Guild Wars 2

Brando.1374:

dreztina.4820:

Brando.1374:

yes any necro can deal 1.5k dmg to an ele, but every 9 or so seconds they can go back into water and heal back up and by that time we might as well give up since it will be a loosing battle.

Hi, welcome to how elementalists have felt when fighting necros for months and months now. Maybe if those of you crusading against DS had put some effort into getting condis nerfed down to more reasonable levels, anet wouldn’t have resorted to a hard counter.

I just dont understand how an ele can complain about conditions.
over the last month I have fought some pretty good ele’s and had duels last several min and a few even beat me so im not sure what this complain is about since other players have been able to give a tanky condi necro a run for my money why cant you?

Oh, well then. Some elementalists have beaten you in a duel. Obviously elementalists are perfectly balanced and not at all at a disadvantage vs. necros. Thanks for clearing that up.

Brando.1374:

yes any necro can deal 1.5k dmg to an ele, but every 9 or so seconds they can go back into water and heal back up and by that time we might as well give up since it will be a loosing battle.

Hi, welcome to how elementalists have felt when fighting necros for months and months now. Maybe if those of you crusading against DS had put some effort into getting condis nerfed down to more reasonable levels, anet wouldn’t have resorted to a hard counter.

Columbo.5924:

There was already a lot of talk going on in the sPvP forums about the burst capabilities of an ele. The general consensus is that this burst is very cheesy (speak: not a good gameplay mechanic).

I really agree with that. I don’t want to call S/D eles overpowered because it’s not that they are stomping all over everything, but their mechanics really are stupid. The entire pvp system in this game is based around tells and reactions, and S/D has neither. There is no counter play to S/D damage. You do your best to read your opponent and guess what they’re going to do, but still the damage is all instant and avoiding it is more luck than anything else. I’m torn between wanting S/D wanting to get a severe overhaul, and not wanting to give Anet the chance to kitten up one of the few things eles have going for them.

Stealth is one of the most broken things in this game, and that’s saying a lot considering how incredibly kittened up this game is. Revealed needs to be 10-15 seconds. Stealth should be a short duration, limited use tactical decision. Right now, there is absolutely no reason not to stealth every time revealed is down. Obviously thieves would need to be buffed in other ways to make up for the loss of survivability.

Sadly, there is a large portion of the gaming population that gets off on abusing stealth mechanics, and so anet would never risk losing their business.

Thought this was supposed to be done by now. Absolutely ridiculous how much of a cluster kitten pvp in this game is when the entire screen is just one big gfx blob which obscures everything inside it. Not sure what happened to taking care of this, but if you guys ever want this game to be remotely competitive or watchable, you may want to get back on it.

This is pretty funny considering the number of tools mesmers have to avoid burst.

Asudementio.8526:

It is so funny to see people trash NOPE as if they have any idea who we are and how we play. Keep it up chaps it entertains a lot of us.

There’s probably a good reason no one has any idea who you are and how you play.

Aberrant.6749:

Only mag doesn’t roam nearly as much as they used to pre-leagues.

Loot bag addiction is a terrible affliction.

This whining about hard counters is hilarious. Condi classes have been hard countering the rest of the game for what, more than half a year? Were you guys rallying against that, too? Or were you too busy leveling up your necros/engis/mesmers?

This game has always had hard counters. It’s just the way the game is designed. Don’t whine now that you’re the one being countered.

You League of Extraordinary <Class> guys should probably rename your guilds to League of Rather Ordinary <Class>.

Really though, it amuses me that the people who abused the kitten out of condis when they were a guaranteed win vs. eles are now complaining that the situation is reversed. OP is a perplexity engi btw.

I have cried so many tears for the condi necs, perplexity engis, and condi mesmers that I have killed since the patch. So very many tears.

What’s the next matchup? Are we going back to scrub tier?

