Guild Wars 2

Handin.4032:

dreztina.4820:

What a surprise, a mesmer saying how easy confusion is to avoid.

I have no problem with it on any of my other alts Only benefit being mesmer gives me is I know very well how confusion works and its weaknesses. You’d be surprised how many people I STILL kill that spam autoattack through 10 confusion stacks and take away all their health.

PS. Im not defending the runes. I’m merely stating that instead of constantly QQ’ing and making excuses when you die to them you adapt. I too think the runes are over the top, I just change my play when I face someone using them. So, don’t make excuses when you die, just adapt and get better.

You can’t adapt to something that is completely broken. If you could, it wouldn’t be completely broken.

What a surprise, a mesmer saying how easy confusion is to avoid.

Ele needs some buffs, but you guys are getting a bit crazy with the trait requests.

Fishbones.6914:

elementalist is not fail in wvw….. you should rarely be losing 1v1’s to power builds … perplex engies, dhumfire necros, and condi mesmers however can give you quite a bit of trouble

The problem is those condi builds are pretty much the only thing anyone solos on these days, except for the perma stealth d/p thieves. I love the class, but it does get frustrating when virtually every fight is desperately trying to deal with one condi dump after another.

Nickthemoonwolf.1485:

See handins post. Not everyone in NOPE likes/wants to do GvG. We couldent grab enough members who wanted to do it even if we tried. Find another guild to bug.

I don’t do gvg, I just think you’re making excuses to avoid fighting.

Nickthemoonwolf.1485:

Just grabbing 15 people from our roster makes no sense for us. We dont have a proper set up or composition, nor do we have proper practice. I dont see a reason for us not to, and I know there has been more and more talk about setting up for GvG within the guild, and it will be coming sooner than later. If we get the people together we could try to organize just a skirmish or something, but we arent ready for a proper GvG yet.

Or you could just… do it…

Honestly I don’t think my build will change much at all. I switch around fairly frequently, but the core of my builds is 15 air, 15 water, 30 arcane. Nothing is being changed that would make that less optimal. Diamond skin is a cool idea, but even if it turns out to be amazing, would you really want to sacrifice a ton of healing and condi clear to get it?

Although I would like to try something like 10 air, 30 earth, 20 water, 10 arcane and load up on tank traits but almost full damage gear and see if it works out. I don’t know; there are a handful of builds I want to experiment with, but I think realistically I’ll end up running just about the same thing I am now.

Giving this a bump in the hopes of the devs finally doing something about it. These runes have been ruining solo/small scale fights for months now with absolutely nothing from anet. I don’t know if it’s laziness, apathy, incompetence or what, but this is rather silly that this has not been fixed.

I miss the days when the deciding factor in whether or not a fight was challenging came down to something besides if my opponent was running perplexity runes. I wish I knew what the next best rune was, and had gold to speculate, because when the nerf finally comes, a very large percentage of certain guilds are either going to regear or entirely cease to be a threat.

Ran around with 3-4 D/D eles and a D/D thief. Maximum penetration.

Mikhail.4961:

oZii.2864:

Mikhail.4961:

So… with the upcoming changes, is it even worth levelling an ele for the express purpose of d/d?
Because as I see it, Arcana VI is no more overpowered than mesmer’s Dueling Adept trait (five points, Critical infusion) and that’s a class with great survivability even without it.

With what Jon said renewing will stay adept and elemental attunement will move to master. So the standard 30 arcana d/d build is still possible.

Hm, but is that final though? He just said he saw the logic of it… which means fig tbh.

dreztina.4820:

Right now, D/D is horrible. These changes are not going to make it stronger. The best we can hope for is to adjust the changes so that D/D at least isn’t made weaker, and hope that the nerfs other classes are receiving result in it being at least moderately viable. But it still is going to be a subpar build after this patch, so if that’s a problem, I’d go for something else.

Really? I mean strictly for WvW/PvP purposes now, where they’re still pretty good.

D/D is trash right now.

