There is a very contradictory attitude in wvw it seems.
:::snip long rambling post insinuating dreams of T1 domination have fallen away:::
I never liked the T1 matchups I have been a part of here and on IOJ. The skill lag is terrible and while fun always having an enemy on the map it also gets frustrating when only the 1 button works. So really for me there were no T1 dreams.
I know there are no tiers anymore but the WvW population differences between the former tiers are still there.
Maybe 99.5%
You guys are fine. This week wasn’t too bad anyway.
Question for DB. Why is there never any green in Mag BL? Are they really strong on their home BL or are you guys avoiding it this week?
I think I can answer that.
1. Mags is way below us in rating so hitting them would make our rating go up. I personally dont want to fight the former T1 servers. What they do to us is analogous to what we do to you guys.
2. I trolled Mags in the “why the maguuma hate” thread and said their defense is a joke. I think they decided to make me eat my words by showing they can defend when they have numbers. :P
I dont know. This week has had some really fun fights. (crawls under bridge) except when mags are running away from them.
Trust me FA isn’t feeling that great right now either. DB just has way too many people. They can keep a full large zerg on each map 24/7. It isn’t even worth playing when you are up against them.
Maybe FA is getting a little more attention this week and they just cant handle the pressure without TC constantly pushing us? Could that be why you guys took the silver for the last couple weeks of T2? hmmmm.
You are acting like you never fought mags before^^^^^^^
so db lost everything just to defend smc, then lost smc, fun times :P
and i love you mag
having some fun during euro primetime? Good For You(…)
It’s actually kind of weird that this thread is still going because most of us don’t actually care.
… and because you give up a match you’re not winning. As much spine, as skill.
That’s why.
Must be awkward to ever dip below a server who gave up in PPT, and to lose garrison to them too. Ouch!
Whenever this happens against mags I think to my self “Thanks guys, now I can pull an extra +600 WXP when we recap it.”
Mags defense is funnier than their forum warriors.
Always seeing the sunny side of things you. In that case, why don’t you let us cap all of your keeps so you can get some more WXP? :P
I dont have the authority to do that for all of Db and our bl but we will happily swap FA BL with you.
let them see how it feels to have a 2v1…
It’s actually kind of weird that this thread is still going because most of us don’t actually care.
… and because you give up a match you’re not winning. As much spine, as skill.
That’s why.
Must be awkward to ever dip below a server who gave up in PPT, and to lose garrison to them too. Ouch!
Whenever this happens against mags I think to my self “Thanks guys, now I can pull an extra +600 WXP when we recap it.”
Mags defense is funnier than their forum warriors.
I also agree that Anet hates Maguuma. look at the daily “maguuma killer” does any other server get that attention?
Um, yeah. How about “Dragon Bash”!
I just figure that Dragon bashing has been going on here for the last 2 months and Anet wanted to get in on it.
Crap, two threads… I need to be doubly ashamed.
Edit: The second one, from my understanding, is not recruitment. It’s a public announcement on where they decided to go and who else moved to DB recently (I’m sure most people would have liked to see who exactly went over). The “interested in credentials” seems more like a “shameless self-plug” sort of thing.
Not sure of trying to troll…. or just mad?
Either way, you should just do as most of your server does, accept it, roll with it and just stop giving a kitten! Like hell, guuman’s are known as chest thumpers and forum warriors, idgaf. Your server happened to be where a chunk of KN went when they weren’t having much success, in hope to do better. Dragonwagon/Wagonbrand, just lol and move on, unfortunately you guys will always look like that bandwagon server because you got large transfers from KN and started dominating everywhere but against T1 servers.
TL;DR
Just stop giving a kitten what people call you/your server!
Lawl. We only got 1 guild when Kn broke up. A real good guild but still only 1.
Unless you know the facts muzzle yourself. It is better to be thought a fool and remain silent than to open your mouth and confirm it.
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Mag and FA and DB all accuse each other of 2 vs 1.
Go back to the TC and FA threads and see, I never complained about a 2v1, because it was fun competing. I mean it is the nature of 3 way match ups.
