Guild Wars 2

Mortalitas.9710:

Welcome back DB and hello SBI! I like the new system gives some variety that’s for sure. While I’m not looking forward to getting rolled by large groups it will be fun to evade and employ some tactics. NNK I’m coming for you, you guys are good but i’ll pick off every last NNk roamer I see this match.

Lokii we have a customer

Edit: but seriously, i am real excited by the roaming potential up coming over the next week when things slow down a little from the weekend.

I would like to direct you to this thread I posted a while back addressing arrowcarts. I do not like some of the things involved with where AC’s can target. But it is not hacking or exploiting as per Anet.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Arrow-Carts-can-hit-hard-to-reach-places/first#post2017966

This is how Anet has decided to enable multi monitor setups. It is from the developers. It is not 3rd party, or unintended by them or they would find some fix.

edit: They are working on a fix in some ways. they are debuffing the range and extra range traits on arrowcarts. But they dont want to do that until they can offer a reset on the spent wvw points.

NevirSayDie.6235:

tl;dr why would anyone in any tier send 10+ people to flip quaggans?

Speed.

I would like to throw this out there for public consumption. Why not 2v1 Db?

This will do nothing to effect NNK-O’clock during the TFV timezone points, but it may help even out the off hours. Also it will really test our other times. I personally think Mags NA coverage can match up against us, I dont know about SBI.

I also want to /wave to the limping D/E/R/P general who didn’t kill this raptor near the SE gate of your garrison last night

showatt.9413:

i find it very amusing to see that those JQ representatives still claiming that JQ has a good wvw community…maybe JQ did have a great community, but it’s gone now.

Why don’t you tell us why Fire, the guild that was on JQ since launch decided to transfer to DB? how about the departure of Omen? Also, if you are thinking about transferring to JQ, you need to watch out some of the commanders from HzH and AoS, they love yelling at PuGs who question their fail tactics, these so-called commanders even went as far as threatening to ban PuGs who have different views from using the server’s TS.

And people wonder why JQ is doing so bad these days…

I urge the folks from Omen and Fire to speak up, tell us the sad reality of JQ’s wvw community. JQ needs to get rid of its bad blood before it sinks lower.

Why would Fire and Omen want to dwell on the past when they have such a bright future on Db?

Arale.4207:

eithinan.9841:

Recruitment thread progression:
DB: Come join our community. we’re pretty cool.
Other servers esp. TC and FA: Db sucks they are full of jerks.
DB: no we’re pretty cool and proud of it.
Other servers: Wagon Brand, Wagon Brand!!!
DB: Come on, we made it to T2 without transfers.
Other servers: cricket, cricket…You got transfers we Hate you!!!
DB: but thats because we’re a pretty cool community.

and on, and on, and on…

You may be missing the underhanded reason why a lot of the recruiting happened in the first place: a certain few people had dreams of reaching T1 with a new server, so they focused on recruiting with that goal in mind. That’s the reason people label DB as a bandwagon server. Ironically, even with the thousand or so transfers that did happen, it doesn’t appear to have made any difference in that goal.

Wanting to recruit is fine, but I can’t really respect ripping guilds from a T1 Server to get the T2 server that said person is on to T1 for some weird fantasy. Hilariously enough, even if you guys had stomped all over T2 as planned, ANet would have swooped in with the new rating change.

Just my opinion though.

Furthermore, to the DB people still trying to get transfers: your server is full. Let some other servers have the guilds please. Despite your awesome community, you can’t stuff anyone else in there reliably anyhoo.

Actually the recruiting started when Db realized it was just a matter of time before we went to T2. As I have stated before we remembered the drubbing we got when TC or FA were in T3 during NA prime. What you are posting above is uninformed conjecture, with some weird splash of paranoia.

I can actually understand why some of the new members of our community would want to get to T1 to get some frustration out on the battlefield based on the smearing they have received here on the forums. But is wanting to improve a servers position something to be ashamed of?