Mikhail.4961:

So… with the upcoming changes, is it even worth levelling an ele for the express purpose of d/d?
Because as I see it, Arcana VI is no more overpowered than mesmer’s Dueling Adept trait (five points, Critical infusion) and that’s a class with great survivability even without it.

Right now, D/D is horrible. These changes are not going to make it stronger. The best we can hope for is to adjust the changes so that D/D at least isn’t made weaker, and hope that the nerfs other classes are receiving result in it being at least moderately viable. But it still is going to be a subpar build after this patch, so if that’s a problem, I’d go for something else.

Decided until I was less intoxicated to post here to avoid the ban.

These elementalist changes are a significant nerf. Your goal was to make elementalists less reliant on arcane/water, but you went about it completely wrong. Right now, an elementalist can run 10 arcane, 10-15 water, and get either elemental attunement or renewing stamina and cleansing wave while still leaving a lot of points for offensive lines. After the patch, it will require 20 arcane and water to have the same survivability, and still have less survivability than before.

Instead of making it viable to run low amounts of arcane and water, you are instead forcing elementalists to invest in them more heavily thanis currently necessary, or take a massive hit to survivability for very little gain from the other lines.

My current build is 15 air, 10 earth, 15 water, 30 arcane. This gives me very solid damage while maintaining a decent amount of survivability. Right now, I could drop arcane if I wanted and put more points elsewhere. After the patch, that will not be an option. Instead of being able to drop it, I will be forced to take 30 arcane because I can’t afford to lose another condi clear/heal. For water, either I invest in it more heavily, which I don’t want to do, or I drop it all together. Let’s say I forgo the heal and condi clear and move those 15 points somewhere else. I could put them into air for 0/30/10/0/30, a build which I’ve run before and found not to have enough survivability. I don’t see tempest defense being equal or better to heal+condi clear every 10s. The only other reasonable option would be to go 0/20/20/0/30. This would give me some stability. However, with any of these builds, I have absolutely zero protection except from armor of earth unless I change stone splinters to elemental shielding.

So from my current build, if I went 0/30/10/0/30, the tradeoff is:

+final shielding, -elemental attunement
-healing ripple and cleansing wave
+aeromancer’s alacrity and tempest defense
+elemental shielding, -stone splinters

If I went 0/20/20/0/30:
+final shielding, -elemental attunement
-healing ripple and cleansing wave
+aeromancer’s alacrity
+rock solid

Say I decided to completely forgo arcane and did something like 0/15/30/25/0:
-stone spinters, +elemental shielding, +rock solid, + diamond skin
+soothing disruption (I’d probably go back to triple cantrip for this, which I hate)
-elemental attunement, renewing stamina, evasive arcana

I could do 0/15/0/25/30:
-stone splinters
+soothing disruption
+final shielding, -elemental attunement

Looking at those builds, can you honestly say any of them are even on par with what is currently available? Not only are they not better, they are truly worse. After these changes, instead of my offensively geared balanced setup, I will be forced to either go full offensive with no survival at all, or full defense with very little offense. Not having any survivability is NOT an option for a D/D ele. Tempest defense does not in any way make up for what you lose to get it, and unless you are being babysat by a support, you will die without making any real impact on a fight. As for the full defensive setup, if I wanted to play that kitten, I woulda rolled a guardian.

If you go through with these changes, you will kill off what little viability offensive D/D has. You will not see a bunch of different builds. You will only see 30 water, 30 arcane builds which are weaker than they were before the patch.

It’s hard to really say for sure with such a big list of changes, but this looks more like an overall nerf than a buff. They pretty much gutted arcane and water, and certainly didn’t make up for it with the buffs to the other lines. Losing both cleansing wave and elemental attunement/renewing stamina is such a massive hit to survivability.

These guys don’t understand elementalists at all, and it’s a kitten ed shame. Just gotta wait for a mmo that’s more serious about its pvp to come out.

Chris.3290:

For instance, Maguuma is ticking 5ppt right now and only owns 1 camp across all maps. .

