Guild Wars 2

Tyaen.5148:

oZii.2864:

Incoming anecdotal evidence and confirmation bias.

dreztina.4820:

Basically boils down to more individual skill at lower tiers, more group skill at higher tiers.

Heh.

As someone else pointed out, what else would you expect for this subject?

ThiBash.5634:

LordByron.8369:

P.S. 600 range with water 1 i m gonna kill so many rabbits with it.
If you PLAY D/D you are melee mostly because you need to use all you have, thus the shortest skill is your actual range.

Yeah, you’re right, but I didn’t mean it like that. More like: if you fight a warrior, his range is 150, while yours is 300…with the right movement he can’t hit you while you can hit him. As for Vapor Blade…you can use it while trying to catch up a ranged if your leaps are on cooldown. Sure it’s not perfect, but why just run when you can run and damage? And when you catch up, you can switch to your more damaging attacks again.

Like you said, you need to use all you have…so if you have extra range, why not use it?

That doesn’t actually work out in the real world where any warrior who is trying to melee you is going to be immune to all soft cc. Unless you don’t use any frontal arc abilities, you will be backing up while he is walking forward, giving him the speed advantage, negating the range advantage. And if you don’t use any frontal arc abilities, good luck getting through the regen. Hell, good luck getting through the regen no matter what you do heh.

Basically boils down to more individual skill at lower tiers, more group skill at higher tiers.

Roleplayers lol.

Thou hast tarnished thine guild’s honor sir! I doth demand thou departure from mine matchup thread!

What would be the point? The pvp devs aren’t doing anything, what would they talk about?

I’m not sure I have ever seen a premade trying to farm glory in a hotjoin. What would the point even be? You don’t need a team to farm hotjoins.

On one hand I’m sad to see most of the best players on DR leave, on the other hand, I’m thinking ‘nice, I have ’em all to myself now’.

Easily recognizable archetypes are always the most played in mmos completely regardless of current balance. The vast majority of players are casual pve’ers who really couldn’t care less about whether or not what they are playing is strong as long as they can feel immersed in the character.

D/D is absolutely terrible for 1v1 right now. If you’re good enough, you can kind of make it work against other mediocre builds, but it is in no way competitive with the currently popular builds. If you want to 1v1, go S/D and do OK, or even better, play a different class.

The devs probably care, they’re just insanely incompetent. It blows my mind how anet is able to focus on both the casuals and the hardcore in the wrong way at the same time. On one hand, they are largely ignoring spvp in favor of pve and other casual play. On the other hand, they are completely neglecting the horrible state of balance so the handful of people playing at PAX don’t have to change their builds.

It’s like they aren’t ignoring anyone, they’re just doing everything wrong that can possibly be done wrong.

Why didn’t they make it possible to turn off node capping in custom arenas, and is there any plan to make it possible in the future?

Avatar of Belle.9623:

EndPoint.1024:

This forum is quite entertaining

Quoted for truth. I love how this thread is out forum warrioring both the T1 thread and the Mag/DB thread (well known for their forum trolls).

I’m one of the original and best Maguuman forum trolls, so it makes sense.

While I fully agree eles, D/D eles in particular, are desperately in need of some buffs, I think some of you are underestimating the power of churning earth. If you expect to land it, you’ll be disappointed, but there are a lot of other ways to use it to your advantage.

1 – Zoning. Cast churning earth and there’s a good chance no one is going to walk towards you.

2 – Mind game your opponent. If you start to cast churning earth against someone who can’t stop it, they’re going to either dodge or blow a cooldown. You don’t even have to flash since they will do it preemptively.

3 – AI. Minions, spirits, elementals, mobs, etc. don’t dodge. It is your strongest ability for clearing ai.

4 – Engi elite. Everyone knows how nasty it is to try to fight an engineer standing inside the turrets from supply crate. Back off a bit, start casting churning earth, and instead of trying to hit the engi, flash right onto the turrets and you will pretty much instantly kill them, and probably get a dodge out of the engineer too since he thinks you’re aiming for him.

5 – Hitting the person you aren’t fighting. It’s not uncommon in a 1vx to be focusing one person while another stands back and attacks from range. If you start casting churning earth, the person you have been focusing on will try to avoid it, but the other generally won’t. Flash on top of them and it will do enough damage to either open an opportunity to kill them, or put them on the defensive and let you finish off the first opponent.

