Guild Wars 2

You guys need to stop trying to force people into tpvp. There are reasons it has a miniscule population. Those reasons don’t magically go away just because you force people to play it. If you want more people to play tpvp, encourage anet to make it suck less kitten, and then people will actually want to play it. The legendaries should be attainable from every form of spvp.

Stealth has been broken in every MMO I’ve played. It’s completely idiotic to give unchecked invisibility in a setting where knowing where your opponent is is 90% of the battle. The rogue archetype is ALWAYS kittenedly overpowered because stealth itself is overpowered. It should have been abandoned long ago, but sadly, there are too many people who get off on facerolling invisible characters for devs to risk not including it.

If you are struggling to pve, you may want to look at other classes for pvp.

style.6173:

dreztina.4820:

Aberrant.6749:

Man the mag server is going to be out a lot of gold after they nerf perplexity lol

I was thinking about this at one point, so I checked out how much perplexity runes cost, hoping it’d be at least five gold each. It was a bit over one. That made me sad. When perplexity runes are nerfed and everyone wants to switch, no one is going to care about the lost gold.

Perplexity is easy to fight against. A lot of people don’t know how to handle confusion unfortunately.

All the trash mesmers running confusion builds pre nerf said the same thing. Devs have already said it’s getting nerfed, just have to wait for them to stop being lazy and do it.

Aberrant.6749:

Man the mag server is going to be out a lot of gold after they nerf perplexity lol

I was thinking about this at one point, so I checked out how much perplexity runes cost, hoping it’d be at least five gold each. It was a bit over one. That made me sad. When perplexity runes are nerfed and everyone wants to switch, no one is going to care about the lost gold.

FrownyClown.8402:

LightningBlaze.4913:

Zeke Azul Falcon.5176:

thanks for the duels in BG BL near the ruins, MAG and SOR.

Indeed it was a lot of fun! and badelementalist you sure do put a lot of pressure with your condition build and very nice active defense you have!. It was also great seeing that other ele from maguuma 1v1 very well with a staff.

Was really fun dude! I only won like 1/3 of the duels.

I didn’t do any better. I must admit, the duels I had with him were some of the most intense and enjoyable I have had in quite a while. Can’t do much trash talking this week.

Jayne.9251:

lazorexplosion.9602:

I held back on the being uncharitable enough to accuse you of posturing for fake kitten, but I see I shouldn’t have.

Lol come duel me stack up as much as you like. Doesn’t bother me.

I tend not to boast about my abilities because I’ve face planted plenty of times, but I can tell you from having friendly duels with countless players who have both those stacks, it really hasn’t presented any insurmountable advantages.

Duel more, you’ll learn to adapt.

This is the same stupid attitude that lets anet justify ascended gear. A 450 stat difference is big. If you beat someone who has a 450 stat advantage over you, it’s because they are a worse player than you. Great, good for you. You can overcome a disadvantage when fighting worse players.

Now, give an equally skilled player 450 extra stats. Still not a problem? There is no adapting to an objective disadvantage. There is no counterplay to having more stat points.

An advantage is an advantage. I would not consider this as bad as ascended gear for a handful of reasons, but to sit there and say it doesn’t matter because you can adapt to it is idiotic.

Aside from short breaks with other classes, I’ve been running d/d ele since I started playing. Small build changes here and there, but essentially the same. It’s just the only thing in this game that holds my interest. There are fun aspects to other classes, but coming from a MMO that actually had challenging mechanics, playing anything else turns into a snooze fest pretty fast.

This will only get fixed if Anet places the welfare of the game above the gemstore. Do you think it will be fixed?

Araris.7839:

Lol, Not stating that T1 only has great players, but the “regulars” in T1 tend to be better geared, and have better knowledge of their class and other classes, than the lower tiers.

This isn’t supported by any statistical data obviously, just a feeling I get from the few times we’ve gone up against lower tier servers. Example: At the moment we’re fighting Maguuma and the players I’ve come across are hilariously bad.

Edit: I’m not talking about large scale battles here. Small group and solo/duo encounters.

That’s even more amusing.