If the Db timezones where we are less populated do not work and recruit to improve where we are lacking, we will be letting our prime time SEA guilds down.

Hickeroar.9734:

eithinan.9841:

Recruitment thread progression:
DB: Come join our community. we’re pretty cool.
Other servers esp. TC and FA: Db sucks they are full of jerks.
DB: no we’re pretty cool and proud of it.
Other servers: Wagon Brand, Wagon Brand!!!
DB: Come on, we made it to T2 without transfers.
Other servers: cricket, cricket…You got transfers we Hate you!!!
DB: but thats because we’re a pretty cool community.

and on, and on, and on…

That’s a pretty self-serving post consisting of nothing more than imaginations on your part.

No one thinks DB are jerks.

DB did become a bandwagon server. It’s just a fact. There’s even a quote from Loki of NNK floating around about it. This happens to lots of servers, and I personally don’t see too much of a problem with it. It only becomes a problem when a FULL server is still trying to recruit. They couldn’t transfer to DB even if they wanted to…

Yes, DB did get to T2 mostly on their own. The transfers mostly had nothing to do with that. Transferring your guild to a winning server is a “bandwagon” move. That is where the reputation/allegations come from.

There is no mostly about it…

Recruitment thread progression:
DB: Come join our community. we’re pretty cool.
Other servers esp. TC and FA: Db sucks they are full of jerks.
DB: no we’re pretty cool and proud of it.
Other servers: Wagon Brand, Wagon Brand!!!
DB: Come on, we made it to T2 without transfers.
Other servers: cricket, cricket…You got transfers we Hate you!!!
DB: but thats because we’re a pretty cool community.

and on, and on, and on…

/signed.

please address this as well as kicking offline people from group and other party/chat issues in WvW

Asudementio.8526:

I have not seen poorer long term play on any server’s part more than i have seen from FA this morning. GG

long term play is for Guild Wars 2, This is GOLEM WARS BABY!!!!!!!!! zerg, cap and recap!!!!

OrigJoker.1870:

Anyone else encountering the siege bug? We couldn’t place hardly any siege on EB or FABL tonight…very strange.

We had this at Dawns Tower the other day on the ballista spot.

The matchup discussion has run it’s course. DO NOT LOG INTO WvW. The match is OVER.

move along, nothing to see here…

Hadan.2841:

@ rawr, BT smashed every single guild in this tier and if anyone tries to say otherwise is a fool. They would 1v3 different guild grpkittenting them from all sides at the same time. They did run different tags because ppl did avoid them, zergs that rolled 20+ more than BT ran from them because they knew the dmg they left. Ppl will be bitter towards them for whatever reasons but facts are still facts, they smashed everyone in this tier.

BT was a great challenge and when they were in T3 inspired BP to step up our game to the next level. When we fought them in T2, it was great competition when we were able to muster our full force and compete with them on mostly equal terms.

I do think smashed is a little strong TBH though. They gave good competition and they had great movement, but they were not unbeatable.

The thief is the sniper of WvW, but we cant do it from more than a range of 130.

Selan said:
" you guys got a ton of transfers and made it into t2, where u belittle’d us,claiming we were to weak for you guys. your arrogance made us focus u guys more and to be quite honest, TC has a good sense of humor and as weird as it sounds, I prefer TC to you guys as they have been a good sport. we still fight both servers and we still try to take as many objectives in their bl as possible. red=dead!"

I swear noone remembers that we were a t2.5 server, and going to t2 when the transfers first started coming. Rb was the first and started moving 2 weeks before we went to t2.

StratoJuan.3418:

what’s up TC? hax much?

I was going to post something without the screenshot or the tag showing but yeah… really…you have to be on top of the SW camp building. I know you can jump up there out of combat, but it is as dirty a trick as fly hacking because you know being up there is not intended.