You assumed there was a 2v1 then?
Troll will be troll.
Why r u so hostile nowadays? I used to follow Krew when u r leading. Have so much fun then. U left DB complaining of big Zerg (if i remember correctly when wxp was introduced) and got your whole guild to an EU server. 1 big round later, u join a tier2 server… Must be very sound reasoning.
Lawl I was ignoring his heavy handed troll attempt. I give it a 2/10 for cherry picking the quote.
edit: fun fights mags in your north camp. We knew going up there would pull the whole map and gave us an excellent chance to battle against multiple times our numbers.
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Mag and FA and DB all accuse each other of 2 vs 1.
Not to be a jerk but I invite the 2v1 vs Db. I had so much fun last week when we fought more than we could handle. There is nothing fun about overwhelming 2 opponents, but fighting tooth and nail against 2 enemies pushing us. Not knowing if we can hold, and needing to use great timing for our pushes.
Go back to the TC and FA threads and see, I never complained about a 2v1, because it was fun competing. I mean it is the nature of 3 way match ups.
We learned some new things against JQ and BG last week. Mostly we learned that our server is mostly fairweathers.
i don’t underastand how you can expect anything else with being the new bandwagon server. it has been the case with every other bandwagon server as soon as the easy wins stop the new people don’t show up anymore. why did you think this wasnt the case with db to make this some sort of suprise?
It’s interesting because DB received all of its transfers when the “easy” wins stopped. Since we moved to T2, we had one week I would consider easy; the rest have all been hard fought, excepting last week when we were soundly trounced.
Do you have another theory for us?
sure i have another theory. you got the transfers in t3 they got you to t2 where you didnt dominate and so they lost interest the same as many other bandwagon servers.
No. You are wrong. We were going to T2 because we dominated T3 with our SEA population. The first transfers came the week before we went to T2.
Get your facts straight or muzzle yourself.
Last week against JQ and BG I kept my spirit up by looking at how well we did, when we could. There were times we posted +200 PPT vs 2 T1 servers. Think about this with regards to what the OP said. It is all about coverage. if you want to win a matchup you should transfer to another server. Otherwise fight the good fight.
I also agree that Anet hates Maguuma. look at the daily “maguuma killer” does any other server get that attention? I also didnt get that daily achievement when i killed you guys last night…must be bugged
I hope this newly revitalized BG gets matched up with SOR next week to see what type of coverage the fairweathers can bring you guys.
Inquiring minds asked about TFV?
They are a good bunch of players
I am not suggesting any 2v1 or anything but if BG can pull away from JQ, you guys are within a few points of toppling SOR from first place with regards to the glicko rating.
edit: All you need is TC to keep up the fight.
These are just my views, but #1 and #2 rating is rather meaningless, particularly when it’s so close. The reasons BG is gaining rating and SoR is losing rating have to do with random chance, which really invalidates the difference. The only way it will matter to me is if BG beats SoR in a direct match and overtakes the #1 rating spot. Otherwise it’s just Glicko silliness.
I won’t argue this. It is meaningless, but it would be fun to tweak their nose about it if you are matched up this next week. Think chess. you can set up your troll this week and be a step ahead next week :P
I’m already crying.
/cry
Ok I’m done now.What will we do??
All is lost, precious numberLetoll speaking of LeTroll :P
Unclever yet deluded people have come up with that for near 20 years now.
Try harder.
I was referring to myself as the troll in this instance
edit: I can appreciate someone who has had the same handle on the internet for years. The name I use, Eithinan Dates back to my dial up AOL days
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I am not suggesting any 2v1 or anything but if BG can pull away from JQ, you guys are within a few points of toppling SOR from first place with regards to the glicko rating.
edit: All you need is TC to keep up the fight.
These are just my views, but #1 and #2 rating is rather meaningless, particularly when it’s so close. The reasons BG is gaining rating and SoR is losing rating have to do with random chance, which really invalidates the difference. The only way it will matter to me is if BG beats SoR in a direct match and overtakes the #1 rating spot. Otherwise it’s just Glicko silliness.