These are just some of the ways to make churning earth useful even when fighting an opponent who knows how to avoid it. Obviously it’s all situational and there will be some fights where it’s a bad idea to use it at all, but other times it will win you a fight without ever even hitting your opponent.

Xom.9264:

dreztina.4820:

As for DAoC, nope, didn’t 8v8. Think it’s pretty clear what my playstyle leans towards.

Yeah your playstyle leans towards the kind that calls everyone a noob you beat, and calls everyone that beats you a fotm/lucky/OP noob. The only good thing that came out of inviting you that night for duels was you brought some good Bags players and for that we thank you.

Well, it’s lucky for me then that I don’t have to do the latter very often.

Lol. Been playing this game for a lot more than two weeks. That doesn’t do justice to my history.

Not sure where you got the trolling people who won bit though. Maybe you just have a mistaken impression about how often people beat me. So far, for BS, people I haven’t been able to beat are you, a zerker warrior with a rifle, and a tanky engi I stalemated. And that’s it. Edit: I actually stalemated a guard last night too, forgot about that.

BS is filled with mediocre at best players getting carried by overpowered fotm builds and runes. And by carried, I mean people who would die in a few seconds actually pose a challenge, but generally still lose. There are a handful of good players in the guild, but most of you are no more of a challenge than the random easy kills I like to pick off as I roam around wvw.

As for DAoC, nope, didn’t 8v8. Think it’s pretty clear what my playstyle leans towards.

Epsilon Atreides.3816:

Let’s all just chill out and enjoy some competition, in whatever form you consider that to be.

What if the form I consider it to be is forum wars?

Bones.5762:

first off i was at 25%, had heal up, knocked u to the ledge, n u dodged off it afterwards, while i shot u from above, and then u came back i prybared, u armored walked off, so i walked off saying gg, not gonna do this again if he just breaks combat and comes back. also u prolly thot i was condi build since i prybar but no, im not lol.

You have a truly amazing imagination lol. Somehow you have convinced yourself that I ended that fight, when it was actually you who ran away from me, and me not feeling like chasing and leaving.

Edit: I tell you what, if you think I got scared and ran away from you, I’d be perfectly happy to fight again. How about you?

Bones.5762:

o yeah bro? tell me more about stabilities that every other class has besides engineer. we have only 1 decent stability that last 3, on a 60s cd, with a 50% chance (also fyi, that stability isnt a stun breaker), don’t even get started on thumper stability….. besides when fights not going you’re way u just rtl out of there anyways.

funny how u complain about the classes that counter u, but don’t give props to players who beat u in a build that usually doesnt beat ur d/d build. Lighten up, its a game, don’t be such a try hard and cry about every loss and give me every little detail why you lost and if this happened u wouldve won.

Wow lol. I run away? Remember you being at 5% health, knocking me off a ledge, and high tailing it?

And who exactly has beaten me?

Armor of earth is on a 90 second cooldown, lasts 7 3/4 seconds, and is my only source of stability lol.

Bones.5762:

on a side note, y so mad? got killed while glitched in wall by a thief and engineer?

Lol, you actually think that was on purpose? Your pull put me in the wall as I jumped off. I had to use my flash to get out, which is why a couple bads like you were able to get the kill.

PurpleHaze.4157:

u seem to like to cry

Just adding some clarity to the situation. Although, from what I’ve seen, you guys may want to consider changing to Backside [BS], as that’s what I mostly see from you.

Bones.5762:

Moji.3042:

Dear whoever it was from [Basic], please don’t run away after you realize you haven’t 1-shot me. It’s very boring, especially when you can do this http://imgur.com/XiyR2Sv before I can even see you. Thanks buddy.

theres only 2 reasons y he wouldve ran.

1, he was about to get zerged
or
2, he realized u weren’t worth the effort being that he did a 10k backstab.

so i guess consider it lucky he saved u 3s? i personally wouldnt but yeah.

I’ve only seen one thief from Basic, and if it’s the same one I’m thinking of, the most likely answer is that, upon seeing his target didn’t die instantly, he immediately sprinted off to find some guildies for backup.