Jado Cast.1805:

I think its funny how Mag roamers have complained about plex runes, condi, tanky builds, zergs, ads to fights, etc. They have no clue what T-1 roamers have had to fight in a JQ/SoR/BG match-up for weeks on end. Just by the rage I see from the posts, I think if they ever “roamed” in a T-1 match-up, it would make them have an aneurysm.

Like it or not, it is the Meta, no sense in complaining about it, just adapt or go duel for the week until the match-up is over.

We’ve been fighting t1 servers since the league started, except we roam on hardmode since we don’t have all the benefits that come with being a blob server. There may be complaints on the forums, but mag is a server that thrives on challenge. That’s why we are in gold league, and it’s why we roam with glassy builds in t1 and still succeed. Something you t1 roamers apparently weren’t able to do.

Zelyhn.8069:

Is anyone really using alacrity traits?

Aeromancer’s alacrity is very nice for d/d.

Araris.7839:

Edit- PS: I play T1, so no, they’re not just terribad players lol

That’s amusing.

The state of the elementalist post patch is going to depend more on the nerfs to other classes rather than any buffs to ours. If they get hit hard enough, we may become viable again. If not, we’ll probably still be subpar. Personally, I have zero faith in anet’s internal testers, so anything they’ve said about how eles are looking on their test servers is pretty meaningless. Will just have to see how it shakes out.

I’m glad I’m not the only one frustrated by how much defense mesmers get even with heavy dps builds heh.

Gully.7358:

Like, I can talk kitten about dreztina.4820 all day and how I’ve gotten a bunch of bags from him but he’s atleast out there trying. So thanks for fighting, it’s something we don’t see a lot in tier 1. Normally people give up rather quickly…

I think you’re understating how many bags I’ve been dropping. Probably by a factor of three or four.

celeron.3469:

Player Character.9467:

Sorry, what gear set makes superior ballista, superior arrow cart, and cannon fire count as 0dps/0people?

The gearset that makes you not run to your buddies every time you start losing a fight. Also nice job taking a screenshot that will fit your argument, the time our zerg and the SoR zerg rolls past that tower.

That’s funny. As this was taking place, I was fighting an oPP s/d thief. There was an add, but he backed off pretty quickly after I kited a bit and I downed the thief. He got rezzed and then proceeded to do his best to run me down with multiples repeatedly. Luckily for me, this was one of those rare times where there were other Mags around me, and I got the stomp I was cheated out of before.

SmoothHussler.6387:

TheThiefMaster.3812:

Btw you had more than 8 against 3 oPP( 2 on toons they hardly ever play i might add) and some pugs but why am i expecting you of all people to be honest.

I thought I remembered reading about OPP and how they were a roaming group. Expected to find them something along the lines of AoN. What I did see however was a group of 10 with some pugs thrown in (cant really blame you for the pugs) building siege in north camp against 5 or so of us.

It is what it is, but please dont blow smoke about being outnumbered and such.

I don’t really consider oPP a roaming guild. There are some good players in it, but most of the guild just sits on the island with as many people as they can and adds on fights.

Well, now I know why you transferred to t1.

Israel.7056:

narcissus.6418:

Rationalizing your terms of winning can also be viewed as a defense mechanism to justify your own terms. Every player that steps into WVW has their own terms of “winning”. Some view sitting on a cannon and collecting bags while shooting players passing by as “winning”. Winning is simply a matter of perspective and very much subjective, if running a build that became famous on youtube and a fotm and is always being viewed to be nerfed in the next patch but will win most 1v1 encounters then by all means run it. Some like a challenge and thinking outside the box and trying to innovate new builds to counter the cheese. The question is do you like following everyone else or trying to make your own way in the world?

Every player may have their own terms of “winning” but the game itself knows only its own terms. I play the game on the game’s terms.

Moreover, if something isn’t broken why would I try to fix it?

As I said if my build doesn’t work I will endeavor to change it until it does but if a FOTM build is all I need to win then that’s what I’ll use until it’s no longer effective at which point I will discard it and look for something better.

If you’re going to win at all costs, then you might as well just run around in a zerg and win with numbers alone. Why even take the risk of losing when you have the ability to make sure it never happens?

LightningBlaze.4913:

oops that’s not you then sry! I’m in sor bl atm if you are on.