I won’t argue this. It is meaningless, but it would be fun to tweak their nose about it if you are matched up this next week. Think chess. you can set up your troll this week and be a step ahead next week :P
I’m already crying.
/cry
Ok I’m done now.What will we do??
All is lost, precious number
Letoll speaking of LeTroll :P
I am not suggesting any 2v1 or anything but if BG can pull away from JQ, you guys are within a few points of toppling SOR from first place with regards to the glicko rating.
edit: All you need is TC to keep up the fight.
These are just my views, but #1 and #2 rating is rather meaningless, particularly when it’s so close. The reasons BG is gaining rating and SoR is losing rating have to do with random chance, which really invalidates the difference. The only way it will matter to me is if BG beats SoR in a direct match and overtakes the #1 rating spot. Otherwise it’s just Glicko silliness.
I won’t argue this. It is meaningless, but it would be fun to tweak their nose about it if you are matched up this next week. Think chess. you can set up your troll this week and be a step ahead next week :P
I am not suggesting any 2v1 or anything but if BG can pull away from JQ, you guys are within a few points of toppling SOR from first place with regards to the glicko rating.
edit: All you need is TC to keep up the fight.
I’ve spent 8+ hours a day in eb since reset and from what I’ve seen BG can’t do anything to us without WAY out manning us or double teaming us with JQ which is just sad. At least as far as EB goes
Have you never followed a 30+ man zerg to take an undefended camp or tower? The way I see it, if you are winning the numbers game, might as well use that to your advantage. I certainly wouldn’t say “hey look 10 DB taking QL, can a squad of 10 people or less please stop them?”
Oh, and you can be sure that BG has fairweathers just like any other server. So some of those people you are complaining about might not be too confident in their WvW skills, and need backup from people who know what they’re doing.
Lastly, you sound bitter. You clearly are not enjoying your time, yet you are spending 8 hours a day in EB. Maybe your time is better spent elsewhere. I’m not saying this to troll, I just think you might have an addiction problem, and I’m trying to help.
generally I don’t spend this much time in eb but this was week T1 and I personally have not seen T1 before . Everyone said we were going to get rolled we are going to lose ect ect and true enough we are getting rolled but T1 just isn’t as impressive as I had hoped theyd be maby that’s my issue just didn’t live to the hype
It’s ok DB. Every server has one, we understand.
Thats kind of you, but TBH I dont think he is from Db. Our trolls are much more eloquent and manipulative. This guy is rather heavy handed. And this is the first week i have seen him in the match thread.
My main point with the new system is this:
The old system CAUSED the very high difference in WvW skill and population between Tiers.
Ability: Servers were isolated from each other for long periods of time. So new tactics develop in Tier 1 that Tier 2 has no idea about. Evidence: look at many of the post by DB players in this very thread. They are talking about how much different we do things and how much they are learning. If DB had not played us this week, they STILL wouldn’t know about it.
Population: AFTER free transfers ended, the #1 reason guilds transferred were to fight new opponents and get out of the deadlock of fighting the same guilds and servers over and over again. Look at IRON. Their guild was so done with with WvW because they were stuck against Vizuna Square for so long and couldn’t leave the Tier.
Look at the amount of compression of WvW guilds the servers have gone under since free transfers ended. Entire WvW populations were eaten by the current Tier 1 servers. SBI, IOJ, KN, FA, DH, CD and even some EU servers. If those guilds had remained spread out, we’d have much closer matches even with the volatility.
Those two main factors have cause a huge spread in points when servers go up even one Tier. But how to fix this?
You remove the stagnation that caused it: Check.
You make transferring to lower servers cheaper: Check. (When they lowered the pop cap, they did it for everyone, its cheaper to move to more lower pop servers than ever before)
In six months we are going to see a much more even top two or even top three tiers than we see right now because of this system. Because guilds will move off the stacked servers cuz they will realize how much of a blowout they are causing in their matches.
HOD was stacked. It no longer is. The guilds will spread out because now they won’t be afraid of boring matches because they will get to fight good opponents if they roll the right random number again, instead of having to hope for a server to implode.