That’s probably the camp 7-10 JQ are sitting at farming dolyaks for like an hr+. #T1Roaming

JonathanSharp.7094:

FrownyClown.8402:

I think you guys need to stop this notion of 1 class can only fill a certain roll. If I want a necro that can tank as well as aa guardian it should be allowed. You guys limit builds this way. An example where I think you fell short is siphon builds. It gas great tank potential but doesn’t heal enough with healing power. Another example is a ranger. It’s build diversity and viabily falls short because its constrained into a no burst type class.

Watch for an upcoming post…..both of these are addressed.

Are you going to address how badly you overnerfed d/d?

I’m not. I’ve played a damage oriented D/D elementalist since shortly after release. Playing at a disadvantage is what I do.

Pinko.2076:

dreztina.4820:

I always lose interest in playing a few days into the match after it becomes clear there’s no one worth roaming around to find. I know it’s better overall to be in gold league, but I do miss EB.

Ebay lost more than a few to TC, including the core of GF.

Eh, when we were against TC, I never saw any GF tags in less than a 15 man. I think they fully embraced gold league. I don’t mean that disrespectfully; it just isn’t the same as it used to be.

I always lose interest in playing a few days into the match after it becomes clear there’s no one worth roaming around to find. I know it’s better overall to be in gold league, but I do miss EB.

JonathanSharp.7094:

Warriors are pretty strong right now, but will be seeing changes in an upcoming patch.

We like how they can be tanky, and we like how they can do DPS if they want. We also like the CC they can bring. We just don’t like them doing it all with 1 build.

Great, so how many months is it until that patch?

Personally I think D/D in its current state is a trash build. Easily one of the weakest in the game right now. You’ll go into almost every fight at a disadvantage, and your surplus skill will go into evening things out, not leaving as much room for fighting multiples. However, having said that, it does have the tools to allow you to overcome balance if you are sufficiently better than your opponent.

Personally I’ve never run the bunker build and think it is especially pointless now post nerfs. I think the current best you can do is hybrid, the degree determined by your skill and playstyle. I run 0/15 (bolt to the heart)/10 (stone splinters)/15 (cleansing wave)/30 (elemental attunement, renewing stamina, evasive arcana) with reasonably offensive gear and traveler’s runes.

shagworth.5017:

ukuni.8745:

GrahamW.5397:

Dear mag. Please tell me where you keep your good roamers hidden cause all i’ve found are people who run away and/or call people for help because they cant fight for themselves. K Thanks.

you can try finding us under the 20 man jq blob that seems to be everywhere at once

anytime i find a jq dude that’s up for a 1v1, i usually assume his bravery is encouraged by the 30 green dots he sees behind him.

Pretty much. I still haven’t found a good player on JQ yet.

NevirSayDie.6235:

Warrior players need to present helpful ideas, not just try to defend their profession from nerfs.

I wish that actually worked. Multiple eles from the top tpvp teams made huge posts on this forum detailing the problems with eles and what anet could change to bring them into line without going too far. And then anet completely ignored everything they said and broke the class.

Warriors do need to be nerfed, and they probably will be in the next balance patch (8 months from now), but when it happens, it won’t be based on the logical well presented ideas from high level players in the community. It will be some completely off the wall nonsense that doesn’t make sense to anyone.

The problem is that anet isn’t yet at the point of adding new skills to the game, and our current elites are such kitten there’s no point in buffing them because they’ll still be terrible.

If you’re human, I run avatar of melandru. It’s actually pretty good. You can use it just like a mistform stomp, and then you have a few abilities open to you afterwards such as condition clearing, a water field, or entangling roots.

Zord.6130:

Good job using rtl while immob.
There actually is no targeting skill which can hit an ele during rtl as it is too fast. Rtl is the best escape in the game, period.

Lol, stuff like this is why the elementalist got so horrendously overnerfed. You are sitting here stating falsehoods as if they are definite fact, and the other clueless people are sitting there thinking ‘ya, this guy knows what he’s talkin’ about’

I can’t tell if I’m being trolled or if people who play warriors are really dumb.