Still on? Switched some things, want to see if it makes a difference.

LightningBlaze.4913:

dreztina.4820:

LightningBlaze.4913:

Don’t worry poli. I believe you. I went against this Ele during the couple of minutes I was roaming yesterday (party up with you later that night) and defeated her so easily on 1v1. I’m sure a skillful engi like you does so too.

We never fought. O.o I was looking for you, but the only time I saw you alone you were running on the bridge, but when I attacked, there was nothing there.

I did fought you, wasn’t you a black colored human ele with d/d condition food?

Nope. I run red/blue with crit food, a rose and no tag.

LightningBlaze.4913:

Don’t worry poli. I believe you. I went against this Ele during the couple of minutes I was roaming yesterday (party up with you later that night) and defeated her so easily on 1v1. I’m sure a skillful engi like you does so too.

We never fought. O.o I was looking for you, but the only time I saw you alone you were running on the bridge, but when I attacked, there was nothing there.

Ya, not going to win as long as I keep trying to fight on top of your ult.

Poliswag.8240:

HI! Thanks for the bag!

Grats on the win. Think that’s 3-1 now.

Poliswag.8240:

Easy tiger, you’re making up more and more as this discussion goes on. We were fighting by the eagle raptors to the east of SW camp sentry, and you tucked your tail and popped all of your escapes to reset the fight. The mesmer came in after you had reset the fight, except I have only a single, 1-condi clear – and you have ether renewal. You cleansed my condis while my health ticked down to 1/2 and yours reset.

Blame the cannon that was on you when you and your buddies were camping outside of the tower and I downed two of your thieves, blame lag, fabricate circumstances, do whatever you have to do. Just as long as you feel better, champ.

Lol. Well, at least now I know not to bother looking for oPP. If getting owned and making up excuses is all you can do, there are better fights out there.

Poliswag.8240:

dreztina.4820:

Poliswag.8240:

dreztina.4820:

Poliswag.8240:

The one fight we had where you didn’t gank me with your iLL condi ele buddy, or the 7k mid-fight backstab I caught during the second, you turned around and bolted with 30% hp and reset.

Lol who are you? I’m not sure you’re thinking of the right ele.

You’re the tagless, black-clad human Ele running D/D with 30 arcana and Avatar of Melandru, yeah?

I’m the Engi you insist is a poor representation of oPP – only much you can do when outnumbered or ganked.

Wait what? How in the world did you convince yourself you got outnumbered? The early fights were 2v2s, and then I killed you 2-3 times completely solo, even when you had help from a mesmer. Like when you tried to 1v2 me and I left and you /laughed, then you followed me south a bit, and as soon as the second guy left I turned around and flawless ko’ed you. Did I have help there too?

Fuzzy memory you seem to have. That, or selective, anyhow. The “2v2” you speak of I jumped in on to help out a warrior you were gangbanging with the iLL ele, and he was downed as soon as I entered the fight – in case you weren’t aware, a 2v1 into a second 2v1 doesn’t constitute a 2v2.

The times you killed me “solo” were:
1 – Beat me by the drakes. That was your fight, fair and square – as I would expect, considering this is the first day I’ve been roaming with this build.
2 – I was backstabbed for 7k mid-fight by a Mag thief.
3 – By the eagle raptors, I unloaded on you and dodged your immob + earthquake, you ran away towards the rock at 30% hp using blink + RTL to break combat, reset, and then came back and beat me with my cooldowns having been burnt. Classy.

Lol. Sounds like a bunch of excuses for getting beaten until you wouldn’t take a step out of cannon range. Any running away I did from you was because you were hugging the kitten out of your tower and getting constant reinforcements and siege backup. Like that fight by the rock, the one where I ran away at 30%? You seem to be leaving out the mesmer add.

It was a high traffic area, there were adds on both sides, but at the end of the day, you got kitten on harder than a German porn star after Oktoberfest.

Poliswag.8240:

dreztina.4820:

Poliswag.8240:

The one fight we had where you didn’t gank me with your iLL condi ele buddy, or the 7k mid-fight backstab I caught during the second, you turned around and bolted with 30% hp and reset.

Lol who are you? I’m not sure you’re thinking of the right ele.