I actually think DS is one of the better traits in the game, both in terms of strength and design. It isn’t massively overpowered, but strong and viably diverse. Running it requires you to sacrifice one of your heals, which is a big decision because, while DS still has its uses vs. power builds, having EA would help a hell of a lot more. It’s not a no-brainer, best for every situation trait.

Being a passive makes it seem like a poor design, but it’s actually a lot more active than it immediately seems, which is, I suspect, the reason so many eles are under the impression that it is a weak trait. If you just go out and play like you would without it, DS will do virtually nothing. You have to figure it in when making combat decisions. For instance, you are fighting a necro and have him on the defensive, but he just dropped you below 90% and has his cds up. You have to weigh maintaining pressure vs. the risk that you are now vulnerable to his bomb.

There’s also the fact that earth is a fantastic trait line, both for offensive and defensive builds, so the rest of the points you spend are well worth it as well.

Overall, DS builds aren’t the single best that everyone should run, but they are very viable, and let’s face it, you’ll never get tired of kittenting on condi necros without ever dropping below 95% hp.

I haven’t had trouble with condi classes 1v1 with my diamond skin build. You just have to remember that you need to heal at 90% instead of whenever you would vs. a power class. It also helps to switch up your rotations to keep your health up. Like instead of going air-fire at the start, swap to earth to get your protection up right away. Also, If it’s minions giving you trouble, remember that they are pretty easy to kill, and depending on the situation, sometimes it’s better to just focus them instead of the necro.

Truearrow.3527:

How ’bout that Stonemist fight boys??!! YEEEHAAAW!! I have smoke rolling off of my salvage-o-matic

I was enjoying it until the server lag got insane. Wasn’t even worth trying to play a d/d ele in that.

What server is Serane on? I should try to find him if Mag is ever matched up against it again.

Josh Davis.6015:

Funniest thing I’ve ever heard in PvP?

Hard to say. Map chat in Anvil Rock’s Heart of the Mists at launch was like the wild west. I’m sure we could fill a few pages of quotes.

Careful; if you posted a few pages of competitive banter, this forum would probably get deleted too.

Immobilize stacking is stupid and bad for the game. Therefore, the devs are not going to change it.

Winkin.1490:

dreztina.4820:

I know there aren’t any roamers on FA, but didn’t a roaming guild transfer to TC a while back? Was that Oozo’s guild?

You’re probably thinking of Good Fights. Pretty sure AD is on EBay still.

Ah, I really should have remembered that. I blame it on GF never posting in matchup threads.

I know there aren’t any roamers on FA, but didn’t a roaming guild transfer to TC a while back? Was that Oozo’s guild?

BirdSong.2541:

dreztina.4820:

Funny thing is, if anet ever actually manages to make spvp not suck enough that it becomes popular, they’re going to have to delete all the spvp forums because the same thing will happen there.

No. Because you can just shout abuse at the other team ingame. It removes the need for an all out forum war.

I don’t know about that. There’s been some pretty sweet drama over there already even with the pathetic size and state of spvp.

Funny thing is, if anet ever actually manages to make spvp not suck enough that it becomes popular, they’re going to have to delete all the spvp forums because the same thing will happen there.

LightningBlaze.4913:

I really wish builds like this with the focus become popular so I can finally encounter at least one decent Ele with the focus off hand in WvW. I have hear there are a few out in lower tier servers but so far 0 from tier 1.

Deeez is the only good focus ele I’ve fought, and that’s from playing every server from kitten t8.

The scrubs are finally beginning to understand why the only enjoyable thing to do in this matchup is zerg bust.

I used to have trouble with mesmers but I’ve been absolutely kittenting on them after the patch. I haven’t fought any really good ones yet, but all of the mediocre at best condi mesmers are just free kills now. Diamond skin gives you such a massive advantage against them since they lack almost any power damage. If you want to give it a try, my build is in my post history, and it looks like our gear is fairly similar already.

This matchup is utterly pathetic. Action is almost nonexistent, and when you do run into people, these servers need 2:1 odds to even put up a fight. I really miss gold league.