Moji.3042:

Dear whoever it was from [Basic], please don’t run away after you realize you haven’t 1-shot me. It’s very boring, especially when you can do this http://imgur.com/XiyR2Sv before I can even see you. Thanks buddy.

What are you playing that takes 10k backstabs but doesn’t die in 18.5k damage? O.o

Crucify.1649:

uh i am nit gud wit thes stuf but bye forever t6 t7 t8 t9 t10 t11 meow

That is unfortunate.

dreztina.4820:

Can you Mortal Wound trash please go away? Trying to find better players than you.

Posted this this morning when MoW was spawn camping me with 3-4, trying to 1v1, losing, and running to their guildies for help. Then I play again in the evening (I was one of the pugs fighting with AD), and once again MoW is spawn camping with a big numbers advantage. Seems to just be their thing.

I think IoJ may be my new least favorite server. There literally isn’t even one single good player on the entire server. I don’t know how it happened, but wow.

The last time I saw a good player on IoJ was like 6-7 months ago when I was on Maguuma and we got matched up. But it was just a couple people who were in the process of transferring because they hated the server.

I don’t think GvG involves any roaming. From what I’ve seen, it’s just two blobs smashing together behind windmill.

Actually that’d be really cool. I’d definitely play on a zerker amulet only server. I wouldn’t want any class banned in it. Fighting glass thieves is fun. They mess up, they die. You mess up, you die.

Oozo.7856:

Aeneasx.1589:

This game has just become an incredibly frustrating and unrewarding piece of crap, or has it always been like that and I’ve just been blinded by faith.

This game would actually be pretty solid if the developers understood two things.

1. Risk versus reward
2. Min-maxing

Now, you would think that developers of an MMO would understand these things but they have clearly demonstrated that they do not understand these things.

Latest example – runes of perplexity. How is this even a thing? Do they test? Do they even think?

Whoever came up with the runes of perplexity should be fired on the spot. But will they? Will they even be chided and told to think it through more in the future? Nope. They’ll get patted on the back and told they’re doing a great job.

Can you Mortal Wound trash please go away? Trying to find better players than you.

FrownyClown.8402:

i used reaper of grenth before, but someone suggested that the other elite is better (although I never use my elite because I feel like I am cheating).

I don’t usually use my elite 1v1 either, but there are times where it’s appropriate.

The human elites actually have some solid uses for an elementalist. Reaper of Grenth is great for jumping into large groups and slowing them down and preventing healing. Also very useful for fighting ultra regen classes like ranger/warrior. We have no other source of poison so it can make a real difference.

My current go to for solo roaming is Avatar of Melandru. It seems useless at first glance, but it’s actually a true instant cast 20 second stability. In other words, a near guaranteed stomp. I use it instead of armor of earth so I can use my more useful stability for the actual fight. The skills on it are also occasionally useful.

Ele is the only class in this game I truly enjoy playing. It has the most interesting mechanics, as well as some of the most challenging as this game is fairly simplified in that area.

If you enjoy it, yes it is worth it. If you are just looking for something strong to play, no, pick something else.

Different game, same elo hell theories. With as few people doing tpvp as there are, it’ll take longer to sort out, but the fact is, there is no elo hell. Not in League, not here. Eventually, sometimes over the course of hundreds of games, your personal contributions will place you at the ranking you belong.

If you don’t like that, I don’t blame you. It’s why I eventually stopped playing League, solo roam in wvw, and only hotjoin in spvp. kitten teams. But if you are someone who enjoys that dynamic, all you can do is keep playing, and eventually you’ll end up where you belong.

I can’t believe how little action there is for a reset night.

Natronix.9827:

This sounds familiar.

Have a fun week all, lets try and keep the thread clean.

Why? What fun are threads where everything is buddy buddy?

It may be that siege weapons aren’t the problem, but rather you have simply gotten sick of the less competitive nature of objective fights and are just wanting more skill based combat.

I get the feeling this is just a post whining about the supposed competitive advantage some teams are gaining by having a member on the PTR rather than any actual question.

The good news for you is anet is perfectly happy to let 99% of the spvp community suffer for months with the worst balance the game has ever seen for the sake of the miniscule competitive community, so it’s not like you have to worry about knowing balance changes as they happen.