WyldKat.4712:

Lanimal.6541:

Bayern just won the champions league

… I thought they made aspirin.

actually they make all types of drugs including those tainted with hiv.

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-204_162-555154.html

I didn’t play DaoC. I think this idea has some merit if implemented properly. Traps would have a strong determining effect on the viability of combat inside the zone.

a few constructive quetions.

would siege be allowed in the zone?
would there be capture points?
choke points?
would this be a glorified Eternal Jump puzzle?
what differences to the JP would there be?
would there be a jump puzzle component for mesmers to help people skip over?

TassyTas.2147:

Another week. Will they team up on us again to deny the win? we will find out later this week<3.
In all though just makes it a good challenge to have the pressure on hehe.
Prolly the most entertaining match up. Good fights lets keep the weekend/week Rollin hard and strong! ^^

NARF!!!!

Usagi.4835:

Arkanfel.8403:

Oi, this is what makes communicating on the web so strangely difficult…. >.<

Offering retrospective commentary shouldn’t always constitute crying or excuse-making, which is why I’m constantly emphasizing that I understand the strategy and don’t hold it against those who benefit from it. I’ve done it myself, as I say in one of the posts of mine that you quoted above.

TC has done what it takes to win in this tier. DB has done what it takes to win in this tier. Those are the facts that matter, everything else is just the details; how it happened and why. 2v1’s don’t always meaningfully impact the match outcome, but DB withered under this one and it did. We lost the match when we lost control of our home BL on Wednesday night, and failed to recap any meaningful ground for way too long. Whether the double-team persisted before, through or beyond that doesn’t really matter at the end of the week.

I’m out. Sorry again for whatever. Honest.

No need to apologise. I’m not mad and it shouldn’t really matter to you if I was anyway. Beyond the content of some of your posts, you’re adorable anyway.

Has anything about this been brought up with the new update coming?

Just wondering.

skiazo.4759:

IRSyKo.5843:

Calvin.5380:

TIMMEH.8106:

danelon.5147:

Wow lots of FA guilds are leaving no wonder their strength is dropping. Their coverage suck right now. Alot of guilds are leaving, some we have great fights with like [BT] & [VK] they leaving to Blackgate. I wonder who will defend their homeland now, all that is left is what [RET]?

For past couple of days they seem to be outman all the time even during their prime time. Perfect time to take all their stuff :p

Our destination is not set as of right now.

But why leave FA? I’m curious, but also selfish in asking this — BT is one of the best guilds we’ve come up against, and it’s always nice to fight them. If you leave this tier, it will not only impact FA, but also the other two servers. Why, BT, why? Aren’t you having fun here?

Not particularly

Hahahahahaha, That is all

NARF!!!!!!

i wanted to get in on the action…did i do it right?

Gellor.6497:

Hadan.2841:

So how long until we see DB offer to pay for BT’s transfers lol jp.

I*ll pay for yours!

to a different tier :P

Truga.5897:

Err, killing stragglers is a valid and excellent tactic. Especially during big fights, when people are respawning to rejoin, and you get to kill them like lemmings as they trickle one by one.

This too. The thief is actually doing you a favor in this case. You shouldn’t be running into a situation like defending a keep solo. You need to group up and work as a team. Honestly he probably saved you some time killing you before you could get back to the defensive position where you would have been killed anyways.

lawl, your 2.5k defense is lower than my thiefs. Get some toughness in your gear.

“I shouldn’t be able to be taken down in less than 20 seconds including my heal.”

a thief shouldn’t be able to survive a 20 second confrontation. If it goes that long he should be dead. l2p

Sista.1925:

OK….I guess further clarification is needed…..there is ONE member of [TVB] that wanted/suggested a to move to TC (previous member of your server)….

Im getting dizzy from all the spinning :P

BTW: about agg and bt, Both have really good, tight movement.

Hickeroar.9734:

Nice push by DB last night and this morning! Glad to see you guys are back in action!