This is a wvw setup, but I’ve been running it for a couple nights now and it feels pretty strong in all the situations I’ve used it (solo, small man, medium scale).

30 earth – stone splinters, rock solid, diamond skin
20 water – vital striking, cleansing wave
20 arcane – renewing stamina, elemental attunement

Utilities – ether renewal, mistform, arcane wave, lightning flash, avatar of melandru

Runes – 6/6 traveler
Sigils – hydromancy, bloodlust, force

Gear – I run a real mix, but final stats with food are:

1944 power
1531 prec (33% crit before fury)
1733 toughness
1436 vit
330 condi damage
230 healing
35% boon dur
50% crit damage

This is an all purpose build and could be specialized, but it does a good job covering the bases. It has quite a bit of survivability, but with the damage modifiers still hits kitten ed hard, especially if you get some might in there.

Diamond skin is actually extremely useful in this setup. Basically I go HAM at the beginning of the fight because they can’t stop me without popping defensive cooldowns, and the second my health drops below 90 I use ether renewal with rock solid which generally brings me back above the threshold and lets me go on the offensive again. Essentially the role of diamond skin in the build isn’t to make me immune to conditions, but rather to allow me to ignore a lot of the throwaway conditions that make it so difficult to be a d/d ele. You still have to bring a kittenload of condi clear, but your opponent has to make a concerted effort to land them on you instead of just spamming them nonstop.

I can’t give the trait/build a definite thumbs up yet since there’s obviously a severe lack of challenge in our current matchup, but at least right now I’m feeling stronger than I have in a long time.

I only played with it a bit, but 30 earth actually felt like more of a burst build to me, which is obviously counter-intuitive considering the stats you get are toughness and condi damage.

It doesn’t help a ton over the course of a fight because eventually you are going to drop below 90%, and then you’ll get dumped on unless you have just as much condi clear as before. Where it really makes a difference is at the very beginning of the fight. With 25 earth and stone splinters (and vital striking if you choose), you have +20% (30%) damage out the gate, and 30 earth gives you immunity on swap to every cc and condition that could stop your damage.

I don’t know for sure if it’s worth it, but I do think the real value from DS comes in the first few seconds of a fight.

This game is so incredibly dumbed down that playing anything other than the ele for an extended amount of time makes me want to smash my head into my desk.

Only played a bit tonight since my internet sucks BBC and I get constant ping spikes at night, but after trying several builds I’ve somewhat settled on 0/0/30/20/20 with offensive gear. It actually has potential.

The devs don’t want interesting, skilled gameplay. They want the game to be as passive as possible with a very low skill cap. Instead of attracting players by making the pvp good, they are trying to attract players by making it mind-numbingly simple so anyone can pvp at a near equal level regardless of skill. Obviously it’s the wrong way to go about it, but the game’s been out over a year and just about everything these guys have done is wrong.

I don’t see this heal being terribly useful. Like the ele in general, the reward is not high enough to justify the risk.

dreztina.4820:

Wow I haven’t fought YB in forever. Do you guys have anyone worth fighting yet?

Not surprisingly, the answer seems to be no.

Wow I haven’t fought YB in forever. Do you guys have anyone worth fighting yet?

LightningBlaze.4913:

Even d/d eles can land all their “telegraphed bursts” towards any good thief player, the only requirement is to know when it is the best moment to land them successfully.

Have you tried playing d/d against a thief running s/d, shadowstep, and another stunbreak? Good luck reliably landing your burst against that.

S/D with D/P swap is one of the most kittened builds I have ever seen in any game, and it makes me glad that the broken aspects of both weaponsets are getting rectally kittened in the upcoming patch.

These are good changes, but I’m pretty disappointed that they are rolling out all the new rewards without doing anything about the skyhammer farmers. It’s sad that the pve team bans the kitten out of anyone who does anything that could even remotely be exploiting, yet the pvp team just turns a blind eye to a massive exploit that has made the prestige of the new system largely meaningless. It’s hard to get excited about anything anet does because, despite all their posts about how awesome it will be, in the end, it always turns out to be a completely kitten effort.