Achilles.2197:

dreztina.4820:

Glass power everything.

Sounds like it could be fun in theory. But everyone would just be 1-shotting everything. It would get old quick lol

Not really. Every class has dodges, invulnerabilities, blocks, etc. that allows them to avoid a very large number of attacks if used properly. If everyone were glass power, how long a fight lasted would be determined by how good the players were, rather than by their build.

Glass power everything.

Fishbones.6914:

lol you guys have no idea.. i will try to get some nice footage when i get home… i have destroyed every power ele i have come across along with all the other condi spam builds. perma burning and confusion .. the 2 best condis in game with huge uptimes… it is ridiculous … and the build is just 0-0-20-20-30 with apothecary

Having fought Deez with this build, trust me when I say it’s everything he claims. It’s really, really not fun to fight.

ensoriki.5789:

dreztina.4820:

He probably means stats, which I whole-heartedly agree with. The game plays a lot better with pve gear than pvp gear.

More like all the issues are multiplied with pve stats.

Actually no, not really. I don’t know how you spvp only people can go from saying ‘spvp is so unbalanced right now; worst meta ever’ to ‘pve stats are bad because they aren’t balanced’. Balance in wvw is no worse than in spvp. Which is to say it’s kitten in both, but ya.

He probably means stats, which I whole-heartedly agree with. The game plays a lot better with pve gear than pvp gear.

Yay, I get to be disappointed by anet again tomorrow. Anet wanted the middle area to be a contested pve event. A while ago they talked about adding epic pve events to wvw. You know what they’re going to replace the krait with? A kittening dragon.

Xom.9264:

dreztina.4820:

I don’t want to adjust to the meta. I don’t enjoy the builds that are strong in it. Complaining is what gets things changed, and while my personal complaints won’t do much, if enough people complain, things may shift back, or at least balance out a bit.

I run a zerker geared power necro build in solo queue, with utility and trait choice to counter the classes and their builds in this meta. Took alot of thought and understanding along with plenty of testing to come up with it.

Wars are ripping apart the condition meta because a top player gave away his counter meta build. The majority of players in a MMO even many of the best fast reflex players just use other peoples builds, I do the same for ideas and starting points. Right now your using a build from months ago, if someone posted a build to own this meta on your class you would use it and love it.

Real talk

I think you are greatly underestimating my stubbornness. I started playing D/D when it was considered a weak novelty build, and I went fairly heavily glassy. Eventually people started to catch on to how strong it was, and the triple cantrip PTV build became hugely fotm. Meanwhile, I got glassier. Then, months and months later, the nerfs started to come. The glass d/d ele’s disappeared. Even the bunkers started to become a rare sight. I stayed glass. Then the condition meta came about. I’m still a glassy d/d.

I play what I enjoy, not what is the strongest. I try to encourage anet to make those two the same, but when they aren’t, I continue.

Also, I sincerely doubt anyone is going to post a D/D build that I don’t know about already (unless it involves conditions, kitten conditions), because, like you apparently do, I spend a ridiculous amount of time finding and fine tuning the builds I run on my various characters.

WonderfulCT.6278:

There is so much sorrow in this post I’m moved to tears. A bunker complaining about other bunkers because he isn’t one of those bunkers and feels he’s “keeping it real”.

What are you asking A-Net to correct? The lack of easily beatable builds, or just to re-shift the game towards power? Are you emplying that bunkers do a lot of damage (they don’t)?

I don’t even lose to condition builds (much) and there are definately still people who run glass cannon builds, power, or at least a hybrid. I rarely even come across full bunkers except that guy in that FC guild I won’t name.

Run with a group of people (probably want at least one guard) and you should be able to take very limited CD.

You have so many choices, stop acting like the game took them all away.

I am not and have never been a bunker. My elementalist’s first set of armor was 6/6 berserker.

Xom.9264:

Ahh a DAoC player, I was also.

Adjust to the meta. Countering the condition meta is much easier then the burst die in two seconds meta at the start of the game, but even that had counters.

Im casual with pvp, but rated at 150 in solo queue its higher then someone of my average skill level should be. Got their because of running a counter meta build, zero condition damage.