I was going to troll this statement about skill but you are correct. Db has a long way to go before we have the common use tactics to set us on that next level. Our new members of the community seem to be very open to sharing what they know about different tactics from different Tiers.
I will say that in small scale and solo roaming there is a serious level of difference from T1 and T3 TBH. The smaller servers like mags and FA have better individual skill I feel. But in these matchups that isn’t the game.
It amazes me people do not like the new system. The old one was so STAGNANT.
Agreed, it was stagnant …but the system they just put in with its current implementation is pretty freaking horrible. I realize you may be having more fun this week because you aren’t getting blown out, but there are some pretty hefty blowouts going on in some of the match ups making people not even want to play (on all sides).
Do you really think putting the top ranked NA server against a T4 server is fun for anyone? Heh
My personal opinion is this week where we are getting demolished is better than last week in terms of fun. The roaming is a little scarce for my tastes though.
Thanks for fun fights in EB tonight from [SG]
DB stay out of our dredge cave :p
Im the thief who farms there and calls out movements when I see a zerg run through. You won’t see me, and I assure you it is my cave. Find me if you can and if you kill me there you get 30 pieces of silver if you group with me.(I’m not giving silver to more than 1 person so dont zerg me.)
Cool story, don’t think anyone is going to waste their time chasing a thief around a place with 100 NPCs to CnD/rally off.
It is a side game, something to keep things interesting
I could always play this game at your wp’d keeps…
Thanks for fun fights in EB tonight from [SG]
DB stay out of our dredge cave :p
Im the thief who farms there and calls out movements when I see a zerg run through. You won’t see me, and I assure you it is my cave. Find me if you can and if you kill me there you get 30 pieces of silver if you group with me.(I’m not giving silver to more than 1 person so dont zerg me.)
I mean come on if you’re going to do it at least own up to it don’t be kids about it
I’m pretty sure this person isn’t even on Db… this is the first time I’ve seen him/her post.
Kudos to WM+ND and ATM for the fights in DB garrison that lasted at least 3 hours!
I would like to say hi to HASAN and ND!!!. miss you guys from our old IOJ days.
I do wonder about who TW thinks is the most helpful to them on JQ since taking up position as the premier WvW guild on JQ? Are you guys getting the cooperation you were expecting from the established community?
Nobody, not anyone in T1, T2, nor T3 – T8, is surprised by what DB is doing against T1 servers. Well maybe 0.01% of DB is surprised about how bad we’re doing, and those are the ones that trolled the T1 forums and JQ LA weeks ago.
You guys have been in the T1 matchup so long you may have lost some perspective. You can ask SoR, TC, and SoS now…T1 is a different beast, and nobody outside of T1 has a chance. So should T1 servers feel so great about beating DB down? No, I think they should feel bad for letting us have even +1 PPT.
I look at this a different way. I am very pleased with how well Db is doing when we are outside of SEA prime time. There have been times during euro where we have pushed the PPT to over +200 this reset weekend which is generally our worst time zone. During NA prime we have held a decent PPT for a T2 server as well at times.
I appreciate how TW didnt come to Db to mess our glicko up even more after last weeks match.
along the lines of what I posted previously….
I would like to point out that Db managed to take Stone Mist Castle 2 times tonight while holding our 3rd. Well done underdogs.
Nobody, not anyone in T1, T2, nor T3 – T8, is surprised by what DB is doing against T1 servers. Well maybe 0.01% of DB is surprised about how bad we’re doing, and those are the ones that trolled the T1 forums and JQ LA weeks ago.
You guys have been in the T1 matchup so long you may have lost some perspective. You can ask SoR, TC, and SoS now…T1 is a different beast, and nobody outside of T1 has a chance. So should T1 servers feel so great about beating DB down? No, I think they should feel bad for letting us have even +1 PPT.
I look at this a different way. I am very pleased with how well Db is doing when we are outside of SEA prime time. There have been times during euro where we have pushed the PPT to over +200 this reset weekend which is generally our worst time zone. During NA prime we have held a decent PPT for a T2 server as well at times.