Also: We had an absolute ball screwing around in EBG last night. Had a fireworks parade that a few [FIRE] members joined in on, farmed some enemy owned towers, killed wildlife, etc. :-P

I was there too throwing fireworks. I got killed by a fa guy while throwing fireworks at him. I stayed to watch you smash them and then you cried over my dead body. Great end to my night in eternal

Jayne.9251:

eithinan.9841:

snip

Just keep reminding the naysayers that you guys did indeed get to T2 on your own merit. I think people, in all this mudslinging, forget that sometimes.

As for transfers, eh let people screech. Not much they can do about it, can they?

Just be sure the “old guard” has the loudest voices, ok? Cos you guys are great.

kind words, thank you.

truthfully the new guys are not the monsters these forums are making them out to be.

Dhampyr.2104:

Arkanfel.8403:

For my part (and I think most of my guild agrees) I don’t really think DB is going to Tier 1 with her current coverage formula. Even if she did, it would probably take the better part of a month anyway. TC is a stronger server than a lot of people in DB have faced yet, and I don’t think that was fully realized after our first match in T2. TC makes a great gatekeeper to Tier 1.

This post makes me proud to be on TC – thanks for saying this. Wanted to also point out that FA does a heckuva good job in T2 as well. I wouldn’t say any single server is a T1 gatekeeper; each server in T2 kicks butt. T2’s current matchup is awesome, competitive, and fun, and any time you’re in a tier where any of the three servers can win (and have won!) the week… Well, I think we should all consider ourselves pretty lucky.

I dont think you appreciate how scarred the “old guard” was by TC when you came to t3. FA was bad but you were worse. No disrespect intended to FA.

Someone mentioned something about how Db never got to see how well we would have done without the transfers in T2. Considering we were bottom ppt during NA in T3 when our opponents mobilized hard, Im pretty sure I can imagine what would have happened. It would not have been pretty.

Both TC and FA whupped on us during NA prime when you were floating between t2-t3. This forged a lot of server pride when week after week, even though there was no real end in sight before sos collapsed, there were dedicated NA guilds out there fighting.

Truthfully I think FA and TC are looking a gift horse in the mouth when it comes to the server transfers to DB. The new guilds have made T2 the most competitive and most fun tier in WvW.

quiche

that is all.

Aurust.8961:

Mister Mustard.7203:

Niim.9260:

Arkanfel.8403:

Well if you look closely, I wasn’t actually talking to you at first. I was responding to a post that implied DB deserved no respect because the server was “bankrolling” its guilds. That’s not exactly what is going on, no one is actually being paid to come here.

‘Getting more people’ is never going to be a strategy folks will respect. Doesn’t matter if you are paying them or not and any success a server has after getting a bunch of transfers is tainted.

I don’t understand that philosophy.

If a server receives an influx of players, which puts them on par with the servers above them, why is that a bad thing?

If a sports team lands the high-price, big name free agent, are they then “tainted” because they didn’t do it with less talent?

If the game is about coverage, and someone decides to address that issue, why are they badmouthed for trying?

How would you feel if tier 1 players came into DB LA and started spamming recruitment messages to shore up their coverage?

Actually [DRGN] 1 upped this and spammed our bl’s with recruitment messages when we were against the server they were on when we were in t3.

Piogre.2164:

I didn’t even know you could invite enemies until I got an invite from “Jade Quarry Invader” in a jumping puzzle- he sent the invite to offer non-aggression when he saw me enter (which I accepted- I don’t kill people in jp’s).

Consider the situation if you want to avoid trash talk, but really, unless you’re fighting for your life, there’s really nothing to lose unless you’re very sensitive to verbal attacks.

Lol i tried to do this with someone i saw coming up behind me in the bl jp. i was at the top key waiting to port a few friends and i saw the oppponent jumping towards me. I invited him and he accepted. I then learned that offering a jump puzzle truce is hard when the person doesn’t speak a language i know :/

i think i got reported while being nice and offering safe passage too :*(

We had this problem in t2, 2 weeks ago on the red bl. other tiers have also experienced this.