I think you guys are downing ether too much. It may not be the best heal for every situation, but it’s a good choice for when you don’t know what your next opponent will be. I roam with ether and it is a very good all purpose heal. I also duel with ether as I prefer to keep my duels as close to real fights as possible (unless it’s someone I can’t beat with my usual setup and really want to.

The interrupts really aren’t that bad except for a couple builds, and the massive amount of condi classes out there atm make the removal quite nice to have. Admittedly, it does seem there is currently a shift towards power builds again for roaming and I have been thinking about other options.

So many posts about how to get thieves low. Getting a thief low is completely meaningless because they have infinite resets without even breaking combat. Unless you’re playing spvp and trying to cap a point, just getting them low doesn’t mean anything if you can’t get the kill, and that’s why thieves beat eles. I’ve had so many fights with thieves that lasted 5-10 minutes where they’d unstealth, I’d hit them a bunch, they’d go into stealth and come out near full health, and this would just continue until I finally made a mistake, and them bam dead because I can’t just sit around in stealth until all my health is back.

Maybe after the December patch that hits S/D porting and D/P stealthing it won’t be as bad, but right now it’s 100% in the thief’s favor purely because the thief can reset without limit until the ele finally makes a mistake.

My thoughts are you’re rationalizing why it’s OK for you to be bad at this game and why people who are better than you should be ashamed of it.

Thieves are a broken class. It doesn’t matter if you outplay them because they have infinite do-overs. Between their unlimited mobility, spam blind, and going into stealth every 4 seconds, it is impossible to actually down them unless they are massively bad.

It has nothing to do with build or play, it’s that their class mechanics are better than your class mechanics. The best you can do vs. an even moderately competent thief is a stalemate because no matter how many times you get them low, they’ll stealth back to full over and over and over.

What I really like about Blackgate is the strong sense of server identity. For most of us, when we say I did this or I did that, we are talking about ourselves in the singular. But not Blackgate. When Blackgate says I did this or I did that, they mean they and their server mates did it together, but they don’t make that distinction. They view the one as the whole and the whole as the one. It’s really a very positive outlook that more servers should adopt.

I am sick of the game and don’t want to play anymore, but if I don’t finish either the Keep or Stonemist achievement I don’t get the big chest. Oh PPT’ers of Maguuma, please help me.

The problem is that the devs think lowering the skill cap as much as possible is going to make the game better. They want to attract casuals to pvp by dumbing the game down so much that someone who has never pvped before can play a couple games and be near full effectiveness. This is why any time a build comes around that is high risk high reward, they nerf it to the ground and simultaneously buff the mindless builds of the class. It’s unfortunate, but so is most of what these guys do. I think they are going to be in for a real shock when another mmo with pvp is released and they actually have competition.

After an arduous journey, the new computer is up and running, and GW2 is downloading. Soon I will be able to realize my dreams of being the zergiest zerger there ever was.

Justin ODell.9517:

Jae.5138:

who says yo ucan’t create topics on things you’ve discussed already?

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Probably not going to get a moderator on you, but it is preferred.

Edit: Search does seem weird.

Here’s a thought. Maybe if you disabled this godawful failure of a map, people would stop making threads about it. Just a thought.

Why would you showcase the worst map in the game?

Thanks.

15chars.

I need a bad luck brian meme:

Finally buys gaming computer after putting it off for months.

Loses interest in the game while the parts are being shipped.

Fishbones.6914:

and another thing!!!! whats up with our arcane utilities??? arcane wave is trash now…. 30 second CD and it hits for less than lightning whip … so what its a blast finisher? there is a reason cantrips are so popular….. they are just all around fantastic compared to our other options… i used to use arcane wave but now its damage is a joke for a utility slot skill on a 30 second CD

Ya, I dropped it and went back to triple cantrip. Cantrips are mediocre compared to other classes’ utilities, and the rest of our utilities are so pathetic they may as well not even be there.