You’re the tagless, black-clad human Ele running D/D with 30 arcana and Avatar of Melandru, yeah?

I’m the Engi you insist is a poor representation of oPP – only much you can do when outnumbered or ganked.

Wait what? How in the world did you convince yourself you got outnumbered? The early fights were 2v2s, and then I killed you 2-3 times completely solo, even when you had help from a mesmer. Like when you tried to 1v2 me and I left and you /laughed, then you followed me south a bit, and as soon as the second guy left I turned around and flawless ko’ed you. Did I have help there too?

Poliswag.8240:

The one fight we had where you didn’t gank me with your iLL condi ele buddy, or the 7k mid-fight backstab I caught during the second, you turned around and bolted with 30% hp and reset.

Lol who are you? I’m not sure you’re thinking of the right ele.

Poliswag.8240:

dreztina.4820:

Impressions thus far are that this week should be pretty decent for roaming. I haven’t been blown away by the challenge, but at least there’s a reasonable number of small scale fights.

RIOT and oPP were the guilds I was looking forward to fighting, and there were mixed results. RIOT seems pretty decent; should get a few fights out of them. oPP, well, I’m going to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume the engi I fought today isn’t representative of the guild as a whole.

Perhaps the fights would be better if you didn’t run off to reset or gank with a condi ele + thief

wut?

Jorjeis.2169:

Israel.7056:

Player Character.9467:

Right, and bashing 1 while following a cool ranch dorrito is something made easier to do by being under the influence.

There’s really more to it than that but ok.

Pretty much this. All I hear is “we’re going to deride it because we’re not good enough to do it”.

Lot of pve’ers think what they do is complex and skillful, too.

Impressions thus far are that this week should be pretty decent for roaming. I haven’t been blown away by the challenge, but at least there’s a reasonable number of small scale fights.

RIOT and oPP were the guilds I was looking forward to fighting, and there were mixed results. RIOT seems pretty decent; should get a few fights out of them. oPP, well, I’m going to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume the engi I fought today isn’t representative of the guild as a whole.

The only person from Opp I’ve fought so far was a thief, but he was on SoR, so not sure what was up with that. Tribute guild maybe?

Kalla.4290:

Cuddlepie.8109:

Shunt.6254:

lol hammer trains old meta. It makes sense though, these T1 guys less skilled and deal with massive lag and queues all day. Might as well roll an 80 man hammer train and press 1111111111. They don’t know how to play other classes or use their other abilities in open field, mainly for the lag. Seriously though… they’ve got their PPT. So….

Could this be rmprodigy (mark 2)?

Don’t bother responding. The mantra of Maguuma is that no one on any of the T1 servers is any good and they are the bestest, it is like talking to extreme religious nutters.

I think it’s more just that we’re waiting for someone to demonstrate otherwise.

You guys just don’t understand what it means to be part of something bigger. They don’t get bored because they know what they are doing is helping their server win.

“Capt. Jack Aubrey: The second time… The second time he told me a story… about how someone offered him a boat cloak on a cold night. And he said no, he didn’t need it. That he was quite warm. His zeal for his king and country kept him warm. "
-Master and Commander

Liquid.9672:

Bashido.8694:

Ascii is banned, asked me to post – GL have fun! Welcome Maguma!

Say what? His posts have been on the straight and narrow for months! Weird.

Anyhoo, all the best in this week’s match everyone.

I don’t know if it’s related, but I recently got a pm saying the community team was conducting account audits and noticed I had more than 30 infractions (hehe) and strongly suggested I check out the tos.

I’ve heard blackgate has some decent roamers. I’m hoping that turns out to be true.

jojo.7490:

lol. come out of range and fight

Wow, that engi is still on the ballista with the necro out front. Same guys I was talking about in my post. They did get repeatedly crushed when they left their tower, so I at least understand them being too scared to fight in the open, but I’d think they’d get bored sitting in a tower waiting to add on solos with siege. But, hey, T1 tactics.

muscarine.5136:

Just to be the conscientious objector, i don’t think adding more choice results in more depth.