I appreciate how TW didnt come to Db to mess our glicko up even more after last weeks match.
EMP has been asked twice already in this thread for a GvG against RE to settle matters… winner gets the bragging rights. And we end it there. Any takers from EMP?
What a great idea! That will go real well for a guild that is rebuilding after being gutted by the “legendary” egos. Even if EMP were in a position to GvG right now it wouldn’t settle anything. There are still going to be hard feelings among certain individuals. If anything it would just make the drama even worse than it is, and I think we’ve had enough of that already.
and here comes the backpedaling…
QQ’ing EMPer “boo hoo you left us”
RE guy " yeah and you’ve been a dumped girlfriend since, lets fight it out"
QQ’ing EMPer"well erm, no we’re too weak to fight you"
Everyone on the forums “lawl, thats pathetic. maybe Noodles and Lee made the right choice to drop the dead weight”
I think DB has learnt alot from the last day or so. Most importantly, that they are not even close to Tier 1 Quality.
One last thing, is it true the RE has split?
T1 Quality!!!???!?!?!?
Yeah we’re having a hard time autoattacking and running back and forth…
You might not know that in lower tiers with less coverage, people actually use buttons other than 1.
SNIP. Just happy to boast that we have no server allies and we are still out there balls to the walls.
There was a time that Db took pride in having no server enemies….
Db was going to T2 before anyone came here on the backs of our SEA coverage. At most we would be a T2.5 without the new guilds. With them we were a solid T2.
Judging what Db, as a whole, did on reset night is a little unfair for the majority of Db players considering how it is the first time many of them have played in T1 with the T1 lag.
Is there any way to have the EMP/RE chest thumping go to another thread? Then people wont have to wade through pages of comments that only apply to 1 % of the people involved in this match.
Nah i quite like the current system, theirs something about sitting in a massive 100+ man teamspeak party with your server mates and all speculating on who you’re vsing once reset kicks in everybodies like ERMAGARD who are we vsing. Once you notice it’s Tarnished Coast and Fort Aspenwood everybody goes dead silent for like 1 minute. Then theirs the one guy who starts cracking up laughing and everybody follows suit and just starts laughing hysterically like “we’re screwed”. I like that =)
Try being the server that TC and FA smoked the week before last and going against JQ and BG this week….
Under the idea that a good commander does not ask more of his squad mates that he is willing to do himself…
If a commander has increased supply carrying capacity from any source that gets mirrored to his squad in a 1200 range. Or just have a +5 supply capacity within 1200 range.
This would help to define s role for a commander tag. I think different commander roles are one of the things commanders are missing.
Or maybe have Wxp ranks on commanders mirror within a moderate range. Siege bunker/damage commanders would hit keeps, guard killer/supply carrier commanders would flip camps or run supply and repair.
Pfft….. if only you knew that our JQ center island was really a giant missile silo. If we go, T1 comes with us.
<insidious laugh>
….Muahahahahahaha…..
</insidious laugh>:)
I’d go for all of these if there were personal counters to them. Backpack that have aura shielding. Laser and sonic weapon’s for the beast… etc.
“The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the force”
I asked Mags and SbI to double team us this week. It isn’t working out very well for them still. :*(
I miss our relatively balanced matchup of T2, but I am enjoying the roaming for now.
What do you guys think of Db jumping up to rank 4 past you guys without fighting you. I think it’s pretty ridiculous.
Here’s to them hopefully working this out. cheers
What ever happened to Bunzy?
No no no…
The ISO standard says YYYY-MM-DD. Also, the standard for pixels is “0x<red><green><blue>” or “#<red><green><blue>” we should use both together.
Example for the first “tiers” of Europe:
EU 2013-05-31 0xERVSJS (or #ERVSJS)
EU 2013-05-31 0xSRDEKO (or #SRDEKO)
EU 2013-05-31 0xBBARAM (or #BBARAM)See? Totally readable. Standards are good!
forgot to include alpha transparency in there NA 31.05 0xAAARBPEB
I like it but could you give an example including my rankings suggestion?