Evalana.5480:

Doomdesire.9365:

Stars.8576:

2) Dragonbrand is climbing the ranks because of good players. You can have a full server and still lose a WvW match. Quality over Quanitity.

..You aren’t…serious, are you? The WvW score is coverage and coverage only. You can be as skilled as you want but as soon as you log off you lose everything. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that DB started rising as soon as they got transfers.

Dragonbrand (the ORIGINAL Dragonbrand) – got to T2 on their very own. They fought hard and deserved the glory of moving up. ..SNIP..

Thank you evalana. I remember you being with EA and the many hours you would put into owning hills and all that. You should take a bit of pride in how well Db has done helping pave the way to t2 while we were in t3-t5.

I think this is a fact often forgotten and really does a disservice to the amazing SEA prime time guilds who are on Dragonbrand as well as the formerly less populated timezones who fought as hard as they could against more powerful servers during those times.

to counterpoint my chest thumping about how great i am above :P

I once got wasted by a thief 3 times in a row. I invited him to my group and he accepted. he said “umadbro?” his buddy said “who is this?” I said “Im the guy your buddy just wasted 3 times, you’re pro dude” then I left the party.

It isn’t rude. but whether you win or lose you may want to accept the invite because you may get a cool discussion or gratz or something. I once had an underwater fight with someone for 10 minutes. They respawned and we battled atop center island. I got lucky on the island win. I went to the bottom of the stairs at garrison water gate and they came running down and stopped when they saw me.

I invited the person to my party 5+ times while standing there and he declined each one. All I wanted to say was “good fights”.

dandamanno.4136:

I guess the question is, are the maps designed to be stand alone, or are they meant to be one giant map separated only because the game can’t handle maps that are any larger than the current ones?

The “WvWar” that is going on is between 3 servers. Not between 3 servers on 4 maps. The upgrades to 1 map are strengths for the whole server and to take those strengths away will benefit you.

Map swapping for supply is a tactic. If you want to deprive your opponents of that tactic for their strategy then go take their keep.

I go with the saying “strategy is made out of tactics.” Also the commander is not going to tell you what his whole strategy is. That is very time consuming.

Selwynn.2758:

DB, there’s some old wisdom that you should really take to heart when it comes to [RE] — just remember if they’ve done it to others, one day they WILL do it to you.

isn’t this thread about omen?

loseros.5912:

I think this has already been suggested, but since I don’t find the post i start a new one.

A good way to balance and/or disencourage zerging, could be a debuff that triggers when more than X ppl are close enough.

For example: when 40 ppl are in a radius of 1200 range reduce their attack 200 points. Or something like that, that scales depending on the number of allies around you.

I think this would make more fair for the outnumbered people to be able to fight a larger group, since AoE has a 5 ppl cap and Anet stated is due to technical issues that they can’t increase that AoE cap, that “zerg debuff” should balance the fight between smaller and bigger goups without affecting fun for the big group. (they’re still more and can use more skills at the same time)

What i want to say with this is that is not fair that bringing more people gives you more dps just for the fact that the AoE cap is limited to 5, while if you reduce the attack of the bigger group, their total dps, even if you keep the 5 limit AoE, it balances and gives a chance to the smaller group, although the smaller group has still to kill more people and make more damage, the dps would be the same more or less.

What do you think?

I don’t think you understand what game balance is.

I also don’t think your suggestion would help anything except to make WvW become small roaming parties because there would be no one left to play.

Think about it for a second. You are part of a community who has worked hard to build coverage on a server with a 24 hour war game and the developers decide to negate any number advantage because the literal minority of the wvw players are too lazy to go out and try to build up that coverage. So instead of working hard and building you WvW community on your server you come complain on the forums about being outnumbered and offer a suggestion to make the game more “balanced” when in fact you are unbalancing the game mechanics because of your lack of coverage.