TheMerc.4850:

dreztina.4820:

Way to leave out the massive downside that an ele in RTL is unable to use any abilities. People always forget about that little fact when complaining about it.

You can’t do anything while Rush is going either bud. Aside from weapon swapping you have to ride out the animation. But meh research right?

Riiight, nothing except any instant ability including shouts, stances, and signets. Have you even played a warrior?

I think it’s much more realistic to ask for the post swap gcd to be removed.

TheMerc.4850:

Fairly certain you have Warrior’s Sprint on actually, would put it in the 1500 range. After testing both in the mists without sprint up, they’re fairly close, with RTL being the spaz and sometimes going further or not as far as Rush.

The disingenuous posts on here are getting pretty annoying.

If you really want to compare Rush and Ride The Lightning you can’t just look at the movement range. Rush has terrible targetting when it comes to the actual attack portion. It constitutes 10% of a warrior’s available weapon skills while RTL is 5%. RTL certainly seems faster in getting to where it’s going, not even counting in the attack phase on Rush. And last I checked, RTL ignores movement speed decreases (after testing to make sure, it does).

So yeah, lets not mention anything else and rally for nerfs. This isn’t as bad as that idiot claiming a warrior killed 4 of them at the same time, but come the hell on.

Way to leave out the massive downside that an ele in RTL is unable to use any abilities. People always forget about that little fact when complaining about it.

Kreen.3925:

Just remember we have a big pve crowd and they are working on achievements and this weekend is a popular time for them, be gentle

Obviously, the point you are trying to make is that JQ just relies on numbers and nothing more. Don’t worry we get it, you carry on believing that if it makes you feel better. Great you are seeing a bright side. Enjoy your week.

JQ was the unofficial server for many ex DarkFall, ShadowBane and DAoC players so there are quite a few smaller WvW focussed guilds who I am sure can give you a good time. Some of our bigger guilds also run havoc alot.

My point was that I’m running solo/duo and getting more loot bags than ever before. It’s awesome. This is probably the first time I feel like I’m actually getting something out of solo roaming besides the fights.

As for the good players on JQ, well, if you say so. Still waiting for someone to list some tags so I know who to go after.

I’m actually enjoying this matchup more than I thought I would. I figured it’d just be nothing but zergs and I’d have to run with a big guild to do anything, but that hasn’t been the case. There are actually lots of people running solo/small man from JQ. They’re insanely bad, definitely a contender for least skilled server I’ve ever gone against, yet still oddly willing to run around alone. I don’t think solo roaming has ever been this profitable. Going to be a good week.

Still needing to know the tags of the good guilds from JQ.

Yet another in the countless line of screw ups from the devs. I just don’t understand why people would think they can design a game they don’t even play.

Dardamaniac.1295:

JPeters stated yesterday in ESL tourn chat that they want to release the next balance patch in 12th dec.

That’s just so ridiculous. It’s truly incomprehensible to me how these devs still have their jobs. They have done and continue to do so much damage to the game, yet it’s still business as normal. It’s like there’s zero accountability at anet.

Having trouble finding any decent fights from JQ. What tags should I be looking for?

Handin.4032:

We held the parade, it was just small. A lot of TC people got stuck in queues.

I can’t tell if this is subtle cleverness or blatant appropriateness.

It’s funny; there’s always so much complaining about my roaming posts, yet without fail, if I make 2-3 posts, there ends up being 2-3 pages of people talking about roaming, even after I stop posting. Love it or hate it, roaming is still more interesting than beating your face against gates for hours on end.

Nickthemoonwolf.1485:

Why not, because they’re actually a challenge instead of you ambushing that solo guy trying to cross the map?

Well, that depends on the server, doesn’kitten

Thanks for the replies. They do look pretty good, but if it takes as long as you guys say to get them, there isn’t a chance I could stomach that much pve lol.

Evalana.5480:

So many people whining about the lack of solo roamers….. from all 3 of the servers… why not just whisper each other and set up some duels, rather than continuously spam the matchup thread whining about how y’all are such an endangered species?