^^^I cannot tell you how much i love the guild kitten ’s name being censored. derpity derpy derp, did any get through?
edit: lawl
TC and FA??
Thanks but it’s not hard to be better at PvF than EA.
I’d focus on improving GvG performances if I were you.
Are you referring to the PYRO vs. Agg GvG? There’s no shame in losing to Agg. They are a competent guild with excellent sportsmanship. To my knowledge, no Agg member engaged in trash-talk in this thread. On the other hand, were we to accept a challenge from BP, we’d find ourselves in a zugzwang. Were we to lose, it would be a loss against BP. Were we to win, it would only be victory against BP and therefore meaningless. Same goes for EA. On the other hand, I’m sure Paralda wouldn’t refuse another challenge from Agg. We may not win as many GvGs as our D|ERP brothers and sisters but we learn and adapt.
WOW, whats with all the BP hate? I mean other than Calvin, who only really comes out during the mags matches to mix it up with other pro PvF Warriors, BP is a respectful lot. Most don’t even come to the forums.
I would understand this type of hate from ill because of the misunderstanding during that GvG, but what did we do to pyro?
The screen looks legit. Don’t think they hack.
What about this?
http://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/gw021gkdsq509bf.jpg
not conclusive. there could be an Ac behind the gate to the south.
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with the new matchup system and there being no tiers, could we add a server ranking code to the end of the topic titles? something like
5:7:12
based off the server name order. this will give an idea of how off balance the match up is
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Oh no I’m familiar with Mag forum warriors, I’m from SBI. And I do remember that during our last stretch facing Mag I stopped logging into the forums until a different matchup.
Strange how they are much more reasonable and plesant in game. I mean this is the only time we’ve been able to work with another server and pull off a 2v1 and it is great fun. Actual stragegy being used, why can’t we talk about that?
this is madness. The best part of facing mags is the matchup thread and roaming.
/respect
hides back under his bridge
I’m a Db thief that roams. I was defending a dolyak yesterday and I won a 2v2 against 2 Mag thieves who were trying to gank a yak.
Me and the Yak survived.
YO! SBI! We magummers were trying to help you at Mendons by trebbing the DB wall down lol. We decided to help you push DB out of Mendons and you just turn and zerg our trebs down on the hill
Apologies. We still have alot of new players who cannot see a 2v1 in thier favor. Please excuse the noobness.
I was there… Chat was something like ‘Magumma is here to help!’, ‘Do not engage Magumma if at all possible’…. Not sure why part of our zerg ‘refused’ your help
I know a bunch of us were cheering for the reinforcements. Thanks for the help and sorry not everyone accepted it.
To be fair, early in the day after Magumma capped SM and DB was trying to retake it, SBI flooded in and attacked DB from behind and tried to stop all reinforcements. When DB made a push into the lords room, SBI tried to crush them from behind. I was downed on the stairs, was trying to rez and a Mag came all the way down the stairs to stomp me…I was like ‘what the kitten! We were just trying to help you keep SM’…guess he didn’t want my help
This possible, unofficial 2v1 thingy (we deny that it’s actually happening) still has some kinks to be ironed out…
You guys shoudl consult with FA and TC about 1. working a 2v1 and 2. keeping it quiet :P
I think I annoyed some people when I suggested the 2v1 earlier on, but it wasn’t meant as an insult.
Also can we drop the failed GvG thing from months ago. There was misunderstandings. The first one was thought to be a 30v30 and apparently was not. Then when it was 25-25 we spread out into 5 groups of 5 so you could count us. and waited. and waited. and then we were told that we attack at xx:xx server time(sorry dont remember the time details that far back)
I remember ND from a long time ago and they didnt hack.
This is legit with the range trait.
What was that about us not having our keeps? Pretty sure we’ve got some of yours too.
YAY start up the Wxp train again!!!! heading out of magummy station.
:P
Was nice to meet you yesterday Loki.
this post may get infracted. ITS PLAYER ASSASSINATION!!!!!
get it :P
Have fun in your current matches cant wait to cross paths again