Build smart and play smart that makes up for reflex and skill gaps an old DAoC gamer like myself faces vs all the youngins….. My advice use your brain as an older gamer, adjust.

What did you expect? Low tiers have some seriously good gamers many better then alot of the top people Im facing on the leader boards in pvp and you did call out the whole ET server with that yet to lose a 1v1 post.

I don’t want to adjust to the meta. I don’t enjoy the builds that are strong in it. Complaining is what gets things changed, and while my personal complaints won’t do much, if enough people complain, things may shift back, or at least balance out a bit.

As far as calling ET out, ya, I call out one or both servers every week and have been for a very long time. Hell, when I was on Maguuma I called all the top DR guilds trash too. It adds a storyline to wvw and gets people wanting to tell their groups to stand back and let them fight alone.

I get so tired of Allie’s posts. All she ever says is ’that’s not our fault’ or ‘we can’t control that’ or the ever cute ‘oh different people are saying different things so I guess we just can’t do anything!’ I see a red response to a post, and it gets my hope up, and then all I see are excuses.

Avead.5760:

dreztina.4820:

I don’t know why, but engis seem easier to kill than other condi classes. My fights with them generally end up with them either being too bunkery for anything to happen so it stalemates, or I win. I haven’t fought any with perplexity runes yet though, and I hope I don’t.

Those runes are beyond broken…Bam thy interrupt acouple and you got 15 stacks of conf and shield and ft ccs are undodgeable.. but at least they arent available in pvp.
But its true compared to sp rangers and necros i find dealing with engis easier cause they lack protection while rangers got it perma and necros have armor and the wall to get it. If they run with no stunbreak and you are a burst ele you just got to blink updraft into fire burst and arcanes and its over.
Unfortunately many run with slick shoes now and some with the prot when cced trait !
If you engage in an attrition fight with them you ll just lose
I played one myself so i get to learn how to counter them better and its not hard at all to deal with eles.You just got to avoid the obvious burst in fire and watch out for the eearthquake-air one and the burning ,confusion and bleeding will do the job for you.
They got all the tools to do that with many blinds,blocks,great healing with water fields and even a self rezz if they run with it (ele got no poison).If they dont its in their end imo

Ya I think you’re right that it’s the lack of protection and stunbreaks that makes them easier. But as you said, a well played engi can get around it. I think there just aren’t many people playing engineer in wvw, especially solo roaming, so I haven’t run into any top tier ones lately. Not sure why, I think they have the mobility for it, and they’re certainly strong enough.

I don’t know why, but engis seem easier to kill than other condi classes. My fights with them generally end up with them either being too bunkery for anything to happen so it stalemates, or I win. I haven’t fought any with perplexity runes yet though, and I hope I don’t.

matty.4907:

The fun days of glassy builds are over. WvW was so much more fun when people ran glassy, you either wiped the kitten out of a group or you got wiped hard. Bunker condi meta is effectively slowing down combat, the devs thought it was too bursty and that’s exactly what they were trying to do. I liked it bursty but that’s just my opinion. To each his own.

I fully agree. So many people complained about the pace of the game and TTK, but coming from a looong history of DAoC, I loved it. Skill determined how long fights lasted. Two good players with classes capable of killing each other in a few seconds could fight for minutes. In the power meta in GW2, it was pretty close to that as well. When both players were able to avoid the damage of the other, fights lasted a long time, but a single slipup and the fight could be over instantly.

Now, fights just come down to build most of the time. If you are running a condi, especially condi bunker, it’s a near guaranteed win vs. anyone who isn’t. If it’s two condi bunkers fighting each other, the winner is determined by rock paper scissors balance.

In addition to just slowing everything down, it has taken so much importance away from dodging and knowing your opponent. Condition builds apply conditions constantly. You can dodge every important ability and still have a full bar of conditions the entire fight. And condi bunkers just have so much healing/mitigation that they don’t bother dodging. I can’t even tell you how many times I’ve landed every ability on my bar on a condi bunker just to have them ignore the damage completely and be back to full a few seconds later while putting out consistent damage the entire time.

It’s a sad state of affairs, and I really hope Anet takes steps to correct it.

Gotta love it. I have mods stalking my posts. Everyone else can post here all they want, but if I make any complaint about the ele, it gets deleted and I get an infraction.