You’d just end up stretching the two extremes (tank/glass) more than they are, while the middle ground stays at it is.
All the tinkering you mention, while it provides entertainement, is no more than a temporary phase until a few players figure out the best way to achieve one extreme or the other with the most effective set up.
At this point it becomes stagnant again, and people start complaining about how there are so many options to chose between but so few that are really effective, again.

That’d also mean adding more headaches for the dev team when it comes to balance, which would result in slower and/or more incomplete updates.

To access such a depth when it comes to builds and stats, we don’t need more unbalanced stuff thrown into the soup, we need updates on a more regular basis pushing us to constantly tweak and adapt our favorite builds, as opposed to now where a broken spec/meta seems set in the stone due to how slowly those updates come.

I guarantee you that if you checked gear in a serious wvw guild, there wouldn’t be many, if any, people with identical stats. Maybe similar, but each person would have tailored their gear to fit their personal skill and playstyle. Compare that to spvp where the vast majority of the players across the world run the exact same amulet/gem combo for their class, and it’s silly. It’s boring and removes a very enjoyable part of pvp. Spvp pretty much might as well not have gear at all for how much variety it provides.

Nickthemoonwolf.1485:

dreztina.4820:

Fighting JQ necro and warrior 1v2, they run to the nearest tower where a third is waiting with a superior ballista, just to be safe. GG CNM, SF, and SOL. You guys are amply demonstrating why JQ has the lowest individual skill of any server I’ve fought.

I thought you said that was TC 3 weeks ago. Get yer story straight man

I hadn’t gone against JQ three weeks ago, had I? I’d think there are enough people kittenting on NOPE already that you wouldn’t be clamoring for another.

Fighting JQ necro and warrior 1v2, they run to the nearest tower where a third is waiting with a superior ballista, just to be safe. GG CNM, SF, and SOL. You guys are amply demonstrating why JQ has the lowest individual skill of any server I’ve fought.

The upside to this matchup is sooo many loot bags. The downside is the only guild from both servers worth a kitten is GF, and they don’t count since they’re a fresh transfer.

Dedelta.5018:

robocafaz.9017:

Dedelta.5018:

Blah blah blah blah blah blah.

You want anecdotes? I’ll start recording my roaming sessions and you can see how many zergs I get 1v1’d by.

I’m not saying that you guys don’t roam but when? But for a server that boasts of roamers I haven’t found many. I’ve actually been zerged/{ganked(5 people or more)} down by Mags during NA Prime Time than by JQ. Please don’t confuse Ganking with Roaming.

Here I will define them Ganking= looking for other roamers with bigger numbers than what roamers actually run usually.

Roaming= Looking for decent out-manned or even fights. a group of 5 is close to the term Gank squad because if your actually roaming you don’t usually have that many when running.

Please note I don’t condemn Ganking (except spawn camping) I just would like to find out what the real definition of roaming is. I tried to get OPP to see this but meh.

Pretty sure I’ve never seen anyone from TSF doing either, so I wouldn’t worry about it.

ParaldaWind.4523:

Brando.1374:

Comprissent.3856:

I feel so awful right now running perplex engi

But it’s completely necessary to fight “roam” groups of 5

On another note, why do JQ roamers deem it necessary to /laugh every time they swarm you with 15 people? Is that typical of T1?

JQ roamers feel like beating us 15v1 is an accomplishment. if it was 15v2 they would have lost. so they need something to feel good about themselves.

The other day my raid was cutting through butt lust and one of my guys said he can’t really solo roam anymore because of JQ 10 mans. I said that was ridiculous, but not before it left my mouth did we see a JQ 10 man group building siege atop Carver’s butt.

As I raid with 25-30 most of the time, I try my best not to gank roamers, but this time was an exception.

I spend most of my time in the ruins these days, and trust me, a 10 man isn’t even impressive compared to what I see. I’ve seen zergs of literally 20+ people just doing the ruins circle over and over, commander and all.

To address the topic of D/D defense, I absolutely do not want more defense against power builds (i.e. the flat damage reduction or extra toughness). That’s actually one of the biggest problems with the game currently and why the meta is what it is. There is too much defense against power damage. As a d/d ele, we already have high uptime protection, perma vigor, low cd weakness, and two defensive auras. That’s why ele was so incredibly strong in the power meta.

