" that is good at sprint (sprint = dmg-bruiser-role). Every other horse is much worse at this and according to you it’s fine that only one horse dominates the sprint. So everyone who wants to do sprint has to pick this one special horse. If he doesn’t like this horse and picks another horse he has to do jump-challange (1v1),beatuy contest (support) or w/e.
Not to mention that this special horse is also pretty good in other areas and not only in sprint. But in your opinion all this is fine because you have 6 different horses who are good at horse-contests.

Your “horse-example” is as strange as your whole logic is

Happens when I have to say things again and again because people are too lazy to read

kdaddy.5431:

Seriously there is 3 classes that are clearly OP which are rev, scrapper, druid.there is 1 class which is easy to play and in the right hands another OP class in necro. There is 1 class which is a need in ele as a support class.

How does rev need a nerf when its on par with 3 other classes? Seriously just answer the question, if mesmer and DH are slightly underpowered that makes them a slightly weaker option but a option. Warrior and thief atm are dirt but that doesnt mean revs need a nerf.

The OP of this thread keeps talking fact that rev is OP, ummmm against druid/scrapper/necro/ and depending mesmer it isnt. With basic logic if it has the ability to lose vs the 4 other top classes it cant be OP, it just means that the other classes too weak which is only 3.

I’ll say it a last time now. If you still aren’t able to comprehend this ,I don’t see much reason in discussing this any further with you.

You are basically saying that revenant who is entirely broken in his dmg-bruiser-role would be fine because other classes are viable in another role – for example an ele who is viable in his support role or a mesmer who is viable because of his 1v1 potential etc.
According to your logic revenant is fine because it’s on par with scrapper/reaper/druid and scrapper is fine because it’s on par with revenant/druid/reaper. So everything is fine and nothing should get nerfed.
It just doesn’t make sense to claim this when those classes aren’t in the same role.

But still you say this:

Seriously there is 3 classes that are clearly OP which are rev, scrapper, druid.

Exactly revenant is op. Op classes should get nerfed. This thread is about revenant. If you think that scrapper, druid or dragonhunter is op as well, go and make another thread for them.
SAID THIS 1000 TIMES NOW!

Vendetta.2496:

dominik.9721:

There is no discussion needed about whether revenant is balanced or not and I never asked for a discussion.

We get it. You’re mad that you got stomped and you’re lashing out like a 2 year old – “nerf ‘em because they’re making me look like a fool”.

Here’s a thought – record one of your matches and post it here for all of us to see. We’ll help point out areas where you can improve.

Neither I do need any advice against revs nor I get stomped by them.
Revenant is too strong atm as it is, though. Fact.

There is no discussion needed about whether revenant is balanced or not and I never asked for a discussion.

@Fivedwags:
Yes you think a DH nerf is more urgent than a Rev nerf. I think I already got this yesterday. These thoughts and those statements ….

but I’ll consider a DH nerf over a Rev nerf because unlike revs DH can hold points alone.

….are the reason why I just can not and will not take you serious in any balance-topic.

@kdaddy:
Yes and I will keep saying this, because it is weird. Saying rev is fine because it is worse than other classes in one or two certain things like healing is super weird.

As I said before according to this logic, Einstein or Stephen Hawking aren’t more intelligent than most of us because they know nothing about romance languages and literature.

Also you say to me I would claim that others classes would be fine and only revenant has to be nerfed. Where did I say that in this thread? Fact of the matter is that this thread is about revenant – as I said feel free to make a trhead about reapers, about condi mesmers or about search and rescue.

@Fivedawgs: Maybe it is you who should learn to read and to comprehend not me. I never denied that other classes are viable.But as I said thousand times before now : Only because 4 other classes are viable in different roles doesn’t mean that rev is fine and justifies that it is allowed to have broken skills and traits.

You guys basically say that the revenant who is entirely broken in his dmg role is BALANCED because an ele is viable in his heal role.

@kdaddy:
You still don’t understand that it doesn’t matter if you have 4 other classes in a different role being viable. It simply doesn’t justify that the revenant has broken skills, broken traits and being simply the best in this role.
In the dhuumfire-meta you also had other classes being viable – it was laughable op tho.
Your whole logic and argumentation is super weird.

kdaddy.5431:

snip

No when a class is completly dominating an entire role, pushing every other class out of this role while having many too strong skills and traits, it’s defintly not fine.
And the fact that 3 or 4 other classes also “play at elite lvl” at the moment doesn’t change this because those classes are in a different role.
You have a really strange logic

And a lot of people are agreeing with me, simply because it’s not hard to see how broken sword 2, staff 5 and plenty of traits are.
It’s just that exclusivly the rev fanbois are answering here and that people who understand sth about balance don’t put effort in this forum because they will argue with people who consider DH op.

First of all, I didn’t start with " ESL" I just answered the guy above, who was talking about duable revs in the finals.

Secondly, stop calling me delusional. You are the one who thinks that revenant is fine.

Thirdly, saying that my statement of dmg and survivablity would be wrong because of celestial engineer discredits you entirely, since you still haven’t understand about what we are actually talking about.

And last but not least, it’s very amusing to see that you compare the revenant with Dhuumfire-nec, since it was completly broken as well but still has nothing to do with the topic mobility + dmg + survivability all in one as a dmg bruiser – same goes for your other listed classes.