Duels are nothing even remotely close to roaming fights. And why shouldn’t we talk about it in this thread? Is the internet running out of space? Are you guys no longer able to post about your thrilling ppt fights? I don’t come in here and start kittening every time someone posts a screenshot of a fight with 70 people in it, or talks about some “awesome” keep take. How about you just worry about what you post, and I’ll do the same?

And to Caroline re: intentionally baiting into groups, well, whatever. That just reinforces what I’ve been saying that TC is not a server with roamers.

Nickthemoonwolf.1485:

Found a roaming thief on Mag tonight in SoS BL. I stood there as he tried his opening attack on me and I just shrugged off his damage with two healing shouts. Not usually one to call names but asudem came along and gave him a real 1v1 and he bailed as fast as he could after taking 60% of his health in a single hit.
Am I allowed to generalize an entire server based on this thief’s trash build?

I’m not generalizing a server off one player. I’m generalizing it off quite a few hours of roaming and many, many players. Like Caffynated said, when it comes to TC, if you even see someone who looks like they’re alone and wants to fight, they’ll bail/call guildies to help. I’ve run into a handful of guilds that looked like roaming guilds, but as soon as I got one of them alone and they started to get spanked, the cavalry came flying in.

electriette.8952:

And it’s also Fairweather Galore. If you want to truly judge TC’s population and roaming frequency (though seriously why do you generalise servers anyway wut) I suggest doing it when we’re against a T1 server.

Why not generalize? I’ve fought enough servers to be able to get a feel for general roaming ability, as have plenty others. Some servers just don’t tend to foster that kind of play, and TC seems to be one of those. There’s a reason no one except people from TC are saying TC has roamers.

I have yet to see any solo roamers from TC either, and I’ve put in plenty of hours looking for those fights I love. I’ve honestly just given up on solo roaming now that we are in gold league. It is kitten ed near impossible to find handleable numbers and actually handle them before help comes. Even when I do come across another solo, it’s not even an enjoyable fight. I think the only person I’ve really lost to this matchup was a p/p perplexity thief running bountiful theft, and while I lost, it isn’t what I would consider a good fight, and certainly not one I’d want to repeat.

Kyuzo.4675:

dreztina.4820:

Three mag vs. every TC on the map. Thanks for coming back so many times guys. <3

Just logged on to see this display of awesomeness. I had a difficult time finding you in the middle of your zerg of mag mesmers and thieves but you did chase someone around the back of the tower and provided me with an easy kill. Its so satisfying to kill those that brag so much. Thank you. Cya around

I think you’re mistaking me for someone else lol. I legit have no idea who you are or what you are talking about, and there certainly hasn’t been anyone repeatedly beating me 1v1. I wasn’t even online when you posted and hadn’t been for about an hour.

Three mag vs. every TC on the map. Thanks for coming back so many times guys. <3

ykyk.2740:

TC actually can’t kill anyone without outnumbering them at least 30 to 1, so any less and we need to catch the person by surprise.

I’m glad I’m not the only one who noticed.

Buzzcrave.6197:

I fought a Mag DD ele with perplex rune the other night, and I really laugh out loud because of it. The runes need to go.

Those runes are going to get me banned from the forums eventually. Every time I die to a hardcore cheese perplexity build I rage post in the thread on wvw discussions. Had to edit the last one twice.

I’ve used the item code to do a preview, but that doesn’t really tell me much. How do they look on a d/d ele? Do they interact with our skills well, or are the trails lost in the effects? Are they cool enough to be worth trying to get?

It’s pretty much a crap shoot. You can put together something that looks decent, but the female armor skins are 10x better.

Lol. Did you think we were having some kind of debate? I tell you what. You win. Your impressive textual prowess has overpowered me. I will continue to believe anet doesn’t give a kitten, but as I have been defeated, I shall retreat from the field of battle. You can have your civilized discussions in peace. I am sure that, with this victory and ensuing positive, unbiased conversations, we elementalists can count on this change being in the next patch. Thank you for your service.