So no, please do not give more defense against power builds. What D/D actually needs is more varied condition clearing. Not necessarily more overall, but access to it in a wider set of builds. Right now, I can’t even think about running anything other than 30 arcane, 15 water, and ether renewal because, even with that much condi clear, I struggle like hell against the currently popular builds.

I realize that the new diamond skin is supposed to address this, but no one is going to run 30 earth except for the defensive builds that already have ample condi clear. It’s going to make bunkers happy, but as a damage oriented player, there is no way in hell I’m going to count on my health staying near full in a real fight. Also, the cleansing fire trait is not good enough to warrant the investment, especially because the trait doesn’t give anything offensive to go with it.

I’d like to see traits adjusted to add condi clear to the other heals. Like the glyph trait add remove 1-2 condis when a glyph is used. Same for the signet cd trait. Maybe change the cleansing fire trait to add remove 1 condi when hit with fire aura up (with a icd). There are reasonable ways it could be added to the weapon skills themselves, but that would be adding condi clear onto what we already have instead of opening more options and tradeoffs.

I know the devs are thinking about these lines with the new traits, but they’re just not good enough.

Fenrina.2954:

An odd thought. One of the major issues with d/d is defense since d/d has to get close compared to other weapons. There’s no quick way to counter this. Given that, would this be ok as an adept arcana trait?

Windborne Dagger
Increases movement speed by 25% while holding a Dagger. Does not stack with other passive movement speed effects.

While holding two daggers, reduce damage taken by 25%. Stacks with other defensive buffs.

This could be changed to something like endurance regen, but that would kind step on Vigorous Scepter’s toes.

Passive defense like that is bad and goes against what the ele is. Mindless godmode should be left to the warriors. Ele survivability should be based on skill and active play, not your build.

Speaking of which, if you’re still reading this Jon Peters, can you please, please, pleeeease say something about the current state of RTL? Are you happy with it going on full cd when blocked/evaded/invuln? Is the full cd acceptable? Are there any changes coming to make it less frustrating?

Caffynated.5713:

This trait is completely broken. It’s extremely worrying that the devs are even considering it and makes me fear for the future of this game that they think it might need to be 85% or even master tier.

This is coming from an ele with over 3k hours played almost all in WvW and sPvP. I’ve played a build centered around staying above 90% health for vital striking and scholar runes for much of that time, and it’s not some impossible task that people make it out to be.

The ability to automatically win every 1v1 against condi classes isn’t overpowered; it’s broken. ANet, please take note of the people who think this is underpowered and then never listen to anything they have to say. Ever. That includes Jon Peters.

If you are able to stay above 90% health on a regular basis in your fights, you aren’t fighting very challenging opponents.

The fire/earth pbaoes have several uses actually, even without counting the blast finisher on earth. Popping blocks, stopping downed healing, and for fire, setting up a fire grab in a way most people don’t see coming.

I think most of us who consider ourselves serious roamers couldn’t care less about all the things posted in this thread. A roamer is out there to kill people. If you’re running around doing all the camp flips, sentries, dolyaks, etc., you’re a ppt’er who happens to be solo.

Necro can hit you with a full set of condis on one weapon set, a full set of condis on their swap set, and then a full set of condis with signet of spite. Oh, and if they’re running corrupt boon, they can do it a fourth time.

There’s nothing that you can do about it. You don’t have enough dodges to avoid everything, and even if you did, it wouldn’t matter because any not dumb necro dumps their load when you are feared. Condi necros are insanely broken, and you will never beat one that isn’t terrible.

ThiBash.5634:

What you forgot to mention is that Evasive Arcane is fun. It turns your passive staff into an active, quick reflexes weapon with a lot of extra (combo) options because of the extra blast finisher, heal and blind.

To me, it’s mandatory simply because I like the playstyle that comes with it. I don’t mind if it was inherent, but it may be better to keep it the way it is, because it represents a playstyle choice as much as a signet or conjure build would be.

This is really true. I was screwing around yesterday and was running a 100% burst build which didn’t have elemental attunement or evasive arcana, and it was horrible. It didn’t even feel like I was playing an elementalist. So much of the play/counterplay that makes the class what it is was gone. It was as boring as playing a warrior.