Wvw is coverage wars. simple as that. Get the coverage and you win,but you can also wipe larger forces with proper siege placement, coordination and skill. But learning these things offers little reward, and takes a bunch of effort. It’s probably easier to just go to the forums and beg the developers to nerf my enemies in the form of a balancing suggestion.

Welcome to DB

I hope you enjoy your stay so much you decide to make it your home. We ask you to wipe your feet off at the door to clean off any dust that may have built up on your trip.

Some of those bridges you have to walk over have local residents who may dirty those boots too…

Falassion.8031:

If you see a Thief near you (like in this case) use a Anti-Stealth trap. Problem solved :P

Jayne.9251:

Cough.

Lani was the one that was violently against this right? Perhaps she should have a chat with her server mates.

You can hit there with a wider FOV from multiple monitors or window adjustment and an Arrow cart to the right side of the door. with regards to the FOV thing please read this

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Arrow-Carts-can-hit-hard-to-reach-places/first#post2017966

This is a fact of life in GW2 so can we please as a community drop this whole topic?

The moderator https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Which-kind-of-zoom-is-intended/first#post2016524 said “The zoom Anet sees as legit is, of course, the game’s default zoom. Anything, any other tool or program that allows you to zoom further back, hence providing you with an advantage over other players, is not allowed and considered an exploit.”

Since increased FOV is legit from Anet with a multi monitor setup in windowed mode, there is nothing to be done about it. The teams who do use this are NOT exploiting or hacking or anything. People also use it on all servers. So pointing it out is dumb because it just devolves into a argument where both sides are wrong…

Lastly think of all the forum monitors. Think how much easier their job will be not having to remove and infract dumb server/guild assassination posts and haxxor posts. Do it for them…

I think a supply depot roof in a tower or keep should protect arrow carts from damage. But at the same time logic would have it that it wouldn’t be able to fire either due to the roof.

I would also think any structure with a roof couldn’t be hit inside by arrow carts and no Ac’s could fire out of them.

random thought on the AC issue

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Rangers-are-OP/first#post1738717

at least you didn’t run into this ranger.

Waffler.1257:

savints.6281:

I think the time it takes to stomp a player should be increased

savints.6281:

make stomping faster

Make up your mind already.

I cant get past the irony that “waffler” pointed this out. BWAHAHAHAHA

sparklevision.8109:

How long until Dragonbrand wtfpwnz their way to Tier 1 just like so many servers before them?

STAY TUNED

The nice thing about Db compared to other servers that guild’s joined up with, we were already on the cusp of T2. These new guilds have made Db competitive here in T2, where if they hadn’t come here we would have had a lot of trouble outside of SEA primetime. I remember the demolishing during NA prime we got in T3 when FA or TC would drop down. There have been some great fights in T2 and I hope we can stay here for a bit. (just wish this lag would settle down)

I hate having to zone into LA to kick someone from party who either doesn’t know or doesn’t care about this…

kylia.4813:

Coinin.2590:

Hey FA guys like Pickle, I spotted an FA dude hackin ontop of our TCBL gari about 45 min ago. Not saying anything against FA, just thought you guy’s could keep a heads up for him, he was running around like ontop the map of gari or something slowly taking out some siege. Failed to get a screenie, i was moving around trying to get a good shot and fell out the occulus on the roof to my death…as a necro =/ oppsie moment but if you guy’s could keep an eye out for him it would be fantastic

Will keep eye out for it!

I would like to say this is the way to report a hacker or exploiter and respond to it on the official forums matchup thread. No naming of guilds, no “you all hax”, just information. The majority of us do not like people who hack because it diminishes anything we, as a server, may accomplish. The only other thin I can think of is maybe with a gl or 2 from the commander community on the accused server sending a pm or whisper follow up.

classy.