And it’s cool that a druid is better in healing and that a scrapper is doing better against a condition mesmer 1v1. A necromancer is also better at jumping down from clocktower because of higher hp. REVENANT is in a DMG-ROLE using an offensive amulet . Of course he is worse than a druid or a scrapper in your listed aspects.

Like i said at the start, you can not ask for nerfs to rev when 4 other classes might be just as OP.

I CAN ask for nerfs, even tho there might be 4 classes who are also op. Following your strange logic nothing would get nerfed because I can’t ask for rev nerfs since reaper and scrapper is op and I can’t ask for reaper or scrapper nerfs because revenant is op.
But funny how you yourself say that revenant is op.

10/10

keep trying.

The “double rev team” lost in the pro league finals against another “duable rev team”

Cool story though.

And yes rank 55 said they would have done the same.But that doesn’t change the fact that revenant still outperforms any other dmg-class/build.
They wouldn’t have traded a rev for any other dmg class/build, they would have traded it for a portal, duable moa and huge 1v1 potetnital – that’ s a completly different role.

Just call me a single dmg class that has so laughable good mobility + survivablity + dmg all in one. Revenant is actually the D/D ele in a dmg-role.

All you guys do, is basically defending a broken class by telling me that there are either classes who are better than the rev in ONE certain thing or telling me that some other classes would need nerfs more urgent.

Ye exactly what I said. People consider revenant fine and they state that dragonhunter should get nerfed before.
That’s probably the reason every team did play duable rev instead of having at least one dragonhunter.
However, there is no reason to discuss with people like you. Your whole experience seems to be based on low division soloq which is completly dominated by evil dragonhunters.

@kdaddy: Yes I’m indeed not getting the answers I expected. I didn’t thought there are so many delusional players who consider revenant fine and dragonhunter op.

In the whole game-history we hadn’t a single dmg-class that was able to deal this amount of damage while having incredible high survivability. There was no way that a shatter mesmer, a thief, a medi guard or a dps warrior could be used to do 1v1s and to contest points.
Revenant is basically able to do everything – doesn’t matter if +1, 3v3, 1v1 or what ever. Have fun to do this with any other marauder class / build. All in all the dmg, the survivability and the mobility outperforms any other class in his role. It’s a bit like the old D/D ele who made classes like bunkerguard completly redundant.

inb4 some guy will tell me now that rev loses 1v1 against condi mes, so rev has to be fine. also druid is better at healing.

Feel the same way, in the current meta revs need a support to be effective.

Ye in sapphire things might feel different. And no rev doesn’t counter my class.
I also never said I want them nerfed hard. I just want that they are balanced and not make any other dps build redundant and 10 times worse.

But ye as I mentioned above, in the environment of most people here in this thread – dragonhunter is probably the biggest threat for you.

That’s exactly what anet did the last patches. Powercreeping the game any further.

And I don’t think I have to make suggestions. We already have enough of them. We all know which skills and traits are entirely broken and I’m pretty sure so does anet. This thread actually was just a reminder but somehow it got flooded by emerald heroes who think that revenant is fine and dragonhunter completly overpowered because their backpaddeling pistol thief in cof-armor got oneshotted by walking into traps.

#Gw2 forum

Burn.5401:

It’s not so much that the rev is too strong, it’s that it completely dominates the bruiser role

Awesome contradiction. It exactly means that rev is too strong.

It simply makes dragonhunter + thief suboptimal and it makes shatter mesmer + dps warrior + any other dps build non viable.

But ye we have 5 different classes in the meta team comp, so everything is balanced and we have diversification, right?

If I’m not mistaken in the last finals 3 teams out of 4 played duable rev.
Not a single team played with duable reaper, only one team played with druid and the leader told me that they would have played duable revenant as well if they wouldn’t have had a druid main player.

“Revenant can’t be op because druid is better at healing, scrapper is better at rezzing and revenant loses 1v1 against the mesmer condition build " – nice logic you have there, mate.
Also Einstein wasn’t one of the most intelligent persons because there are people who know more than him about romance languages and literature.

I’m not asking to nerf revenants because I can’t beat them – I already beat revenant players you will probably never face in your entire game history – I’m asking for nerfs because all in all revenant is broken and needs balance-changes.

I do run menders yes. Simply because amuelts like Paladin aren’t viable. It’s much worse against reapers and mesmers, you have less heal for teamfights and you can’t push into 1v1s like you could do with celestial-amulet because you don’t win every 1v1 anyways.

Still druid vs revenant is not the topic and has no relevance for the overall picture.
Even if revenant would lose every 1v1 it would still be second to none and entirely broken as it is.

At least in EU, nearly every team has already replaced druid. And since I main it I can assure you that rev is heaviliy favoured in those 1v1s. I did plenty of test duells with pro league revs to try out different strats. Considering the rev is on a certain skill-lvl he will have about 70% winrate. But that’s not the topic here.

And as I said, 1v1s only shouldn’t be an indicator whether the class is fine or not. You have to consider the overall picture.

That’s cool that it can be “countered”. As I mentioned above, S/D thief also “counters” reaper. That doesn’t change the fact that revenant has one of the most broken mechanics and skills atm. Rev is as far away from being “fine” as Africa is from Northpole.

Are you guys actually still stucked in sapphire or did you make it to ruby yet, preparing to become AG-champion?